Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk Business Edition
Hello, ABE is an answer to all the proprietory solution provider who want to include asterisk in their production environment. I personally do not see any specific advantage of it over GPL one, apart from all the glossy printed manual :) (voip-info.org holds more info then it) Thanks Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder CEO, Enterux Solutions, The Enterprise Linux Company (TM), www.enterux.com Quoting Dome Charoenyost [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Look like GPL version still better than ABE :) Dome C. On 2/4/08, Ron McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to pay for extra channels, in incremnet sof 20. Max is 240 supported that is what Digium calls Stable. I know several people running ABE with 400+ concurrent calls! On Feb 3, 2008 9:08 PM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 11:00 +0700, Dome Charoenyost wrote: Hi All, I found Asterisk Business Edition supports up to 40 simultaneous calls with upgrades to 240 calls available. in digium web site. What's mean ? Asterisk Business Edition not include source code ? Best Regards. Dome C. I do not believe that it contains source (other than headers to compile modules for example), it is not GPL licensed, it is a commercial license. 40 concurrent calls is aparently the standard stable way asterisk business edition runs. And if you pay more then you can have more channels at the same time. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel Belfast +44 28 9099 6461US +1 516 687 5200 http://www.trxtel.com the phone company that pays you! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
[asterisk-biz] DID needed for New Zealand
Hi we are looking for DID in NewZealand's various cities including Toll free . Please contact us off the list if anyone can offer. -Safeer ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk Business Edition
Mitul Limbani wrote:
Hello,
ABE is an answer to all the proprietory solution provider who want to
include asterisk in their production environment.
I personally do not see any specific advantage of it over GPL one,
apart from all the glossy printed manual :) (voip-info.org holds more
info then it)
Thanks Regards,
Mitul Limbani,
Founder CEO,
Enterux Solutions,
The Enterprise Linux Company (TM),
www.enterux.com
Quoting Dome Charoenyost [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Look like GPL version still better than ABE :)
Dome C.
On 2/4/08, Ron McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have to pay for extra channels, in incremnet sof 20. Max is 240
supported that is what Digium calls Stable. I know several people running
ABE with 400+ concurrent calls!
On Feb 3, 2008 9:08 PM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 11:00 +0700, Dome Charoenyost wrote:
Hi All,
I found Asterisk Business Edition supports up to 40 simultaneous
calls with upgrades to 240 calls available. in digium web site.
What's mean ? Asterisk Business Edition not include source code ?
Best Regards.
Dome C.
I do not believe that it contains source (other than headers to compile
modules for example), it is not GPL licensed, it is a commercial
license.
40 concurrent calls is aparently the standard stable way asterisk
business edition runs. And if you pay more then you can have more
channels at the same time.
--
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Belfast +44 28 9099 6461US +1 516 687 5200
http://www.trxtel.com the phone company that pays you!
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We are running few asterisk GPLs and quite happy take the load more then
240 cuncurrent calls.
-Kevin
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk Business Edition
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 04:35 -0500, Mitul Limbani wrote: Hello, ABE is an answer to all the proprietory solution provider who want to include asterisk in their production environment. not the only one though, as the GPL only matters for distribution, not use. I personally do not see any specific advantage of it over GPL one, apart from all the glossy printed manual :) (voip-info.org holds more info then it) The biggest advantage is that you can use digium code and derive other works that are not gpl. The key issue isnt a concern since the courts ruled that lock out codes arent copyrightable (and thus not protected, not available for gpl license terms, etc). This was in the lexmark case most recently but that was based on supreme court rulings from days gone by. So if you have a clean build environment (meaning you dont use digium code) you can build modules and distribute them with a closed license, just not distributed with gpl stuff, since again the gpl covers distribution not use. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel Belfast +44 28 9099 6461US +1 516 687 5200 http://www.trxtel.com the phone company that pays you! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Looking for DIDs for AU, NZ UK
Matt Riddell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Charles Alvis wrote: Looking for DiDs for Australia, New Zealand, and United Kingdom. Toll free DiDs would be a plus. Be careful. You are not legally allowed to terminate a New Zealand DID number to a customer residing outside of the area in which the DID is operated. For example: OK: Sell an Auckland DID to a customer in Auckland Not OK: Sell an Auckland DID to a customer in Dunedin Sell an Auckland DID to a customer outside of New Zealand All that aside, if you're looking for New Zealand DIDs for New Zealand customers (or customers who have an office registered in New Zealand and terminating equipment housed here), then give us a yell. - -- Kind Regards, Matt Riddell Director ___ http://www.venturevoip.com (Great new VoIP end to end solution) http://www.venturevoip.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.venturevoip.com/newrssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHpmeVDQNt8rg0Kp4RAqGzAJ4ktPOmdptOcryr+Tnn38hyI/KCtwCfV7qC w2dEO5kdf6odSHQsh6AyWYk= =SSSG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz Hi Matt thanks for the that update we are looking for customers well inside NZ . we need these DIDs with more then 5 channels per city atleast. we are also looking for 014 number as well . please contact me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards -Kevin ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
[asterisk-biz] Open source Asterisk billing solution
Hi guys, I've been asked to setup an Asterisk server with accounting functions for a client and his customers. To keep it short and sweet he wants to provide dids to his customers and charge a monthly service fee for the customer having the line and when the time comes offer packages of minutes and have charges be added to the account when the package minutes run out. What open source solutions do you guys suggest I look at. A requirement I have is that there is an active community of users out there I can communicate with and that the product is under active development. It wouldn't be right for me to start using a project and then have it die out on me soon after I implement a solution for a large company. One I've looked at is A2billing. This program seems to have a lot of the functions I want, but still seems to be based around the concept of calling cards. This will work for some situations I'm in, but doesn't quite seem to be what I need for operating a standard phone company system over voip. Thanks, Tom No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 AM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM
