Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
On 10/09/2012 07:40 AM, Steve Underwood wrote: On 10/09/2012 12:28 AM, Brett Lehrer wrote: How many fax and voice calls (which codecs for tha latter ones ?) are on average using your DSL line ? 1. Previously, I experienced failures during the process of converting incoming PDF documents into ready-to-send fax image files while the reverse process (from a fax file into a PDF or whatever document) never failed. I would be curious to check if a greater failure rate for outbound faxing (greater than inbound faxing failure rate) could simply comes from image processing, before any transmission. 2. Though your DSL line may have enough bandwidth from your location to its DSLAM, chances are packets are dropped or delivered too late for T.38 faxing. An interesting test would be to use an Asterisk PBX hosted somewhere at "close range" from netVortex fax gateways : that would remove most networking issues out of the equation. I'll have to look more closely into what codecs we traditionally use, but g.722 up and ulaw down is common. Generally don't have more than 2-3 calls active at once. At most, 5, and that's a rarity. Record for fax is 4 simultaneous send/receive, but typically just 1, maybe 2. I imagine that's encroaching on the upper limits of the 768 kbps upspeed. I've wondered about how lag might impact the problem but I just don't know how I'd go about testing it properly without spending a bunch of money on hosting. I do my PDF -> TIFF conversion on another machine with ghostscript. Here's the line: gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -dSAFER -sDEVICE=tiffg4 -sOutputFile= -f I changed from tiffg3 to tiffg4 because the filesize got cut in half assuming that the less time spent transmitting, the less chance there was to run into a problem that might stop the fax. However, most failures that I've looked at seem to occur immediately or fail to connect at all, rather than get cut off due to a hiccup in the connection. Brett Lehrer A FAX can only be sent in ECM mode when using tiffg4 format. It will have to be recoded into tiffg3 format if ECM is inhibited, which it far too often is. On the other hand, if you are using ECM any decent FAX system (e.g. spandsp) will recode into tiffg4, and really good ones (e.g. the very latest spandsp) may recoed into T.85/JBIG, for faster transmission times. Digium don't seem to specify what FFA does in this area. Steve A little puzzled. Do you mean: 1. tiffg4 encoded fax will(might?) fail if ECM is inhibited at either send or receive. 2. tiffg3 will work if ECM is inhibited. 3. If ECM is not inhibited, any decent fax system, will reencode tiffg3 to tiffg4. Therefore we should encode to tiffg3 and let spandsp determine if it should be rencoded to tiffg4 (or T.85/JBIG)? sean -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
On 10/09/2012 12:28 AM, Brett Lehrer wrote: How many fax and voice calls (which codecs for tha latter ones ?) are on average using your DSL line ? 1. Previously, I experienced failures during the process of converting incoming PDF documents into ready-to-send fax image files while the reverse process (from a fax file into a PDF or whatever document) never failed. I would be curious to check if a greater failure rate for outbound faxing (greater than inbound faxing failure rate) could simply comes from image processing, before any transmission. 2. Though your DSL line may have enough bandwidth from your location to its DSLAM, chances are packets are dropped or delivered too late for T.38 faxing. An interesting test would be to use an Asterisk PBX hosted somewhere at "close range" from netVortex fax gateways : that would remove most networking issues out of the equation. I'll have to look more closely into what codecs we traditionally use, but g.722 up and ulaw down is common. Generally don't have more than 2-3 calls active at once. At most, 5, and that's a rarity. Record for fax is 4 simultaneous send/receive, but typically just 1, maybe 2. I imagine that's encroaching on the upper limits of the 768 kbps upspeed. I've wondered about how lag might impact the problem but I just don't know how I'd go about testing it properly without spending a bunch of money on hosting. I do my PDF -> TIFF conversion on another machine with ghostscript. Here's the line: gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -dSAFER -sDEVICE=tiffg4 -sOutputFile= -f I changed from tiffg3 to tiffg4 because the filesize got cut in half assuming that the less time spent transmitting, the less chance there was to run into a problem that might stop the fax. However, most failures that I've looked at seem to occur immediately or fail to connect at all, rather than get cut off due to a hiccup in the connection. Brett Lehrer A FAX can only be sent in ECM mode when using tiffg4 format. It will have to be recoded into tiffg3 format if ECM is inhibited, which it far too often is. On the other hand, if you are using ECM any decent FAX system (e.g. spandsp) will recode into tiffg4, and really good ones (e.g. the very latest spandsp) may recoed into T.85/JBIG, for faster transmission times. Digium don't seem to specify what FFA does in this area. Steve -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
