RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Ed Guy]

We've been using the CellSocket on asterisks in our lab and
it works well.  They only problem we found was 
DTMF performance from the local cell phone to asterisk has varied
depending on carrier and phone model.


/ed

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Interesting. I think either the phonelabs adapter or  cellsocket might
be an interesting idea. We are moving to a biz mobile package I use
iax2 term to fwd to a nextel since it's free inbound but having a cell
on the asterisk box is probably a better fit. Besides on a biz plan w/
tmobile and others you can add a line for $10 on the pooled mins
plans. Very interesting idea
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Dan]

Hi,
As I am the developer of DIAX
- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Rozman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
there is already iax softphone called diax
(http://www.laser.com/dante/diax/diax.html) that can be controlled over
bluetooth on some phones. The thing that is missing is to be able to use
cellular as audio device for softphone (I'm doing this with paired 
bluetooth
headset - but that is not proper solution).

We already have Audio gateway bluetooth profile that allows redirection 
from
cellular to PCs sound card, but we would need same in opposite direction -
to use cellular as PCs soundcard on softphone application.
I cannot do it with my SonyEricsson T68i.
If anyone can do it, then I'll integrate this feature in DIAX too.
What I want to do first, but I don't know how is to control DIAX using the
BT headset internal switch to answer the call. I don;t know how to start
BT connection from the headset side:-(
Best regards,
Dan 

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Jay Milk]

You don't need a serial cable to send the AT commands.  Bluetooth
provides a "virtual serial port" which  makes the modem commands
available wirelessly.

> -Original Message-
> From: Stefan de Konink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:46 PM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
> general happiness
> 
> 
> Jay Milk wrote:
> > That's exactly it!  The asterisk box acts as a handset for 
> the phone 
> > and uses AT-commands for call-origination and progress.
> 
> OFF: Although the reversed thing, having a console with a bluetooth 
> headset would also sounds very ok.
> 
> ON: Why would one prefer bluetooth over wires if one still needs a 
> serial cable to send AT commands? For an incomming call, GSM to 
> GSM-Asterisk it would make sense, but I never saw a bluetooth headset 
> device with keypad. Probably not only a bluetooth API should 
> be looked 
> at moreover the to be used Cellphones API.
> 
> 
> Stefan de Konink
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Jay Milk]

Yep, right on -- once it's a channel, you can run any extension you like
-- including your IVR prompts and voicemail.  Whether your extensions
are SIP, H.323 or zaptel won't even matter.

> -Original Message-
> From: Damjan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
>
> GSM-mobile <--bt--> Asterisk-with-BT-dongle <--ethernet--> \
> SIP-phones-inside-all-of-your-house

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Damjan]

> ON: Why would one prefer bluetooth over wires if one still needs a 
> serial cable to send AT commands? 

You can send AT commands via BT too... while sending audio.
BT is a great standard.

> For an incomming call, GSM to 
> GSM-Asterisk it would make sense, but I never saw a bluetooth headset 
> device with keypad. 

We are talking of using the GSM mobile to bring calls to your private
home phone network... probably SIP based.

GSM-mobile <--bt--> Asterisk-with-BT-dongle <--ethernet--> \
  SIP-phones-inside-all-of-your-house


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Stefan de Konink]

Jay Milk wrote:
That's exactly it!  The asterisk box acts as a handset for the phone and
uses AT-commands for call-origination and progress.
OFF: Although the reversed thing, having a console with a bluetooth 
headset would also sounds very ok.

ON: Why would one prefer bluetooth over wires if one still needs a 
serial cable to send AT commands? For an incomming call, GSM to 
GSM-Asterisk it would make sense, but I never saw a bluetooth headset 
device with keypad. Probably not only a bluetooth API should be looked 
at moreover the to be used Cellphones API.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Jay Milk]

That's exactly it!  The asterisk box acts as a handset for the phone and
uses AT-commands for call-origination and progress.

