RE: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
Yes - the aggressive suppressor does tend to clip speech although I don't think it is half duplex. The MEC3 echo suppressor seemed to be heading in the right direction but last time I tried it it went funny after a while causing speech interruption. Iain --On Saturday, November 15, 2003 16:23:00 -0800 Ed Rubright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a comment made last week in this list that with echo cancellation set as MARK2 and aggressive suppressor enabled the line would no longer be full duplex! Has anyone actually noticed this? If so, does it actually cause a problem during a normal conversation? Thanks, Ed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Gillham Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls Andrew Joakimsen wrote: The X100P cards have horrible echo problems. I've heard talk about this being fixed, but havent seen anything done about it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry D. Black Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls I have just installed and configured asterisk I have been playing with software phones and an analog phone plugged into a TDM card. I have one line coming in on a X100P card. My X100P works quite well if I don't adjust the gain. Unfortunately it is a bit on the quiet side without the adjustment. I'll test it out with the echotraining and the gain settings. In the past with gain enabled, the echo would correct after 5-10 seconds of conversation. This is with MEC2, and I tested with and without the aggressive suppressor. -Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
The X100P cards have horrible echo problems. I've heard talk about this being fixed, but havent seen anything done about it. Depends on the installation; I have a half dozen of these cards with very very little echo problem. You might want to reverse tip and ring in your install and see if that helps; I have heard that reversed TR can really screw up echo cancellation. Also note that more echo cancel doesn't necessarily mean better echo cancel. I have echocancel=32 in my zapata.conf and it's far better than 'yes' and higher numbers. When going from my TDM400P to my X101P I seem to have had better luck with echocancelwhenbridged=yes -- you didn't mention whether you are going between two analogue interfaces or not. Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
PLEASE! Do *NOT* reply to a list message, erase the body, change the subject and start a new discussion! It completely destroys the list threading for people with mail clients which can properly thread messages. Isn't it far more work to do what you're doing instead of just clicking on the To: line and starting a new message? Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
Sorry I was not blameing the hardware I feel it is a problem with something I am doing I am very new to this I realy want this phone to work as they are the only cost effective Hardware sip phone I have found. The echo is a local echo on the phone and the user I dial gets choppy sound. Larry D. Black CEO Black Sheep Computing, inc 2312 E Matthews Jonesboro, AR 72401 870.910.6969 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Kohlsmith Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls Also on the budgetone phone calls to other sip phones sounds like a robot and is very choppy on outgoing calls. What codec? What kind of network topology? How loaded is your LAN or WAN connection? I have zero problems with over-internet BT101 to BT101 connections, as well as BT101 to Packet8 and other SIP providers. Don't be so quick to blame the hardware; these devices are everywhere and you would think that a problem as serious as you are describing would cause a problem in selling these devices. Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
Also on the budgetone phone calls to other sip phones sounds like a robot and is very choppy on outgoing calls. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry D. Black Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 2:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls I have just installed and configured asterisk I have been playing with software phones and an analog phone plugged into a TDM card. I have one line coming in on a X100P card. All calls between stations and even over the net to Digium however I have just got a Grand stream Budgetone-101 phone and it works great except outgoing calls over the phone line. This type of call is also less than perfect on all other stations but not as bad as on the 101. Very choppy and almost unusable this phone is located on a switch with the asterisk server. This phone has very good quality on incoming calls over the same line. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Larry D. Black Black Sheep Computing, inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
The X100P cards have horrible echo problems. I've heard talk about this being fixed, but havent seen anything done about it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry D. Black Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls I have just installed and configured asterisk I have been playing with software phones and an analog phone plugged into a TDM card. I have one line coming in on a X100P card. All calls between stations and even over the net to Digium however I have just got a Grand stream Budgetone-101 phone and it works great except outgoing calls over the phone line. This type of call is also less than perfect on all other stations but not as bad as on the 101. Very choppy and almost unusable this phone is located on a switch with the asterisk server. This phone has very good quality on incoming calls over the same line. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Larry D. Black Black Sheep Computing, inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
Then what do you do to get analog lines in -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Joakimsen Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls The X100P cards have horrible echo problems. I've heard talk about this being fixed, but havent seen anything done about it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry D. Black Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls I have just installed and configured asterisk I have been playing with software phones and an analog phone plugged into a TDM card. I have one line coming in on a X100P card. All calls between stations and even over the net to Digium however I have just got a Grand stream Budgetone-101 phone and it works great except outgoing calls over the phone line. This type of call is also less than perfect on all other stations but not as bad as on the 101. Very choppy and almost unusable this phone is located on a switch with the asterisk server. This phone has very good quality on incoming calls over the same line. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Larry D. Black Black Sheep Computing, inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
Andrew Joakimsen wrote: The X100P cards have horrible echo problems. I've heard talk about this being fixed, but havent seen anything done about it. Its not the X100Ps fault, it is shitty telco lines. Play with the Echo canceler options in the zaptel Make file and then optionally turn on echo training. Jeremy McNamara -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry D. Black Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls I have just installed and configured asterisk I have been playing with software phones and an analog phone plugged into a TDM card. I have one line coming in on a X100P card. All calls between stations and even over the net to Digium however I have just got a Grand stream Budgetone-101 phone and it works great except outgoing calls over the phone line. This type of call is also less than perfect on all other stations but not as bad as on the 101. Very choppy and almost unusable this phone is located on a switch with the asterisk server. This phone has very good quality on incoming calls over the same line. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Larry D. Black Black Sheep Computing, inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
Some changes were implemented around Oct 27th that improved the echo problem. To use that, put echotraining=yes in zapata.conf for each x100p card installed. As I understand this, it changed the way the echo canceller samples the analog line. Using the parameter is far better then previous, but there can still be some echo involved in some cases. As sort of a side note, every 2-wire (analog) to 4-wire (digitial) conversion involves some form of echo cancelling mechanism, and its ability to adjust successfully is dependent on the type of problems that exist on the 2-wire phone line. You will likely find the echo will be different by disconnecting other phones on the pstn line, use of twisted pair phone wiring, keeping the wiring away from objects that inject noise in the analog line, etc. The X100P cards have horrible echo problems. I've heard talk about this being fixed, but havent seen anything done about it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry D. Black Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls I have just installed and configured asterisk I have been playing with software phones and an analog phone plugged into a TDM card. I have one line coming in on a X100P card. All calls between stations and even over the net to Digium however I have just got a Grand stream Budgetone-101 phone and it works great except outgoing calls over the phone line. This type of call is also less than perfect on all other stations but not as bad as on the 101. Very choppy and almost unusable this phone is located on a switch with the asterisk server. This phone has very good quality on incoming calls over the same line. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Larry D. Black Black Sheep Computing, inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ---End of Original Message- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
Andrew Joakimsen wrote: The X100P cards have horrible echo problems. I've heard talk about this being fixed, but havent seen anything done about it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry D. Black Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls I have just installed and configured asterisk I have been playing with software phones and an analog phone plugged into a TDM card. I have one line coming in on a X100P card. My X100P works quite well if I don't adjust the gain. Unfortunately it is a bit on the quiet side without the adjustment. I'll test it out with the echotraining and the gain settings. In the past with gain enabled, the echo would correct after 5-10 seconds of conversation. This is with MEC2, and I tested with and without the aggressive suppressor. -Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
You'll probably need clean builds of zaptel and asterisk - I tried with updates earlier today and the echotraining option wasn't recognised until I did a complete clean install. Iain --On Saturday, November 15, 2003 13:59:13 -0800 Andrew Gillham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Joakimsen wrote: The X100P cards have horrible echo problems. I've heard talk about this being fixed, but havent seen anything done about it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry D. Black Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls I have just installed and configured asterisk I have been playing with software phones and an analog phone plugged into a TDM card. I have one line coming in on a X100P card. My X100P works quite well if I don't adjust the gain. Unfortunately it is a bit on the quiet side without the adjustment. I'll test it out with the echotraining and the gain settings. In the past with gain enabled, the echo would correct after 5-10 seconds of conversation. This is with MEC2, and I tested with and without the aggressive suppressor. -Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls
There was a comment made last week in this list that with echo cancellation set as MARK2 and aggressive suppressor enabled the line would no longer be full duplex! Has anyone actually noticed this? If so, does it actually cause a problem during a normal conversation? Thanks, Ed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Gillham Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls Andrew Joakimsen wrote: The X100P cards have horrible echo problems. I've heard talk about this being fixed, but havent seen anything done about it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry D. Black Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Bad echo on outgoing calls I have just installed and configured asterisk I have been playing with software phones and an analog phone plugged into a TDM card. I have one line coming in on a X100P card. My X100P works quite well if I don't adjust the gain. Unfortunately it is a bit on the quiet side without the adjustment. I'll test it out with the echotraining and the gain settings. In the past with gain enabled, the echo would correct after 5-10 seconds of conversation. This is with MEC2, and I tested with and without the aggressive suppressor. -Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
