Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2005-01-02 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
James wrote:
I've seen something with the X101P that lead me to think so: I have two 
cards and two lines. I also own a small UPS that happend to have a jack 
for a phone line, to act as a power cleaner and I've put the line that 
goes to one of these cards there.

Surge arrestors used for POTS lines aren't the same as used for digital 
circuit. I'm not surprised you had trouble.

The X101P is a FXO interface card for a POTS line, not digital.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2005-01-01 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Damon Estep wrote:
 Any PC platform is only as stable
as the sum of what you run on it, put a single analog interface in a red
hat ES on $10,000 worth of hardware and you will have to reboot every 3
days. 
I'm not seeing these problem with X101P, nor does any of my (not so 
many) clients. And all that's boils down to is that: a. I'm lucky and b. 
I've have helped my luck by using only one card per machine, choosing a 
good MB and making sure the card don't share IRQ with anything.

But the point still remains - any software or hardware that needs to be 
rebooted every 3 days to work is broken and should not be used. Period.

If you use such software or hardware you should find out what's wrong 
and fix it or switch to something else.

The reason that the connection between nightly reboots and MS exists 
is because: a. MS users they can't fix it - it's propritery and b. MS 
users can't replace it - for a heck load of reasons not interesting to 
discuss now.

Basically what we're saying is that nightly reboot is simply not an 
option, except in MS shops, that for some reasons are willing to accept 
such low quality.

How and why this comes about is left as excersize to the alert reader... ;-)
Gilad
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2005-01-01 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Greg - Cirelle Enterprises wrote:
Are you running a stable (v 1.0 - 1.0.3) or cvs
Asterisk CVS-v1-0-10/03/04
I've upgraded two months ago to get a feature I wanted (SMS support). It 
should be round about Asterisk 1.0.2

Gilad
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2005-01-01 Thread Rich Adamson
   Any PC platform is only as stable
  as the sum of what you run on it, put a single analog interface in a red
  hat ES on $10,000 worth of hardware and you will have to reboot every 3
  days. 
 
 I'm not seeing these problem with X101P, nor does any of my (not so 
 many) clients. And all that's boils down to is that: a. I'm lucky and b. 
 I've have helped my luck by using only one card per machine, choosing a 
 good MB and making sure the card don't share IRQ with anything.
 
 But the point still remains - any software or hardware that needs to be 
 rebooted every 3 days to work is broken and should not be used. Period.
 
 If you use such software or hardware you should find out what's wrong 
 and fix it or switch to something else.

I think you've really nailed it on the head with the above statement.
The problem is that everyone keeps harping on shared interrupts, repeating
statements that others have made, etc, but no one is actually making any
attempt to identify the root problem. And, primarily because this seems
to be a very technical issue with digium cards only, where the majority
of developers and those with the skills necessary to identify the root
cause don't use digium cards.

These systems (motherboards and all) don't have a problem with 99.9% of 
other vendor's cards and drivers, but yet the * resolution constantly boils
down to things like swapping motherboards instead of identifying what the
issue really is in terms of certain digium cards.

 The reason that the connection between nightly reboots and MS exists 
 is because: a. MS users they can't fix it - it's propritery and b. MS 
 users can't replace it - for a heck load of reasons not interesting to 
 discuss now.



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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2005-01-01 Thread Brian West
  I'm not seeing these problem with X101P, nor does any of my (not so
  many) clients. And all that's boils down to is that: a. I'm lucky and b.
  I've have helped my luck by using only one card per machine, choosing a
  good MB and making sure the card don't share IRQ with anything.
 
  But the point still remains - any software or hardware that needs to be
  rebooted every 3 days to work is broken and should not be used. Period.
 
  If you use such software or hardware you should find out what's wrong
  and fix it or switch to something else.
 
 I think you've really nailed it on the head with the above statement.
 The problem is that everyone keeps harping on shared interrupts, repeating
 statements that others have made, etc, but no one is actually making any
 attempt to identify the root problem. And, primarily because this seems
 to be a very technical issue with digium cards only, where the majority
 of developers and those with the skills necessary to identify the root
 cause don't use digium cards.
 
 These systems (motherboards and all) don't have a problem with 99.9% of
 other vendor's cards and drivers, but yet the * resolution constantly
 boils
 down to things like swapping motherboards instead of identifying what the
 issue really is in terms of certain digium cards.

I have never once had an issue with a card from Digium.  The real issue is
some people seem to think it's OK to use a 20 dollar motherboard and shove a
T1 card in the thing and expect it to play nice.  Come on guys I see this
all the time... Not all hardware is good hardware that plays nice with
other hardware.

bkw

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2005-01-01 Thread Rich Adamson
   I'm not seeing these problem with X101P, nor does any of my (not so
   many) clients. And all that's boils down to is that: a. I'm lucky and b.
   I've have helped my luck by using only one card per machine, choosing a
   good MB and making sure the card don't share IRQ with anything.
  