> -Original Message-
> From: Damjan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:43 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
> general happiness
> 
> 
> > As for how BT transmits Audio:
> > 
> > www.bluetooth.org
> > www.bluez.org
> > 
> > How Linux utilizes Bluetooth: 
> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=linux+bluetooth
> > www.bluez.org
> > 
> > For how to write a channel, I suppose a seasoned linux programmer 
> > would know by looking at the sources for existing channels. 
>  If I had 
> > time, I'd look, but the learning curve (coming from a PC 
> environment) 
> > would be quite steep.
> 
> So basically what you want to do is write an Asterisk driver 
> that uses the BT mobile phone as a device.
> 
> The kde-bluetooth project has a kbthandset program, so that 
> you can use your PC's sound card to talk via the mobile... 
> what we want is remove the sound-card stuff, insert Asterisk 
> interface... should't be too hard, but I'm no C programer... 
> Could anyone point me to a Asterisk driver writitng manual?

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Damjan]

> As for how BT transmits Audio:
> 
> www.bluetooth.org
> www.bluez.org
> 
> How Linux utilizes Bluetooth:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=linux+bluetooth
> www.bluez.org
> 
> For how to write a channel, I suppose a seasoned linux programmer would
> know by looking at the sources for existing channels.  If I had time,
> I'd look, but the learning curve (coming from a PC environment) would be
> quite steep.

So basically what you want to do is write an Asterisk driver that uses
the BT mobile phone as a device.

The kde-bluetooth project has a kbthandset program, so that you can use
your PC's sound card to talk via the mobile... what we want is remove
the sound-card stuff, insert Asterisk interface... should't be too hard,
but I'm no C programer... Could anyone point me to a Asterisk driver
writitng manual?


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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Jay Milk]

*IF* I didn't already have the phone...

CellSocket   $100
FXO Port  $80
Non-BT Phone   $0 (after rebates for new service)
 
 $180

BT Dongle $10
BT-Phone  $75 (after rebates for new service)
 
  $85

But aside from all that, many people already have BT capable phones (as
do I), and the question was not WHETHER we could utilize a cell-phone
for an FXO replacement, but HOW to do so.

> -Original Message-
> From: Horacio J. Peña [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:00 AM
> To: Jay Milk
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - 
> Non-Commercial Discussion'
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
> general happiness
> 
> 
> > cell-socket.  I'd prefer a bluetooth dongle (1) because of 
> cost, and 
> > (2)
> 
> Wouldn't it be cheaper a cell-socket + a 30 u$s phone? (how 
> much does a bluetooth capable phone cost?)
> 
> Saludos,
>   HoraPe
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Jay Milk]

As for how BT transmits Audio:

www.bluetooth.org
www.bluez.org

How Linux utilizes Bluetooth:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=linux+bluetooth
www.bluez.org

For how to write a channel, I suppose a seasoned linux programmer would
know by looking at the sources for existing channels.  If I had time,
I'd look, but the learning curve (coming from a PC environment) would be
quite steep.

> -Original Message-
> From: Igor Battiston (BZSolutions) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
> general happiness
> 
> 
> Hi :)
> I have do same test with Nokia 3650 (bluetooth) and Motorola 
> A835 (bluetooth and USB)
> 
> I have do a log of widcomm software and I can setup a coll 
> (is not only a a
> ATDxx)
> Now the problem is the voice
> With bluetooth is possible to use voice-gateway function 
> I'm not a good programmer :(
> 
> But now I don't have the know how to write the channel :)
> 
> 
> Some idea? :)
> 
> -thx-
> Igor
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jay Milk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Asterisk Users Mailing List 
> - Non-Commercial Discussion'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:20 PM
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
> general happiness
> 
> 
> > It's close -- it still requires an FXO port, and is probably not 
> > inexpensive itself.  So between the FXO port and the device, you're 
> > probably in for it at $200 or so.  I can get away cheaper with a 
> > cell-socket.  I'd prefer a bluetooth dongle (1) because of 
> cost, and 
> > (2) because of the sheer elegance of the solution:  No reason to 
> > convert audio back and forth several times, no reason to 
> generate ring 
> > voltage or detect DTMF.  Cell-phone is digital, Asterisk is 
> digital, 
> > let's cut out the analog.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mitchel Constantin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:22 AM
> > > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> > > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general 
> > > happiness
> > >
> > >
> > > Our prayersanswered? (http://www.phonelabs.com/prd_blue01.asp)
> > >
> > > mitchel
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:11 -0500, Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was
> > > looking at
> > > > "cellsockets" -- devices which will accept certain cellular
> > > phones and
> > > > provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and 
> recognizing 
> > > > DTMF, which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO
> > > line.  Pretty
> > > > cool stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth
> > > the cost,
> > > > especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
> > > >
> > > > Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at
> > > cell-sockets again
> > > > recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And
> > > on top of
> > > > that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
> > > >
> > > > I looked at some developer documentation for my particular
> > > phone (S/E
> > > > T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For
> > > those who are
> > > > unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem
> > > commands.  Not
> > > > surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive 
> > > > ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress
> > > information
> > > > via the virtual serial port that the phone provides over
> > > bluetooth.
> > > > But what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a 
> handsfree 
> > > > speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
> > > >
> > > > As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone 
> > > > control, some form of digital audio going back and forth, 
> > > > call-progress reporting.  I know there's at least one
> > > bluetooth stack
> > > > for linux, so
> > > > *technically* we're "there", no?
> > &g

Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[William Suffill]

Interesting. I think either the phonelabs adapter or  cellsocket might
be an interesting idea. We are moving to a biz mobile package I use
iax2 term to fwd to a nextel since it's free inbound but having a cell
on the asterisk box is probably a better fit. Besides on a biz plan w/
tmobile and others you can add a line for $10 on the pooled mins
plans. Very interesting idea
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Igor Battiston (BZSolutions)]

Hi :)
I have do same test with Nokia 3650 (bluetooth) and Motorola A835 (bluetooth
and USB)

I have do a log of widcomm software and I can setup a coll (is not only a a
ATDxx)
Now the problem is the voice
With bluetooth is possible to use voice-gateway function I'm not a good
programmer :(

But now I don't have the know how to write the channel :)


Some idea? :)

-thx-
Igor


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Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness


> It's close -- it still requires an FXO port, and is probably not
> inexpensive itself.  So between the FXO port and the device, you're
> probably in for it at $200 or so.  I can get away cheaper with a
> cell-socket.  I'd prefer a bluetooth dongle (1) because of cost, and (2)
> because of the sheer elegance of the solution:  No reason to convert
> audio back and forth several times, no reason to generate ring voltage
> or detect DTMF.  Cell-phone is digital, Asterisk is digital, let's cut
> out the analog.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mitchel Constantin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:22 AM
> > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and
> > general happiness
> >
> >
> > Our prayersanswered? (http://www.phonelabs.com/prd_blue01.asp)
> >
> > mitchel
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:11 -0500, Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was
> > looking at
> > > "cellsockets" -- devices which will accept certain cellular
> > phones and
> > > provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing
> > > DTMF, which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO
> > line.  Pretty
> > > cool stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth
> > the cost,
> > > especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
> > >
> > > Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at
> > cell-sockets again
> > > recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And
> > on top of
> > > that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
> > >
> > > I looked at some developer documentation for my particular
> > phone (S/E
> > > T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For
> > those who are
> > > unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem
> > commands.  Not
> > > surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive
> > > ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress
> > information
> > > via the virtual serial port that the phone provides over
> > bluetooth.
> > > But what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree
> > > speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
> > >
> > > As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone
> > > control, some form of digital audio going back and forth,
> > > call-progress reporting.  I know there's at least one
> > bluetooth stack
> > > for linux, so
> > > *technically* we're "there", no?
> > >
> > > I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a
> > bluetooth/GSM
> > > cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5
> > > bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
> > >
> > > Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the
> > > community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be
> > > worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
> > >
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Horacio J. Peña]

> cell-socket.  I'd prefer a bluetooth dongle (1) because of cost, and (2)

Wouldn't it be cheaper a cell-socket + a 30 u$s phone? (how much does a
bluetooth capable phone cost?)

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Jay Milk]

It's close -- it still requires an FXO port, and is probably not
inexpensive itself.  So between the FXO port and the device, you're
probably in for it at $200 or so.  I can get away cheaper with a
cell-socket.  I'd prefer a bluetooth dongle (1) because of cost, and (2)
because of the sheer elegance of the solution:  No reason to convert
audio back and forth several times, no reason to generate ring voltage
or detect DTMF.  Cell-phone is digital, Asterisk is digital, let's cut
out the analog.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mitchel Constantin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:22 AM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
> general happiness
> 
> 
> Our prayersanswered? (http://www.phonelabs.com/prd_blue01.asp)
> 
> mitchel
> 
> 
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:11 -0500, Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was 
> looking at 
> > "cellsockets" -- devices which will accept certain cellular 
> phones and 
> > provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing 
> > DTMF, which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO 
> line.  Pretty 
> > cool stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth 
> the cost, 
> > especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
> > 
> > Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at 
> cell-sockets again 
> > recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And 
> on top of 
> > that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
> > 
> > I looked at some developer documentation for my particular 
> phone (S/E
> > T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For 
> those who are 
> > unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem 
> commands.  Not 
> > surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive 
> > ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress 
> information 
> > via the virtual serial port that the phone provides over 
> bluetooth.  
> > But what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree 
> > speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
> > 
> > As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone 
> > control, some form of digital audio going back and forth, 
> > call-progress reporting.  I know there's at least one 
> bluetooth stack 
> > for linux, so
> > *technically* we're "there", no?
> > 
> > I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a 
> bluetooth/GSM 
> > cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5 
> > bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
> > 
> > Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the 
> > community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be 
> > worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
> > 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Mitchel Constantin]

Our prayersanswered? (http://www.phonelabs.com/prd_blue01.asp)

mitchel


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:11 -0500, Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking at
> "cellsockets" -- devices which will accept certain cellular phones and
> provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing DTMF,
> which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty cool
> stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth the cost,
> especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
> 
> Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets again
> recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And on top of
> that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
> 
> I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E
> T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For those who are
> unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem commands.  Not
> surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive
> ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress information via
> the virtual serial port that the phone provides over bluetooth.  But
> what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree
> speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
> 
> As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone control,
> some form of digital audio going back and forth, call-progress
> reporting.  I know there's at least one bluetooth stack for linux, so
> *technically* we're "there", no?
> 
> I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM
> cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5
> bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
> 
> Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the
> community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be
> worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
> 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Andrew Thompson]

Jay Milk wrote:
Wait... So VZW offers this free nationwide plan but you can't use it?  I
think they'd have a difficult time slapping you with a fine just because
you happened to only make/receive calls at home/work for a while.
That's another good reason to move away from Verizon.
Hey, calm down... I haven't read (I monitor wireless forums for fun) 
about anyone actually getting kick/ban'ed or fined for it.

My wife and I use about 200 m2m minutes each between each other during a 
month. I use a little more than that talking to some coworkers.

VZW is the best choice for me. It may not be for anyone else.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Robert Rozman]

Hi,

there is already iax softphone called diax
(http://www.laser.com/dante/diax/diax.html) that can be controlled over
bluetooth on some phones. The thing that is missing is to be able to use
cellular as audio device for softphone (I'm doing this with paired bluetooth
headset - but that is not proper solution).

We already have Audio gateway bluetooth profile that allows redirection from
cellular to PCs sound card, but we would need same in opposite direction -
to use cellular as PCs soundcard on softphone application.

I just wish that bluetooth (headset) support under Linux is better...

Regards,

Robert.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jay Milk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness


> Wait... So VZW offers this free nationwide plan but you can't use it?  I
> think they'd have a difficult time slapping you with a fine just because
> you happened to only make/receive calls at home/work for a while.
> That's another good reason to move away from Verizon.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andrew Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:57 PM
> > To: Joe Antkowiak; Asterisk Users Mailing List -
> > Non-Commercial Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and
> > general happiness
> >
> >
> > Joe Antkowiak wrote:
> > > if you bought a 2 phone no-minute plan with unlimited mobile to
> > > mobile, and used * to connect one of your phones to your
> > unlimited ld
> > > at home, you could essentially get very cheap unlimited mobile
> > > calling...   this was the point I was trying to make...   Yes, it
> > > would be a pain to dial twice, but with all these
> > smartphones and pda
> > > phones out there, it shouldn't be too hard to write something that
> > > could easily talk to * via the mobile to mobile call...
> >
> > Just be careful, my VZW contract states that mobile-to-mobile doesn't
> > apply when one of the lines is "fixed" or makes a majority of
> > it's call
> > from a single cell site.
> >
> > Take the phone out and use it somewhere else a couple of
> > times a month.
>
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Jay Milk]

Wait... So VZW offers this free nationwide plan but you can't use it?  I
think they'd have a difficult time slapping you with a fine just because
you happened to only make/receive calls at home/work for a while.
That's another good reason to move away from Verizon.