We are using a Dell 2950 with 2 Dual core 2GHz CPU, 2GB Ram and a Sangoma A104d-x quad T1/E1 card (which now seems to be called the A104DE on Sangoma's site). Using this system we are currently handling 82 users quite easily. We have had at least 23 concurrent calls on a few occasions with no problems. I'm pretty sure it could handle 48 concurrent calls as the load on this box averages around 0.11 and peaks to about 0.4 -- Bob Pierce Network Analyst Westman Communications Group On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:04 -0500, John Williams wrote: Thanks for that wisdom, Bob. For this current job, we have the luxury of running a separate network for voice, and can put aside QOS (for now). Being completely paranoid, I want to buy equipment (switch PC) proven to operate an * PBX for 50-90 users and 48 concurrent calls. -- Dell is our preferred PC vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a Dell PC model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? (The Dell recommended models on the Wiki are out of date) -- 3COM is our preferred basic switch vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a 3COM switch model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? Thanks in advance for aiding my considerable paranoia! On Feb 3, 2008 5:46 PM, bob murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you start adding L3 to even L6 and 7 services the party gets smaller and more expensive. At the point you are building a network that requires QOS, Priority, Per port VLAN's etc you may as well build with service provider class switching gear like Foundry and Cisco etc. It will help us all by eliminating complaints about VOIP and Asterisk being not ready for prime deployment due to maturity issues when in reality, it works fine on a well designed and constructed network. Most of the time the Telephony system get's blamed for what is actually a poorly designed network. Low cost and Business grade may not coexist yet. So just bite the bullet and use Foundry or Cisco. We have deployed a couple systems with over 400 IP voice endpoints and things are lookin good because of the proper L3 and QOS functionality that was properly designed in to the final solution. Or, with cheap MAC switching you can just run seperate networks. I mean, why complicate things by converging voice and data. With L2 switching equipment so cheap. But you'll have to run two cat6 drops everywhere. It's a trade off. We have done it both ways. Bob Arreva Communications On 2/3/08, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deal List, Who are the low cost QOS LAN switch vendors with products supported by * for business grade voice service? Thanks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz -- Bob Murphy Principal Arreva Communications www.arrevausa.com 949-334-2022-SIP Connect 949-842-8450-Wireless 949-349-0209-Fax ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
[asterisk-biz] Grandstream v. Polycom
Dear List, Seeking opinions on Grandstream v. Polycom SIP phones run on *. Any thoughts/comments/opinions appreciated. Thanks! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM
We have recommended and deployed Cisco 3750's a couple times and Foundry switching. HP procurves as well. On 2/4/08, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, What are you using for a LAN switch? Thanks! On Feb 4, 2008 9:24 AM, Bob Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using a Dell 2950 with 2 Dual core 2GHz CPU, 2GB Ram and a Sangoma A104d-x quad T1/E1 card (which now seems to be called the A104DE on Sangoma's site). Using this system we are currently handling 82 users quite easily. We have had at least 23 concurrent calls on a few occasions with no problems. I'm pretty sure it could handle 48 concurrent calls as the load on this box averages around 0.11 and peaks to about 0.4 -- Bob Pierce Network Analyst Westman Communications Group On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:04 -0500, John Williams wrote: Thanks for that wisdom, Bob. For this current job, we have the luxury of running a separate network for voice, and can put aside QOS (for now). Being completely paranoid, I want to buy equipment (switch PC) proven to operate an * PBX for 50-90 users and 48 concurrent calls. -- Dell is our preferred PC vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a Dell PC model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? (The Dell recommended models on the Wiki are out of date) -- 3COM is our preferred basic switch vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a 3COM switch model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? Thanks in advance for aiding my considerable paranoia! On Feb 3, 2008 5:46 PM, bob murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you start adding L3 to even L6 and 7 services the party gets smaller and more expensive. At the point you are building a network that requires QOS, Priority, Per port VLAN's etc you may as well build with service provider class switching gear like Foundry and Cisco etc. It will help us all by eliminating complaints about VOIP and Asterisk being not ready for prime deployment due to maturity issues when in reality, it works fine on a well designed and constructed network. Most of the time the Telephony system get's blamed for what is actually a poorly designed network. Low cost and Business grade may not coexist yet. So just bite the bullet and use Foundry or Cisco. We have deployed a couple systems with over 400 IP voice endpoints and things are lookin good because of the proper L3 and QOS functionality that was properly designed in to the final solution. Or, with cheap MAC switching you can just run seperate networks. I mean, why complicate things by converging voice and data. With L2 switching equipment so cheap. But you'll have to run two cat6 drops everywhere. It's a trade off. We have done it both ways. Bob Arreva Communications On 2/3/08, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deal List, Who are the low cost QOS LAN switch vendors with products supported by * for business grade voice service? Thanks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz -- Bob Murphy Principal Arreva Communications www.arrevausa.com 949-334-2022-SIP Connect 949-842-8450-Wireless 949-349-0209-Fax ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz -- Bob Murphy
Re: [asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM
On Monday 04 February 2008 09:04, John Williams wrote: -- Dell is our preferred PC vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a Dell PC model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? (The Dell recommended models on the Wiki are out of date) Our current spec for an IVR based platform is: Dell 2950 Dual Quad Procs (2.33Ghz) 8GB Ram Dual 146GB 15K SAS Drives This easily handles 96 calls (Quad PRI) utilizing dual TE200B's. We have 10 of these identical systems in production. I would be happy to help you with pricing as we are a dell reseller. Ron ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM
Bob, What are you using for a LAN switch? Thanks! On Feb 4, 2008 9:24 AM, Bob Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using a Dell 2950 with 2 Dual core 2GHz CPU, 2GB Ram and a Sangoma A104d-x quad T1/E1 card (which now seems to be called the A104DE on Sangoma's site). Using this system we are currently handling 82 users quite easily. We have had at least 23 concurrent calls on a few occasions with no problems. I'm pretty sure it could handle 48 concurrent calls as the load on this box averages around 0.11 and peaks to about 0.4 -- Bob Pierce Network Analyst Westman Communications Group On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:04 -0500, John Williams wrote: Thanks for that wisdom, Bob. For this current job, we have the luxury of running a separate network for voice, and can put aside QOS (for now). Being completely paranoid, I want to buy equipment (switch PC) proven to operate an * PBX for 50-90 users and 48 concurrent calls. -- Dell is our preferred PC vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a Dell PC model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? (The Dell recommended models on the Wiki are out of date) -- 3COM is our preferred basic switch vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a 3COM switch model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? Thanks in advance for aiding my considerable paranoia! On Feb 3, 2008 5:46 PM, bob murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you start adding L3 to even L6 and 7 services the party gets smaller and more expensive. At the point you are building a network that requires QOS, Priority, Per port VLAN's etc you may as well build with service provider class switching gear like Foundry and Cisco etc. It will help us all by eliminating complaints about VOIP and Asterisk being not ready for prime deployment due to maturity issues when in reality, it works fine on a well designed and constructed network. Most of the time the Telephony system get's blamed for what is actually a poorly designed network. Low cost and Business grade may not coexist yet. So just bite the bullet and use Foundry or Cisco. We have deployed a couple systems with over 400 IP voice endpoints and things are lookin good because of the proper L3 and QOS functionality that was properly designed in to the final solution. Or, with cheap MAC switching you can just run seperate networks. I mean, why complicate things by converging voice and data. With L2 switching equipment so cheap. But you'll have to run two cat6 drops everywhere. It's a trade off. We have done it both ways. Bob Arreva Communications On 2/3/08, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deal List, Who are the low cost QOS LAN switch vendors with products supported by * for business grade voice service? Thanks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz -- Bob Murphy Principal Arreva Communications www.arrevausa.com 949-334-2022-SIP Connect 949-842-8450-Wireless 949-349-0209-Fax ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
[asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM
Thanks for that wisdom, Bob. For this current job, we have the luxury of running a separate network for voice, and can put aside QOS (for now). Being completely paranoid, I want to buy equipment (switch PC) proven to operate an * PBX for 50-90 users and 48 concurrent calls. -- Dell is our preferred PC vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a Dell PC model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? (The Dell recommended models on the Wiki are out of date) -- 3COM is our preferred basic switch vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a 3COM switch model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? Thanks in advance for aiding my considerable paranoia! On Feb 3, 2008 5:46 PM, bob murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you start adding L3 to even L6 and 7 services the party gets smaller and more expensive. At the point you are building a network that requires QOS, Priority, Per port VLAN's etc you may as well build with service provider class switching gear like Foundry and Cisco etc. It will help us all by eliminating complaints about VOIP and Asterisk being not ready for prime deployment due to maturity issues when in reality, it works fine on a well designed and constructed network. Most of the time the Telephony system get's blamed for what is actually a poorly designed network. Low cost and Business grade may not coexist yet. So just bite the bullet and use Foundry or Cisco. We have deployed a couple systems with over 400 IP voice endpoints and things are lookin good because of the proper L3 and QOS functionality that was properly designed in to the final solution. Or, with cheap MAC switching you can just run seperate networks. I mean, why complicate things by converging voice and data. With L2 switching equipment so cheap. But you'll have to run two cat6 drops everywhere. It's a trade off. We have done it both ways. Bob Arreva Communications On 2/3/08, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deal List, Who are the low cost QOS LAN switch vendors with products supported by * for business grade voice service? Thanks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz -- Bob Murphy Principal Arreva Communications www.arrevausa.com 949-334-2022-SIP Connect 949-842-8450-Wireless 949-349-0209-Fax ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Vritual Asterisk
Is ztdummy available for use inside the VEs? I tried it once and it was too much of a pain. The kernel wasn't using the standard Hz (I don't remember what it was in reference to). -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Shamsul Arefin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Vritual Asterisk Jose wrote: Hi , Any one has tried multiple Asterisk on Xen ? -Jose ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz Hi we have done some testing , so far it is quite promising. we use centos 5.1 and xen with para virtualization. installed upto 5 asterisk. and runs 10 concurrent calls on all of them. shams ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
[asterisk-biz] Polycom v. Snom
I love the security support of Snom, but wonder why they don't have an attendant console, which we currently use. How much more expensive is Snom than Polycom? On Feb 4, 2008 11:45 AM, Moshe Maeir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have Grandstream, Snom, Linksys and Polycom. Like Rob says GS and Polycom are not in the same league. We also had NAT issues with the Polycom, which we have not with the Snom. All in all the Snoms are good solid phones and easy to use. Moshe Rob Peck wrote: John, As someone who has both deployed in an office setting (GXP-2000s and Polycom IP-330s, as well as a few PAPs and some other random crap), I can give you a little info. Both work with Asterisk, but I would recommend the Polycom. It's only about $30/each more for a better phone. The GXP has some neat features, but the quality of construction and sound quality on the Polycoms is just so far ahead of the Grandstreams that it's not even in the same ballpark. The Polycoms are also far easier to provision (it's just simple XML). The only problems I've had with the Polcom are NAT issues, but it's not something I've even put more than 5 minutes of research into since everything here is on our local LAN. -Rob Peckdealnews.com John Williams wrote: Dear List, Seeking opinions on Grandstream v. Polycom SIP phones run on *. Any thoughts/comments/opinions appreciated. Thanks! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Vritual Asterisk
Jose wrote: Hi , Any one has tried multiple Asterisk on Xen ? -Jose ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz Hi we have done some testing , so far it is quite promising. we use centos 5.1 and xen with para virtualization. installed upto 5 asterisk. and runs 10 concurrent calls on all of them. shams ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk Business Edition
Incase i want to make new product like a xxx sip server If i order ABE (I don't know include source code or not) i modify code remove all 'asterisk' to 'xxx' Is posible to do ? Dome C. On 2/4/08, Trixter aka Bret McDanel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 04:35 -0500, Mitul Limbani wrote: Hello, ABE is an answer to all the proprietory solution provider who want to include asterisk in their production environment. not the only one though, as the GPL only matters for distribution, not use. I personally do not see any specific advantage of it over GPL one, apart from all the glossy printed manual :) (voip-info.org holds more info then it) The biggest advantage is that you can use digium code and derive other works that are not gpl. The key issue isnt a concern since the courts ruled that lock out codes arent copyrightable (and thus not protected, not available for gpl license terms, etc). This was in the lexmark case most recently but that was based on supreme court rulings from days gone by. So if you have a clean build environment (meaning you dont use digium code) you can build modules and distribute them with a closed license, just not distributed with gpl stuff, since again the gpl covers distribution not use. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel Belfast +44 28 9099 6461US +1 516 687 5200 http://www.trxtel.com the phone company that pays you! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Grandstream v. Polycom
Comment- The GXP-2000 Makes a better doorstop than a phone... The shape is perfect for this and it actually works when you use it as one. Michael White Biased Polycom Vendor http://www.8774e4voip.com P.S. Here is a nice link that outlines by date Grandstream's inadequacies -- http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/GXP-2000 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Williams Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:05 AM To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-biz] Grandstream v. Polycom Dear List, Seeking opinions on Grandstream v. Polycom SIP phones run on *. Any thoughts/comments/opinions appreciated. Thanks! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk Business Edition
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 18:35 +0700, Dome Charoenyost wrote: Incase i want to make new product like a xxx sip server If i order ABE (I don't know include source code or not) i modify code remove all 'asterisk' to 'xxx' Is posible to do ? Dome C. not with abe -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel Belfast +44 28 9099 6461US +1 516 687 5200 http://www.trxtel.com the phone company that pays you! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Vritual Asterisk
Hey shams... I have been trying to get a hold of you We need to talk... Wanna to contact me offlist??? zafer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shamsul Arefin Sent: Monday, 4 February 2008 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Vritual Asterisk Jose wrote: Hi , Any one has tried multiple Asterisk on Xen ? -Jose ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz Hi we have done some testing , so far it is quite promising. we use centos 5.1 and xen with para virtualization. installed upto 5 asterisk. and runs 10 concurrent calls on all of them. shams ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] forwarding
On Feb 4, 2008 7:01 AM, Andor Czafik (Akakiko) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am new in this list, and my english is not so good, so sorry for my english. We want to change our external callcenter to new, internal callcenter, but first time, we need to work with external parallel. We will connect to our telephone provider with sip trunk, and the X percentageof incoming calls will be forwarded to external callcenter, and 100-X percentage will go to our queue of agents. My question is, how can i make this forwarding rule, the percentage is allways changing. My idea, please tell me, while is a stupid idea: Ill make 11 normal sip extensions, 1 queue, and ill make 10 sip trunks, and with 10 sip trunks i will connect to 10 sip extensions. From this 10 trunks, X percentage is ringing on 1 sip extension, and this extension goes to external callcenter. And the remains trunks goes to our queue of agents. Its working now, but only with two asterisk server, because i can not connect to localhost with sip trunks. And this is my second question, how can i connect to localhost sip extension (loopback connections with sip) I use asterisk with destar. Thanks for helping Andor You lost me with localhost. I have done something similar to what you are describing with fastagi that connected to a database and returned a queue (extension really) based an a large number of variables. You could use that same principle for your application. Setup a local queue on one extension and a dial on another extension. call comes in --- hits AGI -- AGI hits database which based on your metrics and chan variables returns an exten - resume dialplan at X extension. This way you keep most your logic outside of Asterisk itself which allows greater flexibility now and in the future. Maybe later you want to weight percentage based on a rolling conversion figure, time of day, language, DID, ANI, or whatever business logic makes more sense. It becomes much easier to test different strategies. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM
We are using Dell PowerConnect 3448P for voicedata switches with qos and separate vlans for data and voice. Bob On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:55 -0500, John Williams wrote: Bob, What are you using for a LAN switch? Thanks! On Feb 4, 2008 9:24 AM, Bob Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using a Dell 2950 with 2 Dual core 2GHz CPU, 2GB Ram and a Sangoma A104d-x quad T1/E1 card (which now seems to be called the A104DE on Sangoma's site). Using this system we are currently handling 82 users quite easily. We have had at least 23 concurrent calls on a few occasions with no problems. I'm pretty sure it could handle 48 concurrent calls as the load on this box averages around 0.11 and peaks to about 0.4 -- Bob Pierce Network Analyst Westman Communications Group On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:04 -0500, John Williams wrote: Thanks for that wisdom, Bob. For this current job, we have the luxury of running a separate network for voice, and can put aside QOS (for now). Being completely paranoid, I want to buy equipment (switch PC) proven to operate an * PBX for 50-90 users and 48 concurrent calls. -- Dell is our preferred PC vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a Dell PC model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? (The Dell recommended models on the Wiki are out of date) -- 3COM is our preferred basic switch vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a 3COM switch model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? Thanks in advance for aiding my considerable paranoia! On Feb 3, 2008 5:46 PM, bob murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you start adding L3 to even L6 and 7 services the party gets smaller and more expensive. At the point you are building a network that requires QOS, Priority, Per port VLAN's etc you may as well build with service provider class switching gear like Foundry and Cisco etc. It will help us all by eliminating complaints about VOIP and Asterisk being not ready for prime deployment due to maturity issues when in reality, it works fine on a well designed and constructed network. Most of the time the Telephony system get's blamed for what is actually a poorly designed network. Low cost and Business grade may not coexist yet. So just bite the bullet and use Foundry or Cisco. We have deployed a couple systems with over 400 IP voice endpoints and things are lookin good because of the proper L3 and QOS functionality that was properly designed in to the final solution. Or, with cheap MAC switching you can just run seperate networks. I mean, why complicate things by converging voice and data. With L2 switching equipment so cheap. But you'll have to run two cat6 drops everywhere. It's a trade off. We have done it both ways. Bob Arreva Communications On 2/3/08, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deal List, Who are the low cost QOS LAN switch vendors with products supported by * for business grade voice service? Thanks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz -- Bob Murphy Principal Arreva Communications www.arrevausa.com 949-334-2022-SIP Connect 949-842-8450-Wireless 949-349-0209-Fax ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by
Re: [asterisk-biz] Grandstream v. Polycom
