[Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
I have a T3 coming from my carrier. From there I want to use an Adtran mx2800 T1 Mux to break the T3 into 28 T1/PRI which feed into seven quad T1/PRI equipped servers. Everything seems very straight forward with the exception of the D channels for the T1/PRI. I am not very familiar with large circuits such as T3s. I know that I can use one D channel per set of quad port on each server. So if each server has a quad port card, I can use one channel as the D channel for all four spans. That gives me seven D channels in my setup. Does anyone know how the Mux handles these D channels onto the T3? My guess is the Mux is simple going to send all of the channels onto the T3 without modifying anything. What I would really like to do is have one D channel coming in on the T3 and have it split between each of the T1/PRI or even better one D channel per quad (I know Asterisk can do that). Is it possible? If the Adtran mx2800 cannot do it, is there anther product that can. I have looked at the RAD Optimux T3 product but have had great experience with Adtran products. The price is the same but the Adtran allows for two controller cards so it seems to have more built in redundancy. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
On 1/22/06, Steve Totaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a T3 coming from my carrier. From there I want to use an Adtran > mx2800 T1 Mux to break the T3 into 28 T1/PRI which feed into seven quad > T1/PRI equipped servers. > > Everything seems very straight forward with the exception of the D > channels for the T1/PRI. > > I am not very familiar with large circuits such as T3s. I know that I > can use one D channel per set of quad port on each server. So if each > server has a quad port card, I can use one channel as the D channel for > all four spans. > > That gives me seven D channels in my setup. Does anyone know how the > Mux handles these D channels onto the T3? My guess is the Mux is simple > going to send all of the channels onto the T3 without modifying > anything. > > What I would really like to do is have one D channel coming in on the T3 > and have it split between each of the T1/PRI or even better one D > channel per quad (I know Asterisk can do that). > > Is it possible? If the Adtran mx2800 cannot do it, is there anther > product that can. I have looked at the RAD Optimux T3 product but have > had great experience with Adtran products. The price is the same but > the Adtran allows for two controller cards so it seems to have more > built in redundancy. > I haven't any experience with the Adtran mux product line, but have done a good amount of work with Carrier Access Corp muxes. With most DS3 muxes, all they are doing is muxing down a DS3 into DS1's. So, you could be running E&M or PRI through the muxes and you really don't change anything on your mux because that's the application running within the loop. The mux doesn't care about that. You're not going to be able to have one D channel for the entire mux - well - you could - but then you'd need a machine that accepted signaling for the entire trunk group and that's going to be somewhat difficult with Asterisk and most intel server machines at this point. Just keep in mind when you group all of your DS1s on a quad port card into one D channel, if you lose the loop that's within that D channel, you've now lost signaling for all 4 of the DS1s in the group. This may or may not be a problem for you. If you've got a CLEC that's delivering that DS3 loop to your location by means of LEC leased access, you shouldn't assume that your DS3 stays a DS3 through from pt A to pt B. There were more than a couple times I had seen DS1's fail inside of DS3's at a prior job and it turned out to be something with a LEC's DACs or something else. -- Bird's The Word Technologies, Inc. http://www.btwtech.com/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
Your mux will split the DS3 into 28 DS1 (T1) circuits. They are numbered 1 - 28. You tell your carrier how and where to assign the D channels. The mux does not have anything to do with D channels or signaling; the telco's ISDN switch does. A simple setup would have a D channel on every DS1 based PRI. That is 23 B channels and 1 D channel. The B channels carry voice and the D handles the call set-up. When you assign a D channel to handle more than one PRI it is called NFAS (Non-Facility Associated Signaling) and you are creating an NFAS Group. It is also common practice to create a backup D channel for each group in case there is a failure with the primary D channel. I am not sure how Digium or Sangoma cards and drivers handle NFAS but that is probably what you should be looking at and communicating that to your carrier. Tom At 07:42 AM 1/22/2006, you wrote: I have a T3 coming from my carrier. From there I want to use an Adtran mx2800 T1 Mux to break the T3 into 28 T1/PRI which feed into seven quad T1/PRI equipped servers. Everything seems very straight forward with the exception of the D channels for the T1/PRI. I am not very familiar with large circuits such as T3s. I know that I can use one D channel per set of quad port on each server. So if each server has a quad port card, I can use one channel as the D channel for all four spans. That gives me seven D channels in my setup. Does anyone know how the Mux handles these D channels onto the T3? My guess is the Mux is simple going to send all of the channels onto the T3 without modifying anything. What I would really like to do is have one D channel coming in on the T3 and have it split between each of the T1/PRI or even better one D channel per quad (I know Asterisk can do that). Is it possible? If the Adtran mx2800 cannot do it, is there anther product that can. I have looked at the RAD Optimux T3 product but have had great experience with Adtran products. The price is the same but the Adtran allows for two controller cards so it seems to have more built in redundancy. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
