Re: ASSEMBLER-LIST Digest - 18 May 2015 to 20 May 2015 (#2015-59)

[John Walker]

HPR?  XIO?  I looked these up on our mainframe and I don't see them as valid 
instructions.  Are these obsoleted?

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Re: Debuggers

[Blaicher, Christopher Y.]

Cole Software's XDC product.  It does everything I have ever needed.  It is 
like debugging with an assembler listing on your screen.

I think it is best of breed.

Chris Blaicher
Technical Architect
Software Development
Syncsort Incorporated
50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
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Subject: Debuggers

What debug tool are you using for debugging your assembler programs?

We use SmartTest from ASG, but management got a bit nervous when ASG announced 
their financial problems.
We are happy with SmartTest, but it’s always good to know what others are using.

Regards,
Mikael Nyström
Core Systems
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Re: Debuggers

[Gary Weinhold]

Ditto from us.

Gary Weinhold
Data Kinetics, Ltd.

On 2015-05-21 09:44, Capps, Joey wrote:

Agreed.  Fantastic product.

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Subject: Re: Debuggers

Cole Software's XDC product.  It does everything I have ever needed.  It is 
like debugging with an assembler listing on your screen.

I think it is best of breed.

Chris Blaicher
Technical Architect
Software Development
Syncsort Incorporated
50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
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Subject: Debuggers

What debug tool are you using for debugging your assembler programs?

We use SmartTest from ASG, but management got a bit nervous when ASG announced 
their financial problems.
We are happy with SmartTest, but it’s always good to know what others are using.

Regards,
Mikael Nyström
Core Systems
SEB
Group IT
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Re: Debuggers

[Capps, Joey]

Agreed.  Fantastic product.

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Behalf Of Blaicher, Christopher Y.
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:15 AM
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Subject: Re: Debuggers

Cole Software's XDC product.  It does everything I have ever needed.  It is 
like debugging with an assembler listing on your screen.

I think it is best of breed.

Chris Blaicher
Technical Architect
Software Development
Syncsort Incorporated
50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
P: 201-930-8234  |  M: 512-627-3803    
E: cblaic...@syncsort.com

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Behalf Of mikael.nyst...@seb.se
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:14 AM
To: MVS List Server 2
Subject: Debuggers

What debug tool are you using for debugging your assembler programs?

We use SmartTest from ASG, but management got a bit nervous when ASG announced 
their financial problems.
We are happy with SmartTest, but it’s always good to know what others are using.

Regards,
Mikael Nyström
Core Systems
SEB
Group IT
Switchboard: +46 8 639 10 00
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Re: ASSEMBLER-LIST Digest - 18 May 2015 to 20 May 2015 (#2015-59)

[Michael Harding]

The OP said he was working with code for a model 20.  That was only barely
a true S360 and had a few instructions peculiar to it.

--
Mike Harding
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IBM Mainframe Assembler List  wrote on
05/21/2015 06:13:18 AM:

> From: John Walker <00c645a0d640-dmarc-requ...@listserv.uga.edu>
> To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Date: 05/21/2015 06:18 AM
> Subject: Re: ASSEMBLER-LIST Digest - 18 May 2015 to 20 May 2015
(#2015-59)
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Assembler List 
>
> HPR?  XIO?  I looked these up on our mainframe and I don't see them
> as valid instructions.  Are these obsoleted?
> 

Re: Debuggers

[Farley, Peter x23353]

I'll add our vote for z/XDC.  Nothing else comes close for batch assembler.

From significant experience at a previous employer I can also recommend the 
Advanced Debugging System (ADS) for CICS as best-of-breed in the CICS assembler 
arena.

http://www.debugcics.com/

Peter

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On 
Behalf Of Gary Weinhold
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:49 AM
To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: Debuggers

Ditto from us.

Gary Weinhold
Data Kinetics, Ltd.

On 2015-05-21 09:44, Capps, Joey wrote:
> Agreed.  Fantastic product.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Blaicher, Christopher Y.
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:15 AM
> To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Debuggers
>
> Cole Software's XDC product.  It does everything I have ever needed.  It is 
> like debugging with an assembler listing on your screen.
>
> I think it is best of breed.
>
> Chris Blaicher
> Technical Architect
> Software Development
> Syncsort Incorporated
> 50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
> P: 201-930-8234  |  M: 512-627-3803
> E: cblaic...@syncsort.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of mikael.nyst...@seb.se
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:14 AM
> To: MVS List Server 2
> Subject: Debuggers
>
> What debug tool are you using for debugging your assembler programs?
>
> We use SmartTest from ASG, but management got a bit nervous when ASG 
> announced their financial problems.
> We are happy with SmartTest, but it’s always good to know what others are 
> using.
>
> Regards,
> Mikael Nyström
--


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Re: Debuggers

[David Cole]

For what it's worth, in exchange for some CICS help with z/XDC, we 
are helping Gary Bergman with resources to upgrade his ADS product as well.


Dave Cole






At 5/21/2015 11:52 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:

I'll add our vote for z/XDC.  Nothing else comes close for batch assembler.
From significant experience at a previous employer I can also 
recommend the Advanced Debugging System (ADS) for CICS as 
best-of-breed in the CICS assembler arena.


http://www.debugcics.com/
Peter




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Re: Debuggers

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Great news, Dave!  Thanks for the update, and please give my best regards to 
Gary.  He was a tremendous asset to me more than once, and more knowledgeable 
about CICS internals than anyone with whom I have ever had the pleasure to work.

Peter

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On 
Behalf Of David Cole
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM
To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: Debuggers

For what it's worth, in exchange for some CICS help with z/XDC, we 
are helping Gary Bergman with resources to upgrade his ADS product as well.