>How many fax and voice calls (which codecs for tha latter ones ?) are on >average using your DSL line ? >1. Previously, I experienced failures during the process of converting >incoming PDF documents into ready-to-send fax image files while the reverse >process (from a fax file into a PDF or whatever document) never failed. >I would be curious to check if a greater failure rate for outbound faxing >(greater than inbound faxing failure rate) could simply comes from image >processing, before any transmission. >2. Though your DSL line may have enough bandwidth from your location to its >DSLAM, chances are packets are dropped or delivered too late for T.38 >faxing. >An interesting test would be to use an Asterisk PBX hosted somewhere at >"close range" from netVortex fax gateways : that would remove most >networking issues out of the equation. I'll have to look more closely into what codecs we traditionally use, but g.722 up and ulaw down is common. Generally don't have more than 2-3 calls active at once. At most, 5, and that's a rarity. Record for fax is 4 simultaneous send/receive, but typically just 1, maybe 2. I imagine that's encroaching on the upper limits of the 768 kbps upspeed. I've wondered about how lag might impact the problem but I just don't know how I'd go about testing it properly without spending a bunch of money on hosting. I do my PDF -> TIFF conversion on another machine with ghostscript. Here's the line: gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -dSAFER -sDEVICE=tiffg4 -sOutputFile= -f I changed from tiffg3 to tiffg4 because the filesize got cut in half assuming that the less time spent transmitting, the less chance there was to run into a problem that might stop the fax. However, most failures that I've looked at seem to occur immediately or fail to connect at all, rather than get cut off due to a hiccup in the connection. Brett Lehrer -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
2012/10/4 Brett Lehrer > >What is the setup you're talking about ? > >Is it something like this ? > >PSTN nexVortex T.38 gateway - Internet - DSL modem --- > >Asterisk Fax machine > Olivier, > > Sorry, I did a poor job explaining that. That's basically correct, with > the receiving end first and our originating end last in your diagram. For > outgoing faxes only, this is the setup: > > Fax interface (LAN website, in short) -> Asterisk PBX -> DSL modem -> > Internet -> nexVortex trunk -> [recipient] > > Incoming faxes are generally more reliable, but I still get small number > of failures. I've mistakenly overestimated the incoming failure rate. > Don't have clean statistics on that, though. > How many fax and voice calls (which codecs for tha latter ones ?) are on average using your DSL line ? 1. Previously, I experienced failures during the process of converting incoming PDF documents into ready-to-send fax image files while the reverse process (from a fax file into a PDF or whatever document) never failed. I would be curious to check if a greater failure rate for outbound faxing (greater than inbound faxing failure rate) could simply comes from image processing, before any transmission. 2. Though your DSL line may have enough bandwidth from your location to its DSLAM, chances are packets are dropped or delivered too late for T.38 faxing. An interesting test would be to use an Asterisk PBX hosted somewhere at "close range" from netVortex fax gateways : that would remove most networking issues out of the equation. > Unexplainable FAX call failures (i.e. not wrong numbers of other >obviously wrong things) should be well below 1%. On a dedicated DSL >line, if everything is set up properly you should be getting that kind >of rate. This is especially true if you are using T.38 and the provider >at the far end uses a decent T.38 platform. Across the open internet >results are much more variable. >Depending what causes your 25% failures, you may get better results with >spandsp than with FFA. >Steve > I see, thanks. All of these faxes are going out to unknown, external > machines. I have no control over anything on their ends, and the > hardware/connection is as variable as you could imagine. I'll definitely > look into SpanDSP. FWIW, the dedicated DSL line is just a 6 Mbps up/768 > Kbps down Internet connection that is solely used by our in-house PBX to > connect to the trunk. > > > >However I'd just suggest that you look at the business case for screwing > around with fax at all. > Oh man, if only... I'd LOVE to just drop fax completely and use email > instead. > > Brett Lehrer > > -- > _ > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: >http://www.asterisk.org/hello > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