You should check out snom phones as well, at www.snom.com they are a nice alternative and have some nice features. FYI On Feb 4, 2008 10:04 AM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, Seeking opinions on Grandstream v. Polycom SIP phones run on *. Any thoughts/comments/opinions appreciated. Thanks! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Grandstream v. Polycom
We have Grandstream, Snom, Linksys and Polycom. Like Rob says GS and Polycom are not in the same league. We also had NAT issues with the Polycom, which we have not with the Snom. All in all the Snoms are good solid phones and easy to use. Moshe Rob Peck wrote: John, As someone who has both deployed in an office setting (GXP-2000s and Polycom IP-330s, as well as a few PAPs and some other random crap), I can give you a little info. Both work with Asterisk, but I would recommend the Polycom. It's only about $30/each more for a better phone. The GXP has some neat features, but the quality of construction and sound quality on the Polycoms is just so far ahead of the Grandstreams that it's not even in the same ballpark. The Polycoms are also far easier to provision (it's just simple XML). The only problems I've had with the Polcom are NAT issues, but it's not something I've even put more than 5 minutes of research into since everything here is on our local LAN. -Rob Peck dealnews.com John Williams wrote: Dear List, Seeking opinions on Grandstream v. Polycom SIP phones run on *. Any thoughts/comments/opinions appreciated. Thanks! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM
Yes I concur that the Dell switches are a good functional choice as well. And priced right. On 2/4/08, Bob Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using Dell PowerConnect 3448P for voicedata switches with qos and separate vlans for data and voice. Bob On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:55 -0500, John Williams wrote: Bob, What are you using for a LAN switch? Thanks! On Feb 4, 2008 9:24 AM, Bob Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using a Dell 2950 with 2 Dual core 2GHz CPU, 2GB Ram and a Sangoma A104d-x quad T1/E1 card (which now seems to be called the A104DE on Sangoma's site). Using this system we are currently handling 82 users quite easily. We have had at least 23 concurrent calls on a few occasions with no problems. I'm pretty sure it could handle 48 concurrent calls as the load on this box averages around 0.11 and peaks to about 0.4 -- Bob Pierce Network Analyst Westman Communications Group On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:04 -0500, John Williams wrote: Thanks for that wisdom, Bob. For this current job, we have the luxury of running a separate network for voice, and can put aside QOS (for now). Being completely paranoid, I want to buy equipment (switch PC) proven to operate an * PBX for 50-90 users and 48 concurrent calls. -- Dell is our preferred PC vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a Dell PC model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? (The Dell recommended models on the Wiki are out of date) -- 3COM is our preferred basic switch vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a 3COM switch model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? Thanks in advance for aiding my considerable paranoia! On Feb 3, 2008 5:46 PM, bob murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you start adding L3 to even L6 and 7 services the party gets smaller and more expensive. At the point you are building a network that requires QOS, Priority, Per port VLAN's etc you may as well build with service provider class switching gear like Foundry and Cisco etc. It will help us all by eliminating complaints about VOIP and Asterisk being not ready for prime deployment due to maturity issues when in reality, it works fine on a well designed and constructed network. Most of the time the Telephony system get's blamed for what is actually a poorly designed network. Low cost and Business grade may not coexist yet. So just bite the bullet and use Foundry or Cisco. We have deployed a couple systems with over 400 IP voice endpoints and things are lookin good because of the proper L3 and QOS functionality that was properly designed in to the final solution. Or, with cheap MAC switching you can just run seperate networks. I mean, why complicate things by converging voice and data. With L2 switching equipment so cheap. But you'll have to run two cat6 drops everywhere. It's a trade off. We have done it both ways. Bob Arreva Communications On 2/3/08, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deal List, Who are the low cost QOS LAN switch vendors with products supported by * for business grade voice service? Thanks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz -- Bob Murphy Principal Arreva Communications www.arrevausa.com 949-334-2022-SIP
Re: [asterisk-biz] Grandstream v. Polycom
John, As someone who has both deployed in an office setting (GXP-2000s and Polycom IP-330s, as well as a few PAPs and some other random crap), I can give you a little info. Both work with Asterisk, but I would recommend the Polycom. It's only about $30/each more for a better phone. The GXP has some neat features, but the quality of construction and sound quality on the Polycoms is just so far ahead of the Grandstreams that it's not even in the same ballpark. The Polycoms are also far easier to provision (it's just simple XML). The only problems I've had with the Polcom are NAT issues, but it's not something I've even put more than 5 minutes of research into since everything here is on our local LAN. -Rob Peck dealnews.com John Williams wrote: Dear List, Seeking opinions on Grandstream v. Polycom SIP phones run on *. Any thoughts/comments/opinions appreciated. Thanks! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Grandstream v. Polycom
Michael S. White ha scritto: The GXP-2000 Makes a better doorstop than a phone... The shape is perfect for this and it actually works when you use it as one. Grandstream support just told me that for use it as doorstop you need the next version of the firmware that has not been released yet :-P ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Polycom v. Snom
On Feb 4, 2008 12:34 PM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the security support of Snom, but wonder why they don't have an attendant console, which we currently use. How much more expensive is Snom than Polycom? John, Polycom supports many, if not all, of the same security standards (SIP TLS, SRTP) that Snom does. Snom also offers an attendant console. -- Kristian Kielhofner ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Open source Asterisk billing solution
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 08:39 -0500, Tom Moore wrote: I've been asked to setup an Asterisk server with accounting functions for a client and his customers. To keep it short and sweet he wants to provide dids to his customers and charge a monthly service fee for the customer having the line and when the time comes offer packages of minutes and have charges be added to the account when the package minutes run out. I know several people doing this with the Freeside billing package (see http://freeside.biz/). Originally written as an ISP billing platform, it handles just about any billing situation you can think of, including month charges, pro-rated months, per minute or block-of-minutes type billing, etc. as well as some advanced features like account provisioning, etc. (A friend of mine is one of the core developers, so my opinion is probably somewhat biased... your mileage may vary.) -- Jared Smith Community Relations Manager Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk Business Edition
