[asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
I have a Grandstream GXP1200 and eager to try this codec. I've heard good things about the quality. Anyone tried it with asterisk? I can't until 1.6 is released. Steve ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:25:12 +0530, Steve Repo wrote: >I have a Grandstream GXP1200 and eager to try this codec. I've heard >good things about the quality. > >Anyone tried it with asterisk? > >I can't until 1.6 is released. > >Steve I can't speak to Asterisk but I really like that codec. It's in my Polycom IP650s. I hope yours works better than it did on the BudgeTones. There, while the codec is supported, the hardware limits the call quality. Michael -- Michael Graves mgravesmstvp.com http://blog.mgraves.org o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mjgraves fwd 54245 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
Michael Graves wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:25:12 +0530, Steve Repo wrote: > >> I have a Grandstream GXP1200 and eager to try this codec. I've heard >> good things about the quality. >> >> Anyone tried it with asterisk? >> >> I can't until 1.6 is released. >> >> Steve > > I can't speak to Asterisk but I really like that codec. It's in my > Polycom IP650s. > > I hope yours works better than it did on the BudgeTones. There, while > the codec is supported, the hardware limits the call quality. > > Michael > > -- I can't speak for the GXP1200, but with the GXP2000s I have, you cannot tell the difference between G.711 and G.722. The only Polycom I have is an IP501 (that I bought to test, found to be solid, reliable, feature barren and awkward). Sadly this is very limited wrt its codec support. (supports even fewer than cheap chinese handsets). ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:19:40 +0100, Thomas Kenyon wrote: >I can't speak for the GXP1200, but with the GXP2000s I have, you cannot >tell the difference between G.711 and G.722. > >The only Polycom I have is an IP501 (that I bought to test, found to be >solid, reliable, feature barren and awkward). Sadly this is very limited >wrt its codec support. (supports even fewer than cheap chinese handsets). Hardware phones usually support fewer codecs than soft phones, almost all support at least G.711u/a and G.729 families. The nice thing about the IP550/650 is that they give you visual confirmation that they have negotiated a G.722 connection. The show a little "HD" animation on the soft button label corresponding to that line. Michael -- Michael Graves mgravesmstvp.com http://blog.mgraves.org o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mjgraves fwd 54245 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
Michael Graves wrote: > On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:19:40 +0100, Thomas Kenyon wrote: > >> I can't speak for the GXP1200, but with the GXP2000s I have, you cannot >> tell the difference between G.711 and G.722. >> >> The only Polycom I have is an IP501 (that I bought to test, found to be >> solid, reliable, feature barren and awkward). Sadly this is very limited >> wrt its codec support. (supports even fewer than cheap chinese handsets). > > Hardware phones usually support fewer codecs than soft phones, almost > all support at least G.711u/a and G.729 families. > I don't know about that, the Grandstream phones support 8 different codecs, the old chinese PA168-based phones supported 6, as do the newer AR1688-based handsets, the linksys SPA922 has 4, the SPA962 has 5, the old Snom 300 has 7 (including G.711). The IP501 has 3. I know it's a considerably better handset than say the PA168 or AR1688-based handsets, but then they are $45 and the 501 is £125. I'd also be more sold on it if it had half the features of the GXP2000 (which is only a little over half the price). ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
On Sep 3, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Steve Repo wrote: > I have a Grandstream GXP1200 and eager to try this codec. I've heard > good things about the quality. > > Anyone tried it with asterisk? > > I can't until 1.6 is released. I have used G.722 with Asterisk many times. If you have more specific questions about it and Asterisk, I would be happy to try to answer them. -- Russell Bryant Senior Software Engineer Open Source Team Lead Digium, Inc. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
>>> I have a Grandstream GXP1200 and eager to try this codec. I've heard >> good things about the quality. >> >> Anyone tried it with asterisk? >> >> I can't until 1.6 is released. > > > I have used G.722 with Asterisk many times. If you have more specific > questions about it and Asterisk, I would be happy to try to answer them. Specifically my questions are, [1] The quality of voice between g722 and say GSM or 729 [2] Interoperability between phones with g722 and other codecs [3] Asterisk support for G722 phones. Thanks! Steve ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
On Sep 4, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Steve Repo wrote: > Specifically my questions are, > > [1] The quality of voice between g722 and say GSM or 729 I suppose that it's sort of subjective, but I think it sounds _awesome_. It's a huge difference in quality to me. You just need to try it out. :) > [2] Interoperability between phones with g722 and other codecs Asterisk 1.4 does not support transcoding of G722. Asterisk 1.6 does support transcoding, so it can be used in combination with any other codec that Asterisk supports. > > [3] Asterisk support for G722 phones. Asterisk should work fine with any phone that supports that codec. Personally, I have only used it with Polycom phones. Also, again, Asterisk 1.4 only supports G722 passthrough, where as Asterisk 1.6 has full support. -- Russell Bryant Senior Software Engineer Open Source Team Lead Digium, Inc. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
> I'd also be more sold on it if it had half the features of the GXP2000 > (which is only a little over half the price). Sure, but if only half of the features in the GXP2000 actually work, what is the point of them? I'd take a stable phone with less features over one that has lots of features that don't work correctly any day. I've opened numerous tickets with Grandstream and their answer is always "we will look into it" and they never reply, or "that doesn't work" and then no reply. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Peder @ NetworkOblivion
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'd also be more sold on it if it had half the features of the GXP2000
>> (which is only a little over half the price).