   But the point still remains - any software or hardware that needs to be
   rebooted every 3 days to work is broken and should not be used. Period.
  
   If you use such software or hardware you should find out what's wrong
   and fix it or switch to something else.
  
  I think you've really nailed it on the head with the above statement.
  The problem is that everyone keeps harping on shared interrupts, repeating
  statements that others have made, etc, but no one is actually making any
  attempt to identify the root problem. And, primarily because this seems
  to be a very technical issue with digium cards only, where the majority
  of developers and those with the skills necessary to identify the root
  cause don't use digium cards.
  
  These systems (motherboards and all) don't have a problem with 99.9% of
  other vendor's cards and drivers, but yet the * resolution constantly
  boils
  down to things like swapping motherboards instead of identifying what the
  issue really is in terms of certain digium cards.
 
 I have never once had an issue with a card from Digium.  The real issue is
 some people seem to think it's OK to use a 20 dollar motherboard and shove a
 T1 card in the thing and expect it to play nice.  Come on guys I see this
 all the time... Not all hardware is good hardware that plays nice with
 other hardware.

The only issue I have with that is there are several people with digium
T1 and TDM cards in their systems, and its always the TDM that goes out
to lunch; not the T1. No doubt there are less then desirable mobos 
around (and probably lots of them), but that doesn't explain why stability
of the TDM's very different from a T100P (both with Intel 537 chips).



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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2005-01-01 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Rich Adamson wrote:
The only issue I have with that is there are several people with digium
T1 and TDM cards in their systems, and its always the TDM that goes out
to lunch; not the T1. No doubt there are less then desirable mobos 
around (and probably lots of them), but that doesn't explain why stability
of the TDM's very different from a T100P (both with Intel 537 chips).

You know, this is sort of a crazy guess, but I think the power on the 
telephone line has a lot to do with the flakiness of these cards.

I've seen something with the X101P that lead me to think so: I have two 
cards and two lines. I also own a small UPS that happend to have a jack 
for a phone line, to act as a power cleaner and I've put the line that 
goes to one of these cards there.

Now, in two different occasions, during a power out the UPS signaled the 
server which shutdown gracefully and when the power was back on , the 
card whose line went through the UPS was in a Red Alert state.

Only taking out the line from the UPS and putting it directly into the 
telco socket a couple of time cleared this alaram (no, even rebooting 
did not help).

After these two inceidents I simply kept the line directly to the socket 
(like the second card) and we had several power outages since (don't 
ask) and this did not happen.

So my guess is - what makes the FXO/FXS more sensative then the PRI 
cards is the power on the line. Or not. Did I mention it's crazy guess? :-)

Gilad
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2005-01-01 Thread James

 I've seen something with the X101P that lead me to think so: I have two 
 cards and two lines. I also own a small UPS that happend to have a jack 
 for a phone line, to act as a power cleaner and I've put the line that 
 goes to one of these cards there.

Surge arrestors used for POTS lines aren't the same as used for digital 
circuit. I'm not surprised you had trouble.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2005-01-01 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Sat, 2005-01-01 at 14:06 -0500, James wrote:
  I've seen something with the X101P that lead me to think so: I have two 
  cards and two lines. I also own a small UPS that happend to have a jack 
  for a phone line, to act as a power cleaner and I've put the line that 
  goes to one of these cards there.
 
 Surge arrestors used for POTS lines aren't the same as used for digital 
 circuit. I'm not surprised you had trouble.

There was no mention of digital circuits other than the opinion that a
digital line would have a more controlled voltage supply than the analog
lines. The surge arrestor he used was on a analog line.

I have wondered a bit as well as it has been mentioned before about
telcos performing some form of test occasionally usually late at night
that would trip up various analog equipment. While I doubt the test
would account for many of the problems, it illustrates the multitude of
potential variables 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Greg - Cirelle Enterprises wrote:
from voip-info wiki
Asterisk automatic daily restart
To automatically restart Asterisk you can add something like this to cron
# Restart Asterisk PBX once a day to prevent any problems from piling up
10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx restart now /dev/null 21
or
10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -r -x restart gracefully /dev/null 
21

Does this software have substantial problems that one would have to do 
this???

I'm runing Asterisk for a year now as the IPBX of our little consulting 
firm. It stopped working only 4 times: two of these where power failures 
and the other two turned out to be Telco company problems (dead line).

We have 2 PSTN lines (using Digium X101P cards), 5 intrernal VoIP 
extentions (Grandstream budgettone - one of which is located on another 
continent, using a Wifi connection to a near by village that hosts an 
ADSL router... don't ask) and 2 VoIP termination/origination lines.

Of course, your mileage may very, but at least here there is no nightly 
restart script.

