Question for Gamers Running Windows XP
2017-03-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Joseph Westhouse via Audiogames-reflector
Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Hi all,I know a lot of audio games players are still running Windows XP. For those of you who are, I was wondering if you could answer a simple question: why? In your personal situation, why haven't you upgraded to a newer version of Windows? Is it a fear of the unknown, not knowing what the new OS will be like? Inaccessibility of the upgrade process? Something else?I ask for a couple of reasons. One serious hurdle we're dealing with is the fact that, now that XP is no longer supported by Windows, it's very difficult to build something that will work on both XP and in new environments. For example, when looking into the possibility of publishing for Windows 10 and the Xbox store, we've found that some of the libraries we have to use in order to run on XP are too old to work in that environment, and the libraries we'd have to use for our purposes in the UWP environment aren't supported on XP. So for the general purposes of trying to get a ccessible gaming more prevalent in the mainstream market, designing for XP makes that difficult. So it would be good to at least know why people are on XP to begin with.I'm also informally asking on behalf of some Microsoft folks. I got to talk to some of the ID@Xbox people at GDC including their community lead for gamers with disabilities, and their main accessibility people, and they were all pretty shocked when I told them so many blind gamers were still running XP. They wanted to understand why that was, and I told them I'd see what I could find out.So, if you are running XP, it would be incredibly helpful if you'd post a short reply letting me know why, personally, you're still on that OS. Thanks!(PS: If you aren't on XP, you could mention that too. Might help to debunk the myth that audio games can only be played on XP...) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303337#p303337 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP
2017-03-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Guitarman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Hello.Well right now I'm not on xp I'm running windows 7. I did have an xp desktop years ago and I liked it but I like windows 7 more.Personally I have no problem upgrading I've never done it so I don't know how but that's another story. I would love to have windows 10, I don't fear unknown computer stuff or inaccessibility, you will run into that on any os eventually. As much as I enjoyed xp in the past I think it's time to get rid of it. It's becoming a problem especially when trying to run new software. I think you should develop your game for newer windows computers and forget about backward compatibility at least for now.So to sum all that up, I have no problem with newer versions of windows, I haven't used xp in years so I'm not worried about that.Hth. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303345#p303345 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP
2017-03-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : flame_elchemist via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP i always try to upgrade to a new OS when it comes out. even if their are bugs. I like to see what the devs broke and made better. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303356#p303356 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP I used to primarily use Windows XP because I couldn't stand newer versions of Windows. When I moved to a Mac in 2013, my only reason for using Windows was to play games so I continued to use XP. However, I'm now ready to upgrade to the Windows 10 Creators update since we have a talking installer. That was my biggest complaint about Windows. I couldn't ever troubleshoot it on my own. Now, I can. Yes, I still don't really like newer versions of Windows, but I'm going to have to move on at some point. The major accessibility enhancements will make me do that regardless of the stupid advertising Microsoft is starting to do and all the other problems.As for Windows XP compatibility, I don't really care anymore. If this is going to be developed with modern versions of Windows, the legacy support may not make sense. This is especially true now that Microsoft is cranking off new major builds once or twice a year now. Windows 7 will soon become obsolete and no one in their right mind liked Windows 8 and 8.1. Ideally, I'd like to see all future audio games become available for all accessible platforms, but that might be wishful thinking on my part. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303360#p303360 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP I used to primarily use Windows XP because I couldn't stand newer versions of Windows. When I moved to a Mac in 2013, my only reason for using Windows was to play games so I continued to use XP. The other problem I observed was that some of the older games were a little unstable on Windows Vista/7/8. However, I'm now ready to upgrade to the Windows 10 Creators update since we have a talking installer. That was my biggest complaint about Windows. I couldn't troubleshoot it on my own. Now, I can. Yes, I still don't really like newer versions of Windows, but I'm going to have to move on at some point. The major accessibility enhancements will make me do that regardless of the stupid advertising Microsoft is baking into the operating system and all the other problems.As for Windows XP compatibility, I don't really care anymore. If this is going to be developed with modern versions of Windows, the legacy support may not make sense. This is especiall y true now that Microsoft is cranking off new major builds once or twice a year. Windows 7 will shortly become obsolete and no one in their right mind liked Windows 8 and 8.1. Ideally, I'd like to see all future audio games become available for all accessible platforms, but that might be wishful thinking on my part. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303360#p303360 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP I suspect it's a matter of just... not knowing what's gonna happen like you saidin my case I took mine to win 7 as soon as I could then win 10, I haven't looked back and most audio games still work, it's just a matter of tracking down the older components that some require URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303362#p303362 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP I'm in a position where I certainly could use windows 7, I did use windows 7 for 5 years now and can live with it, I have my reasons for not yet upgrading to windows 10, privacy concerns related to telemetry, and the ads built in. But my situation prevents me from running anything above xp. I could certainly do it, but my situation is that I'm running virtual machines off an external hd. I also run mac so don't need windows for much. For both of those reasons, I decided to go lightweight, and windows xp is significantly lighter compared to windows 7. I did try windows 7 and didn't have much problems, but the hard drive itself is what makes me hesitant on running 7. The hard drive has this problem where it'll randomly disconnect from the mac. I don't know why, it's as if the drive hits a millisecond power serge or something to that effect. The drive is a seagate desktop 2terabyte sshd inside a usb sata enclosure, and that enclosure is powered exte rnally. Nice idea to avoid going bus-powered, but thanks to these serges I'm not sure if my power strip is serge protective or not, because if it is it shouldn't be going through what appear to be power blinks Because my hd disconnects, windows gets interrupted, a kin to pulling the plug on the pc. So if I were to use windows 7 and yes this has happened on windows 7 for the record, startup repair would pretty much ram itself down my throat because of all these unexpected powerdowns. Hell I don't even think it's that good for windows xp either, I've had my Twitter session data for Chicken Nugget corrupt on me after a few of these disconnects. But bringing xp back to life is nowhere near as much of a headache as windows 7. If I can just get this fixed I may consider upgrading to 7 but for now, this is where it has to be. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303373#p303373 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP
2017-03-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Joseph Westhouse via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Ok, thanks for the info. Jack, I imagine your situation is a little unique, but I'm mostly wondering about Windows users who are still using XP. Maybe it's not actually as common as I thought. I guess we'll see—I hope a lot more people will respond :-) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303376#p303376 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP You're right, I don't know of anyone else who has my situation practically forcing me to run xp. You'd think running on a fairly top of the line mac with 8gb ram opens up a world of opportunity for running all versions of windows, which it technically does, but when you sacrifice your internal hard drive space in exchange for higher ram, external hd's come into play to make running vm's harder. It's unfortunate that the mac's hd can't be upgraded, so it's a done deal. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303377#p303377 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP
2017-03-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Sightless Kombat via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP I've not run on XP for many years, I upgraded from XP to 8, then from 8 to 8.1 and then to 10, as I'd found 7 to be the clunkiest operating system that I've ever had the displeasure to try.But that's beside the point. I'm currently running on Windows 10 and as much as I have privacy concerns, the accessibility of the operating system outweighs these for the most part. Though I've had a few issues, these have been, as far as I'm aware, relatively minor.I'd like to see AHC come out on the UWP, partly because then it might mean that an Xbox version would be easier to implement. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303415#p303415 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP
2017-03-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : livrobo via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP I'm one of the people who are on modern Windows. Honestly, I like seeing software drop support for XP. People will have to move over eventually, and the longer they wait, the more difficult it's going to be to get familiar with current versions of Windows.If you fire up a virtual machine just to play some old audio games, I see no problem with that. But people who are still running XP as a daily driver are just asking for issues. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303427#p303427 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP I'm basically with Chris and Jack, in most regards. On a Mac, an XP VM is small and efficient, has a Start menu that I actually want to use, and can be locked down tighter than a duck's arse. Later versions of Windows are simply less good. However, I would use them if necessary. Where I diverge from popular opinion is in acceptance of Windows 10; I have already said, many times, and my position is reenforced with every stupid decision Microsoft makes, that I will vigorously avoid a platform that disregards my privacy and shows me ads. The accessibility improvements (and the bash shell/Linux subsystem) are wonderful, but not enough to stop me using Windows 7 or 8.1 with Classic Shell (the latter I find quite acceptable, actually, and very stable too, much more so than Windows 7 ever was). If Microsoft will let me pay for a version of Windows 10 that doesn't offend my sensibilities, I will seriously look into it again; until then, it's either an XP VM or a fully- booted native Windows 8.1. HTH. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303466#p303466 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Joseph,Right now I have Windows Vista, Windows XP and Windows 8.1 computers.Back in 1995 to 2000 I developed games for DOS that required a hardware speech synthesizer.They worked on Windows 95 and 98 computers and still worked great on XP computers but did not work on newer versions of Windows.When we started developing games for Windows, they needed Microsoft's DirectX version 8.1 to play the sounds.When Windows Vista, 7 and 8 came out, Microsoft's DirectX was changed so the distance between the far left sound and the far right sound was reduced.In other words Microsoft mixed a bit of the left channel into the right and vice versa.So Windows games designed for Windows XP did not sound as good on more recent Windows computers. I plan on updating my Windows 8.1 computer to Windows 10 this year. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303491#p303491 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Hmmm, I find this talk of adds on windows 10 rather strange since I don't notice any particularly, not on the operating system itself. it is true that there was a lot of stuff which came with the computer by default which I removed using c cleaner, but that is true of any machine, hell my original xp machine came with a lot of links to microsoft gaming zone etc that I didn't want. Microsoft Edge by default did seem to be showing lots of adds, but whether that was just the webpage it was pointed at I'm not sure. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303497#p303497 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Hi.I'm running Windows 10 on a virtual machine on my Mac without any issues. It runs very stable, and much better than Windows 7. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303513#p303513 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Actually Pitermach, it's Supernova 14 that was the first version not! to support xp. on this xp laptop I have 13.59 which was the last version of Sn to work with Supernova, then again as I said for windows 10 I have largely switched to Nvda anyway.I will say part of my reluctance to move from xp was compatibility, but as you said at this time that is not as much an issue, though i do need to inveestigate talking dosbox (especially for Aemon deluxe). It's a real legacy to Jim Kitchin just how useful is winkit exe is for installing vb dependencies quickly and easily. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303547#p303547 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP
2017-03-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Joseph Westhouse via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP This is all really interesting. I'm surprised that thus far, the only people who are using XP are those running Windows in a VM on a Mac. That's really fascinating. Obviously this is a very small sample size—but maybe it's not as important to design with XP compatibility in mind as we'd originally thought. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303563#p303563 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Hello,As I'm playing video games like Killer instinct for example win 10 is only one option but it's okay for me. I can't see a point why to use older versions of windows. Win 10 is working really stable here and I'm happy with it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303580#p303580 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP As I said Joseph, I did use xp up until recently and indeed this is an xp laptop I'm using now. But these days there is just too much that won't work on xp to make it worth the continual hassle of trying to runn it, and most older games do! work on Windows 10, indeed one of the first things I installed was Esp pinball classic and I was extremely pleased how well that worked. Plus as I said, I much prefer 10 to 7 myself. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303587#p303587 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP
2017-03-23
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Joseph Westhouse via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Out of curiosity, Dark, why did you use XP until recently? Did you try the other OS releases and go back, and if so what didn't you like about them? Or did you have another reason for not upgrading until recently? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303613#p303613 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Well In fairness I did use Xp longer than planned since I originally intended to get a new pc much earlier, but things like getting married got in the way of that temporarily.As to other things, I did try 7 several times and disliked it. The layout of windows explorer even when set on lists, and the start menu I found extremely irritating, plus I still miss outlook express as the mail alternatives such as outlook and live mail are far too cluttered and don't have instant contact management, one reason why I'll likely be checking thunderbird in windows 10 shortly and why I installed classic shell to handle the start menu in a logical way rather than recommended this and last used that, since generally i like my program groups and such in sufolders and I like my subfolders to stay where I put'em .Also as I said I've found both my lady's win dows 7 machines to be buggy as hell and extremely finicky, though to what extent this is due to the os and to what due to the hardware I don't know, still this combined with the other factors I mention doesn't endear me to 7 as an operating system. I admit I was apprehensive of Windows 10 particularly in layout terms, but when I found out more about it it turned out things were fixable in a way I could work with, and indeed as I said in a way that I prefer to 7, though I am still not entirely happy with the default windows 10 email program.A further and more distinct problem I had, is the problem of concrete differences, indeed this is one I routinely argued with Thomas ward about. People would say things like "windows 7 is more secure" or "windows 7 handles data faster" to which I would respond "but what does it do?" it often seemed that i was being asked to give up convenience, program compatibility and an ea sy to use layout for some nebulous set of "it's more" type of statements that ultimately didn't amount to much other than security paranoyer and desire to have larger computer specs for their own sake, and of course because microsoft were greedy bastards who weren't doing their job of making something better than xp ie, able to run all the stuff xp did but with increased security etc. This situation however definitely began to change in about 2015 or so, when increasingly newer software and even web services would no longer run on xp, and to compensate the associated problems with running older software on newer os were being solved (though not due to microsoft's efforts).While I do admit to being late in upgrading to windows 10, I really should've done it a year ago or more, I still don't regret waiting until things were relatively stabilized. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303662#p303662 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Dark, try OE Classic. It's supposed to be an Outlook Express clone that runs on newer versions of Windows. It can be found at https://www.oeclassic.com/downloadI have to agree with Dark concerning Windows XP and the internet. At this point, I wouldn't recommend using it for anything serious. As I said, I have it installed on my old Mac Mini to play a couple of games like Alter Aeon and the BSC titles. However, I don't find myself playing that many games nowadays so my Windows usage is almost nonexistent. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303678#p303678 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP
2017-03-23
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Trajectory via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP I have never seen an ad in Windows 10, outside of third party websites. Never. Are you sure you don't just have malware?I used XP until 2010. It became clear that I needed a computer with higher specs (and a second computer, in case mine broke).I was a little nervous, but I upgraded to Windows 7 at that point and had to upgrade Jaws in order to do it.Similar experience in 2014 when that computer failed.This computer came with Windows 8, and I took the free Windows 10 upgrade when it was offered.It's always a learning curve but I can't say I've ever had a major problem. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303733#p303733 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Windows 10 has advertisements for apps and games on the Start Menu, Lock Screen, soon file Explorer, and a few other areas I'm forgetting. Microsoft doesn't like to call these advertisements and prefers the term "tips and tricks". Still, when you get messages about subscribing to Office 365 and other crap, I call that advertisements. Fortunately, you can turn all this garbage off. Here's an article all about it.https://www.howtogeek.com/269331/how-to … vertising/These may not impact a screen reader user as much, but they're still incredibly annoying. I bet this crap was the reason garbage like Candy Crush kept automatically downloading when I was testing the Windows 10 Creators Preview. Silly Microsoft. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303737#p303737 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Hmmm, Chris, odd you mention these adverts. I've never noticed such things in windows explorer, and all of the crap like mine craft, candy crush and the xbox addons I just removed with C cleaner, hell I could remove tips n tricks too, but didn't bother just in case, I even kept groove music and the netflicks icon though I might remove those later.Once I removed the associated crap, the start menu didn't have that much on that was irritating, though I did also install classic shell to have a logical start menu layout and actually sensible places for program shortcuts, which also means I don't see links to stuff like the microsoft store unless I specifically go to the aps part of the menu (again C cleaner could get rid of those if I really was that bothered, though i'm keeping the link to the ms store just on the off chance something might come up in the future).While having to kill these things off is a necessary evil, by the same tocan when I bought my first xp machine it had all sorts of random glubbiage on that I didn't want, eg, microsoft gaming zone, msm, encarter etc etc, so I didn't really see the business in windows 10 as that much different. I might if it weren't possible to get rid of these things, but that wasn't the case. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303820#p303820 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP @Dark, I must say that it's remarkable how well you've adapted. Much as I predicted you would ... and somewhat ironically, given my position now of recalcitrance where Windows is concerned. It's nice that you're on a modern OS now, at any rate, if for no other reason than modern requirements. My XP VM is only being used for games, by contrast.As for ads, I guess each to his own, but I can't use an OS with ads and spyware built-in. I mean, the argument about OEM bloatware is fair enough, but you could always remedy that by reinstalling Windows from scratch. With Win10, the very (very!!!) first thing you do is install C-cleaner, to remove the garbage. I can't imagine I'm the only one to find that deeply offensive. And of course with Microsoft pushing updates whether you want them or not, and (accidentally, I feel quite sure) reseting privacy-critical settings with every little update, and providing no legitimate user opt-out for telemetry ga thering, I'm just not prepared to reward what is clearly intended to be anti-user behaviour. If Microsoft can charge for their OS--yes, maybe even on a yearly basis--without selling out their users' privacy and personal spaces, instead of the absurd situation we've got now where Microsoft are essentially double-dipping (once on your wallet, and then again on your data) I'll be truly, truly glad to reconsider. I mean, I _want_ to have choice. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303823#p303823 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP
Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP To be honest Sebby as I said with the add thing and installing c cleaner, I install c cleaner on any machine as a matter of course. I've got it on this xp laptop and have been using it for quite a while, ever since Avg Pc tuneup buggered their interface and became slow as a hog in january in fact, and as I said I didn't see removal of the stuff that the pc came with aka, companies who paid microsoft for free advertising as anything that different to what I was used to. With the spyware business I can't speak since it's just not something I've noticed, then again i do intend to carry on backup by usb and keep as much of my personal data, especially sensative stuff like bank information off the computer as possible. Other spyware I'm not really too certain of at this point. In terms of adaptation, as you might recall I was investigating getting a mac back in early 2015 since we were finally at a point when the actual upgrade actually did! something worth while and of practical value. Unfortunately that plan got rather scuppered by various other more important things going on in my life at the time and I didn't consider things again until Dolphin offered their sn 16 upgrade complete with a pc attached (which sort of back fired, but hay).Also i think a lot of it is to do with the fact that I much prefer the layout of windows 10 to windows 7, at least with the classic shell start menu (and in fairness I did try to use the regular start menu too, indeed I've just bought a stand mike and it'll be interesting to see what I can get Cortana to do). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303826#p303826 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP @Dark: it's fair enough and I'm absolutely not arguing with your choices, in fact apart from the blow-out with Dolphin it sounds like you're doing great and I'm really happy for you. And I agree that Classic Shell is an absolute must on modern Doze. You've only one problem to solve now, that being email. That's actually a pretty cool place to be in since there are loads of different alternatives. The Mac would simply have meant exchanging one set of compromises for another set, and since it's clear you're handling Windows just great it's hardly a point of contention. The rest of it is just getting used to it, and once you've done that you'll probably wonder what all the fuss was about. As an aside, Dolphin are selling the pen for a small fee on top of the Supernova upgrade license. They offered, and since it was only an extra £50 to the cost of an upgrade, I bought, but I guess it shows even Dolphin are aware that charging twice for the exact same software isn't going to cut it any more. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303832#p303832 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Well Sebby I will admit that Windows 10 has been far less problematic than I thought especially in terms of layout, the moral of the story seems to be that I should've tried the dam thing out rather than assuming what I'd seen on windows 7 which I disliked also held true for windows 10. Then again Microsoft have said the layout of windows 10 is staying know, and while we all know what ms are like for their promises it does seem a reasonable bet that working with windows 10 will be a good idea for the forseeable future. As far as email goes I don't know whether to try the freeware outlook express or thunderbird, we'll have to see. One thing I really! miss from outlook express is the dropdown contacts list and the ability to select a message ricipient without being always tied to auto complete, but we'll see, indeed I still haven't got to grips with all the ins and outs of Nvda yet and how to run it with different programs and window types. I also want to try liber office, since I have heard it doesn't interfere with formatting and doc layout. I was concerned given that my Phd thesis is very specifically formatted being a highly formal academic document, but ultimately it won't hurt to try, (especially since hopefully my doctorate will actually be finished soon), and I really don't want to pay microsoft a hundred quid or fourty quid a year if I can help it, especially since I don't use xl, outllook i actively dislike and the only part of office I really want is the word processing. As to mac, I did heavily consider mac, but I didn't fancy the idea of having to run a virtual machine whenever I wanted to play windows related games, plus when I tried a mac it did seem the basic speech navigation keys for voiceover were a little complex. This isn't to knock anyone who uses a mac, indeed I suspect were I coming to the hole thing afresh I'd probably ha ve chosen mac instead of Windowsbut support for the programs I already have and familiarity with screen readers and layout sort of biased me on the matter. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303837#p303837 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP I'm not currently using Windows XP, though I was rather considering buying an XP laptop a couple months ago. The thing is? This idea of software upgrades as a manditory part of life never sat well with me. And I suppose I mean "upgrades" in the chronological sense. But I'm a weirdo who just likes things that have this nasty habit of going and changing in undesirable ways. It's only really offensive when the point is to replace the likable thing. No amount of Xbokes will make my Sega Genesis disappear, but ever since internet access became ubiquitous, "upgrades" have been nothing but replacing things I like with things I don't. (Skype is a pain and always has been. MSN Messenger and its later Windows Live Messenger incarnation were better than tolerible. You will notice that I got to where I could stand WLM updates, so long as they didn't break accessibility or run extra clunkily.) Basically? I want to use what I like. I don't want my options restricted to the newest shiniest products. On the same hand, I can't expect companies to still release Sega Genesis games, and WLM required Microsoft's servers and so Microsoft can do whatever they want with it, no matter how vehemently I disapprove. So, yeah, I like as much backward compatibility as possible in everything, but if this is having to switch to PC and Playstation if I want Mortal Kombat 4 all over again, then so be it. TLDR: I like things. I don't like being forced to give up said things for less likable alternatives. But I understand that backward compatibility gets ridiculous after a couple decades and don't expect XP compatibility in future software. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303906#p303906 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Well Cae personally I think nintendo should still! be making games for my snes and ggb advanced rather than all this 3d nonsense that I can't play, indeed it was lack of playable games that got me into audiogames in the first place . I agree very much with the sentiment, but in terms of windows 10 I will say that the benifits of having a newer os did outway the amount of newer stuff I wanted to do on xp and couldn't, that combined with the compatibility fixes out there for most games etc did sway me towards the decision for a windows 10 machine. Ultimately of course the process of upgrades comes down to forced monopoly having control of a captive audience to effectively sell a product not because people need it but because the seller simply can invalidate people's existing systems, but the problem comes when that forced monpoly actually provides som ething useful as opposed to simply changing things for the sake of making changes as unfortunately is more than often the case, and as I said, while I was not a fan of windows 7 I seem to be getting on fairly well with windows 10, though that doesn't stop me still wanting more games for my snes! . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303964#p303964 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Well Cae personally I think nintendo should still! be making games for my snes and ggb advanced rather than all this 3d nonsense that I can't play, indeed it was lack of playable games that got me into audiogames in the first place . I agree very much with the sentiment, but in terms of windows 10 I will say that the benifits of having a newer os did outway the amount of newer stuff I wanted to do on xp and couldn't, that combined with the compatibility fixes out there for most games etc did sway me towards the decision for a windows 10 machine. Ultimately of course the process of upgrades comes down to forced monopoly having control of a captive audience to effectively sell a product not because people need it but because the seller simply can invalidate people's existing systems, but the problem comes when that forced monpoly actually provides som ething useful as opposed to simply changing things for the sake of making changes as unfortunately is more than often the case, and as I said, while I was not a fan of windows 7 I seem to be getting on fairly well with windows 10, though that doesn't stop me still wanting more new games for my snes! . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=303964#p303964 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Well ... I find myself with a 2010 Mac Mini, no longer in use. And, what do you know, it supports Windows XP! Wouldn't it just be absolutely hilarious if I were, now, to install XP on the native hardware (it's now too slow for a pleasant macOS experience, unless I swap out the HDD) and use it for gaming?Of course the immediately preceding discussion gives me the definite sense that this would be an exercise more in recalling pathetically the happy memories of a bygone age, than in a practical way to play my games. And I'd lose the life-giving properties of virtualisation. But it would be very fast and I'd not have to mess about getting a working DOS box, nor hardware acceleration ... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=304266#p304266 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP Dos games are I think the one area where xp is still necessary, t hose and the classic bsc titles (though imho the second versions were better). However I'd personally prefer if the community got a good solution up and running for talking dosbox to play games like fallthru and eamon deluxe, than xp virtualization, after all ot everyone will be willing to do the virtual os thing, but everyone will be having windows 10 for the forseeable future so it's a good investment, just like the compatibility fixes Jim and Aprone included in their games. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=304325#p304325 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP DOS emulation is probably needed anyway, at some point, because I don't know of a DOS screen reader that handled certain games using direct screen writes (like Graham Cluley's Humbug or Jacaranda Jim). I have DOSEmu running under Linux, and it does a pretty splendid job, but it's never going to be quite as satisfying as spinning up an XP VM, simply because the DOS subsystem in Windows is more-or-less complete and known to work with everything, acceptably well. And after all, on a modern system with plenty of resources, where's the pain? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=304447#p304447 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question for Gamers Running Windows XP DOS emulation is probably needed anyway, at some point, because I don't know of a DOS screen reader that handled certain games using direct screen writes (like Graham Cluley's Humbug or Jacaranda Jim). I have DOSEmu running under Linux, and it does a pretty splendid job, but it's never going to be quite as satisfying as spinning up an XP VM, simply because the DOS subsystem in Windows is more-or-less complete and known to work with everything, acceptably well. And after all, on a modern system with plenty of resources, where's the pain? Tools like VirtualBox are free and work with NVDA, so you shouldn't even need to spend a penny. Just have your XP media to hand. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=304447#p304447 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
