Re: [Astlinux-users] mISDN for trunk

2008-11-07 Thread Ingmar Schraub
Hello Michael,

Michael Keuter wrote:
> on the short run I would vote for a.)
> because I haven't activated oslec and we have to test enough with new trunk.
> And I'd like to have a stable solution first.
> I don't have the time to familiarize myself with the new mISDN V2 
> /LCR stuff right now.
> 
> If everything runs stable it's a nice option to have version c.)
> 
> Just my 2 cents.
> 
> Michael

I think, we want to start with a.) - meaning, upgrading mISDN without
oslec. That's the easiest for now, other features and wishes can be
taken care of in the future or in a separate testing/experimenting branch.

regards,

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Re: [Astlinux-users] mISDN for trunk

2008-11-07 Thread Ingmar Schraub
Philip Prindeville wrote:

> What are oslec and LCR in short?

Open Source Line Echo Canceller
http://www.rowetel.com/ucasterisk/oslec.html

It is used currently in mISDN and as an option for Zaptel.

LCR is Linux Call Router, another open source project for dealing with
ISDN. It provides an Asterisk channel driver to use mISDN v2 with Asterisk.

http://www.linux-call-router.de/

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Re: [Astlinux-users] mISDN for trunk

2008-11-07 Thread Ingmar Schraub
Matt Riddell wrote:
> Oslec doesn't bother me too much - too much CPU usage.  

Well, I have oslec working on an old net4801 with just 128MB for a long
time, before we had it integrated in Astlinux. It's an ancient build and
I can't confirm that CPU usage is high. It is low for oslec. It was very
high for the user-space implementation of Octasic echo canceller. I
think, it is moved to kernel-space again in misdn v2.

> Does chan_lcr  work?  

I haven't tried, but I read reports that it works fine.

> Who supports it? 

It is open source, gpl stuff.

> Are they active in the Asterisk community? 
> Willing to fix bugs etc?

There are some people today, but nobody knows how this will be in the
future.

On the other hand, chan_misdn was developed by the same guys who develop
mISDN. Now they stopped working on chan_misdn and who is maintaining
that code in the future? Hmm, nobody knows ;-) That's always the same
story with open source... People want everything for free with great
support and code maintenance.

> If chan_lcr is something which could receive more support than 
> chan_misdn then maybe we should consider it.

Let it say this way: chan_misdn does not work with the latest mISDN
version which is V2. Probably chan_misdn will never work with V2 because
no one is porting it. So it has to stick with V1 code of mISDN. The
latest release here is 1.1.8. Do you believe that this code will be
maintained in the future as there is already V2? I don't know... The
ISDN protocol in general won't change probably, but kernel versions
change and you have at least to adopt your structures to newer kernel
versions. So in the future someone would have to touch the V1 code again
to make it compatible with the latest kernel.

Last but not least, kernel >= linux 2.6.27 includes mISDN V2 !! I think,
that's the future and I don't think that chan_misdn is the future unless
someone put either money on the table for the existing developers to
port it or someone else feels smart enough to do the port as another
open source project.

cheers, Ingmar

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Re: [Astlinux-users] Basic dev question

2008-11-07 Thread Tom Chadwin
> No worries.  Happy to have someone taking an interest and
> potentially making a contribution.  :-)

I guess that's a way off yet...

> These drivers are kernel module drivers?

I believe so.

> Have a look at how package/zaptel/ works...  You can clone
> this directory, then start renaming the files, the variables, etc.

Just what I needed. Thanks for the pointer.

Cheers

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Re: [Astlinux-users] mISDN for trunk

2008-11-07 Thread Ingmar Schraub
Hello Matt,

Matt Riddell wrote:
> Also, the chan_lcr site lists cards it supports - the Digium b410p is 
> not specifically listed, although I assume it comes under the HFC cards.

That's not really correct. A channel driver does not care about hardware
support. You have to check what is supported by the kernel drivers. You
can compare what mISDN V1 supports versus V2.

