Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today where get elton lol? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609693/#p609693 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today yeah, donations are acceptable, in fact I think this is how most projects like these should gather money, look at nvda, they're still going strong. I know nvda is backed up by some other entities, but my point still stands.In fact, if this elton would be so great, the admins so reputable, the community so helpful, the admins so understanding, or, just maybe, the documentation so good, I'm sure this discussion won't even need to happen, since they would have got enough money from donations to cover their costs. For example, because nvda is so great and without it I know I won't be able to do what I do everyday, I sometimes donate to it. This is mostly $50/year or so, but the donations are quite irregular, since I don't winn money yet, however I still do it.So, as seeing AI got donations, so could elton if it was really that good. I guess its userbase is really gonna dwindle a lot in the coming days, well done pals! Destroy it, kill it off the face of the earth, bring an end to it already! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609659/#p609659 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today yeah, donations are acceptable, in fact I think this is how most projects like these should gather money, look at nvda, they're still going strong. I know nvda is backed up by some other entities, but my point still stands.In fact, if this elton would be so great, the admins so reputable, the community so helpful, the admins so understanding, or, just maybe, the documentation so good, I'm sure this discussion won't even need to happen, since they would have got enough money from donations to cover their costs. For example, because nvda is so great and without it I know I won't be able to do what I do everyday, I sometimes donate to it. This is mostly $50/year or so, but the donations are quite irregular, since I don't winn money yet, however I still do it.So, as seeing AI got donations, so could elton if it was really that good. I guess its userbase is really gonna dwindle a lot in the coming days, well done pals! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609659/#p609659 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today Minionslayer, there's a difference between donations and outright putting everything, even basic features behind a paywall. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609658/#p609658 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today @bgt lover, 15AI requests for donations though, and currently has 254 patrons, bringing in £598/month. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609649/#p609649 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today the thing is that with facebook and hwatsapp you don't really have a choice because everyone uses it. Besides, try googling your own name and see what stuff pops up, I was expecting much but not that much info about me, so the internet knows more then you know. You can't avoid companies collecting / spreading data about you really, because then you might as well quit using a computer at all.About elten I think they just decided let's make users pay and make almost every feature payed. No thanks. I'd rather use twitter or something lse and get everything for free URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609646/#p609646 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today the thing is that with facebook and hwatsapp you don't really have a choice because everyone uses it. Besides, try googling your own name and see what stuff pops up, I was expecting much but not that much info about me, so the internet knows more then you know. You can't avoid companies collecting / spreading data about you really, because then you might as well quit using a computer at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609646/#p609646 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today yeah, honestly, we have so many accessible and mainstream solutions for chatting, blog making, social media, etc that we don't need specific blindi programs just for that, the age of clango and such things are long since passed, so why should we encourage its existance by paying? OK, facebook and related products like whatsapp, telegram, etc I know are probably doing nasty things with my data at some point, then why should I think elton is different from all those? At least with whatsapp I get good use out of the platform, but what do I get with elton? Honestly, it's not worth for me to continue writing in such topics anyway, since I know I'll get backlash for this, so have one more thing to say. If we indeed strive for inclusion, accessibility, and equal regard from the society as the sighted, then why don't we use the mainstream apps more, in stead of clinging to our own tools that are supposidly superior because they're made by the blind? If it was something really useful for the blind like seeing AI or whatever else is, I would indeed consider paying, but honestly, why should anyone pay for this?I have youtube premium. Am planning on buying spotify premium too. I do this because I use them a lot, either in simple entertainment, or just not to be interrupted by adds when our teachers send us youtube videos and it's something important, so it's actually of some use to me.In order to support the devs of code7 and the efforts they put in accessibility, I convinced my parents to buy the game, even if it was a bit not my stile, or so I thought at the time Now, compared to all this, why should I pay for elton honestly? If they aren't capable of running a server and maintaining it themselfs, relying on us to pay for the expenses, why should I trust them with my data? Now you might come here, ranting at me and you'd perhaps say that they need to cover their expenses as a small dev team somehow, and I'd understand you to some degree. However, I'll then ask you, how could the guys at the seeing AI team make an app that's so invaluable to most blind people around the world not cost a single penny? You might say because they can, they're a part of microsoft, after all. Then, how did the guy at 15.ai manage to not request any money from us? And please don't come with he's backed up by MIT bullshit, since you know that backing was very, very small indeed.I am not complaining because I don't have money. Gods above, I thank whatever is up there, even if it's destiny, for the fact I am neither poor, nor verry reach, just as it should be, am happy how it is. I am just expressing my dismay at how could someone even consider paying for such a thing, reviving clango, and I herd some of the features in clango aren't even implemented in this elton?One more thing: @most of you, I'm glad you don't even think of paying for this, you're doing a step forward. Nowadays, this somehow feels like paying for bgt again, or even...hell...paying for tt. So guys, wake up from this, we must not huttle in our little corners, we've had enough of that. That's why accessibility teams at most mainstream services exist, there's no point to this anymore, we aren't in the 90's, we must not use dedicated things anymore, it's done, their age is passed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609631/#p609631 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today Yeah, they should get some kind of money for their work, but the things they're charging isn't worth it. I mean, I could literaly type my posts in an online spell checker and just paste it over there. Oh, not to mention that if I type at normal speed it leaves out letters and is laggy AF so URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609566/#p609566 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today I don't really use the platform all that much, so I'm not going to pay for it. I'd rather spend that money on Spotify, or some other stuff I actually use. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609547/#p609547 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today If the platform was actually decent I'd agree that they deserve money for their effort, but I don't see any real improvements coming, nor have I seen many in the past.No I think it's to pay for the server costs, though of course I have no idea how much those actually are. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609501/#p609501 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today I really don't mind them making the service payed. It's a trash platform IMHO so I won't use it either way, but it's really not a big deal.I mean, whoever the developer is, they should be earning some sort of income from the work put in to the software, right?It's pretty ridiculous making Spell checking a part of the premium package though, it's like going around and tossing random features in just because. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609489/#p609489 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today Gonna have to agree with Defender and Master chief. Its only 3/4 dollars a month, but again. I can live without those features, and that platform in general. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609430/#p609430 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today Elton is just a terrible service anyway, so if someone wants to waste their money on it or can find something to get out of it, good for them I guess, but I never will. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609364/#p609364 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Elten contains premium functions since today Elton was crashy buggy crap when I tried it a year or two ago, so nah... I don't think I'm interested in looking again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609353/#p609353 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today Maybe... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609350/#p609350 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today I mean remember when Fantastical Two was a one-time payment type deal, then they converted to a subscription? Yeah that pissed off a lot of people, obviously especially if you had previously owned the app.@Nuno, But this absolutely is not a mainstream service. It's niche, but like both mainstream and other services, they all gotta make money somehow. Of course mainstream corporations can afford to have these types of features free. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609344/#p609344 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today The thing is that every good mainsteream software has such features for free. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609336/#p609336 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today Meh, I don't really see a problem with this. If services are paid that you once had for free, such is life.Swamp was free for a short time and then it was paid. I really don't see the difference. Can it be very frustrating? Of course it can, specially for those who can not purchase these packages, but the developers and staff gotta make money somehow. Now that everything is digital expect everything to have paid paywalls and if it doesn't have them, jjust wait for some time.So many apps on the app store have a free / subscription model and these are very useless apps sometimes.I guess microtransactions and subscription models are the way to go moving forward and I can only see this becoming a bigger and bigger thing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609325/#p609325 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today I’m not really keen on the idea of paying for features that I could use for free at one point. I think it would be better if they came up with really good features that you had to pay for, because having features that you were once able to use for free being taken away from you and made into paid only features is kind of like taking candy from a baby; The baby will cry and it’ll hurt it’s feelings, and in general it’s just not a very nice thing to do. That’s just my personal opinion though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609322/#p609322 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today I really didn't want to comment at first, since I don't use this service but I have nothing else to do so here I come.Seriously, what kind of business model is that?If you just take a look at the features and the prices you'd immediately see that it's all wrong.I'm not going to go over things in detail and what I think about each package, but I feel like the Audiophile one is the most package that's really worth paying for. The others, not so much.I'm talking about an actual feature that's been put behind a pay wall, regardless of the price.Stuff like spelling functionality, pinning stuff, etc. Those are basic features really, why do I have to pay for them?I get the fact that the packages are low in price, but I'm talking about something else in here. I honestly have never used the thing, but locking basic features behind a pay wall? No thanks.To me, it sounds like they did that just because they wanted to get as much cash as they can from their users. That's actually not wrong if you want to get some money back from your work, but it will not go well if you don't think about it long enough before implementing it.Oh and also, aren't bundle packages are supposed to be priced less than if you bought each one on its own? I know the bundle holds more 1 or two features but still. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609291/#p609291 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today I really didn't want to comment at first, since I don't use this service but I have nothing else to do so here I come.Seriously, what kind of business model is that?If you just take a look at the features and the prices you'd immediately see that it's all wrong.I'm not going to go over things in detail and what I think about each package, but I feel like the Audiophile one is the most package that's really worth paying for. The others, not so much.I'm talking about an actual feature that's been put behind a pay wall, regardless of the price.Stuff like spelling functionality, pinning stuff, etc. Those are basic features really, why do I have to pay for them?I get the fact that the packages are low in price, but I'm talking about something else in here. I honestly have never used the thing, but locking basic features behind a pay wall? No thanks.To me, it sounds like they did that just because they wanted to get as much cash as they can from their users. That's actually not wrong if you want to get some money back from your work, but it will not go well if you don't think about it long enough before implementing it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609291/#p609291 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today Doesn't look terrible, but I wouldn't buy it. I just don't use it enough to justify it, and if I did pay for it, I wouldn't want Elten disappearing on my ass. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609285/#p609285 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Elten contains premium functions since today I don't have any problems, the price is fair to me. Just to say that I'm a looky guy! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609251/#p609251 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today
Re: Elten contains premium functions since today About the same in TTD, but for our American viewers,30.00 PLN = 8.04 USD, while 150.00 PLN = 40.20 USD. So, for the year plan, that's like 3.8 USD a month or so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609221/#p609221 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Elten contains premium functions since today
Elten contains premium functions since today What are your opinions? I won't comment on this just yet, i just paste whats said thereThe list of packages follows below with their price, Convert this to your local currencyCourier: 30 PLN per yearProfits:* Following forums in the groups you don't moderate.* Disabling showing of signatures.* Threat marking and bookmarks.* Private messages parking.* Mention history / replyiung to mentions.* Pinning groups* Following posts on blogs.* Attachment size increased to 32 MB in privat6e messages.* Attaching polls to private messages.Audiophile: 30 PLN per year* Downloading of soundthemes.* 2 minute limit for PM is lifted.* 32 KBPS limit for PM is lifted.* Capabality of recording conferences.* Soundcard streaming in conferences* Creating group channels in conferences* Placing objects in HRTF in conferences* Changing HRTF dimensions.Scribe: 30 PLn per year* Creating of more than one blog.* Pinning blogs to groups.* Spell checking* Changing the blog's URL* Disable support request on blogs* Informing about new blog followers.* Translation functionality.* Blog post scheduling.Sponsorship package: 150 PLN per year!* Everything from previous packages* Special assigning of users on lists and forums.* Entry in the lists of sponsors URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609213/#p609213 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