Hope that helps you in any way.
Gilad
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Greg - Cirelle Enterprises
At 09:19 AM 12/30/04, you wrote:
Greg - Cirelle Enterprises wrote:
from voip-info wiki
Asterisk automatic daily restart
To automatically restart Asterisk you can add something like this to cron
# Restart Asterisk PBX once a day to prevent any problems from piling up
10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx restart now /dev/null 21
or
10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -r -x restart gracefully /dev/null 21
Does this software have substantial problems that one would have to do 
this???
I'm runing Asterisk for a year now as the IPBX of our little consulting 
firm. It stopped working only 4 times: two of these where power failures 
and the other two turned out to be Telco company problems (dead line).

We have 2 PSTN lines (using Digium X101P cards), 5 intrernal VoIP 
extentions (Grandstream budgettone - one of which is located on another 
continent, using a Wifi connection to a near by village that hosts an ADSL 
router... don't ask) and 2 VoIP termination/origination lines.

Of course, your mileage may very, but at least here there is no nightly 
restart script.

Hope that helps you in any way.
Gilad

Are you running a stable (v 1.0 - 1.0.3) or cvs
Greg
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Jon Radon
No.. it's not that unstable.  Some people are just paranoid.  With my
X100p's I do notice that caller id gives me trouble after about a
week.  Could just be in my head though.


On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:52:15 -0500, Greg - Cirelle Enterprises
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 from voip-info wiki
 
 Asterisk automatic daily restart
 
 To automatically restart Asterisk you can add something like this to cron
 
 # Restart Asterisk PBX once a day to prevent any problems from piling up
 10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx restart now /dev/null 21
 
 or
 
 10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -r -x restart gracefully /dev/null 21
 
 Does this software have substantial problems that one would have to do this???
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 08:52 -0500, Greg - Cirelle Enterprises wrote:
 from voip-info wiki
 
 
 Asterisk automatic daily restart
 
 To automatically restart Asterisk you can add something like this to cron
 
 # Restart Asterisk PBX once a day to prevent any problems from piling up
 10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx restart now /dev/null 21
 
 or
 
 10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -r -x restart gracefully /dev/null 21
 
 
 Does this software have substantial problems that one would have to do this???

There may be certain days when you check asterisk from the -HEAD branch
that might be less stable than other days. 

The comments above seem to come from a certain type of admin
personality. That personality is rampant in MS Windows shops and in some
big iron shops. 

Right now this is the uptime from my main PBX.
phone*CLI show uptime
System uptime: 21 weeks, 21 hours, 16 minutes, 50 seconds
Last reload: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 53 minutes, 40 seconds


As of this message, we have run about 7200 calls this month alone, or
about 250 calls average per day right now.

For November and December minus 2 days, 15300 calls or about 259 calls a
day average.

I don't have problems.
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Luke Catranis
I do about 500 calls per day on average volume and about 750 on heavy
volume and find it necessary to run a logger rotate every other day...
other then that I can go on for a couple weeks until I need a full
reboot.


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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread brian
This is the age old difference between Microsoft environments and
Unix/Novell environments.

I like to joke that Microsoft uptime is measured in hours
Unix/Novell is always in years,months, and days.

Although, I have to admit that Win 2k (server) and XP have substantially
improved uptime and install lifetime.  A lot of that can be traced back
to leave it the  alone if it works!

I would be surprised if * actually HAD to be rebooted or restarted on
any frequency.  I suspect maintenance and changes would force restarts
more often then clutter. 


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-Original Message-
From: Steven Critchfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:43 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable 

On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 08:52 -0500, Greg - Cirelle Enterprises wrote:
 from voip-info wiki
 
 
 Asterisk automatic daily restart
 
 To automatically restart Asterisk you can add something like this to 
 cron
 
 # Restart Asterisk PBX once a day to prevent any problems from piling 
 up 10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx restart now /dev/null 
 21
 
 or
 
 10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -r -x restart gracefully 
 /dev/null 21
 
 
 Does this software have substantial problems that one would have to do
this???

There may be certain days when you check asterisk from the -HEAD branch
that might be less stable than other days. 

The comments above seem to come from a certain type of admin
personality. That personality is rampant in MS Windows shops and in some
big iron shops. 

Right now this is the uptime from my main PBX.
phone*CLI show uptime
System uptime: 21 weeks, 21 hours, 16 minutes, 50 seconds Last reload: 1
week, 1 day, 15 hours, 53 minutes, 40 seconds


As of this message, we have run about 7200 calls this month alone, or
about 250 calls average per day right now.

For November and December minus 2 days, 15300 calls or about 259 calls a
day average.

