[Assam] New Book on Assam Forest History -The Hindu
For those interested, here is a new book titled 'Jungles, Reserves, Wildlife, A History of Forests in Assam' by Prof ArupJyoti Saikia, Cotton College. Follow the link to see some good photos and a write-up by Dr. MS Prabhakara. http://www.flonnet.com/fl2214/stories/20050715000207200.htm Vol:22 Iss:14 URL: http://www.flonnet.com/fl2214/stories/20050715000207200.htm From wood to jungle to forest M.S. PRABHAKARA Jungles, Reserves, Wildlife: A History of Forests in Assam by Arupjyoti Saikia; Wild Areas Development and Welfare Trust, Guwahati, 2005; pages 372, Rs.595. THE story that the author, who teaches history at the Cotton College in Guwahati, tells is not new. It is nevertheless worth telling again. This is because facts well known are not necessarily remembered, and the lessons from such facts are not necessarily learnt. So, while at times the narration might seem over-comprehensive to the point of the wood being lost for the trees, to use a metaphor apposite to the theme of the book, and the minutiae of its details may sometimes seem irrelevant and even incomprehensible insofar as the general reader is concerned, the story does hold one's attention. Put simply, the story is about how the jungle of pre-colonial times got transformed, one would even say transmogrified, via the mediation of colonial intervention, into the forest of modern days, with everything that the two terms imply. There is, undoubtedly, an element of wistful make-believe in this portrayal of the ancient wood, the archetype of all untamed vegetation that existed in harmony with its environment at the very beginning of plant and animal life on the earth, before jungles and forests, into the pristine jungle of romance and myth, raw and pure and possessing an elemental beauty and mystery and magic, all the qualities seen and ascribed by human beings who even in the earliest times were both awed by its mystery and drawn by its productive resources, to the wild jungle of pre-colonial India and in course of time to the more ordered and managed and profitable forest. The other, more solemn-sounding, objectives that the author sets for himself are to tell of the making of the modern forests of Assam and to frame out the problematic environmental history of the region. Fortunately, little is heard of such problematique postmodernist jargon after the opening pages. This innocence, if one may call it so, of the jungle of pre-colonial times is contrasted with the organisation of everything that followed colonial conquest and the incursion of new varieties of control inherent in the civil and military administration that followed that conquest: the surveys, the enactment of laws, regulations and rules; the commercial exploitation of the forest's wealth for the market whose aim was to preserve the forest to the extent of and in order to get the optimum out of the forests, the classic enlightened-self-interest-for-the-common-and-greater-good approach, the adverse impact that these policies had on the original inhabitants of the forests, human and animal, whose exploitation of their environment was for their own sustenance, not for accumulation of surplus for the market and the creation of wealth for personal enrichment. The book deals with all these subjects, and more. Organised under six chapters (not seven, as the author erroneously says on page 11) excluding the Introduction and After Words (sic) the story covers the period between 1874, when the territory of Assam came under direct colonial rule after being placed under a Chief Commissioner, and 1947. Technically, however, the cut-off point of the narration is 1950, the year of the great earthquake that had, in the author's words, a tremendous impact on the forest resources of Assam in maters of loss of forest coverage and depletion of forest landscape. The lack of conceptual precision made worse by prolixity of the passage cited is typical of much of the author's theoretical formulations - which, again fortunately, taper off after a while, though examples of such prolixity and repetition abound. Here is an example from the very opening pages where the author speaks of the ownership of the forest and the exploitation of its resources, especially timber and elephant: RITU RAJ KONWAR Inside the Manas National Park in Assam. Through a process that involved colonial intervention and subsequently administrative action, the ancient wood transformed itself into jungle and then forest, a term that indicates orderly management and profit. Quite often the Ahom kingdom is known to have paid tributes to the Mughal emperor in the form of large number of elephants as war indemnity (page 9). The elephant often turned out to be the saviour of royal prestige as it was often given as a gift in the case of defeat of Ahoms (page 10). THE story begins with an
Re: [Assam] New Book on Assam Forest History -The Hindu