From: "Carlos Alvarez" Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:18 PM To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates? On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lee Howard wrote: I recognize that you're being a bit facetious in this latter comment No, not really. I stand by it. Useless and *should* be dead. It's dead and people just don't know it.There is no adequate replacement for fax. E-mail doesn't do it Yes, it does. Well, if you were using stand-alone fax machines then that was part of your problem. That was actually the only part of my post that was in jest. -- Carlos Alvarez TelEvolve 602-889-3003 Fax has been a long road in the VOIP arena and asterisk. For T.30 & T.38 to ATA gateways you need the right mix of equipment at both ends. Vendors that support T.38 or PRI's with good T.38 supported hardware gateways work best. On the fax gateway side Steve, and spandsp are god sent. Fax works well when you get your karma in alignment you must set it up correctly. Our systems have processed over 500,000+ faxes this year with very few fax machine compatibility issues. From a technology standpoint I too look forward to the day where we can get rid of faxes, but from a business perspective I am happy to process faxing for our paying customers. Fax + Asterisk can work quite well. Bryant Zimmerman (ZK Tech Inc/interNetGR) (616) 855-1030 -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lee Howard wrote: > I recognize that you're being a bit facetious in this latter comment > No, not really. I stand by it. Useless and *should* be dead. It's dead and people just don't know it. > There is no adequate replacement for fax. E-mail doesn't do it > Yes, it does. > > Well, if you were using stand-alone fax machines then that was part of > your problem. > That was actually the only part of my post that was in jest. -- Carlos Alvarez TelEvolve 602-889-3003 -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
>What is the setup you're talking about ? >Is it something like this ? >PSTN nexVortex T.38 gateway - Internet - DSL modem --- >Asterisk Fax machine Olivier, Sorry, I did a poor job explaining that. That's basically correct, with the receiving end first and our originating end last in your diagram. For outgoing faxes only, this is the setup: Fax interface (LAN website, in short) -> Asterisk PBX -> DSL modem -> Internet -> nexVortex trunk -> [recipient] Incoming faxes are generally more reliable, but I still get small number of failures. I've mistakenly overestimated the incoming failure rate. Don't have clean statistics on that, though. > Unexplainable FAX call failures (i.e. not wrong numbers of other >obviously wrong things) should be well below 1%. On a dedicated DSL >line, if everything is set up properly you should be getting that kind >of rate. This is especially true if you are using T.38 and the provider >at the far end uses a decent T.38 platform. Across the open internet >results are much more variable. >Depending what causes your 25% failures, you may get better results with >spandsp than with FFA. >Steve I see, thanks. All of these faxes are going out to unknown, external machines. I have no control over anything on their ends, and the hardware/connection is as variable as you could imagine. I'll definitely look into SpanDSP. FWIW, the dedicated DSL line is just a 6 Mbps up/768 Kbps down Internet connection that is solely used by our in-house PBX to connect to the trunk. >However I'd just suggest that you look at the business case for screwing >around with fax at all. Oh man, if only... I'd LOVE to just drop fax completely and use email instead. Brett Lehrer -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
On 10/04/2012 09:27 AM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: However I'd just suggest that you look at the business case for screwing around with fax at all. As a society, if we had decided to stop supporting this dead technology years ago, with all the time and money we've collectively wasted we could have completely eliminated world hunger. I recognize that you're being a bit facetious in this latter comment, but the argument that you're making here is unfounded. I believe that if you were to look at the Davidson Consulting reports about the fax industry for as long as those reports have been available you'd find this. The technology is not dead and has enough momentum to propel it forward for many years to come. Maybe this is understood in your acknowledgement of "society" supporting it, but the reason why it's supported is because the technology is sound and fills a very valuable purpose