I don't have problems.
--
Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Damon Estep
  -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Steven Critchfield
 Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:43 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable 
 
 On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 08:52 -0500, Greg - Cirelle Enterprises wrote:
  from voip-info wiki
  
  
  Asterisk automatic daily restart
  
  To automatically restart Asterisk you can add something 
 like this to 
  cron
  
  # Restart Asterisk PBX once a day to prevent any problems 
 from piling 
  up 10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx restart now /dev/null 
  21
  
  or
  
  10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -r -x restart gracefully 
  /dev/null 21
  
  
  Does this software have substantial problems that one would 
 have to do this???
 
 There may be certain days when you check asterisk from the 
 -HEAD branch that might be less stable than other days. 
 
 The comments above seem to come from a certain type of admin
 personality. That personality is rampant in MS Windows shops 
 and in some big iron shops. 
 
 Right now this is the uptime from my main PBX.
 phone*CLI show uptime
 System uptime: 21 weeks, 21 hours, 16 minutes, 50 seconds 
 Last reload: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 53 minutes, 40 seconds
 
 
 As of this message, we have run about 7200 calls this month 
 alone, or about 250 calls average per day right now.
 
 For November and December minus 2 days, 15300 calls or about 
 259 calls a day average.
 
 I don't have problems.
 --
 Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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Any analog FXO or FXS interfaces in that box?
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 09:50 -0500, Luke Catranis wrote:
 I do about 500 calls per day on average volume and about 750 on heavy
 volume and find it necessary to run a logger rotate every other day...
 other then that I can go on for a couple weeks until I need a full
 reboot.

Oddly enough, My logs are approaching a year or more back and don't need
to be rotated for size yet. I will do it the next time I have to do
something with asterisk that time. My debug file is 418megs for over 1
year of logging.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 07:58 -0700, Damon Estep wrote:
 \ Right now this is the uptime from my main PBX.
  phone*CLI show uptime
  System uptime: 21 weeks, 21 hours, 16 minutes, 50 seconds 
  Last reload: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 53 minutes, 40 seconds
  
  
  As of this message, we have run about 7200 calls this month 
  alone, or about 250 calls average per day right now.
  
  For November and December minus 2 days, 15300 calls or about 
  259 calls a day average.
  
  I don't have problems.
  
  ___
 
 Any analog FXO or FXS interfaces in that box?

Of course not. FXO and FXS interfaces are for small deployments. We only
have T1 interfaces and IAX2 interfaces. PRI in, a channelized T1 using
16 channels out, and a few calls a day out to our remote system via
IAX2.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Luke Catranis
I just make it a habit, the only issues I run into are after an IAX2
gridlock and my log files get filled up quickly...

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Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable 

On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 09:50 -0500, Luke Catranis wrote:
 I do about 500 calls per day on average volume and about 750 on heavy
 volume and find it necessary to run a logger rotate every other day...
 other then that I can go on for a couple weeks until I need a full
 reboot.

Oddly enough, My logs are approaching a year or more back and don't need
to be rotated for size yet. I will do it the next time I have to do
something with asterisk that time. My debug file is 418megs for over 1
year of logging.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Damon Estep
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Steven Critchfield
   ___
  
  Any analog FXO or FXS interfaces in that box?
 
 Of course not. FXO and FXS interfaces are for small 
 deployments. We only have T1 interfaces and IAX2 interfaces. 
 PRI in, a channelized T1 using
 16 channels out, and a few calls a day out to our remote 
 system via IAX2.
 
 --
 Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 ___

Only for small deployments? How do you interface with your fax machines?
analog alarm systems? pc modems?

All of my large deployments require one or more of these elements, and
one that I am currently working on is a MAX TNT - SER - * implemetation
with 12 PRIs over a DS3 to the MAX TNT. Sure is a shame that I have to
run 6 analog lines to the building because * can not provide analog TDM
interfaces.

I realize I could use a channel bank, but keep in mind, we have a DS3
coming in, so a channle bank would require demux of a DS1, and then
demux to DS0 on a channel bank, and ebay pricing not withstanding, that
costs a boatload of money. Problem with ebay gear is you have to buy two
of everything to be safe (not to say we do not do it, TNTs are still
cheaper on ebay even if you have to buy 3 to be safe).

My point is that your assumption that only linux boxes will run for more
than 30 days is opinionated and wrong. Any PC platform is only as stable
as the sum of what you run on it, put a single analog interface in a red
hat ES on $10,000 worth of hardware and you will have to reboot every 3
days. Run only stable software on a Linux OR Microsoft Server and uptime
is not an issue unless you have a need to load every patch that ip put
out, in which case both platforms typically require more frequent
restarts. A better solution, use a good firewall and load patches less
frequently.

Your boxes have better uptime because of competent and educated
decisions you have made (yes that is a compliment, you appear to be
brilliant) when implementing them, like not installing known buggy
interfaces. My MS boxes have similar uptime for the same reason. I see
the value and need for both platforms on a daily basis.

I realize several of my replies to you have been opinionated, but you
frequently show your bias as well. In the end I respect your experience
with * and have learned a few things from your posts after I filter the
opinions out.

With all due respect,

Damon
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Steve Prior
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I like to joke that Microsoft uptime is measured in hours
Unix/Novell is always in years,months, and days.
It's not just you.  A while back Microsoft was running a TV ad
where a server was bragging that it was so reliable that it hadn't
even seen the sysadmin for DAYS.  Can you imagine what would have
happened to a Unix company who ran the same ad?  Everyone would
be laughing their butts off...
Steve
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Randy MacKay
 
 I do about 500 calls per day on average volume and about 750 on heavy
 volume and find it necessary to run a logger rotate every other day...
 other then that I can go on for a couple weeks until I need a full
 reboot.
 

How do you rotate your logs?
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Matt Gibson
Hi Randy,
Randy MacKay wrote:
I do about 500 calls per day on average volume and about 750 on heavy
volume and find it necessary to run a logger rotate every other day...
other then that I can go on for a couple weeks until I need a full
reboot.

How do you rotate your logs?
I have made a script to rotate mine, it's a little over complicated, but 
it works.

asterisk is run as user, and logs are kept in /var/log/asterisk
old logs are kept in /var/log/asterisk/old_logs
crontab for root:
# this is to rotate asterisk logs daily at 11:58 pm
58 23 * * * /etc/asterisk_logr.sh | mail - -s [asterisk] daily log 
rotate root

asterisk_logr.sh:
#!/bin/sh
#Rotates log files for asterisk
#variables
today=`/bin/date +%m%d%Y`
chown=/bin/chown
mv=/bin/mv
ls='/bin/ls -sh'
#tell asterisk to do its thing
echo
echo ---
echo #  MESSAGES   #
echo ---
/usr/sbin/asterisk -rx logger rotate
echo
# sleepy sleepy
#sleep 2
#set shit up
sourcef1=/var/log/asterisk/queue_log.0
sourcef2=/var/log/asterisk/event_log.0
sourcef3=/var/log/asterisk/asterisk_norm.log.0
sourcef4=/var/log/asterisk/asterisk_debug.log.0
sourcef5=/var/log/asterisk/screenlog.0
destf1=/var/log/asterisk/old_logs/queue_log.$today
destf2=/var/log/asterisk/old_logs/event_log.$today
destf3=/var/log/asterisk/old_logs/asterisk_norm.log.$today
destf4=/var/log/asterisk/old_logs/asterisk_debug.log.$today
destf5=/var/log/asterisk/old_logs/screenlog.0.$today
#moveem to dest dir
echo ---
echo #  QUEUE LOG  #
echo ---
if [ -f $sourcef1 ]; then
$mv $sourcef1 $destf1
echo - rotated $sourcef1 to $destf1
$chown root:wheel $destf1
echo - $destf1 file attributes set
echo - file size: `$ls $destf1`
echo
else
echo - no queue log to rotate
echo - no queue log to give permissions to
echo
fi
echo ---
echo #  EVENT LOG  #
echo ---
if [ -f $sourcef2 ]; then
$mv $sourcef2 $destf2
echo - rotated $sourcef2 to $destf2
$chown root:wheel $destf2
echo - $destf2 file attributes set
echo - file size: `$ls $destf2`
echo
else
echo - no event log to rotate
echo - no event log to give permissions to
echo
fi
echo ---
echo #   NORM LOG  #
echo ---
if [ -f $sourcef3 ]; then
$mv $sourcef3 $destf3
echo - rotated $sourcef3 to $destf3
$chown root:wheel $destf3
echo - $destf3 file attributes set
echo - file size: `$ls $destf3`
echo
else
echo no normal log to rotate
echo no normal log to give permissions to
echo
fi
echo ---
echo #  DEBUG LOG  #
echo ---
if [ -f $sourcef4 ]; then
$mv $sourcef4 $destf4
echo - rotated $sourcef4 to $destf4
$chown root:wheel $destf4
echo - $destf4 file attributes set
echo - file size: `$ls $destf4`
echo
else
echo no debug logfile to rotate
echo no debug log to give permissions to
echo
fi
echo ---
echo #  SCREEN LOG #
echo ---
if [ -f $sourcef5 ]; then
$mv $sourcef5 $destf5
echo - rotated $sourcef5 to $destf5
$chown root:wheel $destf5
echo - $destf5 file attributes set
echo - file size: `$ls $destf5`
echo
else
echo no screen logfile to rotate
echo no screen log to give permissions to
echo
fi

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Brian West

System uptime: 6 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 37 minutes, 55 seconds
Last reload: 48 seconds
Verbosity is atleast 3
System uptime: 7 weeks, 19 hours, 19 minutes, 48 seconds
Last reload: 41 seconds
Verbosity is atleast 3
System uptime: 7 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 25 minutes, 33 seconds
Last reload: 36 seconds
Verbosity is atleast 3
System uptime: 5 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 51 minutes, 43 seconds
Last reload: 30 seconds
Verbosity is atleast 3
System uptime: 6 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 43 minutes, 42 seconds
Last reload: 21 seconds
Verbosity is atleast 3
System uptime: 7 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 23 minutes, 14 seconds
Last reload: 21 seconds
Verbosity is atleast 3
System uptime: 7 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes, 6 seconds
Last reload: 16 seconds
Verbosity is atleast 3


I wouldn't say it's unstable... these boxes all run res_perl and reload
100's of times a day.  It all depends on if you know what the hell you're
doing.

bkw

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  I do about 500 calls per day on average volume and about 750 on heavy
  volume and find it necessary to run a logger rotate every other day...
  other then that I can go on for a couple weeks until I need a full
  reboot.
 
 
 How do you rotate your logs?
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Luke Catranis
Logger rotate from cli

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 I do about 500 calls per day on average volume and about 750 on heavy
 volume and find it necessary to run a logger rotate every other day...
 other then that I can go on for a couple weeks until I need a full
 reboot.
 

How do you rotate your logs?
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 08:29 -0700, Damon Estep wrote:
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Steven Critchfield
___
   
   Any analog FXO or FXS interfaces in that box?
  
  Of course not. FXO and FXS interfaces are for small 
  deployments. We only have T1 interfaces and IAX2 interfaces. 
  PRI in, a channelized T1 using
  16 channels out, and a few calls a day out to our remote 
  system via IAX2.

 Only for small deployments? How do you interface with your fax machines?
 analog alarm systems? pc modems?

You probably shouldn't run an analog alarm system through a T1 or PRI.
Consider them fragile and an alarm system should be on the most robust
connection necessary. 

Fax machines are SO old. In my business, we use a fax machine about 2
times a month. It is connected to our life line analog phone line in
our remote office. It is so much easier to send the information via
email or a secure pickup on our servers than to fax. Granted we are
looking at needing fax service for outbound soon, but that can be done
without analog lines.

Does any business outside of a ISP still use analog modems? I would
think internet connections and good encryption would be the norm for
those needs than an analog modem.

 All of my large deployments require one or more of these elements, and
 one that I am currently working on is a MAX TNT - SER - * implemetation
 with 12 PRIs over a DS3 to the MAX TNT. Sure is a shame that I have to
 run 6 analog lines to the building because * can not provide analog TDM
 interfaces.
 
 I realize I could use a channel bank, but keep in mind, we have a DS3
 coming in, so a channle bank would require demux of a DS1, and then
 demux to DS0 on a channel bank, and ebay pricing not withstanding, that
 costs a boatload of money. Problem with ebay gear is you have to buy two
 of everything to be safe (not to say we do not do it, TNTs are still
 cheaper on ebay even if you have to buy 3 to be safe).

Maybe you just need a T100P in your asterisk machine and a channel bank.
On an ideal network, you might be able to get faxes working reliably via
SIP to an asterisk machine and then out a channel bank. Your talking
between $700 and $1000 if you ebay wisely and depending on redundancy of
hardware. Granted it takes quite a long time before that price will
equal out for the cost of just 6 analog lines.

 My point is that your assumption that only linux boxes will run for more
 than 30 days is opinionated and wrong. Any PC platform is only as stable
 as the sum of what you run on it, 

I never said anything about 30 days. I said it had to do with admin
personalities. While yes it is opinionated, it doesn't reduce the truth
that most MS admins as a course of maintenance just reboot machines. I
have also seen this same mentality in admins on SAP deployments as
well. 

 Your boxes have better uptime because of competent and educated
 decisions you have made (yes that is a compliment, you appear to be
 brilliant) when implementing them, like not installing known buggy
 interfaces. My MS boxes have similar uptime for the same reason. I see
 the value and need for both platforms on a daily basis.

I think you mistook my complaint _this time_ as to a personality trait
of many of those who admin the machines as opposed to the OS on the
machine. I don't like MS machines and I don't like how unstable they are
in my production environment especially when compared to the linux boxes
sitting right next to them.

 I realize several of my replies to you have been opinionated, but you
 frequently show your bias as well. In the end I respect your experience
 with * and have learned a few things from your posts after I filter the
 opinions out.

Experience breeds opinions as much as any other influence. From my
experience, I can deploy a linux solution with fewer troubles and less
pain than a MS solution. So when I approach new problems, I am biased
towards linux over anything else. I respect the licenses of FOSS but I
am not a ESR or RMS puppet or disciple.  

 With all due respect,

I was due respect I must be faltering a bit this should be
lightened up a bit more.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Justin Carlson
what was wrong with logrotate?

On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 10:57 -0500, Matt Gibson wrote:
 Hi Randy,
 
 Randy MacKay wrote:
 I do about 500 calls per day on average volume and about 750 on heavy
 volume and find it necessary to run a logger rotate every other day...
 other then that I can go on for a couple weeks until I need a full
 reboot.
 
  
  
  How do you rotate your logs?
 
 I have made a script to rotate mine, it's a little over complicated, but 
 it works.
 
 asterisk is run as user, and logs are kept in /var/log/asterisk
 old logs are kept in /var/log/asterisk/old_logs
 
 
 crontab for root:
 # this is to rotate asterisk logs daily at 11:58 pm
 58 23 * * * /etc/asterisk_logr.sh | mail - -s [asterisk] daily log 
 rotate root
 
 
 asterisk_logr.sh:
 #!/bin/sh
 #Rotates log files for asterisk
 
 #variables
 today=`/bin/date +%m%d%Y`
 chown=/bin/chown
 mv=/bin/mv
 ls='/bin/ls -sh'
 
 #tell asterisk to do its thing
 echo
 echo ---
 echo #  MESSAGES   #
 echo ---
 /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx logger rotate
 echo
 # sleepy sleepy
 #sleep 2
 
 #set shit up
 sourcef1=/var/log/asterisk/queue_log.0
 sourcef2=/var/log/asterisk/event_log.0
 sourcef3=/var/log/asterisk/asterisk_norm.log.0
 sourcef4=/var/log/asterisk/asterisk_debug.log.0
 sourcef5=/var/log/asterisk/screenlog.0
 destf1=/var/log/asterisk/old_logs/queue_log.$today
 destf2=/var/log/asterisk/old_logs/event_log.$today
 destf3=/var/log/asterisk/old_logs/asterisk_norm.log.$today
 destf4=/var/log/asterisk/old_logs/asterisk_debug.log.$today
 destf5=/var/log/asterisk/old_logs/screenlog.0.$today
 
 #moveem to dest dir
 echo ---
 echo #  QUEUE LOG  #
 echo ---
 if [ -f $sourcef1 ]; then
  $mv $sourcef1 $destf1
  echo - rotated $sourcef1 to $destf1
  $chown root:wheel $destf1
  echo - $destf1 file attributes set
  echo - file size: `$ls $destf1`
  echo
 else
  echo - no queue log to rotate
  echo - no queue log to give permissions to
  echo
 fi
 
 echo ---
 echo #  EVENT LOG  #
 echo ---
 if [ -f $sourcef2 ]; then
  $mv $sourcef2 $destf2
  echo - rotated $sourcef2 to $destf2
  $chown root:wheel $destf2
  echo - $destf2 file attributes set
  echo - file size: `$ls $destf2`
  echo
 else
  echo - no event log to rotate
  echo - no event log to give permissions to
  echo
 fi
 
 echo ---
 echo #   NORM LOG  #
 echo ---
 if [ -f $sourcef3 ]; then
  $mv $sourcef3 $destf3
  echo - rotated $sourcef3 to $destf3
  $chown root:wheel $destf3
  echo - $destf3 file attributes set
  echo - file size: `$ls $destf3`
  echo
 else
  echo no normal log to rotate
  echo no normal log to give permissions to
  echo
 fi
 
 
 echo ---
 echo #  DEBUG LOG  #
 echo ---
 if [ -f $sourcef4 ]; then
  $mv $sourcef4 $destf4
  echo - rotated $sourcef4 to $destf4
  $chown root:wheel $destf4
  echo - $destf4 file attributes set
  echo - file size: `$ls $destf4`
  echo
 else
  echo no debug logfile to rotate
  echo no debug log to give permissions to
  echo
 fi
 
 echo ---
 echo #  SCREEN LOG #
 echo ---
 if [ -f $sourcef5 ]; then
  $mv $sourcef5 $destf5
  echo - rotated $sourcef5 to $destf5
  $chown root:wheel $destf5
  echo - $destf5 file attributes set
  echo - file size: `$ls $destf5`
  echo
 else
  echo no screen logfile to rotate
  echo no screen log to give permissions to
  echo
 fi
 
 
 

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Greg - Cirelle Enterprises
At 11:00 AM 12/30/04, you wrote:
I wouldn't say it's unstable... these boxes all run res_perl and reload
100's of times a day.  It all depends on if you know what the hell you're
doing.
bkw

why are they reloading 100's of times a day??
greg
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Matt Gibson
Justin Carlson wrote:
what was wrong with logrotate?

nothing, i just like doing things my own way :)
this makes use of the asterisk rotate feature, and my own daily log 
rotating. meh. to each their own :)

matt

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Christopher L. Wade
Matt Gibson wrote:
nothing, i just like doing things my own way :)
this makes use of the asterisk rotate feature, and my own daily log 
rotating. meh. to each their own :)

matt
Know you can make your own wheel before you drive someone else's car.
This sums up the way I live - kind of goes along with your statement.
-Chris
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Michael Welter
Steven Critchfield wrote:
On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 08:29 -0700, Damon Estep wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Steven Critchfield

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Any analog FXO or FXS interfaces in that box?
Of course not. FXO and FXS interfaces are for small 
deployments. We only have T1 interfaces and IAX2 interfaces. 
PRI in, a channelized T1 using
16 channels out, and a few calls a day out to our remote 
system via IAX2.