> Another note, it seems the lcr project is designed as a PBX, and the 
> chan_lcr code is meant to turn that PBX into a channel.  One wonders 
> what the CPU load comparrison would be like.

It is designed in two ways: standalone ISDN PBX (no other protocols) or
as an integration into Asterisk via chan_lcr. The only difference to a
just a pure channel driver is that you have another daemon running, the
lcr deamon which controls the signalling.

http://listserv.isdn4linux.de/pipermail/isdn4linux/2008-July/003533.html
http://listserv.isdn4linux.de/pipermail/isdn4linux/2008-July/003548.html

Regarding CPU load -> feel free to test it, spend time and figure out
yourself :-)

regards, Ingmar



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Re: [Astlinux-users] mISDN for trunk

2008-11-07 Thread Ingmar Schraub
Hello Matt,

> Anywayz, while we're at it, chan_lcr is licensed under GPL, which means 
> it's unlikely to get included in main stream Asterisk, which means that 
> support for it may fail at some time.

That's a problem of Asterisk, not of GPL software.

> I've noticed a few changes going in to libpri (or maybe it was Dahdi) to 
> support BRI over the past couple of days (albeit in trunk), which makes 
> me think that long term the best bet is going to be native support.

DAHDI support for ISDN/BRI would be great. No more worries about mISDN
and such. But: do you think, that people start writing kernel drivers
for various BRI cards or do you think, they will use mISDN V2 code from
kernel >= 2.6.27 and just write an interface to that? Writing all
drivers again from scratch for all available cards sounds like a nice
task.

> Which makes me think that maybe we should stick with chan_misdn for the 
> moment and then later move to native libpri/dahdi support once the 
> project moves to 1.6/trunk.

Yes, we stick with chan_misdn for now. That's the easiest for the community.

regards,

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Re: [Astlinux-users] Astlinux 0.6.1 on net4801: Asterisk crashes once a week

2008-11-07 Thread Michael Keuter
>Try to increase maxload into asterisk.conf to 4 .
>Regards Andrea
>Michael Keuter ha scritto

Hi Andrea,

I set maxload = 4
But Astlinux still crashes :-(. And still no logging messages.

>  >> On Nov 2, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Michael Keuter wrote:
>  >>
>>>
>   Michael Keuter wrote:
>
>>   Hi list,
>>
>>   since upgrading from Astlinux 0.4.8 to 0.6.1 on my Soekris net4801
>>   with 266MHz + 256 MB RAM (connected with an 1-port HFC-ISDN-card
>>   to a
>>   legacy PBX) I have the problem, that the Asterisk application
>>   crashes
>>   once or twice a week. Mostly when no call or application is active.
>>   Linux is then still runnibg normally. When I restart the Asterisk
>>   service with "/etc/init.d/asterisk restart" everything works again.
>>   Sometimes I noticed the the crash a few hours later. I got no useful
>>   help in the log files. When the box is idle I have 116 MB RAM free.
>>
>>   With 0.4.8 I had such crashes only once a month and it seemed that
>>   Linux also crashed, cause the watchdog rebooted the box.
>>
>>   Any advice how to debug such crashes?
>>
>>   Michael
>>
>>  
>   I'm not using a net4801, but I've not seen Asterisk crash in this
>   manner
>   on any of the boxes that I'm running Astlinux.  Which specific
>   Asterisk
>   app_XX modules are being used?  Since you were having issues with
>   Asterisk crashing the box before, I would suspect the hardware
>   itself.
>   Do you have another net4801 you could test with?
>
>   Darrick
>
   Hi Darrick,

   I did not change the standard modules.conf, I'm
   using MISDN for the HFC card. No I don't have
   another net4801. The problem now is: the box
   doesn't reboot itself. With 0.4.8 it rebooted. Is
   there anything I can to trigger the watchdog to
   reboot Astlinux when Asterisk is not alive?