C'da, But Prabhakara's own prolixity of the review is patience-taxing and patronizing. Could be, could be. Dr. MSP used to live across from us during those Jalukbari days. At that time, even as youngsters, I remember him to have been more of a jean-clad cynic than patronizing. The jeans threw us off - since the rest of the faculty were either suited to the hilt or some like some from the Sanskrit or Assamese depts wore the traditional dhuti-panjabi. Most were uppity, but some like Dr. Maheswar Neog for instance, could be seen around campus, with clean, white dhuti-panjabi, and always a nod and a smile for the campus youngsters. Incidently, in the early 70s, Dr. MSP discovered a mid-sized boat and other relics in his front yard, from the Ahom times (I think), perhaps earlier. Archeologists dug up the rest, put a shed over it, and it was promptly forgotten. I am sure nature must have reclaimed the find by now. --Ram On 7/26/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. But Prabhakara's own prolixity of the review is patience-taxing and patronizing. At 8:19 AM -0500 7/26/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: For those interested, here is a new book titled 'Jungles, Reserves, Wildlife, A History of Forests in Assam' by Prof ArupJyoti Saikia, Cotton College. Follow the link to see some good photos and a write-up by Dr. MS Prabhakara. http://www.flonnet.com/fl2214/stories/20050715000207200.htm Vol:22 Iss:14 URL: http://www.flonnet.com/fl2214/stories/20050715000207200.htm From wood to jungle to forest M.S. PRABHAKARA Jungles, Reserves, Wildlife: A History of Forests in Assam by Arupjyoti Saikia; Wild Areas Development and Welfare Trust, Guwahati, 2005; pages 372, Rs.595. THE story that the author, who teaches history at the Cotton College in Guwahati, tells is not new. It is nevertheless worth telling again. This is because facts well known are not necessarily remembered, and the lessons from such facts are not necessarily learnt. So, while at times the narration might seem over-comprehensive to the point of the wood being lost for the trees, to use a metaphor apposite to the theme of the book, and the minutiae of its details may sometimes seem irrelevant and even incomprehensible insofar as the general reader is concerned, the story does hold one's attention. Put simply, the story is about how the jungle of pre-colonial times got transformed, one would even say transmogrified, via the mediation of colonial intervention, into the forest of modern days, with everything that the two terms imply. There is, undoubtedly, an element of wistful make-believe in this portrayal of the ancient wood, the archetype of all untamed vegetation that existed in harmony with its environment at the very beginning of plant and animal life on the earth, before jungles and forests, into the pristine jungle of romance and myth, raw and pure and possessing an elemental beauty and mystery and magic, all the qualities seen and ascribed by human beings who even in the earliest times were both awed by its mystery and drawn by its productive resources, to the wild jungle of pre-colonial India and in course of time to the more ordered and managed and profitable forest. The other, more solemn-sounding, objectives that the author sets for himself are to tell of the making of the modern forests of Assam and to frame out the problematic environmental history of the region. Fortunately, little is heard of such problematique postmodernist jargon after the opening pages. This innocence, if one may call it so, of the jungle of pre-colonial times is contrasted with the organisation of everything that followed colonial conquest and the incursion of new varieties of control inherent in the civil and military administration that followed that conquest: the surveys, the enactment of laws, regulations and rules; the commercial exploitation of the forest's wealth for the market whose aim was to preserve the forest to the extent of and in order to get the optimum out of the forests, the classic enlightened-self-interest-for-the-common-and-greater-good approach, the adverse impact that these policies had on the original inhabitants of the forests, human and animal, whose exploitation of their environment was for their own sustenance, not for accumulation of surplus for the market and the creation of wealth for personal enrichment. The book deals with all these subjects, and more. Organised under six chapters (not seven, as the author erroneously says on page 11) excluding the Introduction and After Words (sic) the story covers the period between 1874, when the territory of Assam came under direct colonial rule after being placed under a Chief Commissioner, and 1947. Technically, however, the cut-off point of
Re: [Assam] Truth?? police encounter shooting in UK metro