Dave Cole



At 5/21/2015 11:52 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
>I'll add our vote for z/XDC.  Nothing else comes close for batch assembler.
> From significant experience at a previous employer I can also 
> recommend the Advanced Debugging System (ADS) for CICS as 
> best-of-breed in the CICS assembler arena.
>
>http://www.debugcics.com/
>Peter
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unusual instructions

[glen herrmannsfeldt]

  "The OP said he was working with code for a model 20."
   That was only barely a true S360 and had a few 
   instructions peculiar to it."

Yes. XIO is the I/O instruction that reads or writes.
Like other 360's, I/O is asynchronous. You have to test
(with TIOB) to see if it is done yet.

With 8K core, half the core is available without a base register.
As I understand it, many were only 4K. 

It does have some fairly complex instructions, such as DP, ED, and TR,
and leaves out some simple ones like L and LR.

Registers are 16 bits, so LH, AH, SH, CH, and STH are there.
AR and SR, but not most of the other RR instructions.
PACK, UNPK, MVO, ZAP, AP, SP, CP, MP, DP so full decimal arithmetic.
MVI, MVN, MVZ, CLI, MVC, CLC, NI, OI, ED, BR, B, BASR, BAS.

and then the model 20 specific: XIO, TIOB, HPR, SPSW.

-- glen

Re: Debuggers

[David Cole]

Will do, Peter.

And to all the rest of you, thank you so much for your kinds words 
about z/XDC. I am gratified that our product has found such strong 
acceptance within our community.


Best,
Dave Cole






At 5/21/2015 01:45 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
Great news, Dave!  Thanks for the update, and please give my best 
regards to Gary.  He was a tremendous asset to me more than once, 
and more knowledgeable about CICS internals than anyone with whom I 
have ever had the pleasure to work.


Peter

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List 
[mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole

Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM
To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: Debuggers

For what it's worth, in exchange for some CICS help with z/XDC, we
are helping Gary Bergman with resources to upgrade his ADS product as well.

Dave Cole



At 5/21/2015 11:52 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
>I'll add our vote for z/XDC.  Nothing else comes close for batch assembler.
> From significant experience at a previous employer I can also
> recommend the Advanced Debugging System (ADS) for CICS as
> best-of-breed in the CICS assembler arena.
>
>http://www.debugcics.com/
>Peter
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Re: unusual instructions

[Abe Kornelis]

Glen,

do you have any information available on these 360/20 specific instructions?

I would like to use the info to update the instruction lists and charts
on hlasm.com.
Also, if time permits, I might add support for these instructions  in z390.

Cheers,
Abe Kornelis
==


glen herrmannsfeldt schreef op 21-5-2015 om 19:44:
>   "The OP said he was working with code for a model 20."
>That was only barely a true S360 and had a few 
>instructions peculiar to it."
>
> Yes. XIO is the I/O instruction that reads or writes.
> Like other 360's, I/O is asynchronous. You have to test
> (with TIOB) to see if it is done yet.
>
> With 8K core, half the core is available without a base register.
> As I understand it, many were only 4K. 
>
> It does have some fairly complex instructions, such as DP, ED, and TR,
> and leaves out some simple ones like L and LR.
>
> Registers are 16 bits, so LH, AH, SH, CH, and STH are there.
> AR and SR, but not most of the other RR instructions.
> PACK, UNPK, MVO, ZAP, AP, SP, CP, MP, DP so full decimal arithmetic.
> MVI, MVN, MVZ, CLI, MVC, CLC, NI, OI, ED, BR, B, BASR, BAS.
>
> and then the model 20 specific: XIO, TIOB, HPR, SPSW.
>
> -- glen
>

Re: unusual instructions

[John McKown]

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Abe Kornelis  wrote:

> Glen,
>
> do you have any information available on these 360/20 specific
> instructions?
>
> I would like to use the info to update the instruction lists and charts
> on hlasm.com.
> Also, if time permits, I might add support for these instructions  in z390.
>
> Cheers,
> Abe Kornelis
> ==
>

​Maybe:

http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/model20/
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/princOps/
​


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Re: unusual instructions

[Tom Marchant]

On Thu, 21 May 2015 14:19:23 -0500, John McKown wrote:

>On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Abe Kornelis  wrote:
>
>> do you have any information available on these 360/20 specific
>> instructions?
>
>​Maybe:
>
>http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/model20/
>http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/princOps/

and:
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/funcChar/

-- 
Tom Marchant

360/20 instructions

[glen herrmannsfeldt]

The detail on the instructions are in:

httt://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/funcChar/A26-5847-3_360-20_funChar_Apr67.pdf

The HRTBP360 program that IBM still distributes, I am told, with HASP,
uses macros for the 360/20 specific instructions.  (It was written
to assembler with OS/360 or OS/VS2 assemblers.)

The macros seem to still work with new assemblers.

-- glen

Re: 360/20 instructions

[Abe Kornelis]

Thank you all for the various pointers I received.
I have some howmework to. Luckily, it's nearly weekend...

Abe
===
glen herrmannsfeldt schreef op 21-5-2015 om 21:36:
> The detail on the instructions are in:
>
> httt://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/funcChar/A26-5847-3_360-20_funChar_Apr67.pdf
>
> The HRTBP360 program that IBM still distributes, I am told, with HASP,
> uses macros for the 360/20 specific instructions.  (It was written
> to assembler with OS/360 or OS/VS2 assemblers.)
>
> The macros seem to still work with new assemblers.
>
> -- glen
>
>
>

Re: Debuggers

[Jim Mulder]

> What debug tool are you using for debugging your assembler programs?

  Mostly, SVC dumps, Stand-alone dumps, and IPCS
  Sometimes, VM.
  Occasionally, TSO TEST.

 Since "my assembler programs" is mainly the guts of the operating system,
that limits my choices a bit. 

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY