Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
Mark Spencer wrote: The Asterisk community is growing at a remarkable pace. I know there are thousands of you out there -- in fact there are over eight *thousand* subscribers to asterisk-users alone, and almost one *thousand* registered users on the bug tracker. This means that everything anyone write to this mailing list, is sent to over 8.000 mailboxes that is already flowing over with messages. I would like to stress the fact that you have to think before you send a message to such a big list. Do *not* send out personal replies on the list. If you offer services to someone, do *not* CC: or reply to the list, it will annoy more potential customers than get you new customers. If you send out a message by mistake, you don't have to apologize to all of us, we understand you're embarassed. We will get more annoyed by your apology than over your first message. Because of the traffic, I'm several weeks behind of reading all messages, and I'm consider this a very important list for me. We need to get the volume down and quality up. I'm at loss on how. * Advice for the archives and for newbies to the list * The wiki project have grown into an important knowledge base for the project, with several contributors and a few "wiki marshals" that clear up the layout, add links and remove duplicates. Go there to find your answer first, then search the mailing list archives (http://search.voip-forum.com) and then go to the IRC channel. Finally, if you don't find the answer elsewhere, try the list. * More todo's * There was a handbook-next-generation project that is now hibernating. We need that project to move forward. More contributors, more editors. Coming back to my favorite subject: The asterisk.org web site needs to be changed so we can point to all resources in a better way and guide the members to the community in a nice and friendly way. Maybe there's other ideas out there that we need to discuss again. And no, web-based-forums has already been proved to be of no help and has been discussed several times. To make all the mistakes at one time: * Sorry for this message, I've sent several similar messages before. * My apologies for the apology to the list * Please help me configure a SIP URI in the Zap channel over MGCP trunks, with optional early-dial musiconhold and Enum support for my www address, anyone!!!?? /O ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
Olle E. Johansson wrote: Do *not* send out personal replies on the list. Yes! Yes!! Yes!!! Let's change the way the list software works so people won't get hammered by replying and rid this list of that pox once and for all. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
Brian Capouch wrote: Olle E. Johansson wrote: Do *not* send out personal replies on the list. Yes! Yes!! Yes!!! Let's change the way the list software works so people won't get hammered by replying and rid this list of that pox once and for all. B. The biggest problem with having replies go back to the original poster instead of the list is that on one else will be able to learn from the answers to question that was asked, and the mailing list archives will become useless as a source for information.. If that were the case a web forum would then become a better solution as a pure support resource .. and I hate web forums.. :) Later.. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
WipeOut wrote: The biggest problem with having replies go back to the original poster instead of the list is that on one else will be able to learn from the answers to question that was asked, and the mailing list archives will become useless as a source for information.. That's why Internet email evolved "Reply" and "Reply All" as distinct functions, and IMO a person should be able to intuitively understand that distinction and use it to the mutual advantage of all. That's my gripe against the way it works now. Thanks. I'll shut up now and save list bandwidth. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
On Friday 19 March 2004 02:16, Brian Capouch wrote: > Olle E. Johansson wrote: > > Do *not* send out personal replies on the list. > > Yes! Yes!! Yes!!! > > Let's change the way the list software works so people won't get > hammered by replying and rid this list of that pox once and for > all. No, no, no. Then everytime somebody hits "Reply All", the poster gets two messages: one from the poster, one from the listserv. And subsequent reply-all's add to this problem. Let's not make the situation worse. -Tilghman ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Friday 19 March 2004 02:16, Brian Capouch wrote: Olle E. Johansson wrote: Do *not* send out personal replies on the list. Yes! Yes!! Yes!!! Let's change the way the list software works so people won't get hammered by replying and rid this list of that pox once and for all. No, no, no. Then everytime somebody hits "Reply All", the poster gets two messages: one from the poster, one from the listserv. And subsequent reply-all's add to this problem. Let's not make the situation worse. Big deal. One extra email is generated if the user is sloppy or forgetful. In the present case SEVEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED NINETY NINE needless emails are sent. It is incredible to me that people think this current behavior is superior--so often there are embarassing gaffes, and always needless traffic to the list. . . B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