It is easy to jump to conclusions, but is wrong. !!! Obviously !! Probably all of us know that. In fairness to British undercover agents, they watched the residents of the address. But they did not know, that there were more than the suspects living in that address--it was a housing complex. They had no idea that a Brazilian family lived in the same building too. !!! Hey C'da , let's not just jump into conclusions just like that. Ends justify means but not neccessarily at the cost of humane lives. We are not entitled to snub out lives based on mere suspicions. After 7/7 or 9/11 , the bottomline is '' eVERY MORTAL is innocent till pronounced guilty Regards Jayanta --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is easy to jump to conclusions, but is wrong. In fairness to British undercover agents, they watched the residents of the address. But they did not know, that there were more than the suspects living in that address--it was a housing complex. They had no idea that a Brazilian family lived in the same building too. At 5:39 PM -0500 7/25/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Did they really observe him? I don't think so. Had they done so -- they would have realized that he is a Brazilian -- so has no connection with bombings. I think you are right. With all their 'watching', it looks like they not doing a great job. If looks more and more as if they were just watching the station and singling out South Asians. --Ram da On 7/25/05, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still wondering whether the policemen in plainclothes are really telling the truth. Initially it was mentioned that they had been observing the guy for a few days before they entered his house and he ran. Now they are saying that that he is a Brazilian who had NO connection with the terrorist. -- So why where they observing him? Did they really observe him? I don't think so. Had they done so -- they would have realized that he is a Brazilian -- so has no connection with bombings. I think they never really chased him to the train station They were just watching people inside the metro station - in their plain clothes. Saw this brown skinned guy entering the train in a thick coat. They called out to him - he didn't respond -- so they panicked (and also became angry.) They killed him in cold blood -- thinking him to be a South Asian. Had he really been a muslim or a South Asian -- noone would ever have doubted their story that they had really been observing him iun his house. Why don't they give proof ? Why don't they show the metro station video - in which he is shown running inside the station -- and the police are chasing him? Every metro station has video cameras at their entrance and corridors. They never really chased him insde the station. They had suspicion and just killed him -- or else show proof! Now I understand why British police is accused of racism by all minority residents . Doesn't such a scenario happen in Assam or Manipur? Umesh Rini Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How important these police officers are -- when it comes to the suicide bomber threat we face today, these people are the gatekeepers between us and the people trying to kill us. So it is vital these highly trained professionals have the confidence of their bosses and the ordinary public. If they don't have that, it might lead them to hesitate -- that split second could be the difference between life and death for hundreds of people. The Brazilian was quite simply in the wrong place, doing totally the wrong thing at the wrong time. Yet why he made a run for it, despite challenges from police to stop, remains to be explained. Every one will understand the awful dilemma faced by the armed officer. To hold fire and risk more bloodshed, or shoot to kill. Rini Kakati _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Can't remember an address in your address book? Enter the first few letters and Address AutoComplete will automatically finish it. Get Yahoo! Mail ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change
[Assam] Re: Truth?? police encounter shooting in UK metro
Rini-ji, I wonder this support you extend to the army men deployed in North East India and Kashmir also. I realize that you being based at UK do feel strongly in support of British police -- and speak against the Human Rights groups. Do you also support the rape and killing of Manorama Devi of Manipur in July 2004 - allegedlyby Indian armymen-- that they too are humans and can make mistakes and that Human Rights groups are stupid? Umesh -- Rini-ji wrote: The so called Human rights, countries Legal Aid system -- Liberal lawyers, all must be rubbing their hands in glee as they begin to sharpening their pens ready to dash off the writs. Firearms are tragically, part and parcel of modern criminal society and our policemen must be equipped to deal with them. They are patrolling London's streets today. Knowing they could be called on fire their weapons at any moment, hoping against hope their target is a terrorist and not an electrician.Rini Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no doubt that this is an absolute tragedy. Have you made a mistake at work recently. I did. In fact I do it all the time, little judgements calls that go wrong. Spare a thought then for the policemen responsible for the shooting of Brazilian Electrician. But while most of us can walk away from our mistakes relatively unscathed, those involved now can expect to be charged, face loosing their jobs and even going to jail. But to me -- it is exactly this kind of nonsense that cannot be allowed to happen. The so called Human rights, countries Legal Aid system -- Liberal lawyers, all must be rubbing their hands in glee as they begin to sharpening their pens ready to dash off the writs. Firearms are tragically, part and parcel of modern criminal society and our policemen must be equipped to deal with them. They are patrolling London's streets today. Knowing they could be called on fire their weapons at any moment, hoping against hope their target is a terrorist and not an electrician. Of course the security services have to be accountable. But make no mistake, we are at war here. Not since the Second World War has London been under such sustained attack. Those loonies are still on the lose desperate to blow themselves up and take as many Londoners with them as possible. If any one of them come any where near me while I am at the tube or bus, I want to know that an armed policeman will not hesitate to shoot. I don't want images of internal inquires, sackings and courtrooms flashing through his mind. If we are to ask them to be responsible for our security we must be prepared to take the consequences, when things inevitably go wrong. Every politician in this country needs to have the conviction to get behind our policemen at this crucial time or we may as well surrender to the terrorists now. It turn out the Brazilian shot by police on the tube was almost certainly in the country illegally. His immigration status would explain why he ran away from police, and ignored repeated requests to surrender. The Brazilian must have been aware of the heightened tension in London. So his behaviour was not only suspicious it was suicidally reckless. It obviously does not justify him being killed. But he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and undoubtedly contributed to his own death, tragic as it was. No doubt there will be an explanation in due course. All of this is supposition, but there can be no arguing with the fact that, had he obeyed the police he would still have been alive. Predictably, some of our Asian community leaders have been quick to complain about racial profiling by police. But since all suicide bombers in London have been young Muslim men with dark skins, who are Scotland Yard expected to target -- Scandinavians, Seventh-Day Adventists ? Mr. de Menezes was Brazilian, but he did not have a physical resemblance to the bombers. It is an unfortunate consequence of the Islamist terror campaign that decent Muslims and other young men with dusky skin will come under suspicion. Unfortunately we are just going to live with it -- just as genuine white men were singled out for body search on their way into football grounds because of the behaviour of a hooligan minority. Rini Kakati Now you can search and browse smarter using the new MSN Search Toolbar including Windows Desktop Search! Can't remember an address in your address book? Enter the first few letters and Address AutoComplete will automatically finish it. Get Yahoo! Mail___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] Re: Truth?? police encounter shooting in UK metro
Rini-ji, I wonder this support you extend to the army men deployed in North East India and Kashmir also. I realize that you being based at UK do feel strongly in support of British police -- and speak against the Human Rights groups. Do you also support the rape and killing of Manorama Devi of Manipur in July 2004 - allegedlyby Indian armymen-- that they too are humans and can make mistakes and that Human Rights groups are stupid? Umesh -- Rini-ji wrote: The so called Human rights, countries Legal Aid system -- Liberal lawyers, all must be rubbing their hands in glee as they begin to sharpening their pens ready to dash off the writs. Firearms are tragically, part and parcel of modern criminal society and our policemen must be equipped to deal with them. They are patrolling London's streets today. Knowing they could be called on fire their weapons at any moment, hoping against hope their target is a terrorist and not an electrician.Rini Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no doubt that this is an absolute tragedy. Have you made a mistake at work recently. I did. In fact I do it all the time, little judgements calls that go wrong. Spare a thought then for the policemen responsible for the shooting of Brazilian Electrician. But while most of us can walk away from our mistakes relatively unscathed, those involved now can expect to be charged, face loosing their jobs and even going to jail. But to me -- it is exactly this kind of nonsense that cannot be allowed to happen. The so called Human rights, countries Legal Aid system -- Liberal lawyers, all must be rubbing their hands in glee as they begin to sharpening their pens ready to dash off the writs. Firearms are tragically, part and parcel of modern criminal society and our policemen must be equipped to deal with them. They are patrolling London's streets today. Knowing they could be called on fire their weapons at any moment, hoping against hope their target is a terrorist and not an electrician. Of course the security services have to be accountable. But make no mistake, we are at war here. Not since the Second World War has London been under such sustained attack. Those loonies are still on the lose desperate to blow themselves up and take as many Londoners with them as possible. If any one of them come any where near me while I am at the tube or bus, I want to know that an armed policeman will not hesitate to shoot. I don't want images of internal inquires, sackings and courtrooms flashing