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 11:00 +0700, Dome Charoenyost wrote: I found Asterisk Business Edition supports up to 40 simultaneous calls with upgrades to 240 calls available. in digium web site. What's mean ? Asterisk Business Edition not include source code ? No, Asterisk Business Edition does not include the source code. While it's built from the same source as the open source version of Asterisk, it's licensed under a more traditional commercial binary-only software license. If you chose to go the Asterisk Business Edition route, you get technical support, warrant, and some patent indemnification. If on the other hand you go the open-source route, you get support from the community (mailing lists such as this one, forums, blogs, and so on). The nice thing is, you get to choose which is best for your particular situation. -- Jared Smith Community Relations Manager Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM
What do these puppies go for? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: bob murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:49:25 To:Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussionasterisk-biz@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM Yes I concur that the Dell switches are a good functional choice as well. And priced right. On 2/4/08, Bob Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using Dell PowerConnect 3448P for voicedata switches with qos and separate vlans for data and voice. Bob On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:55 -0500, John Williams wrote: Bob, What are you using for a LAN switch? Thanks! On Feb 4, 2008 9:24 AM, Bob Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using a Dell 2950 with 2 Dual core 2GHz CPU, 2GB Ram and a Sangoma A104d-x quad T1/E1 card (which now seems to be called the A104DE on Sangoma's site). Using this system we are currently handling 82 users quite easily. We have had at least 23 concurrent calls on a few occasions with no problems. I'm pretty sure it could handle 48 concurrent calls as the load on this box averages around 0.11 and peaks to about 0.4 -- Bob Pierce Network Analyst Westman Communications Group On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:04 -0500, John Williams wrote: Thanks for that wisdom, Bob. For this current job, we have the luxury of running a separate network for voice, and can put aside QOS (for now). Being completely paranoid, I want to buy equipment (switch PC) proven to operate an * PBX for 50-90 users and 48 concurrent calls. -- Dell is our preferred PC vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a Dell PC model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? (The Dell recommended models on the Wiki are out of date) -- 3COM is our preferred basic switch vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a 3COM switch model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? Thanks in advance for aiding my considerable paranoia! On Feb 3, 2008 5:46 PM, bob murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you start adding L3 to even L6 and 7 services the party gets smaller and more expensive. At the point you are building a network that requires QOS, Priority, Per port VLAN's etc you may as well build with service provider class switching gear like Foundry and Cisco etc. It will help us all by eliminating complaints about VOIP and Asterisk being not ready for prime deployment due to maturity issues when in reality, it works fine on a well designed and constructed network. Most of the time the Telephony system get's blamed for what is actually a poorly designed network. Low cost and Business grade may not coexist yet. So just bite the bullet and use Foundry or Cisco. We have deployed a couple systems with over 400 IP voice endpoints and things are lookin good because of the proper L3 and QOS functionality that was properly designed in to the final solution. Or, with cheap MAC switching you can just run seperate networks. I mean, why complicate things by converging voice and data. With L2 switching equipment so cheap. But you'll have to run two cat6 drops everywhere. It's a trade off. We have done it both ways. Bob Arreva Communications On 2/3/08, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deal List, Who are the low cost QOS LAN switch vendors with products supported by * for business grade voice service? Thanks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options
[asterisk-biz] How to Protect SIP server from flood. ?
My customer want to do PC to PC voip service and they ask about cheap solution for Protect SIP Server from flood. I think about Snort Inline. If sommone have any idea please let's me know. Best Regards. Dome C. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Vritual Asterisk
Is there a particular reason you would want to do that ? Would it work on PRI hardware ? Gondar Shamsul Arefin wrote: Jose wrote: Hi , Any one has tried multiple Asterisk on Xen ? -Jose ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz Hi we have done some testing , so far it is quite promising. we use centos 5.1 and xen with para virtualization. installed upto 5 asterisk. and runs 10 concurrent calls on all of them. shams ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Open source Asterisk billing solution
Freeside is probably the best you can get Has everything, they have a vmware appliance that you can test Gondar Jared Smith wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 08:39 -0500, Tom Moore wrote: I've been asked to setup an Asterisk server with accounting functions for a client and his customers. To keep it short and sweet he wants to provide dids to his customers and charge a monthly service fee for the customer having the line and when the time comes offer packages of minutes and have charges be added to the account when the package minutes run out. I know several people doing this with the Freeside billing package (see http://freeside.biz/). Originally written as an ISP billing platform, it handles just about any billing situation you can think of, including month charges, pro-rated months, per minute or block-of-minutes type billing, etc. as well as some advanced features like account provisioning, etc. (A friend of mine is one of the core developers, so my opinion is probably somewhat biased... your mileage may vary.) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Starting a VOIP Business
Thanks a lot everyone ... We will go with the 2950, just to keep things together (we have several of them) + we are redesigning our network to control all the 802.11 issues Gondar Mike Hammett wrote: I'm not as large as I'd like to be (well the company, personally I wish I was smaller), but I am deploying more towers this year and reintroducing my VoIP service. Everything is routed and every device has a powerful QoS system. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gondar Monn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Starting a VOIP Business Thanks for a very wise advice ... we are actually looking into it, we had a bridged system and are redesigning it to be fully routed + implementing QoS + switching bandwidth providers to get a better backbone Thanks again Gondar Nitzan Kon wrote: I was thinking the exact same thing. My experience (as a user) with WISPs has been basically lost packets, intermittent service issues, etc. VoIP is fragile as it is, so there is no way you could deliver VoIP reliably with these issues... If you DON'T have lost packet issues (rare for a WISP I think), your latency is very low, and basically you have the perfect connection for a WISP - you MIGHT be fine. Don't go buying a bunch of equipment before you test it though... -- Nitzan --- John Mason Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a word of advise make sure the network is ready for the voip traffic, at my ofice we had a very poor experience with a WISP with VOIP because the network was not ready well managed John ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] How to Protect SIP server from flood. ?