Only for small deployments? How do you interface with your fax machines?
analog alarm systems? pc modems?

I think most alarm companies continuously monitor the impedience of the 
line to detect tampering.  This is the type of thing you'd want to 
install and forget.

And Steve, why are you flaming Fedora Core users?  When I jumped from 
Windows to Linux in 1965, RedHat 4.? was about the only thing available. 
 At that time there was _zero_ Linux representation in the computer 
stores.  If it weren't for Linus and RedHat, I'd be a VB programmer 
right now.  There is a certain amount of loyalty, you know...

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Randy MacKay
Hi Matt,

Thanks for the information.  I didn't mean for you to get beat up on this;-)
I'm still learning linux, so your information is very helpful and I'm now
going to try and figure it out.  It will be a good challenge.

I have been able to locate very little information about logs, so your reply
and the others were very informative.

Again Thanks,

Randy

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 Justin Carlson wrote:
  what was wrong with logrotate?
 


 nothing, i just like doing things my own way :)
 this makes use of the asterisk rotate feature, and my own daily log
 rotating. meh. to each their own :)

 matt



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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 10:22 -0700, Michael Welter wrote:
 Steven Critchfield wrote:
  On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 08:29 -0700, Damon Estep wrote:
  
 Only for small deployments? How do you interface with your fax machines?
 analog alarm systems? pc modems?
  
 I think most alarm companies continuously monitor the impedience of the 
 line to detect tampering.  This is the type of thing you'd want to 
 install and forget.
 
 And Steve, why are you flaming Fedora Core users?  When I jumped from 
 Windows to Linux in 1965, RedHat 4.? was about the only thing available. 

1965??? Neither windows nor linux existed in '65. '95 would be more
plausible, but RH in '95 was pre 3.0.3 according to this historical
version release dates page. http://www.owlriver.com/redhat_versions.html

If you have been a RH user that long, you SHOULD know how abysmal the
security and stability track record of a *.0 release of RH has been. Way
too often it was rushed out the door for whatever reason. Upgrades from
one release to another where painful or problematic.

http://www.robotwisdom.com/linux/timeline.html
1993: 02Aug: SLS linux
1993: Aug: Debian linux
1994: 29Jan: Debian version 0.91
1994: 05Feb: Slackware 1.1.2
1994: RH 1.0
1994: 30Mar: MCC Interim 1.0+
1994: Apr: SeSE Linux
1994: Oct: Xdenu Linux

Of course in that time frame I was running NetBSD since linux caused me
trouble with the cdrom drive I had at the time.  

   At that time there was _zero_ Linux representation in the computer 
 stores.  If it weren't for Linus and RedHat, I'd be a VB programmer 
 right now.  There is a certain amount of loyalty, you know...

I was burned without ever using redhat myself. Loyalty is a bandaid that
hurts worse the longer you use it to cover trouble.

All that and I'll tell you I have been burned with debian too, but less
severe and only when I was asking for it by running testing or unstable
code. I was at least the one who could choose my risk level.

Of course, then I have disdain for a lot of the RH users and even more
for a good portion of Fedora Core users who seem to be wanting ES but
are too cheap to pay for it. Either way, there is usually a lot of
either newbish or blinded by a contract users on RH and FC. Both are
blinded to other options and tend to not want to think much about
options. That specific behavior is one that I despise in people even
outside of the computer realm. I don't understand why someone wouldn't
want to know a fair amount about what they are doing. Of course I am the
one who will fret and fuss over the tires I put on my car for nearly a
month before I feel comfortable with actually buying the tires. All the
times I actually spent that time mulling the options, turned out to be a
good decision. This last time I put what quickly seemed to be good tires
on my car, and I am quickly having to get reused to driving my car and
limiting my driving style to not over drive the tires.  
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Is asterisk that unstable ????

2004-12-30 Thread Rich Adamson
  
  Asterisk automatic daily restart
  
  To automatically restart Asterisk you can add something like this to cron
  
  # Restart Asterisk PBX once a day to prevent any problems from piling up
  10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx restart now /dev/null 21
  
  or
  
  10 7 * * * root /usr/sbin/asterisk -r -x restart gracefully /dev/null 
  21
  
  
  Does this software have substantial problems that one would have to do 
  this???

No, not in the majority of cases. Restarting it on a regular basis
follows about the same mentality that some sys admins have on restarting
their unix boxes.

If there are any issues, they should be documented and fixed, not bypassed
through restarts.


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