Re: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/feb/19us.htm India [ Images ] may have taken giant strides in every possible sphere of life across the world, but there are things that come as real blot to its global image. Quoting a US Department of Homeland Security report, mercurynews reports that Indians are the fastest-growing group of illegal immigrants in the United States. The report says there are 2,70,000 unauthorized Indians in the United States - a 125 percent jump since 2000, the largest percentage increase of any nation with more than 100,000 illegal immigrants in that country. The report says though the number of Indian immigrants is low when compared to people from Mexico, the Indian context is appalling as the illegal immigrants mostly consist high-skilled workers. Illegal immigrants from other countries are mostly low-skilled workers. Mercurynews, in its report, also says if the trend continues India will only trail only Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala in illegal immigration. The report quoting experts says virtually all immigrants enter the US legally and then violate the visa terms, thus becomimg illegal immigrants. How do you get in? You come across the border, or you arrive here with a visa, Lindsay Lowell, policy director for the Institute for the Study of International Migration at Georgetown University told Mercurynews. Indians aren't going to be walking across the border like Mexicans, he said. Federal officials calculated the number of illegal immigrants by using census estimates of the total number of immigrants from individual countries, compiling the total number of legal immigrants using federal immigration and naturalization records, and then subtracting the number of legal residents from the total immigrant population to determine the number of undocumented people, the report said. Asked by Mercurynews about the number of illegal Indians in Silicon Valley, Banjit Singh, an Indian-born taxi driver, said, Here, there is a little bit. But you go to another city or state, like Los Angeles or New York, there are many illegal people. Local immigration lawyers say that particularly among Indians, the ups and downs of Silicon Valley's economy since 2001 are one reason why Indians have fallen out of legal status. Most are bachelors; the way they get here is they have a job, Gabriel Jack, a San Jose immigration lawyer, said of many of his Indian clients. They come here as professionals, most often in the H-1B program, and given the fluctuations of Silicon Valley, the business climate, these guys lose their jobs. They get laid off or they wager their hands on a start-up coming in, Jack said. The problem with the H-1B program is, you can't have any significant time between jobs without falling out of legal status. Indians made up 44 percent of H-1B applicants in the 2005-06 fiscal year, five times the number from second-place China, the report says. The report says another source is relatives from India who arrive for a visit on a tourist visa and never go home. America is a very attractive country; everybody who comes here wants to stay, said Shah Peerally, a Silicon Valley immigration lawyer. I can tell you right now, there are nearly 1 billion people in India, of which maybe 800 million want to come here. The United States deported close to 500 Indians a year in recent years, another expert tells Mecurynews. Unless Congress reforms the immigration system we are going to see this high-skilled, illegal workforce emerging, said Frank D. Bean, director of the Immigration Research Center at the University of California-Irvine. Uttam Kumar Borthakur ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi
Thanks Uttam for fwding this? Some quick questions? What do you think of this column? and Why the term 'Indian Bangladeshi' ? Do you mean to say that the term Bangladeshi is synonymous to, say, 'illegal' :-) On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:02 AM, uttam borthakur uttambortha...@yahoo.co.in wrote: http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/feb/19us.htm India [ Images ] may have taken giant strides in every possible sphere of life across the world, but there are things that come as real blot to its global image. Quoting a US Department of Homeland Security report, mercurynews reports that Indians are the fastest-growing group of illegal immigrants in the United States. The report says there are 2,70,000 unauthorized Indians in the United States - a 125 percent jump since 2000, the largest percentage increase of any nation with more than 100,000 illegal immigrants in that country. The report says though the number of Indian immigrants is low when compared to people from Mexico, the Indian context is appalling as the illegal immigrants mostly consist high-skilled workers. Illegal immigrants from other countries are mostly low-skilled workers. Mercurynews, in its report, also says if the trend continues India will only trail only Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala in illegal immigration. The report quoting experts says virtually all immigrants enter the US legally and then violate the visa terms, thus becomimg illegal immigrants. How do you get in? You come across the border, or you arrive here with a visa, Lindsay Lowell, policy director for the Institute for the Study of International Migration at Georgetown University told Mercurynews. Indians aren't going to be walking across the border like Mexicans, he said. Federal officials calculated the number of illegal immigrants by using census estimates of the total number of immigrants from individual countries, compiling the total number of legal immigrants using federal immigration and naturalization records, and then subtracting the number of legal residents from the total immigrant population to determine the number of undocumented people, the report said. Asked by Mercurynews about the number of illegal Indians in Silicon Valley, Banjit Singh, an Indian-born taxi driver, said, Here, there is a little bit. But you go to another city or state, like Los Angeles or New York, there are many illegal people. Local immigration lawyers say that particularly among Indians, the ups and downs of Silicon Valley's economy since 2001 are one reason why Indians have fallen out of legal status. Most are bachelors; the way they get here is they have a job, Gabriel Jack, a San Jose immigration lawyer, said of many of his Indian clients. They come here as professionals, most often in the H-1B program, and given the fluctuations of Silicon Valley, the business climate, these guys lose their jobs. They get laid off or they wager their hands on a start-up coming in, Jack said. The problem with the H-1B program is, you can't have any significant time between jobs without falling out of legal status. Indians made up 44 percent of H-1B applicants in the 2005-06 fiscal year, five times the number from second-place China, the report says. The report says another source is relatives from India who arrive for a visit on a tourist visa and never go home. America is a very attractive country; everybody who comes here wants to stay, said Shah Peerally, a Silicon Valley immigration lawyer. I can tell you right now, there are nearly 1 billion people in India, of which maybe 800 million want to come here. The United States deported close to 500 Indians a year in recent years, another expert tells Mecurynews. Unless Congress reforms the immigration system we are going to see this high-skilled, illegal workforce emerging, said Frank D. Bean, director of the Immigration Research Center at the University of California-Irvine. Uttam Kumar Borthakur ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi
Dear Ram Da: What I can think of it, apart from the fact that history of homo sapiens from Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus to present day is the history of migration. Only difference is that, at that time there was no national barriers. I love poems and the suggestive content thereof. So, I continued the old thread that suggests a problem keeping our mind busy. That's about it. Ram Sarangapani assamrs at gmail.com Mon Aug 23 17:49:27 IST 2010 Previous message: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Thanks Uttam for fwding this? Some quick questions? What do you think of this column? and Why the term 'Indian Bangladeshi' ? Do you mean to say that the term Bangladeshi is synonymous to, say, 'illegal' :-) Uttam Kumar Borthakur ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi
A good Post Uttamda! Thank You for sharing. Borders are not for poor and layman.This report once again proved it Immigrants are chipest labor worldwide. World wide capitalist use them and through out. . Here I'm forwarding a link which shows that already a movement is taking shape worldwide which want a borderless world. :http://www.noborder.org/ If all of us is Human being we do we need Borders? Sushanta Kar On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, uttam borthakur uttambortha...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Dear Ram Da: What I can think of it, apart from the fact that history of homo sapiens from Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus to present day is the history of migration. Only difference is that, at that time there was no national barriers. I love poems and the suggestive content thereof. So, I continued the old thread that suggests a problem keeping our mind busy. That's about it. Ram Sarangapani assamrs at gmail.com Mon Aug 23 17:49:27 IST 2010 Previous message: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Thanks Uttam for fwding this? Some quick questions? What do you think of this column? and Why the term 'Indian Bangladeshi' ? Do you mean to say that the term Bangladeshi is synonymous to, say, 'illegal' :-) Uttam Kumar Borthakur ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org -- Sushanta Kar সুশান্ত কর তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম আমার ব্লগগুলি: http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান' http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার থেকে মুক্তি দানের শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের প্রধান শিক্ষা রবীন্দ্রনাথ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi
Dear Uttam Sushanta, Lets analyze this a bit. It is a geographical truth that people from less developed areas will migrate to more developed areas (Refer C.E.M. Joad). It is also a fact of life that countries will have borders. In today's world, borders are meant to keep selected people out, and NOT meant to keep the locals in (like erstwhile East Germany/Soviet bloc). This idea of no world border is something that has taken some currency in the last few years. There are two sides to this: No borders for people/groups wanting to help others (like in a flood or earthquake) - where doctors without borders, medical/emergency/food aid should be able to go in without any obstacles. Foreign aid has been difficult to get into countries like Ethiopia and even in Pakistan. The other part is people wanting to immigrate into another country for bettering their lives. Countries will normally accept people who are needed, or on political, humanitarian grounds. Countries also assess how both legal and illegal immigration affects their own economy, resources etc. Today, a new dimension is added. There are those who will immigrate (legally and illegally ) to other countries, just to do them harm. Those who advocate for 'no world border' might want to go a step further. Why have individual homes or property? Why not socialize everything and make it all for everyone? How about languages culture? Why do we need to worry about such frivolities? The thing called 'Me', 'Mine', 'Myself' has a meaning to individualism. Normally, the world order today dictates that countries have borders, and countries will often go the extra step to help a fellow country when needed. Otherwise, countries will wind up like the proverbial Arab, who out of kindness, let his camel to keep is nose in the tent. Soon, of course, the camel was inside, and the Arab outside.:-) The question here is of the limits to immigration (both legal and illegal), and the tolerance limits of countries. The US, btw, is more welcoming, and has more liberal policy than India and many other countries. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Sushanta Kar pragyan.ts...@gmail.comwrote: A good Post Uttamda! Thank You for sharing. Borders are not for poor and layman.This report once again proved it Immigrants are chipest labor worldwide. World wide capitalist use them and through out. . Here I'm forwarding a link which shows that already a movement is taking shape worldwide which want a borderless world. :http://www.noborder.org/ If all of us is Human being we do we need Borders? Sushanta Kar On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, uttam borthakur uttambortha...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Dear Ram Da: What I can think of it, apart from the fact that history of homo sapiens from Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus to present day is the history of migration. Only difference is that, at that time there was no national barriers. I love poems and the suggestive content thereof. So, I continued the old thread that suggests a problem keeping our mind busy. That's about it. Ram Sarangapani assamrs at gmail.com Mon Aug 23 17:49:27 IST 2010 Previous message: [Assam] Indian Bangladeshi Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Thanks Uttam for fwding this? Some quick questions? What do you think of this column? and Why the term 'Indian Bangladeshi' ? Do you mean to say that the term Bangladeshi is synonymous to, say, 'illegal' :-) Uttam Kumar Borthakur ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org -- Sushanta Kar সুশান্ত কর তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম আমার ব্লগগুলি: http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান' http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার থেকে মুক্তি দানের শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের প্রধান শিক্ষা রবীন্দ্রনাথ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