How about using a web form for posts instead of replying to an e-mail? A link in each e-mail would take you to the page for posting to that thread, and there could also be links available to people reading the archives, so they could post. This would eliminate accidental posts and HTML posts. It would also allow people to post from digests, which I haven't figured out how to do with the present system, and put everything in a common format, independent of the various e-mail clients used. Finally, I would suggest no branches within a thread. Each new post should simply go on the end of the thread, and the entire thread should be displayed on a single page in the archive. This would eliminate lots of duplicate material. People could still snip a little bit from a previous post if they need to reference it. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Capouch Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject) Tilghman Lesher wrote: > On Friday 19 March 2004 02:16, Brian Capouch wrote: > >>Olle E. Johansson wrote: >> >>> Do *not* send out personal replies on the list. >> >>Yes! Yes!! Yes!!! >> >>Let's change the way the list software works so people won't get >>hammered by replying and rid this list of that pox once and for >>all. > > > No, no, no. Then everytime somebody hits "Reply All", the poster gets > two messages: one from the poster, one from the listserv. And > subsequent reply-all's add to this problem. Let's not make the > situation worse. > Big deal. One extra email is generated if the user is sloppy or forgetful. In the present case SEVEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED NINETY NINE needless emails are sent. It is incredible to me that people think this current behavior is superior--so often there are embarassing gaffes, and always needless traffic to the list. . . B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
> How about using a web form for posts instead of replying to an e-mail? A How about not. Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
a news group could be less flood Miguel On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 19:00, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: > > How about using a web form for posts instead of replying to an e-mail? A > > How about not. > > Regards, > Andrew > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
G'day, On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Brian Capouch wrote: > It is incredible to me that people think this current behavior is > superior--so often there are embarassing gaffes, and always needless > traffic to the list. . . I'd suggest using an intelligent mailer instead of trying to force the list into a non-conventional mode of operation. My mailer asks me whether to use the Sender address or the Reply-To address when replying. This way, I know whether I'm replying to the list or sending an off-list reply to the sender. EVERY other mailing list I use sets Reply-To to the list address. If the asterisk lists change, then I'll be increasing the chance of so-called "embarrassing gaffes" by not remembering how the list I'm posting to this minute operates. Besides, the times I've seen such gaffes from mailing list users, it serves to remind that user to take more care when directing messages (yes, including when I've done it myself). Lastly, to change the default mode of operation in the way you suggest is somewhat anti-community: don't share the information unless you specifically remember to. In case it's not obvious, I vote for no change ;-) Cheers, Vic Cross ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
As I started this trend I take the right to end it. I just want us to follow John Postel's rule for how to act on the Internet (I think he defined it for TCP/IP software, but it can be applied here too.) Be strict in what you send Be generous in what you accept Sending a reply to the list might not always be the best choice if it's a personal matter, a quote for services or something. But we still want all tips and tricks, solutions and suggestions flowing on the list. The list archives is a valuable resource for those of us trying to write documentation, find bugs and solve bugs. We don't want those messages to go in private channels. This case is closed. However, there *A LOT* of open cases on http://bugs.digium.com that we need your help in solving. If you do not feel that you can assist in bug-hunting, you can assist in testing additions to Asterisk (patches) and make comments. Keep bugs.digium.com cooking. We need to kill bugs in order to reache the 1.0 release soon. If you have questions and need help navigating bugs, find a bug marshal on irc. They're listed on the front page of the bug tracker. Thank you for your help and assistance in getting closer to a 1.0 release! /Olle ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Important: The Asterisk Mailing list (new subject)
> EVERY other mailing list I use sets Reply-To to the list address. If the > asterisk lists change, then I'll be increasing the chance of so-called > "embarrassing gaffes" by not remembering how the list I'm posting to this > minute operates. Besides, the times I've seen such gaffes from mailing > list users, it serves to remind that user to take more care when directing > messages (yes, including when I've done it myself). That's an interesting data point Vic, thanks. I just did a quick survey of the multitude of mailing lists I'm on (a lot of technical discussion forums, like IETF etc), and NONE of them implement Reply-to munging. Perhaps we run in different circles ;-) Anyway, I'll let this thread die now. Thanks for your feedback. -Darren -- Darren Nickerson Senior Sales & Support Engineer iFAX Solutions, Inc. www.ifax.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.215.438.4638 ext 8106 office +1.215.243.8335 fax ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