Thanks for some answers, that is what I thought. Asterisk is NFAS capable so I am looking at seven D channels on the T3 I guess. I don't want to put a D channel on each T1 or I will lose several channels that could be used for calls. I wonder if there is any way that Asterisk can do NFAS across multiple servers. I would put two cards in a box but they will be doing g729 transcoding so I don't want to push it, so it is one per server. Thanks, Steve > > Your mux will split the DS3 into 28 DS1 (T1) circuits. They are > numbered 1 - 28. You tell your carrier how and where to assign the D > channels. The mux does not have anything to do with D channels or > signaling; the telco's ISDN switch does. > > A simple setup would have a D channel on every DS1 based PRI. That > is 23 B channels and 1 D channel. The B channels carry voice and the > D handles the call set-up. When you assign a D channel to handle > more than one PRI it is called NFAS (Non-Facility Associated > Signaling) and you are creating an NFAS Group. It is also common > practice to create a backup D channel for each group in case there is > a failure with the primary D channel. > > I am not sure how Digium or Sangoma cards and drivers handle NFAS but > that is probably what you should be looking at and communicating that > to your carrier. > > Tom > > At 07:42 AM 1/22/2006, you wrote: > >I have a T3 coming from my carrier. From there I want to use an Adtran > >mx2800 T1 Mux to break the T3 into 28 T1/PRI which feed into seven quad > >T1/PRI equipped servers. > > > >Everything seems very straight forward with the exception of the D > >channels for the T1/PRI. > > > >I am not very familiar with large circuits such as T3s. I know that I > >can use one D channel per set of quad port on each server. So if each > >server has a quad port card, I can use one channel as the D channel for > >all four spans. > > > >That gives me seven D channels in my setup. Does anyone know how the > >Mux handles these D channels onto the T3? My guess is the Mux is simple > >going to send all of the channels onto the T3 without modifying > >anything. > > > >What I would really like to do is have one D channel coming in on the T3 > >and have it split between each of the T1/PRI or even better one D > >channel per quad (I know Asterisk can do that). > > > >Is it possible? If the Adtran mx2800 cannot do it, is there anther > >product that can. I have looked at the RAD Optimux T3 product but have > >had great experience with Adtran products. The price is the same but > >the Adtran allows for two controller cards so it seems to have more > >built in redundancy. > > > >Any tips would be appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > >Steve > >___ > >--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > > >Asterisk-Users mailing list > >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006, Steve Totaro wrote: > I have a T3 coming from my carrier. From there I want to use an Adtran > mx2800 T1 Mux to break the T3 into 28 T1/PRI which feed into seven quad > T1/PRI equipped servers. > > Everything seems very straight forward with the exception of the D > channels for the T1/PRI. > > I am not very familiar with large circuits such as T3s. I know that I > can use one D channel per set of quad port on each server. So if each > server has a quad port card, I can use one channel as the D channel for > all four spans. > > That gives me seven D channels in my setup. Does anyone know how the > Mux handles these D channels onto the T3? My guess is the Mux is simple > going to send all of the channels onto the T3 without modifying > anything. That's correct. The T1 spans on the DS3 are completely independent of the clocking on the DS3. The D-channel and timing is something that will be handled by your upstream Telco and the switch that you'll be connecting to. Or, your own box.. ;) > What I would really like to do is have one D channel coming in on the T3 > and have it split between each of the T1/PRI or even better one D > channel per quad (I know Asterisk can do that). > > Is it possible? No. > If the Adtran mx2800 cannot do it, is there anther > product that can. I have looked at the RAD Optimux T3 product but have > had great experience with Adtran products. The price is the same but > the Adtran allows for two controller cards so it seems to have more > built in redundancy. > > Any tips would be appreciated. Adtran's MX-2800 is our choice for Muxes. They are solid, reliable and work well. Adtran's technical support is amazing. When you purchase an MX-2800, you are immediately given access to the Adtran Carrier support group, which doesn't even blink about sending out an advance replacement unit overnight if you ask. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006, Steve Totaro wrote: > Thanks for some answers, that is what I thought. > > Asterisk is NFAS capable so I am looking at seven D channels on the T3 I > guess. I don't want to put a D channel on each T1 or I will lose > several channels that could be used for calls. > > I wonder if there is any way that Asterisk can do NFAS across multiple > servers. I would put two cards in a box but they will be doing g729 > transcoding so I don't want to push it, so it is one per server. Hehehe.. Ask your Telco if they can provision E1 for you. ;) The Digium cards can handle E1 or T1, and if you go E1 you'll get 30 channels instead of 24 on the span. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