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:57 PM
> To: Joe Antkowiak; Asterisk Users Mailing List - 
> Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
> general happiness
> 
> 
> Joe Antkowiak wrote:
> > if you bought a 2 phone no-minute plan with unlimited mobile to 
> > mobile, and used * to connect one of your phones to your 
> unlimited ld 
> > at home, you could essentially get very cheap unlimited mobile
> > calling...   this was the point I was trying to make...   Yes, it
> > would be a pain to dial twice, but with all these 
> smartphones and pda 
> > phones out there, it shouldn't be too hard to write something that 
> > could easily talk to * via the mobile to mobile call...
> 
> Just be careful, my VZW contract states that mobile-to-mobile doesn't 
> apply when one of the lines is "fixed" or makes a majority of 
> it's call 
> from a single cell site.
> 
> Take the phone out and use it somewhere else a couple of 
> times a month.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Andrew Thompson]

Joe Antkowiak wrote:
if you bought a 2 phone no-minute plan with unlimited mobile to
mobile, and used * to connect one of your phones to your unlimited ld
at home, you could essentially get very cheap unlimited mobile
calling...   this was the point I was trying to make...   Yes, it
would be a pain to dial twice, but with all these smartphones and pda
phones out there, it shouldn't be too hard to write something that
could easily talk to * via the mobile to mobile call...
Just be careful, my VZW contract states that mobile-to-mobile doesn't 
apply when one of the lines is "fixed" or makes a majority of it's call 
from a single cell site.

Take the phone out and use it somewhere else a couple of times a month.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Jon Radon]

This has been discussed numerous times an gone no where.  I agree
though, having my cell line ring my Asterisk extension would be ideal.
 That way I only have to lug one phone when I'm home.  Question
though, would chan_btp interfere with such a contraption?


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:24:18 -0500, Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The implications are great, aren't they?  We have three T-Mo phones on a
> family plan, so that could come in handy, although my main motivation is
> just the convenience factor.  In addition, our phones are all set up for
> CCF to one of our VOIP lines, which is "nearly free" on T-Mo.  You
> basically receive a bucket of 500 CCF minutes which each line.  With the
> proper setup, the channel could be advised to dispose of incoming calls
> by declaring the phone busy, thus forcing it to CCF to a homeline, and
> not using up cell minutes for those calls.  During free nights/weekends,
> the cellular phone could be the preferred long-distnace carrier... It's
> endless.
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Jay Milk]

The implications are great, aren't they?  We have three T-Mo phones on a
family plan, so that could come in handy, although my main motivation is
just the convenience factor.  In addition, our phones are all set up for
CCF to one of our VOIP lines, which is "nearly free" on T-Mo.  You
basically receive a bucket of 500 CCF minutes which each line.  With the
proper setup, the channel could be advised to dispose of incoming calls
by declaring the phone busy, thus forcing it to CCF to a homeline, and
not using up cell minutes for those calls.  During free nights/weekends,
the cellular phone could be the preferred long-distnace carrier... It's
endless.

> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Antkowiak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:52 PM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and 
> general happiness
> 
> 
> if you bought a 2 phone no-minute plan with unlimited mobile 
> to mobile, and used * to connect one of your phones to your 
> unlimited ld at home, you could essentially get very cheap 
> unlimited mobile
> calling...   this was the point I was trying to make...   Yes, it
> would be a pain to dial twice, but with all these smartphones 
> and pda phones out there, it shouldn't be too hard to write 
> something that could easily talk to * via the mobile to mobile call...
> 
> 
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:43:41 -0500, Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Even better... Come home, leave the phone in the car knowing your 
> > bluetooth gateway is only a few feet away dangling down from the 
> > garage ceiling :)  I already have bluetooth handsfree in 
> the car, and 
> > it's sweet -- no more missed calls due leaving the phone on vibrate.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:33 PM
> > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general 
> > happiness
> > 
> > Interesting
> > 
> > We use primicell's (nokia 22's) to break out mobile phone 
> traffic at 
> > the office. I know these are more like full blown mobile 
> phones that u 
> > plug directly into the pbx but similar idea. Would be cool 
> to have a 
> > home version to allow u to get similar functionality by 
> just putting 
> > your bluetooth mobile near your asterisk server ;-)
> > 
> > ie. Come home, plonk phone down. walk off to another room - 
> girlfriend 
> > calls, asterisk picks it up and rings all phones in house... no 
> > annoying ear bashing about why I didnt take my mobile with 
> me and when 
> > I call her I can do so on my dirt cheap mobile-mobile rate :-)
> > 
> > On a similar note - has anyone got asterisk to work with the 
> > nokia/sony PCMCIA GSM (or even 3G?) cards? - 3G would open up the 
> > Videophone thing through asterisk - sure there is a very good 
> > technical reason why that wouldnt work!!!
> > 
> > Sam
> > 
> > Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 23/09/2004 18:10:11:
> > 
> > > When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was 
> looking at 
> > > "cellsockets" -- devices which will accept certain 
> cellular phones 
> > > and
> > 
> > > provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing
> > DTMF,
> > > which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty 
> > > cool stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be 
> worth the cost, 
> > > especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
> > >
> > > Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets 
> > > again
> > 
> > > recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... 
> And on top 
> > > of that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
> > >
> > > I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone 
> > > (S/E
> > > T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For 
> those who are
> > > unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem 
> commands.  Not
> > 
> > > surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive 
> > > ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress 
> information
> > via
> > > the virtual serial port that the phone provides over 
> bluetooth.  But 
> > > what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree 
> >

Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Chris Lee]

Joe Antkowiak wrote:
There are quite a number of positive (for end users) implications of
doing this too...  just think about all those cell providers that
offer unlimited mobile to mobile calls, and then all those unlimited
LD packages from landline and voip providers.  This has huge potential
for people who use their cell phones alot...

Then make sure the channel allows you to: pool devices, set free minutes 
on each device,and have preference for devices with remaining free 
minutes, thus sharing the calls between my phone and that of my wife.

An IAX/(sip if it must) softphone with appropriate extensions to work 
with bluetooth devices could provide a solution without having a 
Bluetooth dongle in the PABX.

Chris.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Mitchel Constantin]

This is a great idea, I've got that phone and it really would be an
amazing feature, I have a really nice asterisk system set up in my
house and a $10/month broadvoice line, but linking everything together
would definately be a really nice touch. I've got $15 towards a bounty
;).

mitchel


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:54:53 +0200, Andy Powell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On 23/09/2004 at 13:36 Joe Antkowiak wrote:
> 
> >There are quite a number of positive (for end users) implications of
> >doing this too...  just think about all those cell providers that
> >offer unlimited mobile to mobile calls, and then all those unlimited
> >LD packages from landline and voip providers.  This has huge potential
> >for people who use their cell phones alot...
> >
> Not to mention the fact that you wont be microwaving your brain...
> 
> :D
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Andy Powell]

On 23/09/2004 at 13:36 Joe Antkowiak wrote:

>There are quite a number of positive (for end users) implications of
>doing this too...  just think about all those cell providers that
>offer unlimited mobile to mobile calls, and then all those unlimited
>LD packages from landline and voip providers.  This has huge potential
>for people who use their cell phones alot...
>
Not to mention the fact that you wont be microwaving your brain...

:D

Andy


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Joe Antkowiak]

if you bought a 2 phone no-minute plan with unlimited mobile to
mobile, and used * to connect one of your phones to your unlimited ld
at home, you could essentially get very cheap unlimited mobile
calling...   this was the point I was trying to make...   Yes, it
would be a pain to dial twice, but with all these smartphones and pda
phones out there, it shouldn't be too hard to write something that
could easily talk to * via the mobile to mobile call...