its' work for alert. i want to test inline mode for real time block Dome C. On 2/5/08, Gondar Monn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would go with snort too, they have a module for VOIP ... but you have to configure and activate it Gondar Dome Charoenyost wrote: My customer want to do PC to PC voip service and they ask about cheap solution for Protect SIP Server from flood. I think about Snort Inline. If sommone have any idea please let's me know. Best Regards. Dome C. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Open source Asterisk billing solution
Hello, You may try A2billing, it handles most of the things mentioned by you, including DID Management. Including the monthly billing for DID and per minute charge for calls for different destinations including calling card functionality. If you are looking for a full fledged highly scalable billing software which works on top of Asterisk with more granulled functionality of time based incremental billing per call, DID management, Inbound Charge per DID, calling card, Muliple SIP Users under one single company entity (more like Hosted PBX scenario) etc etc the works, we may be able to help you. I look forward to hear from you, Thanks Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder CEO, Enterux Solutions, The Enterprise Linux Company (TM), www.enterux.com Quoting Jared Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 08:39 -0500, Tom Moore wrote: I've been asked to setup an Asterisk server with accounting functions for a client and his customers. To keep it short and sweet he wants to provide dids to his customers and charge a monthly service fee for the customer having the line and when the time comes offer packages of minutes and have charges be added to the account when the package minutes run out. I know several people doing this with the Freeside billing package (see http://freeside.biz/). Originally written as an ISP billing platform, it handles just about any billing situation you can think of, including month charges, pro-rated months, per minute or block-of-minutes type billing, etc. as well as some advanced features like account provisioning, etc. (A friend of mine is one of the core developers, so my opinion is probably somewhat biased... your mileage may vary.) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] How to Protect SIP server from flood. ?
I would go with snort too, they have a module for VOIP ... but you have to configure and activate it Gondar Dome Charoenyost wrote: My customer want to do PC to PC voip service and they ask about cheap solution for Protect SIP Server from flood. I think about Snort Inline. If sommone have any idea please let's me know. Best Regards. Dome C. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM
Last time we deployed a system on dell switches it was aproximately $1, 400.00 for a 48 port POE switch. Including the extra power pack that enables POE on all 48 ports. On 2/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do these puppies go for? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: bob murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:49:25 To:Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM Yes I concur that the Dell switches are a good functional choice as well. And priced right. On 2/4/08, Bob Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using Dell PowerConnect 3448P for voicedata switches with qos and separate vlans for data and voice. Bob On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:55 -0500, John Williams wrote: Bob, What are you using for a LAN switch? Thanks! On Feb 4, 2008 9:24 AM, Bob Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using a Dell 2950 with 2 Dual core 2GHz CPU, 2GB Ram and a Sangoma A104d-x quad T1/E1 card (which now seems to be called the A104DE on Sangoma's site). Using this system we are currently handling 82 users quite easily. We have had at least 23 concurrent calls on a few occasions with no problems. I'm pretty sure it could handle 48 concurrent calls as the load on this box averages around 0.11 and peaks to about 0.4 -- Bob Pierce Network Analyst Westman Communications Group On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:04 -0500, John Williams wrote: Thanks for that wisdom, Bob. For this current job, we have the luxury of running a separate network for voice, and can put aside QOS (for now). Being completely paranoid, I want to buy equipment (switch PC) proven to operate an * PBX for 50-90 users and 48 concurrent calls. -- Dell is our preferred PC vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a Dell PC model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? (The Dell recommended models on the Wiki are out of date) -- 3COM is our preferred basic switch vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a 3COM switch model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? Thanks in advance for aiding my considerable paranoia! On Feb 3, 2008 5:46 PM, bob murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you start adding L3 to even L6 and 7 services the party gets smaller and more expensive. At the point you are building a network that requires QOS, Priority, Per port VLAN's etc you may as well build with service provider class switching gear like Foundry and Cisco etc. It will help us all by eliminating complaints about VOIP and Asterisk being not ready for prime deployment due to maturity issues when in reality, it works fine on a well designed and constructed network. Most of the time the Telephony system get's blamed for what is actually a poorly designed network. Low cost and Business grade may not coexist yet. So just bite the bullet and use Foundry or Cisco. We have deployed a couple systems with over 400 IP voice endpoints and things are lookin good because of the proper L3 and QOS functionality that was properly designed in to the final solution. Or, with cheap MAC switching you can just run seperate networks. I mean, why complicate things by converging voice and data. With L2 switching equipment so cheap. But you'll have to run two cat6 drops everywhere. It's a trade off. We have done it both ways. Bob Arreva Communications On 2/3/08, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deal List, Who are the low cost QOS LAN switch vendors with products supported by * for business grade voice service? Thanks
Re: [asterisk-biz] Paranoia, Dell 3COM
Folks, Excuse my ignorance ... a couple more questions on server sizing (Dell 2950) - Hard Drive Size for open source * or *BE? - # of Gps Ethernet ports (1 or 2? ) (I noticed one poster using one port for incoming calls and 2nd port for outgoing calls) - Any value to 4 GB Ram? - How many PCI slots in this beast? Thanks! On Feb 4, 2008 9:24 AM, Bob Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using a Dell 2950 with 2 Dual core 2GHz CPU, 2GB Ram and a Sangoma A104d-x quad T1/E1 card (which now seems to be called the A104DE on Sangoma's site). Using this system we are currently handling 82 users quite easily. We have had at least 23 concurrent calls on a few occasions with no problems. I'm pretty sure it could handle 48 concurrent calls as the load on this box averages around 0.11 and peaks to about 0.4 -- Bob Pierce Network Analyst Westman Communications Group On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:04 -0500, John Williams wrote: Thanks for that wisdom, Bob. For this current job, we have the luxury of running a separate network for voice, and can put aside QOS (for now). Being completely paranoid, I want to buy equipment (switch PC) proven to operate an * PBX for 50-90 users and 48 concurrent calls. -- Dell is our preferred PC vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a Dell PC model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? (The Dell recommended models on the Wiki are out of date) -- 3COM is our preferred basic switch vendor. Can anyone recommend, based on actual experience, a 3COM switch model for *, and 48 concurrent calls? Thanks in advance for aiding my considerable paranoia! On Feb 3, 2008 5:46 PM, bob murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you start adding L3 to even L6 and 7 services the party gets smaller and more expensive. At the point you are building a network that requires QOS, Priority, Per port VLAN's etc you may as well build with service provider class switching gear like Foundry and Cisco etc. It will help us all by eliminating