through his mind. If we are to ask them to be responsible for our security we must be prepared to take the consequences, when things inevitably go wrong. Every politician in this country needs to have the conviction to get behind our policemen at this crucial time or we may as well surrender to the terrorists now. It turn out the Brazilian shot by police on the tube was almost certainly in the country illegally. His immigration status would explain why he ran away from police, and ignored repeated requests to surrender. The Brazilian must have been aware of the heightened tension in London. So his behaviour was not only suspicious it was suicidally reckless. It obviously does not justify him being killed. But he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and undoubtedly contributed to his own death, tragic as it was. No doubt there will be an explanation in due course. All of this is supposition, but there can be no arguing with the fact that, had he obeyed the police he would still have been alive. Predictably, some of our Asian community leaders have been quick to complain about racial profiling by police. But since all suicide bombers in London have been young Muslim men with dark skins, who are Scotland Yard expected to target -- Scandinavians, Seventh-Day Adventists ? Mr. de Menezes was Brazilian, but he did not have a physical resemblance to the bombers. It is an unfortunate consequence of the Islamist terror campaign that decent Muslims and other young men with dusky skin will come under suspicion. Unfortunately we are just going to live with it -- just as genuine white men were singled out for body search on their way into football grounds because of the behaviour of a hooligan minority. Rini Kakati Now you can search and browse smarter using the new MSN Search Toolbar including Windows Desktop Search! Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! Get Yahoo! Mail___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] UK or Assam - shoot to kill - a license to kill ?
Aren't the police required to lay their lives --before they go about taking civilians lives. I still remember General Dyer who ordered 1500 unarmed civilians killed in Jalianwalan Bagh in Punjab - when British ruled in India. Brazilian killing and protests in UK , Brazil etc http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/jul/26ukblast1.htm Pakistani or South Asian in UK - who deserves it http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/jul/26flip.htm Brazilian was there legally http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/jul/26ukblast.htm How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] why South Asians and Brazilians wear heavy coats in UK, USA etc
Hi, I just saw the weather in London for this week - max. = 25 degree Celcius ( 75 F) -- which is less than the day temp. in cold winter weather in most of India or any tropical country - including Brazil. http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0008 Till June I was wearing woolen coats and wind proof jackets in Boston - even as local girls roamed around in shorts and tank tops. Even now - when US weather pundits are crying HOT HOT weather - at about 100 F ( 39 degree Celcius) it is still just about the end of Spring weather in most of India - in April. Phoenix - in US where the temp rose to 112 F ( 44 Celcius) --and scroes of people died with heat stroke -- is just about the high average temp in Jaipur . The highest in North India goes to about 120 F ( 49 Celcius) in Churu , Rajasthan and in Saharan countries to about 130 F (55 Celcius). So - when the police in UK or USA go looking for heavy coat wearing young men --- they are NOT trained to distinguish between one who is wearing the coat -- becos he really feeels the cold. 75 F ( 25 Celcius) is really cold!! International terrorism makes things more complicated than the home grown variety in Assam or North Ireland. Am I wrong? Umesh How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] Re: Truth?? police encounter shooting in UK metro
Umesh I wonder this support you extend to the army men deployed in North East India and Kashmir also. I realize that you being based at UK do feel strongly in support of British police -- and speak against the Human Rights groups. Do you also support the rape and killing of Manorama Devi of Manipur in July 2004 - allegedly by Indian armymen-- that they too are humans and can make mistakes and that Human Rights groups are stupid? This is not a logical question and totally unfair. Just because someone supports the British cops does not mean they are giving tacit approval to the attackers of Manorama. In the case of the British cops, the decision was to be made in a split second. A error in judgement can be made. I don't think that was the case in the rape of Manorama. It was probably planned, and carried out by jawans who have such proclivities. They are apples oranges. RK and C'da have categorically said that this is a tradegy. London: The errant officers mau pay the price (thrown of the jobs etc), but the real culprit is the British policy of 'shoot-to-kill' and their sluething . Add to that the inexperience of the officers in firearms. The shoot-to-kill policy is defended on the