in business and other activities. There is no adequate replacement for fax. E-mail doesn't do it, and most other reliable document communication mechanisms are locked-up in proprietary patents and interests that will invariably prevent them from becoming standardized at all. I'm not a big T.38 fan-boy, although I do applaud the ITU for that attempt to get fax working on IP networks. Unfortunately, it's fundamentally flawed because it needlessly perpetuates the tether between fax and telephony. In an IP network there is no reason whatsoever for fax to be saddled on top of a telephony layer. Fax is data communication, and IP networks are quite effective at data communication. I can envision a future fax system which truly uses modern IP network designs such as DNS, encryption, security, and rides on a very effective communication protocol and yet continues to operate on the fundamental communication protocol defined in ITU T.30 which makes well-implemented faxing so dependable. I can't count the hundreds of hours I've wasted on fax support just to prop up this stupid and unnecessary technology. Many others have felt exactly the same way, and I don't mean to be rude, but invariably the reason why they feel this way is because they repeatedly tried to do it the wrong way. We just made the decision this week to outsource it all and never deal with it on our network again. I am slowly re-gaining my sanity because of that decision. And until the new technology comes along that is and will be *precisely* the right decision for most of the people who move to a virtual environment or who completely detach themselves directly from the PSTN. Now I'm going to take a fax machine out to the parking lot and shoot it, even talking about this awful waste of time makes my blood boil. Well, if you were using stand-alone fax machines then that was part of your problem. Thanks, Lee. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Brett Lehrer wrote: > I'm running Asterisk 1.8.11.1 and am connected to the nexVortex trunking > service over a DSL line solely dedicated to VoIP usage. For both incoming > and outgoing faxes, I'm getting a failure rate of just over 25%, and over a > handful of reasons. > > Is it natural to have this many problems on a completely digital > configuration? I'm trying to cut our analog phone line (because it's so > expensive), but some fax machines just don't seem to ever accept a fax. > Many of the failures are on the same numbers, forcing me to fall back to > an old analog fax machine just to make sure it actually gets through. > > Has anyone else had any similar experiences, or is this indicative of a > failure in the setup on my end (or even the trunking service)? > I'm not going to address the tech issues, as others already have. And if you didn't know, Steve Underwood is THE fax guy so whatever he says is gold, listen to him. However I'd just suggest that you look at the business case for screwing around with fax at all. As a society, if we had decided to stop supporting this dead technology years ago, with all the time and money we've collectively wasted we could have completely eliminated world hunger. I can't count the hundreds of hours I've wasted on fax support just to prop up this stupid and unnecessary technology. We just made the decision this week to outsource it all and never deal with it on our network again. I am slowly re-gaining my sanity because of that decision. Now I'm going to take a fax machine out to the parking lot and shoot it, even talking about this awful waste of time makes my blood boil. -- Carlos Alvarez TelEvolve 602-889-3003 -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
2012/10/4 Brett Lehrer > I'm running Asterisk 1.8.11.1 and am connected to the nexVortex trunking > service over a DSL line solely dedicated to VoIP usage. For both incoming > and outgoing faxes, I'm getting a failure rate of just over 25%, and over a > handful of reasons. > > Is it natural to have this many problems on a completely digital > configuration? I'm trying to cut our analog phone line (because it's so > expensive), but some fax machines just don't seem to ever accept a fax. > Many of the failures are on the same numbers, forcing me to fall back to > an old analog fax machine just to make sure it actually gets through. > > Has anyone else had any similar experiences, or is this indicative of a > failure in the setup on my end (or even the trunking service)? > > Brett Lehrer > What is the setup you're talking about ? Is it something like this ? PSTN nexVortex T.38 gateway - Internet - DSL modem --- Asterisk Fax machine > > > -- > _ > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: >http://www.asterisk.org/hello > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