complaints about VOIP and Asterisk being not ready for prime deployment due to maturity issues when in reality, it works fine on a well designed and constructed network. Most of the time the Telephony system get's blamed for what is actually a poorly designed network. Low cost and Business grade may not coexist yet. So just bite the bullet and use Foundry or Cisco. We have deployed a couple systems with over 400 IP voice endpoints and things are lookin good because of the proper L3 and QOS functionality that was properly designed in to the final solution. Or, with cheap MAC switching you can just run seperate networks. I mean, why complicate things by converging voice and data. With L2 switching equipment so cheap. But you'll have to run two cat6 drops everywhere. It's a trade off. We have done it both ways. Bob Arreva Communications On 2/3/08, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deal List, Who are the low cost QOS LAN switch vendors with products supported by * for business grade voice service? Thanks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz -- Bob Murphy Principal Arreva Communications www.arrevausa.com 949-334-2022-SIP Connect 949-842-8450-Wireless 949-349-0209-Fax ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Open source Asterisk billing solution
I have had good success with setting up and using A2billing . It's way better than other open source billing system ( only my opinion ) :) . On Feb 5, 2008 10:12 AM, Mitul Limbani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, You may try A2billing, it handles most of the things mentioned by you, including DID Management. Including the monthly billing for DID and per minute charge for calls for different destinations including calling card functionality. If you are looking for a full fledged highly scalable billing software which works on top of Asterisk with more granulled functionality of time based incremental billing per call, DID management, Inbound Charge per DID, calling card, Muliple SIP Users under one single company entity (more like Hosted PBX scenario) etc etc the works, we may be able to help you. I look forward to hear from you, Thanks Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder CEO, Enterux Solutions, The Enterprise Linux Company (TM), www.enterux.com Quoting Jared Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 08:39 -0500, Tom Moore wrote: I've been asked to setup an Asterisk server with accounting functions for a client and his customers. To keep it short and sweet he wants to provide dids to his customers and charge a monthly service fee for the customer having the line and when the time comes offer packages of minutes and have charges be added to the account when the package minutes run out. I know several people doing this with the Freeside billing package (see http://freeside.biz/). Originally written as an ISP billing platform, it handles just about any billing situation you can think of, including month charges, pro-rated months, per minute or block-of-minutes type billing, etc. as well as some advanced features like account provisioning, etc. (A friend of mine is one of the core developers, so my opinion is probably somewhat biased... your mileage may vary.) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
[asterisk-biz] Digium cards for sale (over 40%-50% off)
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[asterisk-biz] Session Border Controller
Any one using one of those on their VOIP network ? Experience with and without ? Thanks for sharing ! Gondar ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Open source Asterisk billing solution
I Agree A2billing. On 2/5/08, Jaswinder Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had good success with setting up and using A2billing . It's way better than other open source billing system ( only my opinion ) :) . On Feb 5, 2008 10:12 AM, Mitul Limbani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, You may try A2billing, it handles most of the things mentioned by you, including DID Management. Including the monthly billing for DID and per minute charge for calls for different destinations including calling card functionality. If you are looking for a full fledged highly scalable billing software which works on top of Asterisk with more granulled functionality of time based incremental billing per call, DID management, Inbound Charge per DID, calling card, Muliple SIP Users under one single company entity (more like Hosted PBX scenario) etc etc the works, we may be able to help you. I look forward to hear from you, Thanks Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder CEO, Enterux Solutions, The Enterprise Linux Company (TM), www.enterux.com Quoting Jared Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 08:39 -0500, Tom Moore wrote: I've been asked to setup an Asterisk server with accounting functions for a client and his customers. To keep it short and sweet he wants to provide dids to his customers and charge a monthly service fee for the customer having the line and when the time comes offer packages of minutes and have charges be added to the account when the package minutes run out. I know several people doing this with the Freeside billing package (see http://freeside.biz/). Originally written as an ISP billing platform, it handles just about any billing situation you can think of, including month charges, pro-rated months, per minute or block-of-minutes type billing, etc. as well as some advanced features like account provisioning, etc. (A friend of mine is one of the core developers, so my opinion is probably somewhat biased... your mileage may vary.) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk Business Edition
Is it true that ABE supports Dialogic boards? If yes, what else ABE supports what normal Asterisk doesn't? Jared Smith wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 11:00 +0700, Dome Charoenyost wrote: I found Asterisk Business Edition supports up to 40 simultaneous calls with upgrades to 240 calls available. in digium web site. What's mean ? Asterisk Business Edition not include source code ? No, Asterisk Business Edition does not include the source code. While it's built from the same source as the open source version of Asterisk, it's licensed under a more traditional commercial binary-only software license. If you chose to go the Asterisk Business Edition route, you get technical support, warrant, and some patent indemnification. If on the other hand you go the open-source route, you get support from the community (mailing lists such as this one, forums, blogs, and so on). The nice thing is, you get to choose which is best for your particular situation. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
Re: [asterisk-biz] Open source Asterisk billing solution
Second that. From what I've seen of other billing systems they range from bad to truly horrible. A2billing is the only solution I've seen which gets even close to something I can depend on (or rather easily modify to my needs). Unfortunately, having said that, A2billing is very complicated and to fit my needs I will need to modify it heavily. For example its handling of DID's is so complicated that I will probably bypass it completely and write my own AGI to handle incoming calls. Same goes for voicemail support (or rather lack thereof in current stable version of A2Billing). Personally I believe that keeping the customer interface as stupidified as possible is the best way to go. Your users are not going to know what a DID or a CID group is - they just want a simple phone number that works. Unfortunately none of the open source projects out there is at a fit-for-the-masses level yet, at least not without doing massive amount of work to customize it. What I *did* like about A2Billing though is that it's written in PHP and easily modifiable. It provides a good base to build and customize on, and the rating engine seems to be doing its job reliably. (As far as Freeside goes- I have NOT tested it. But it appears like it's seriously lacking proper documentation, which is why I stayed away from it personally. It could be a great platform though - don't know.) -- Nitzan --- Jaswinder Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had good success with setting up and using A2billing . It's way better than other open source billing system ( only my opinion ) :) . ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