grounds that a sucide bomber would be carrying explosives on his chest/back, so the suspect should be shot in the head. The Brazillian was shot 8 times from reports (7 to his head, and 1 to the shoulder). --An overkill one could aptly say. Assam/Kashmir: Inspite of the horrors of Manorama Devi or other attrocities, the Indian Govt. does not have a policy of 'shoot-to-kill'. Moreover, Britain is supposedly a paragon of standards, efficiencies, Human rights and secularism. How do you compare British inefficiencies with Indian inefficiencies? IMHO, the officers did what was expected of them under the circumstances - to follow guidelines. Just like Abu Graibh. In the end, the culprit is the faulty guideline, and not so much the officers following them. In the Manoram case, did the jawans go scott-free? Was there a policy in the Indian Govt. that jawans are allowed to rape and pillage? --Ram da On 7/26/05, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rini-ji, I wonder this support you extend to the army men deployed in North East India and Kashmir also. I realize that you being based at UK do feel strongly in support of British police -- and speak against the Human Rights groups. Do you also support the rape and killing of Manorama Devi of Manipur in July 2004 - allegedly by Indian armymen-- that they too are humans and can make mistakes and that Human Rights groups are stupid? Umesh -- Rini-ji wrote: The so called Human rights, countries Legal Aid system -- Liberal lawyers, all must be rubbing their hands in glee as they begin to sharpening their pens ready to dash off the writs. Firearms are tragically, part and parcel of modern criminal society and our policemen must be equipped to deal with them. They are patrolling London's streets today. Knowing they could be called on fire their weapons at any moment, hoping against hope their target is a terrorist and not an electrician. Rini Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no doubt that this is an absolute tragedy. Have you made a mistake at work recently. I did. In fact I do it all the time, little judgements calls that go wrong. Spare a thought then for the policemen responsible for the shooting of Brazilian Electrician. But while most of us can walk away from our mistakes relatively unscathed, those involved now can expect to be charged, face loosing their jobs and even going to jail. But to me -- it is exactly this kind of nonsense that cannot be allowed to happen. The so called Human rights, countries Legal Aid system -- Liberal lawyers, all must be rubbing their hands in glee as they begin to sharpening their pens ready to dash off the writs. Firearms are tragically, part and parcel of modern criminal society and our policemen must be equipped to deal with them. They are patrolling London's streets today. Knowing they could be called on fire their weapons at any moment, hoping against hope their target is a terrorist and not an electrician. Of course the security services have to be accountable. But make no mistake, we are at war here. Not since the Second World War has London been under such sustained attack. Those loonies are still on the lose desperate to blow themselves up and take as many Londoners with them as possible. If any one of them come any where near me while I am at the tube or bus, I want to know that an armed policeman will not hesitate to shoot. I don't want images of internal inquires, sackings and courtrooms flashing through his mind. If we are to ask them to be responsible for our security we must be prepared to take the consequences, when things inevitably go wrong. Every politician in
Re: [Assam] Re: Truth?? police encounter shooting in UK metro - Manorama Devi
Ram-da, I think Indian amry did initiate an inquiry in Manorama Devi case after local outcry -- but I remember the Central Congress Ministers labelling it later - as a case where females became naked in public in Manipur and alleged that one of them was raped later. I do not know what is happening now about the inquiry. Umesh Ram-da wrote: In the Manoram case, did the jawans go scott-free? Was there a policyin the Indian Govt. that jawans are allowed to rape and pillage?Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh I wonder this support you extend to the army men deployed in North East India and Kashmir also. I realize that you being based at UK do feel strongly in support of British police -- and speak against the Human Rights groups. Do you also support the rape and killing of Manorama Devi of Manipur in July 2004 - allegedly by Indian armymen-- that they too are humans and can make mistakes and that Human Rights groups are stupid?This is not a logical question and totally unfair. Just becausesomeone supports the British cops does not mean they are giving tacitapproval to the attackers of Manorama.In the case of the British cops, the decision was to be made in a split second. A error in judgement can be made. I don't think that was the case inthe rape of Manorama. It was probably ! planned, and carried out byjawans who have such proclivities.They are apples oranges.RK and C'da have categorically said that this is a tradegy.London: The errant officers mau pay the price (thrown of the jobsetc), but the real culprit is the British policy of 'shoot-to-kill'and their sluething . Add to that the inexperience of the officers infirearms. The shoot-to-kill policy is defended on the grounds that asucide bomber would be carrying explosives on his chest/back, so thesuspect should be shot in the head. The Brazillian was shot 8 timesfrom reports (7 to his head, and 1 to the shoulder).