>
> Sure, but if only half of the features in the GXP2000 actually work,
> what is the point of them? I'd take a stable phone with less features
> over one that has lots of features that don't work correctly any day.
> I've opened numerous tickets with Grandstream and their answer is always
> "we will look into it" and they never reply, or "that doesn't work" and
> then no reply.
I agree! I bought a GXP1200 ("business" class phone) and it's buggy.
Can't use the message button (404 not found).. and some other features
(404 not found). I have requested help from Grandstream and so far
nothing.
I don't really think they test important features supported by their
phones just the basic ones (dial out/dial in) and that about it :)
Steve
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Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:12:52 +0530, Steve Repo wrote:
>On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Peder @ NetworkOblivion
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I'd also be more sold on it if it had half the features of the GXP2000
>>> (which is only a little over half the price).
>>
>> Sure, but if only half of the features in the GXP2000 actually work,
>> what is the point of them? I'd take a stable phone with less features
>> over one that has lots of features that don't work correctly any day.
>> I've opened numerous tickets with Grandstream and their answer is always
>> "we will look into it" and they never reply, or "that doesn't work" and
>> then no reply.
>
>
>I agree! I bought a GXP1200 ("business" class phone) and it's buggy.
>Can't use the message button (404 not found).. and some other features
>(404 not found). I have requested help from Grandstream and so far
>nothing.
>
>I don't really think they test important features supported by their
>phones just the basic ones (dial out/dial in) and that about it :)
>
>Steve
Life is just too short to use a cheap phone. You can get good deals on
Polycom's and they are a pleasure to use, so that's what I stick with.
I also like Aastra & snom. Cisco pricing is simply offensive.
Michael
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Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
Steve Repo wrote:
>
>
> I agree! I bought a GXP1200 ("business" class phone) and it's buggy.
> Can't use the message button (404 not found).. and some other features
> (404 not found). I have requested help from Grandstream and so far
> nothing.
>
I've never heard of that problem, ar eyou sure the 404 response isn't
coming from asterisk? (It works on all the GXP-2000's I have).
The Lines all work, the BLF keys mostly work (It's better than not
having any), The Transfer, Conference, Message (can have a separate
mailbox setup for each line) etc. buttons all work.
It's a shame they don't have a more standard headset port (like the
Polycom). I havemn't experienced any problems with crashes or sound
quality. (Although as I stated before, the G.722 codec isn't discernably
clearer than the G.711 ones).
> I don't really think they test important features supported by their
> phones just the basic ones (dial out/dial in) and that about it :)
>
Apparently there are problems with some hardware versions, (I have 3
different versions that have been okay) and most versions of the firmware.
I'm on 1.1.6.16 and it's been fine. Don't see why it is worth spending
almost twice the money to get a handset without features that (in the
case of BLF) are needed.
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Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:48:47 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: >Asterisk should work fine with any phone that supports that codec. >Personally, I have only used it with Polycom phones. Also, again, >Asterisk 1.4 only supports G722 passthrough, where as Asterisk 1.6 has >full support. Any plans to implement G.722.1 now that it's under a royalty free license? Michael -- Michael Graves mgravesmstvp.com http://blog.mgraves.org o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mjgraves fwd 54245 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Thomas Kenyon wrote:
> Steve Repo wrote:
>>
>> I agree! I bought a GXP1200 ("business" class phone) and it's buggy.