I am unsure of * capabilities on NFAS (we do not use PCs to terminate any PRIs), but it allows bonding of desparate PRIs to use a single d-channel. ie, you can have 1 d-channel (optional backups) for the entire DS3. Not sure if * can communicate across cards like that in the same bus though. On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 23:42 -0500, Greg Boehnlein wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jan 2006, Steve Totaro wrote: > > > I have a T3 coming from my carrier. From there I want to use an Adtran > > mx2800 T1 Mux to break the T3 into 28 T1/PRI which feed into seven quad > > T1/PRI equipped servers. > > > > Everything seems very straight forward with the exception of the D > > channels for the T1/PRI. > > > > I am not very familiar with large circuits such as T3s. I know that I > > can use one D channel per set of quad port on each server. So if each > > server has a quad port card, I can use one channel as the D channel for > > all four spans. > > > > That gives me seven D channels in my setup. Does anyone know how the > > Mux handles these D channels onto the T3? My guess is the Mux is simple > > going to send all of the channels onto the T3 without modifying > > anything. > > That's correct. The T1 spans on the DS3 are completely independent of the > clocking on the DS3. The D-channel and timing is something that will be > handled by your upstream Telco and the switch that you'll be connecting > to. Or, your own box.. ;) > > > What I would really like to do is have one D channel coming in on the T3 > > and have it split between each of the T1/PRI or even better one D > > channel per quad (I know Asterisk can do that). > > > > Is it possible? > > No. > > > If the Adtran mx2800 cannot do it, is there anther > > product that can. I have looked at the RAD Optimux T3 product but have > > had great experience with Adtran products. The price is the same but > > the Adtran allows for two controller cards so it seems to have more > > built in redundancy. > > > > Any tips would be appreciated. > > Adtran's MX-2800 is our choice for Muxes. They are solid, reliable and > work well. Adtran's technical support is amazing. When you purchase an > MX-2800, you are immediately given access to the Adtran Carrier support > group, which doesn't even blink about sending out an advance replacement > unit overnight if you ask. > ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
Greg Boehnlein wrote: (Steve Totaro wrote:) What I would really like to do is have one D channel coming in on the T3 and have it split between each of the T1/PRI or even better one D channel per quad (I know Asterisk can do that). Is it possible? No. Actually, it is, using an Adtran Atlas with a DS3 interface and DS1 interfaces. Not cheap, but possible. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
Greg Boehnlein wrote: Hehehe.. Ask your Telco if they can provision E1 for you. ;) The Digium cards can handle E1 or T1, and if you go E1 you'll get 30 channels instead of 24 on the span. I have talked to a number of telcos in the US about this... they don't have the ability to do it. Ignoring the NI-2 vs. EuroISDN issue (Asterisk can easily run NI-2 over an E1, some switches cannot), their networks _cannot_ handle a 2.048MHz span. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
Greg Oliver wrote: I am unsure of * capabilities on NFAS (we do not use PCs to terminate any PRIs), but it allows bonding of desparate PRIs to use a single d-channel. ie, you can have 1 d-channel (optional backups) for the entire DS3. Not sure if * can communicate across cards like that in the same bus though. At the moment Asterisk cannot do NFAS across multiple servers, but Matt F and I have been discussing a possible method for doing it. Don't be surprised if it shows up in the development branch in the near future :-) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Greg Boehnlein wrote: Hehehe.. Ask your Telco if they can provision E1 for you. ;) The Digium cards can handle E1 or T1, and if you go E1 you'll get 30 channels instead of 24 on the span. I have talked to a number of telcos in the US about this... they don't have the ability to do it. Ignoring the NI-2 vs. EuroISDN issue (Asterisk can easily run NI-2 over an E1, some switches cannot), their networks _cannot_ handle a 2.048MHz span. Actually every US made switch I've ever seen is 2.048MHz to the core. They then rate change to the T1s. It makes export easier to handle. Any mixof E1/2/3.. or T1/2/3.. cards will just plug in and go timing wise. The issue is probably more of not being set up for mixed ulaw/Alaw working. I don't think anyone is really set up for that within the switch. Regards, Steve ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
Steve Underwood wrote: Actually every US made switch I've ever seen is 2.048MHz to the core. They then rate change to the T1s. It makes export easier to handle. Any mixof E1/2/3.. or T1/2/3.. cards will just plug in and go timing wise. The issue is probably more of not being set up for mixed ulaw/Alaw working. I don't think anyone is really set up for that within the switch. It's not the switches, it's the DACS/mux/SONET networks they are attached to for span delivery to the customers. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] T3 Mux and Asterisk Question
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: > Greg Boehnlein wrote: > > (Steve Totaro wrote:) > > >>What I would really like to do is have one D channel coming in on the T3 > >>and have it split between each of the T1/PRI or even better one D > >>channel per quad (I know Asterisk can do that). > >> > >>Is it possible? > > > > > > No. > > Actually, it is, using an Adtran Atlas with a DS3 interface and DS1 > interfaces. Not cheap, but possible. Yeah, but he's already stated that he will be using MX2800 muxes. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