--An overkill one could aptly say.Assam/Kashmir: Inspite of the horrors of Manorama Devi or otherattrocities, the Indian Govt. does not have a policy of'shoot-to-kill'. Moreover, Britain is supposedly a paragon ofstandards, efficiencies, Human rights and secularism. How do youcompare British inefficiencies wit! h Indian inefficiencies?IMHO, the officers did what was expected of them under thecircumstances - to follow guidelines. Just like Abu Graibh. In theend, the culprit is the faulty guideline, and not so much the officersfollowing them.In the Manoram case, did the jawans go scott-free? Was there a policyin the Indian Govt. that jawans are allowed to rape and pillage?--Ram daOn 7/26/05, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Rini-ji, I wonder this support you extend to the army men deployed in North East India and Kashmir also. I realize that you being based at UK do feel strongly in support of British police -- and speak against the Human Rights groups. Do you also support the rape and killing of Manorama Devi of Manipur in July 2004 - allegedly by Indian armymen-- that they too are humans and can make mistakes and that Human Rights groups ! are stupid? Umesh -- Rini-ji wrote: The so called Human rights, countries Legal Aid system -- Liberal lawyers, all must be rubbing their hands in glee as they begin to sharpening their pens ready to dash off the writs.Firearms are tragically, part and parcel of modern criminal society and our policemen must be equipped to deal with them. They are patrolling London's streets today. Knowing they could be called on fire their weapons at any moment, hoping against hope their target is a terrorist and not an electrician. Rini Kakati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: There is no doubt that this is an absolute tragedy. Have you made a mistake at work recently. I did. In fact I do it all the time, little judgements calls that go wrong. Spare a thought then fo! r the policemen responsible for the shooting of Brazilian Electrician.But while most of us can walk away from our mistakes relatively unscathed, those involved now can expect to be charged, face loosing their jobs and even going to jail. But to me -- it is exactly this kind of nonsense that cannot be allowed to happen. The so called Human rights, countries Legal Aid system -- Liberal lawyers, all must be rubbing their hands in glee as they begin to sharpening their pens ready to dash off the writs.Firearms are tragically, part and parcel of modern criminal society and our policemen must be equipped to deal with them. They are patrolling London's streets today. Knowing they could be called on fire their weapons at any moment, hoping against hope their target is a terrorist and not an electrician.Of course the ! security services have to be accountable. But make no mistake, we are at war here. Not since the Second World War has London been under such sustained attack. Those loonies are still on the lose desperate to blow themselves up
[Assam] NYTimes.com: Yoga in the Morning, Cooking in the Afternoon
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[Assam] Difference between a baptist and a catholic
Hope you guys like this one. A young boy was walking down a dirt road after church one Sundayafternoon when he came to a crossroads where he met a little girl comingfrom the other direction.-"Hello," said the little boy."Hi," replied the little girl."Where are you going?" asked the boy."I've been to church this morning and I'm on my way home," answered thegirl. "Me too," replied the little boy. "I'm also on my way home fromchurch."-"Which church do you go to?" asked the boy."I go to the Baptist church back down the road," replied the littlegirl. "What about you?" "I go to the Catholic church back at the top ofthe hill," replied the boy. They are both going the same way so theywalk together.-They came to a low spot in the road where spring rains had partiallyflooded the road so there was no way that they could get across to theother side without getting wet.-"If I get my new Sunday ! dress wet my Mom's going to skin me alive," saidthe little girl. "My Mom'll tan my hide too if I get my new Sunday suitwet," replied the little boy.-"I tell you what I think I'll do," said the girl. "I'm gonna pull offall my clothes and hold them over my head and wade across."-"That's a good idea," replied the boy. "I'm going to do the same with mysuit." So they both undressed and waded across to the other side withoutgetting their clothes wet.-They were standing there in the sun waiting to drip dry before puttingtheir clothes back on when the boy, who had been visually appraising hisnew friend, finally remarked,-"You know, I never did realize before just how much difference therereally is between a Baptist and a Catholic."Irish Warlock___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam