Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam I understand what you are saying and I wondered if they might be operating a botnet. If anything they're interesting to study. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565502/#p565502 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam @kjsiscoYou realize a big part of my point and the points of others is that the far end of this thing is almost the control node of a botnet if it's not already and that they're a valuable hacking target for that reason?"It doesn't install malware" when it itself is barely this side of the malware line by the nature of what it does is, as usual with your arguments, entirely missing the point.@MeatbagI care that Google knows this stuff about me. But unfortunately it's the nature of the modern world that someone's going to. Google, at least, has a lot riding on not being hacked, and a lot of expertise. Unfortunately the only way around that is to start running your own infrastructure for basically everything, and using something like Duckduckgo which is way worse quality. And you'd still be leaking stuff because of all of the tracking pixels. So then you install a tracking pixel blocker, and then half the web sites go "haha you can't block ads, disable it", the other half have server logs, it's just a never-ending battle that you can't win, the best you can do is be careful about who has your data.But even then, Google isn't actually in the position of being able to intercept all your internet traffic because you installed their internet traffic proxy on your device and gave it permission to do so, and if they tried something like that with Android there's enough eyes on them that we'd all know in about a day if not less. There's a huge difference between Google search keywords and tracking pixels, and what honeygain is able to grab. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565479/#p565479 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam Pay pal does force a password reset after failed tries so that sort of attack would be difficult though a dictionary attack can be done offline so that the hacker can guess passwords on there own time. However, unless there is a Pay Pal breach by honeygain we probably shouldn't go around announcing it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565468/#p565468 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam @Meatbag: THat's just an example. The point is they could be collecting things like payment tokens that, if their security is shady or they do indeed deal in bad faith with the information, they could easily trace it back to payment infor of some kind. Paypal may be more secure for the every-day user but not so much for a brute force when they only limit you to a 20 character passowrd (I'll tell'em where to stick it for that one one of htese days) so a dictionary attack could only have the permutations of 20 characters to bludgeon through. Paypal probably won't fix that because they can make money through account hacks (remember the Twitch emote disaster?) Even if you get the good side of their support staff and a dispute does get solved, your money would probably get held for several days just as if you moved money from your bank to your Paypal, just so they can collect floating interest on it before giving it back to you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565464/#p565464 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam I did my own audit. They don't spread malware. What I do know is that they sell your data and I am asking them what data they sell. I'm sure they can come clean about that because they have no trouble admitting to people that they do indeed sell it to third parties. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565462/#p565462 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam So may I ask a stupid question? What's wrong with companies knowing what porn I like or whatever. If I want to search for porn I will go to Google that way Google knows that. my ISP no more than that. My VPN could know that if they want. And what's wrong with it anyways. It's not critical information like my credit card or whatever, and they are not going to tell my dad that I watch this and that so they could have it all they want. I don't care about this program since I can't use it anyways but it's a general question URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565400/#p565400 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam Heh, in some countries, HoneyGain actually allows you to opt in to sharing the content (what you're browsing). I happen to have a few spair boxes lying around and so I use it to finance my monthly ISP bill. But those boxes are ones I use for pen testing or running a windows insider build, are on a separate subnet from my main networks and are running the "noisy" chrome extension to give HoneyGain all the content it ever wants I'd say I rake in $50 - $60 USD per month or so from two IP addresses. I'd never run it on my own production boxen though or have any of my personal info on the boxen I do run it on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565348/#p565348 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam kjsisco if you were really a security consultant, why dont you analyze it yourself? why do you need to email them? you do know they can lie, right? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565346/#p565346 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam No security consultant means security consultant. I also happen to run a podcast. I didn't realize you couldn't do both things. And sure they could lie but it seems to me that they're telling the truth about selling your unused data. We all know that is what these apps do let's face it! So, they have been upfront about that. This means that if you use this program you are handing your data over. It isn't being taken. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565327/#p565327 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam they can simply give incorrect information you knowi wonder what do you need to know to be a security guy, stand all day guarding adoor, there ya go your guarding for the thieves URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565306/#p565306 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam I'm pretty sure security consultant here means runs a podcast, not, like, actually consulting. But whatever. There's nothing I can do. But, if you were a security consultant, you could download this and analyze it, I'm not sure why e-mailing them is considered trustworthy. That's really naive. You don't ask people with every reason to lie to you for assurances they aren't lying to you and take it at face value, either. They don't even have a web site written with good English. And before someone goes "but some people don't speak English", businesses hire translators for a reason, and since they can hand out money to you for "free" surely they can hand out money to a translator for work.@41If I'm your pro lawyer, I'm not claiming to be a pro lawyer. I can't tell if you're being satirical or serious, but if you are being serious, it should be noted that you can get an LLC with 2 online forms and $100 in most U.S. states, a business account with a quick trip to your bank of choice, and a payment processor that can handle these sorts of scenarios by signing up for Stripe or Square or something in another few hours after that. Anyone who's run a small business will know all of this; I do because I did programming contracting for a year or so. Anyone who's handling data like Honeygain can do way better by getting lawyers involved to do something like an S corp properly.That actually all protects them from you, not you from them, though. But it does also show that they were able to get institutions like banks to put their necks out to be a payment processor, and were confident enough in themselves to get a permanent name and legal entity that can't just vanish into the great clusterfuck in the sky when this eventually blows up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565305/#p565305 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam I should point out that they do have a privacy policy. Of course that is just to make the lawyers happy. Oh and I didn't say I'm trusting them. I am looking into them without passing judgment. You are free to believe my status as security consultant; that doesn't bother me. Of course you base your views on nothing. As I said I emailed them and we will see who they are and what they do. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565290/#p565290 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam Oh yeah I remember the so-called lawyer... Hmm yeah I wouldn't touch this thing. Not only that, but if the internet isn't in your name, you shouldn't be putting shit like that on it in the first place. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565287/#p565287 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam @40, I really don't think your a security consultant. Because if you really were, you wouldn't be blatantly trusting a corporation that's shady as all hell. Your own words condemn your supposed credentials. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565278/#p565278 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam 1337 hax0rs and pro lawyers. We're collecting quite the talent pool on here huh. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565277/#p565277 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam of course I understand about scams. I'm not ignorant to that. I have actually emailed honeygain demanding they tell me what they collect. If they give me a stupid answer or outright decline I will blow the whistle on my podcast and encourage people not to use them. You can question my roll as security consultant all you want. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565268/#p565268 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam @37Says who? Every single business use case they list here requires them to collect what you're viewing. At a minimum they're getting lists of urls. They can just define "personal data" as "we don't look at your device's storage", that's not a legal term or anything like that, it can mean whatever they want. And in fact they even go so far as to spell out that this is what they mean:Your internet traffic is used by trusted partners and high reputation companies only. All of the connections made through your device are securely encrypted, and the Honeygain app itself will not gain any access to your device's storage.If you're a security consultant, you should know that SEO applications require more than just upload and download rates, and that if something is being used for SEO, it's certainly doing more than just knowing what your bandwidth is. Notably their FAQ on what Honeygain actually collects also just says it's secure, not actually what they collect. And if you dig around a bit more:When Honeygain started, we offered an unseen functionality for our users - getting paid passively for sharing your internet connection and becoming a traffic proxy. Google, in our opinion, wrongfully interpreted this functionality as abusive behavior. Google explained that Honeygain had breached the Developer program Device and Network abuse policy which says ‘Apps that facilitate proxy services to third parties may only do so in apps where that is the primary, user-facing core purpose of the app.Which admits that they're functioning as a proxy and got slapped down by Google for it, just phrased in a "we're the underdog" way, because their business model is get you to override your better judgement and everyone likes the underdog.But: assume they're entirely legit, they're still requiring that you install this sort of monitoring. They send money to you via personal accounts, not via an LLC, so they don't even have that much right. As a security consultant, you should also understand that it also matters whether or not honeygain themselves are secure, and that if a hacker gets access to any of this they've got the far end of some sort of proxy, which is even implied to be bidirectional--so not only can a hacker see your internet traffic, they can also send stuff via it. I'm assuming that the app probably installs some sort of VPN, and is shady about it, but am not going to try installing it to find out. But do we really expect someone who can't even get basic business stuff working to be following best security practices? No, no we don't.SO: I really, really try to avoid personal attacks, but either you're a very underqualified security consultant or you're lying about being a security consultant, and I honestly can't tell which. They're blatant about the kinds of things they have access to, you can find out that it's a very disturbing amount of stuff without even going beyond their official site, well beyond what you're claiming it is. And apparently you're also willing to trust someone's claims of security without verifying, as well. "We're secure and we promise we don't collect personal information even for the long list of business use cases that require it that we blatantly list on our site, but here is free money" should have any even halfway competent security consultant running for the hills, but you're not. That's scary, if you actually have clients taking and implementing your advice, because getting this wrong suggests you're almost certainly getting other more important and more complex things wrong, too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565267/#p565267 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam @37 tbh, idk what to say to your poast.It seems to me at least that you think that everything is transparent, honey gain could be spyware or another type of malware.It'd be lovely if the world revolved around transparency but sadly it does not.Also dude, if your a security consultant, really you aught to know that there are scams and malware out there, your post 37 really makes me wonder about your job as a security consultant.If you are actualy one, you might want to go back to the basics for a while, that's all I'll say. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565261/#p565261 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam @37 tbh, idk what to say to your poast.It seems to me at least that you think that everything is transparent, honey gain could be spyware or another type of malware.It'd be lovely if the world revolved around transparency but sadly it does not.Also dude, if your a security consultant, really you aught to know that there are scams and malware out there, your post 37 really makes me wonder about your job as a security consultant.If you are actualy one, you might want to go back to the basics for a while. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565261/#p565261 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam The network uses is what is being monitored. Uptime, download rate, upload rate, that sort of data. What you do online such as banking or watching vids are not shown. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565260/#p565260 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam Yeah. If you're getting money directly from employees, not from the business itself, that's beyond weird and into the realm of "we don't have an LLC for some reason but still want to handle incredibly sensitive data". Also, do be aware that fake names on Paypal will absolutely not help you at all in any way, if you ever have to go to Paypal support for something.Also, proving something isn't a scam is entirely incompatible with changing names in things because you want to be anonymous. "Here's some evidence but I hid all the names" isn't, like, actually evidence of anything.but I don't know why I bother. Those of us who know not to touch this stuff with a 10-foot pole won't, and everyone else isn't going to care what any of us who understand the risks actually say about it. But if your credit card ever gets mysteriously stolen and you're like "Wow, that ATM must have been hacked" or something and this is still running, I've got news for you: it wasn't the ATM. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565214/#p565214 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam I still think that your making a huge, huge mistake. I don't care what company this is; if they're not telling you what they're doing with your data and your not doing anything to actually earn the money, then the money comes from someone (or something) else, and that's really, really bad, both for you and for the company. And I'm also really confused; why would someone within the company send you an email like that with an invoice? Over 80 percent of the time things like that are automated emails. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565206/#p565206 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam I didn't change my name, I used that for this pay pal account, since I had to make a burner one, told you I wouldn't use my main one.And no 5 dollars were missing, just 1.4 and that was a conversion fee because stupid conversion rates.I changed the other's name though since it was an actual person who sent them, some honeygain employee, not a pay pal address with the honeygain in the name.Edit:I also changed my name in the email from Honeygain because that one was my real, ful name, so no thanks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565169/#p565169 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam I didn't change my name, I used that for this pay pal account, since I had to make a burner one, told you I wouldn't use my main one.And no 5 dollars were missing, just 1.4 and that was a conversion fee because stupid conversion rates.I changed the other's name though since it was an actual person who sent them, some honeygain employee, not a pay pal address with the honeygain in the name. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565169/#p565169 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam The only trustworthy one is Paypal. Changing the name of the person who sent the money takes your point and discredits you. Changing the others is understandable. But it would be entirely understandable if money came from fake names, and I'm really, really not sure what to make of this thread. You spent a week turnaround time for this payout, $5 of it went missing, you seem to trust what Honeygain is saying over Paypal, and no matter how you slice it they still know what porn you like or whatever.One of these days chasing the tiny, tiny payout like this is going to get you into trouble. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565156/#p565156 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam Thhat is me changing the names.There wouldn't be any transaction fee, but they kinda had to convert them so, yeah.I had another email from Honeygain that told me that I actually got the money, but I lost it some how, I believe my cousin deleted it when she was playing on my phone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565145/#p565145 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam So apparently €15.24 isn't exactly $20.01?Also, Beef Sandwich? Uh, okay then... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565114/#p565114 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam Hey, so here are the emails, same with my referal at the end.Honeygain wrote:Hey, Bomberman!No description available.Download attachment Just wanted to let you know, that we've confirmed your payout of 20.01 USD and it has been forwarded to you.Money will be transferred to your PayPal account shortly!LoveThe Honeygain teamIf you have any questions about the payout process check our HelpdeskP.S. Would you like to win $5 in our weekly lottery? Simply share a screenshot of your payout to PayPal account on Instagram and tag us @honeygain_app! Winners are drawn every Thursday!Honeygain accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.Payments are Powered by Tipalti. See Tipalti's terms.Pay Pal wrote:Hello, King Cobra. PayPal Beef Sandwich has sent you 15,24 EUR.Note from Beef Sandwich:quoteBeef SandwichquoteTransaction DetailsTransaction ID: 3FR602697K277674J26 August 2020Amount received:15,24 EURPlease note that it may take a little while for this payment to appear in the Activity section of your account.Get DetailsIf you have any questions about this payment, you can send an email to payo...@honeygain.com. No description available. PayPal Help & Contact | Security | AppstwitterinstagramfacebooklinkedinHow do I know this is not a Spoof email?PayPal is committed to preventing fraudulent emails. Emails from PayPal will always contain your full name. Spoof or "phishing" emails tend to have generic greetings such as "Dear PayPal member". To learn more, go to the PayPal website and click Security. PayPal is committed to preventing fraudulent emails. Emails from PayPal will always contain your full name. Learn to identify phishing Please don't reply to this email. To get in touch with us, click Help & Contact. Not sure why you received this email? Learn more Copyright © 1999-2020 PayPal. All rights reserved.PayPal (Europe) S.à r.l. et Cie, S.C.A. Société en Commandite par Actions Registered Office: 22–24 Boulevard Royal, L-2449 Luxembourg RCS Luxembourg B 118 349PayPal PPC001004:1.21:691d4f376ddf8 And finaly, my referal to get 5 bucks for free:https://r.honeygain.me/GRECIB2A1DAlso, sorry for the way the emails look, Gmail on Brave is to be blamed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565111/#p565111 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam @27If you're a security consultant, I'm not sure how you can be saying this with a straight face. That data includes credit card numbers, your sexual orientation, what kind of porn you like. And I believe this is on phones, so it also includes basically literally everything else about you. At all. And that's before we even get to the derived stuff like Cambridge Analytica.perhaps you're an odd enough person that random strangers somewhere who value your data enough that they're buying it from you with shady apps knowing your weird fetishes and your credit card numbers doesn't bother you, but I think it's grossly irresponsible and borderline unethical to say "I'm a security consultant and I see no problem with this" in a context where most people don't know what kind of data these apps are taking, and don't believe those of us who are qualified when we try to tell them. That's anti-security consulting.If someone actually makes the choice to give the incredibly shady app their entire internet history for the possible vague promise of some small amount of money in the future and the hope that it won't ever be hacked or sent somewhere you don't want it to be, it's a free world. But is $20 really worth intentionally selling your darkest secrets? I mean yeah, a lot of big tech companies have them anyway, but someone like Google has a vested interest in making sure they handle it with some degree of responsibility, and something like Honeygain has a vested interest in handling it as irresponsibly as they can possibly get away with, so... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565043/#p565043 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam @27, that's... kinda irrelevant. The ultimate point is that we have absolutely no idea what Honeygain is doing. Yes, it pays you money... so what? I cannot endorse or support something that is not transparent about what its doing when I'm doing absolutely nothing to earn the money I get. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564980/#p564980 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam As a security consultant I agree accept for one point. Data today is a valuable resource. If SEO and market researchers can produce data from my data and I can actually have my ISP connection pay for itself why not? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564969/#p564969 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
2020-08-27
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Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam Hi,So even if this is not a scam, there can only be some questionable activities going on through the bandwidth Honeygain gets through this in my opinion, and I wouldn't want to give them my Internet Connection to do whatever they are doing as I don't want to support possibly shady activity. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564923/#p564923 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam I think you guys have overlooked a point.Just because this app pays you money does not mean it is legit.Your network and computer could be used for any assortment of shadey stuff. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564922/#p564922 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam Do you need to have a PayPal account for all this? What if I only have a credit card, can I withdraw from it somehow? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564915/#p564915 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam I was going to change my and the person's name with something cool that I made up anyway, I should post both emails, the one from pay pal and the one from honeygain. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564910/#p564910 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam Hi,Remember if/when you post the payment proof here if you are going to do this, please, please for your safety please delete personal information such as names from the post. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564896/#p564896 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam
Re: Honeygain, actually not a scam Ok so, yesterday the forum gave me an error all day, but yesterday night Honeygain gave me the money.I will post the payment proof later when I am not in a hurry. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564892/#p564892 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