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:43:41 -0500, Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even better... Come home, leave the phone in the car knowing your
> bluetooth gateway is only a few feet away dangling down from the garage
> ceiling :)  I already have bluetooth handsfree in the car, and it's
> sweet -- no more missed calls due leaving the phone on vibrate.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:33 PM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general
> happiness
> 
> Interesting
> 
> We use primicell's (nokia 22's) to break out mobile phone traffic at the
> office. I know these are more like full blown mobile phones that u plug
> directly into the pbx but similar idea. Would be cool to have a home
> version to allow u to get similar functionality by just putting your
> bluetooth mobile near your asterisk server ;-)
> 
> ie. Come home, plonk phone down. walk off to another room - girlfriend
> calls, asterisk picks it up and rings all phones in house... no annoying
> ear bashing about why I didnt take my mobile with me and when I call her
> I can do so on my dirt cheap mobile-mobile rate :-)
> 
> On a similar note - has anyone got asterisk to work with the nokia/sony
> PCMCIA GSM (or even 3G?) cards? - 3G would open up the Videophone thing
> through asterisk - sure there is a very good technical reason why that
> wouldnt work!!!
> 
> Sam
> 
> Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 23/09/2004 18:10:11:
> 
> > When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking at
> > "cellsockets" -- devices which will accept certain cellular phones and
> 
> > provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing
> DTMF,
> > which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty cool
> > stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth the cost,
> > especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
> >
> > Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets again
> 
> > recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And on top of
> > that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
> >
> > I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E
> > T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For those who are
> > unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem commands.  Not
> 
> > surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive
> > ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress information
> via
> > the virtual serial port that the phone provides over bluetooth.  But
> > what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree
> > speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
> >
> > As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone
> control,
> > some form of digital audio going back and forth, call-progress
> > reporting.  I know there's at least one bluetooth stack for linux, so
> > *technically* we're "there", no?
> >
> > I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM
> > cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5
> > bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
> >
> > Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the
> > community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be
> > worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
> >
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Jay Milk]

Even better... Come home, leave the phone in the car knowing your
bluetooth gateway is only a few feet away dangling down from the garage
ceiling :)  I already have bluetooth handsfree in the car, and it's
sweet -- no more missed calls due leaving the phone on vibrate.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:33 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general
happiness



Interesting 

We use primicell's (nokia 22's) to break out mobile phone traffic at the
office. I know these are more like full blown mobile phones that u plug
directly into the pbx but similar idea. Would be cool to have a home
version to allow u to get similar functionality by just putting your
bluetooth mobile near your asterisk server ;-) 

ie. Come home, plonk phone down. walk off to another room - girlfriend
calls, asterisk picks it up and rings all phones in house... no annoying
ear bashing about why I didnt take my mobile with me and when I call her
I can do so on my dirt cheap mobile-mobile rate :-) 

On a similar note - has anyone got asterisk to work with the nokia/sony
PCMCIA GSM (or even 3G?) cards? - 3G would open up the Videophone thing
through asterisk - sure there is a very good technical reason why that
wouldnt work!!! 

Sam 


Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 23/09/2004 18:10:11:

> When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking at 
> "cellsockets" -- devices which will accept certain cellular phones and

> provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing
DTMF, 
> which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty cool 
> stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth the cost, 
> especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone. 
> 
> Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets again

> recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And on top of 
> that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *. 
> 
> I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E 
> T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For those who are 
> unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem commands.  Not

> surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive 
> ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress information
via 
> the virtual serial port that the phone provides over bluetooth.  But 
> what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree 
> speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth. 
> 
> As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone
control, 
> some form of digital audio going back and forth, call-progress 
> reporting.  I know there's at least one bluetooth stack for linux, so 
> *technically* we're "there", no? 
> 
> I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM 
> cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5 
> bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air. 
> 
> Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the 
> community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be 
> worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality. 
> 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Joe Antkowiak]

There are quite a number of positive (for end users) implications of
doing this too...  just think about all those cell providers that
offer unlimited mobile to mobile calls, and then all those unlimited
LD packages from landline and voip providers.  This has huge potential
for people who use their cell phones alot...


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:10:11 -0500, Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking at
> "cellsockets" -- devices which will accept certain cellular phones and
> provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing DTMF,
> which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty cool
> stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth the cost,
> especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.
> 
> Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets again
> recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And on top of
> that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.
> 
> I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E
> T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For those who are
> unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem commands.  Not
> surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive
> ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress information via
> the virtual serial port that the phone provides over bluetooth.  But
> what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree
> speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
> 
> As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone control,
> some form of digital audio going back and forth, call-progress
> reporting.  I know there's at least one bluetooth stack for linux, so
> *technically* we're "there", no?
> 
> I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM
> cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5
> bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
> 
> Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the
> community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be
> worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
> 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[slwatts]

Interesting 

We use primicell's (nokia 22's) to break
out mobile phone traffic at the office. I know these are more like full
blown mobile phones that u plug directly into the pbx but similar idea.
Would be cool to have a home version to allow u to get similar functionality
by just putting your bluetooth mobile near your asterisk server ;-)

ie. Come home, plonk phone down. walk
off to another room - girlfriend calls, asterisk picks it up and rings
all phones in house... no annoying ear bashing about why I didnt take my
mobile with me and when I call her I can do so on my dirt cheap mobile-mobile
rate :-)

On a similar note - has anyone got asterisk
to work with the nokia/sony PCMCIA GSM (or even 3G?) cards? - 3G would
open up the Videophone thing through asterisk - sure there is a very good
technical reason why that wouldnt work!!!

Sam


Jay Milk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 23/09/2004
18:10:11:

> When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking
at
> "cellsockets" -- devices which will
accept certain cellular phones and
> provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage
and recognizing DTMF,
> which in turn makes your cell-phone look like
a CO line.  Pretty cool
> stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to
be worth the cost,
> especially since it locks you to a particular
cell-phone.
> 
> Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets
again
> recently, but they haven't really gotten any
cheaper... And on top of
> that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface
for *.
> 
> I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E
> T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.
 For those who are
> unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of
AT modem commands.  Not
> surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well
as receive
> ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress
information via
> the virtual serial port that the phone provides
over bluetooth.  But
> what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC
as a handsfree
> speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.
> 
> As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone control,
> some form of digital audio going back and forth,
call-progress
> reporting.  I know there's at least one
bluetooth stack for linux, so
> *technically* we're "there", no?
> 
> I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM
> cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing
more than a $5
> bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.
> 
> Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the
> community, I'll be the first to add a bounty
on this -- it would be
> worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.
> 
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[Asterisk-Users] GSM phones, bluetooth and general happiness

[Jay Milk]

When I installed my first home-PBX three years ago, I was looking at
"cellsockets" -- devices which will accept certain cellular phones and
provide an RJ11 jack, generating the ring-voltage and recognizing DTMF,
which in turn makes your cell-phone look like a CO line.  Pretty cool
stuff, in theory, but it just didn't seem to be worth the cost,
especially since it locks you to a particular cell-phone.

Since then, I've moved to Asterisk.  I looked at at cell-sockets again
recently, but they haven't really gotten any cheaper... And on top of
that, I'd now require a precious FXO interface for *.

I looked at some developer documentation for my particular phone (S/E
T610) while connecting it to my PC via Bluetooth.  For those who are
unaware, all GSM phones have a built-in set of AT modem commands.  Not
surprisingly, I was able to place calls as well as receive
ring-indicators, caller-id information and call-progress information via
the virtual serial port that the phone provides over bluetooth.  But
what's more, I was also able to utilize my PC as a handsfree
speakerphone -- and all this over bluetooth.

As I see it, all the pieces are available -- we got full phone control,
some form of digital audio going back and forth, call-progress
reporting.  I know there's at least one bluetooth stack for linux, so
*technically* we're "there", no?

I foresee a chan_blue which allow Asterisk to utilize a bluetooth/GSM
cellular phone as a CO line, connecting by nothing more than a $5
bluetooth dongle and 5ft of air.

Who's up for the challenge?  If there's enough interest in the
community, I'll be the first to add a bounty on this -- it would be
worth at least $100 to me to have this functionality.

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