   For testing purposes I now ran a cron script
   every 10 min. which writes a few values to a
   Log-file:
  
>>>  Michael,
>>>
>>>  For testing, you might try setting "PERSISTLOG=yes"
>>>
>>>  ##Persistent Logs
>>>  ##If this variable is defined, logs are saved to the keydisk instead
>>>  of RAM
>>>  #PERSISTLOG=yes
>>>
>>>  I have not used this feature, but it might help.
>>>
>>>  Also, if you could somehow do a memory test...
>>>
>>>  Lonnie
>>>
>>
>>  I ran a memory test with MemTest86+ for 30 hours - no problems were found.
>>  I also set "PERSIST_LOG=yes".
>>  Now after 1 day 8 hours Asterisk crashed again without an active call
>>  and without any activity on the box. And there are no entries in the
>>  log files. Linux was still running and I could restart Asterisk.
>>
>>  Is there any way to debug Asterisk?
>>
>  > Michael
>
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Re: [Astlinux-users] genkd/genunion

2008-11-07 Thread Darrick Hartman
Mart,

Sorry, been busy.


If you are using both an existing key disk AND created a new unionfs 
partition, you should see a script called 'movekd'.  I created the 
script, but it has not been tested extensively.  It does the following:

Moves files from a key disk to a unionfs partition based on file system 
labels (it uses 'findfs LABEL=ASTURW' and 'findfs LABEL=ASTKD') then 
moves the data from the key disk to a directory on the unionfs 
partition.  It then relabels the old key disk with a different file 
system label (OLDKD).

After that's done, you should reboot immediately, if not sooner ;)

After rebooting, you should be golden.

However, if you just have the keydisk now, follow all of the 
instructions in the 'genunion' script.  It will prompt you as follows 
after creating the unionfs file system:

> echo "Filesystem Created.
> 
> On new systems you can optionally use unionfs instead of they key disk.
> 
> To create the appropriate file structure, type yes.
> 
> If you have an existing key disk and want to migrate your key disk
> settings to this new unionfs partition, execute movekd $DEV after
> this script exits. 
> 
> To create a new key disk structure on your new unionfs partition,
> type yes followed by the Enter key.  Press any other key to exit.
> 
> If you are new to Astlinux, you will want to say yes."

If you have an existing keydisk answer NO then run movekd.

Darrick

Martin Rogers wrote:
> Hi
> 
> any takers for this question please.
> 
> Is this something which no one else has done, or is it just a plain
> stupid thing to ask?
> 
> Thanks
> Mart
> 
> 
> Martin Rogers wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a recent Astlinux system which uses a USB stick and genkd.
>>
>> When I want to modify the configuration I can modify the files on the
>> keydisk and everything is OK.
>>
>> However I now need to change the root password. I understand that I need
>> to use genuinon for this, and have a second IDE CF device fitted which I
>> want to use as the genunion/RW partition.
>>
>> If I run genunion,
>>  1. which config files will be stored on the new CF ?
>>  2. will the USB stick files still be required/used. If so which ones.
>>
>> 3. If I wanted to do away with the USB stick and just use genunion by
>> reinstalling the system and not running genkd, where would the .conf
>> files be stored on the CF partition.
>>
>> Thanks
>> regards
>> Mart
>>  
>>
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Re: [Astlinux-users] genkd/genunion

2008-11-07 Thread David Kerr
Unionfs turns the Astlinux RAM-based disk into one with persistent
storage... anything that you write to the disk gets saved onto the CF card
and "replaces" the version that is on the RAM disk.  So all (yes every)
configuration file will survive a reboot.
If you use genunion, you no longer need the USB keydisk.  Everything that
was on the USB KD is now on the CF card (in the same file structure that it
was on the KD). I believe that the genunion script includes instructions on
where to copy your existing KD filed into the new unionfs partition so that
you don't need to recreate everything.

In general you wouldn't explicitly access the CF card by going to the CF
card mount, rather you would access it through the normal filesystem... and
unionfs would read/write from the CF (or the ramdisk) as necessary.
 However, if you want to see exactly what is on the CF card unionfs
partition, then you can go to /oldroot/asturw and you will find it.

Hope this helps

Daivd



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> Hi
>
> any takers for this question please.
>
> Is this something which no one else has done, or is it just a plain
> stupid thing to ask?
>
> Thanks
> Mart
>
>
> Martin Rogers wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I have a recent Astlinux system which uses a USB stick and genkd.
> >
> > When I want to modify the configuration I can modify the files on the
> > keydisk and everything is OK.
> >
> > However I now need to change the root password. I understand that I need
> > to use genuinon for this, and have a second IDE CF device fitted which I
> > want to use as the genunion/RW partition.
> >
> > If I run genunion,
> >   1. which config files will be stored on the new CF ?
> >   2. will the USB stick files still be required/used. If so which
> ones.
> >
> > 3. If I wanted to do away with the USB stick and just use genunion by
> > reinstalling the system and not running genkd, where would the .conf
> > files be stored on the CF partition.
> >
> > Thanks
> > regards
> > Mart
> >
> >
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Re: [Astlinux-users] Case for 2 PCI cards

2008-11-07 Thread Tom Chadwin
>>> You can get a mini-pci ISDN card (BRI) from OpenVox. I don't know
>>> about the quality of the product, but I saw the mini-pci version on
>>> their web site.
>>>
>> At the moment, it's the base system, and, specifically, the case,
>> which I need to source.
>>
> I think that's Stephan's point.  With a mini-pci IDSN card, you may
> not need a dual pci board.

Apologies to all. I plainly need to learn more about PCI architecture.

> I'm not sure how you'd configure two pci
> cards with the net5501 anyway.  There's only one pci slot on the
> board.  Not sure how well the dual slot adapters would work.

So is anyone out there using a CF-based system with 2 PCI cards in it
(eg both analogue and ISDN in my case)? What are you using?

Thanks

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Re: [Astlinux-users] Case for 2 PCI cards

2008-11-07 Thread Darrick Hartman
Tom Chadwin wrote:
 You can get a mini-pci ISDN card (BRI) from OpenVox. I don't know
 about the quality of the product, but I saw the mini-pci version on
 their web site.

>>> At the moment, it's the base system, and, specifically, the case,
>>> which I need to source.
>>>
>> I think that's Stephan's point.  With a mini-pci IDSN card, you may
>> not need a dual pci board.
> 
> Apologies to all. I plainly need to learn more about PCI architecture.
> 
>> I'm not sure how you'd configure two pci
>> cards with the net5501 anyway.  There's only one pci slot on the
>> board.  Not sure how well the dual slot adapters would work.
> 
> So is anyone out there using a CF-based system with 2 PCI cards in it
> (eg both analogue and ISDN in my case)? What are you using?

Not really.  Your best bet is to use the net5501 and get one or the 
other (ISDN or analog) a mini-pci device.  Otherwise, get the ISDN as 
pci and use an external ATA.

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Re: [Astlinux-users] Basic dev question

2008-11-07 Thread Tom Chadwin
> Have a look at how package/zaptel/ works...  You
> can clone this directory, then start renaming the
> files, the variables, etc.

Hrm. Rather a lot to take in there, and I can't make a great deal of it.

To install this on a traditional Asterisk box, I simply had to
download, untar, make, and make install (I think). Is there an easy
way to incorporate this procedure into the Astlinux build process? I'm
guessing you'll tell me that is precisely what the Zaptel package
does, and hence why you told me to look at it...

Thanks

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Re: [Astlinux-users] Basic dev question

2008-11-07 Thread Ingmar Schraub
Hello Tom,

if you like we could have a look at it together. Please point me the
location of the source files and documentation and I'll have a look. If
it is feasible to integrate, we'll do it together.

regards,

Ingmar

Tom Chadwin wrote:
>> Have a look at how package/zaptel/ works...  You
>> can clone this directory, then start renaming the
>> files, the variables, etc.
> 
> Hrm. Rather a lot to take in there, and I can't make a great deal of it.
> 
> To install this on a traditional Asterisk box, I simply had to
> download, untar, make, and make install (I think). Is there an easy
> way to incorporate this procedure into the Astlinux build process? I'm
> guessing you'll tell me that is precisely what the Zaptel package
> does, and hence why you told me to look at it...
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [Astlinux-users] Basic dev question

2008-11-07 Thread Darrick Hartman
Tom Chadwin wrote:
>> Have a look at how package/zaptel/ works...  You
>> can clone this directory, then start renaming the
>> files, the variables, etc.
> 
> Hrm. Rather a lot to take in there, and I can't make a great deal of it.
> 
> To install this on a traditional Asterisk box, I simply had to
> download, untar, make, and make install (I think). Is there an easy
> way to incorporate this procedure into the Astlinux build process? I'm
> guessing you'll tell me that is precisely what the Zaptel package
> does, and hence why you told me to look at it...
>

Tom,

Astlinux is cross-compiled so it uses a toolchain to pass all the 
correct options to the compilier rather than compiling directly.  It is 
alot to take in initially, but it is doable.  I don't know how much ISDN 
cards cost (is the card you have a single port?), but it may be 
quicker/cheaper/easier to buy a supported card.  We try to support most 
hardware with Astlinux, but since none of the developers have this 
hardware, it's a little difficult for us to test it.

If you do want to create a package in Astlinux, we'd be happy to answer 
some questions after you've dug into the development environment and 
have a basic understanding of how it operates.

Darrick

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Re: [Astlinux-users] genkd/genunion

2008-11-07 Thread Martin Rogers
David,

many thanks for your reply.

regards
Mart


David Kerr wrote:
> Unionfs turns the Astlinux RAM-based disk into one with persistent
> storage... anything that you write to the disk gets saved onto the CF card
> and "replaces" the version that is on the RAM disk.  So all (yes every)
> configuration file will survive a reboot.
> If you use genunion, you no longer need the USB keydisk.  Everything that
> was on the USB KD is now on the CF card (in the same file structure that it
> was on the KD). I believe that the genunion script includes instructions on
> where to copy your existing KD filed into the new unionfs partition so that
> you don't need to recreate everything.
> 
> In general you wouldn't explicitly access the CF card by going to the CF
> card mount, rather you would access it through the normal filesystem... and
> unionfs would read/write from the CF (or the ramdisk) as necessary.
>  However, if you want to see exactly what is on the CF card unionfs
> partition, then you can go to /oldroot/asturw and you will find it.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Daivd
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Martin Rogers
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>>
>> any takers for this question please.
>>
>> Is this something which no one else has done, or is it just a plain
>> stupid thing to ask?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mart
>>
>>
>> Martin Rogers wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have a recent Astlinux system which uses a USB stick and genkd.
>>>
>>> When I want to modify the configuration I can modify the files on the
>>> keydisk and everything is OK.
>>>
>>> However I now need to change the root password. I understand that I need
>>> to use genuinon for this, and have a second IDE CF device fitted which I
>>> want to use as the genunion/RW partition.
>>>
>>> If I run genunion,
>>>   1. which config files will be stored on the new CF ?
>>>   2. will the USB stick files still be required/used. If so which
>> ones.
>>> 3. If I wanted to do away with the USB stick and just use genunion by
>>> reinstalling the system and not running genkd, where would the .conf
>>> files be stored on the CF partition.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> regards
>>> Mart
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Astlinux-users] genkd/genunion

2008-11-07 Thread Martin Rogers
Darrick,

many thanks for your reply.

regards
Mart

Darrick Hartman wrote:
> Mart,
> 
> Sorry, been busy.
> 
> 
> If you are using both an existing key disk AND created a new unionfs 
> partition, you should see a script called 'movekd'.  I created the 
> script, but it has not been tested extensively.  It does the following:
> 
> Moves files from a key disk to a unionfs partition based on file system 
> labels (it uses 'findfs LABEL=ASTURW' and 'findfs LABEL=ASTKD') then 
> moves the data from the key disk to a directory on the unionfs 
> partition.  It then relabels the old key disk with a different file 
> system label (OLDKD).
> 
> After that's done, you should reboot immediately, if not sooner ;)
> 
> After rebooting, you should be golden.
> 
> However, if you just have the keydisk now, follow all of the 
> instructions in the 'genunion' script.  It will prompt you as follows 
> after creating the unionfs file system:
> 
>> echo "Filesystem Created.
>>
>> On new systems you can optionally use unionfs instead of they key disk.
>>
>> To create the appropriate file structure, type yes.
>>
>> If you have an existing key disk and want to migrate your key disk
>> settings to this new unionfs partition, execute movekd $DEV after
>> this script exits. 
>>
>> To create a new key disk structure on your new unionfs partition,
>> type yes followed by the Enter key.  Press any other key to exit.
>>
>> If you are new to Astlinux, you will want to say yes."
> 
> If you have an existing keydisk answer NO then run movekd.
> 
> Darrick
> 
> Martin Rogers wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> any takers for this question please.
>>
>> Is this something which no one else has done, or is it just a plain
>> stupid thing to ask?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mart
>>
>>
>> Martin Rogers wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have a recent Astlinux system which uses a USB stick and genkd.
>>>
>>> When I want to modify the configuration I can modify the files on the
>>> keydisk and everything is OK.
>>>
>>> However I now need to change the root password. I understand that I need
>>> to use genuinon for this, and have a second IDE CF device fitted which I
>>> want to use as the genunion/RW partition.
>>>
>>> If I run genunion,
>>> 1. which config files will be stored on the new CF ?
>>> 2. will the USB stick files still be required/used. If so which ones.
>>>
>>> 3. If I wanted to do away with the USB stick and just use genunion by
>>> reinstalling the system and not running genkd, where would the .conf
>>> files be stored on the CF partition.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> regards
>>> Mart
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [Astlinux-users] Case for 2 PCI cards

2008-11-07 Thread Martin Croome
I'm using a TDM400P and an OpenVox MiniPCI HFC ISDN card in an astlinux
system (0.6) in a Net 5501.

It works very well.

I mounted the ISDN board with the connector on it upside down (with
spacers) at the end of the TDM 400P. There is just enough room. I can
send photos if you are interested.

Cheers

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Re: [Astlinux-users] genkd/genunion

2008-11-07 Thread Martin Rogers
Hi

any takers for this question please.

Is this something which no one else has done, or is it just a plain
stupid thing to ask?

Thanks
Mart


Martin Rogers wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have a recent Astlinux system which uses a USB stick and genkd.
> 
> When I want to modify the configuration I can modify the files on the
> keydisk and everything is OK.
> 
> However I now need to change the root password. I understand that I need
> to use genuinon for this, and have a second IDE CF device fitted which I
> want to use as the genunion/RW partition.
> 
> If I run genunion,
>   1. which config files will be stored on the new CF ?
>   2. will the USB stick files still be required/used. If so which ones.
> 
> 3. If I wanted to do away with the USB stick and just use genunion by
> reinstalling the system and not running genkd, where would the .conf
> files be stored on the CF partition.
> 
> Thanks
> regards
> Mart
>   
> 
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[Astlinux-users] Fax detect/receive

2008-11-07 Thread David Kerr
I see that libtiff and spandsp packages are included in astlinux.  Are the
RxFax/TxFax functions and nv_background_detect functions also included?
(see http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/AGX+Extra+Addons+for+Asterisk )
I'm bold enough to try and see if I can receive a fax over a VoIP line with
AstLinux!

Thanks
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Re: [Astlinux-users] Fax detect/receive

2008-11-07 Thread Darrick Hartman
You'd be better off using iaxmodem on another machine tied in with 
hylafax.  Much more robust than rxfax.

I have successfully sent and received faxes over IP through a TDM400p 
card to my Brother fax machine.

Darrick

David Kerr wrote:
> I see that libtiff and spandsp packages are included in astlinux.  Are 
> the RxFax/TxFax functions and nv_background_detect functions also 
> included? 
> (see http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/AGX+Extra+Addons+for+Asterisk )
> 
> I'm bold enough to try and see if I can receive a fax over a VoIP line 
> with AstLinux!
> 
> Thanks
> David
> 
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