On 10/04/2012 09:29 PM, Brett Lehrer wrote: I'm running Asterisk 1.8.11.1 and am connected to the nexVortex trunking service over a DSL line solely dedicated to VoIP usage. For both incoming and outgoing faxes, I'm getting a failure rate of just over 25%, and over a handful of reasons. Is it natural to have this many problems on a completely digital configuration? I'm trying to cut our analog phone line (because it's so expensive), but some fax machines just don't seem to ever accept a fax. Many of the failures are on the same numbers, forcing me to fall back to an old analog fax machine just to make sure it actually gets through. Has anyone else had any similar experiences, or is this indicative of a failure in the setup on my end (or even the trunking service)? Brett Lehrer Unexplainable FAX call failures (i.e. not wrong numbers of other obviously wrong things) should be well below 1%. On a dedicated DSL line, if everything is set up properly you should be getting that kind of rate. This is especially true if you are using T.38 and the provider at the far end uses a decent T.38 platform. Across the open internet results are much more variable. Depending what causes your 25% failures, you may get better results with spandsp than with FFA. Steve -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
Brett Lehrer wrote: Hola, I'm running Asterisk 1.8.11.1 and am connected to the nexVortex trunking service over a DSL line solely dedicated to VoIP usage. For both incoming and outgoing faxes, I'm getting a failure rate of just over 25%, and over a handful of reasons. I've never heard of that service so I unfortunately don't know the underlying equipment they are using for their service but it makes a *huge* difference. T.38 (which I hope you are using as that increases the chances a bit more) implementations wildly differ in interoperability and how well they generally work. This is one of the big problems with doing fax over VoIP and why for some individuals it works great and why for others it just falls apart. Is it natural to have this many problems on a completely digital configuration? I'm trying to cut our analog phone line (because it's so expensive), but some fax machines just don't seem to ever accept a fax. Many of the failures are on the same numbers, forcing me to fall back to an old analog fax machine just to make sure it actually gets through. In a perfect world, no. In reality it depends as I mentioned above. Has anyone else had any similar experiences, or is this indicative of a failure in the setup on my end (or even the trunking service)? Without more information (like logs/etc) it's hard to isolate things and point fingers. Cheers, -- Joshua Colp Digium, Inc. | Senior Software Developer 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA Check us out at: www.digium.com & www.asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
I had the same problem for a while. I found replacing fax machines with a scanner and either an email-to-fax program or just web-based faxing had better results. I don't want to tell you the gateway I used because they turned out pretty badly in the end. But there is hope! - Logan On Oct 4, 2012 8:29 AM, "Brett Lehrer" wrote: > I'm running Asterisk 1.8.11.1 and am connected to the nexVortex trunking > service over a DSL line solely dedicated to VoIP usage. For both incoming > and outgoing faxes, I'm getting a failure rate of just over 25%, and over a > handful of reasons. > > Is it natural to have this many problems on a completely digital > configuration? I'm trying to cut our analog phone line (because it's so > expensive), but some fax machines just don't seem to ever accept a fax. > Many of the failures are on the same numbers, forcing me to fall back to > an old analog fax machine just to make sure it actually gets through. > > Has anyone else had any similar experiences, or is this indicative of a > failure in the setup on my end (or even the trunking service)? > > Brett Lehrer > > > -- > _ > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: >http://www.asterisk.org/hello > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Fax for Asterisk success rates?
I'm running Asterisk 1.8.11.1 and am connected to the nexVortex trunking service over a DSL line solely dedicated to VoIP usage. For both incoming and outgoing faxes, I'm getting a failure rate of just over 25%, and over a handful of reasons. Is it natural to have this many problems on a completely digital configuration? I'm trying to cut our analog phone line (because it's so expensive), but some fax machines just don't seem to ever accept a fax. Many of the failures are on the same numbers, forcing me to fall back to an old analog fax machine just to make sure it actually gets through. Has anyone else had any similar experiences, or is this indicative of a failure in the setup on my end (or even the trunking service)? Brett Lehrer -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