>> Can't use the message button (404 not found).. and some other features
>> (404 not found). I have requested help from Grandstream and so far
>> nothing.
>>
> I've never heard of that problem, ar eyou sure the 404 response isn't
> coming from asterisk? (It works on all the GXP-2000's I have).
>
> The Lines all work, the BLF keys mostly work (It's better than not
> having any), The Transfer, Conference, Message (can have a separate
> mailbox setup for each line) etc. buttons all work.
>
> It's a shame they don't have a more standard headset port (like the
> Polycom). I havemn't experienced any problems with crashes or sound
> quality. (Although as I stated before, the G.722 codec isn't discernably
> clearer than the G.711 ones).
>
>> I don't really think they test important features supported by their
>> phones just the basic ones (dial out/dial in) and that about it :)
>>
> Apparently there are problems with some hardware versions, (I have 3
> different versions that have been okay) and most versions of the firmware.
>
> I'm on 1.1.6.16 and it's been fine. Don't see why it is worth spending
> almost twice the money to get a handset without features that (in the
> case of BLF) are needed.
I'd more or less agree with this - I've deployed dozens of GXP2000's.
(So-far only half a dozen GXP1200's) There does seem to be an issue with
old hardware though, but the current crop have been very stable under
1.1.6.16. Everything I've tried works - even BLF's. Downloading phone
books is a doddle and provisioning is easy with gsutil and a few bits I've
written myself.
I've yet to find anything that comes close, price wise, and right now,
price is what people (in the UK!) are whinging about...
Gordon
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Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
Michael Graves wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:48:47 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: > > >> Asterisk should work fine with any phone that supports that codec. >> Personally, I have only used it with Polycom phones. Also, again, >> Asterisk 1.4 only supports G722 passthrough, where as Asterisk 1.6 has >> full support. >> > > Any plans to implement G.722.1 now that it's under a royalty free > license? > > Its only G.722.1 Annex C (the 32k sample/second version) which is royalty free, and there seem to be some funky conditions in the licencing which may cause licence conflicts with other code. The spec in the main body of G.722.1 (the 16k samples/second version) is not royalty free, and that is the rather more interesting codec for most people. I doubt G.718 or G.719 will be in any way open. On top of that, the only open source software developer I know to have contacted Polycom about a licence for G.722.1C has failed to get any response after multiple tries. Regards, Steve ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
Michael Graves wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:48:47 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: > >> Asterisk should work fine with any phone that supports that codec. >> Personally, I have only used it with Polycom phones. Also, again, >> Asterisk 1.4 only supports G722 passthrough, where as Asterisk 1.6 has >> full support. > > Any plans to implement G.722.1 now that it's under a royalty free > license? Michael, Royalty free does not mean free. I believe there still is an upfront cost that Polycom is charging. Perhaps Digium can work out some sort of a deal now that Polycom recognizes Asterisk as a valid platform. I'd definitely love to see it supported. It's a great way to actually show some improvement in voice quality compared to the 100 year old copper technology that's in use today. Darrick ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
H...this bears making some calls to Polycom. They've been very good to me recently. Very approachable. I think that they're really trying to deal better with the Asterisk community. Michael On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:42:12 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote: >Michael Graves wrote: >> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:48:47 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: >> >>> Asterisk should work fine with any phone that supports that codec. >>> Personally, I have only used it with Polycom phones. Also, again, >>> Asterisk 1.4 only supports G722 passthrough, where as Asterisk 1.6 has >>> full support. >> >> Any plans to implement G.722.1 now that it's under a royalty free >> license? > >Michael, > >Royalty free does not mean free. I believe there still is an upfront >cost that Polycom is charging. Perhaps Digium can work out some sort of >a deal now that Polycom recognizes Asterisk as a valid platform. > >I'd definitely love to see it supported. It's a great way to actually >show some improvement in voice quality compared to the 100 year old >copper technology that's in use today. > >Darrick > >___ >-- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > >AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona >Register Now: http://www.astricon.net > >asterisk-users mailing list >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- Michael Graves mgravesmstvp.com http://blog.mgraves.org o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mjgraves fwd 54245 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] G722 and Asterisk 1.6
Beside Polycom, which hardphone vendor uses G.722.1 ? ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
