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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Well, @42 gave your answer there... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583874/#p583874 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL https://freedom.press/news/riaa-github- … list-tool/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583857/#p583857 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL @37. THIS, IS, NOT, A, POLITICAL, TOPIC! What's the deal with people inserting politics into everything and anything they see in the internet? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583714/#p583714 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL well, maybe it'll do nothing, maybe something good. But what I hope they'll stop is the freeking hate targeted towards anything chinese, at least that is, hopefully, going to soften abit, like...honestly, huawei, what have they done wrong?and honestly, if I were amerikan I won't vote for bidon either, but as it is the less worst among the bad, well, you know what I mean, I think. and honestly again, due to the pasts and deeds of both of them, I sometimes wander, these were the best of amerika's people? so, if I really was to vote, I think I would, after all, if amerikan law allows it like in Romania, cancel my vote. but enough of this, we have a political topic for such things already, sorry for bringing it up here. Anyway, what I said above still holds true. The world is going, in the end, to be consumed by the greed of men and it will continue to be so, with or without trump. Only difference is that with him there, most of the world can shift the blame on him if something goes wrong, and to be honest, he did enough blunders to deserve it, just a bit maybe? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583629/#p583629 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL @36, yup. And it's helping literally nothing. It's doing literally nothing. It's not going to stop them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583462/#p583462 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL The only way you can link any of this to Trump is by the fact that he won and the libb nutzo's went absolutely batshit crazy. If you want to blame someone, blame Nancy Pelosi. she lead this whole hate train. Also, if Biden wins, how would you expect anything to change? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583439/#p583439 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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hello folks!yeah, the entire world is going nuts nowadays, the hipocracy and madness is spreading everywhere, and here I was, thinking only romania has this problem. I really hope that, after trump is no longer president, at least some of the problems we're facing now would be eradicated. Another one is, unfortunately, one known to many and I believe, secretly of course, appreciated by no one. I mean all those things dedicated to china, like the banning of tictock and huawei, google forbidding huawei to use their products, so tb is going to disappear from their devices, if it hasn't already. Recently, I've herd about the most ludicrous and worrying of them all, github is going to change the master branch to main because, apparently, master sounds too much like it promotes slavery in programming or some shit like that. I mean, seriously? I wander what the hell is going to change next? the bluetooth terminology of "master" and "slave" devices? are they going to break bluetooth entirely? honestly, I don't really see an end to this global madness very soon, and I'm afraid not even god or whatever, if anything, up there, is going to do anything to save us from our own destruction. It's not only this wave of hipocracy, the snowflake simdrome,and powerhungryness that hit us recently, that would cause it in the end, it will be, perhaps, the inability to see our mistakes any longer. History tryed to teach us the meaningless and useless distruction a war causes, but I still think a wwIII will come, and when it does, the ones who would survive, if any, will shift the blame, to the last moment, to some ridiculous and hipocritical reason like what is being discussed here, some political machination or willful law interpretation, instead of admiting greed was more powerful than them and that they were overly anbiciouss.when situations like this are discussed, a quote from a great poem by irish author William Butler Yeats always comes to mind:"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world..."anyway, that was the relevant piece of it for this post, there is no point in writing further.back to the problem of youtube dl, I want to say some things before I close this overly long post:1. If that company fired a copyright lawsuit or whatever against youtube dl, then why doesn't it spend the time doing the same against the comercial ones that are not open source and maybe include addware or whatever besides, and are mostly inaccessible anyway?I'll tell you this: because yeah, even those comercial, half spyware programs are illegal, but no one cares, because most of those big companyes get something, directly or indirectly, by ignoring this kind of illegalities. Perhaps, some add about riaa in one addware like that, or perhaps some passwords or stolen money from the victims going to that company, or whatever. Thing is, corrupted as they are, companies like these are thrilled at gaining even a little more proffit, even if the price for that is the overlooking of something illegal that, presumably, is very important to them. For example, I don't think Riaa gives a shit about those artists, they are just used to strengthen and make the hipocracy sound more credible.the true reason, I think, for filing that lawsuit against youtube dl is, however, the open source nature of it. So, they can't gain any proffit from it, and besides, it is better, in my opinion, than any malware filled or payed crap out there. So, they were simply destroying competition, not caring about how many projects they bring down with it, bastards!and besides, the clame youtube dl is illegal is fabricated, I guess they looked for ages to find that thing in the amerikan constitution.it's like saying win10 is illegal, yeah, it can certainly be used in an illegal way, but that doesn't implicitly mean it is illegal. So can be said for cali linux, tor, torent, team viewer, and virtually any other program that's beyond print("hello world!"). So, as I said, hipocracy and greed beyond imagining.A closing note, as I said above, I really hope that once trump goes away, some of this madness will at least diminish, if not disappearing completely.
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL And... the music industry does it again! *claps*. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583326/#p583326 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL C:\Users\chris\src>pip install -U youtube-dl Collecting youtube-dl Downloading youtube_dl-2020.9.20-py2.py3-none-any.whl (1.8 MB) || 1.8 MB 3.2 MB/s Installing collected packages: youtube-dl Successfully installed youtube-dl-2020.9.20 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583254/#p583254 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL The statement also at some points refers to a specific german law, in particular article 13 or article 17 as they called it later to make the demonstrants look bad, kindergarden. And the thing is so yddl is down partly because of a law that should have never gone through, cause every one was against it, and the politicians, well they did that.German MEP Daniel Caspary, who chairs the large CDU/CSU group in the EU Parliament told a German publication a completely made up lie -- reminiscent of the kind of "fake news" propaganda that has been used elsewhere, that all of the protesters were actually paid to be there. He literally called them "bought protesters" and said that a non-profit organization offered protesters €450 to show up at the protest. And then insisted that this was all a threat to democracy (per the translation): "Now it is obviously being attempted to prevent the adoption of copyright even with bought protesters. Up to 450 euros are offered by a so-called NGO for the demonstrators. The money seems to come, at least partially, from major American Internet corporations. When American corporations with massive use of disinformation and bought protesters try to prevent laws, our democracy is under threat. "but unfortunately that is 2019 who cares what happened in 2019, we can forget about it now. But i am sure this will cause a lot of more problems in the future, this was just the beginning. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582973/#p582973 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Even youtube-dlc disappeared, but at least I've the exe of it, not the source code. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582952/#p582952 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Even youtube-dlc disapeared, but at least I've the exe of it, not the source code. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582952/#p582952 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL @28, that's exactly my point. RIAA went after it because it was able to decrypt Youtube's Rolling Cipher, which isn't YTDL's fault. But YTDL also deliberately notes in their code, if the notice is to be believed, that YTDL is designed to circumvent youtube's protection mechanisms. So the RIAA, sadly, has the legal advantage here, according to the DMCA, but their reasoning is BS because they're making it look like its used purely for illegal activity when there are legitimate uses. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582950/#p582950 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Well its the dev repos on github that have gone down.The files on youtube-dl.org still exist.All this will do is push opensource projects off of github.I agree, you can use it alegally, ie downloading music and such, but really is it alegal if only you listen to it?Mostly I don't use it for alegal music, I mean sometimes I do download music with it but mostly its gaming videos.Then there is my mega video converter suite I use from time to time and thats comercial.My dvd extraction program, my cd writing program, my torrent client and my resilio, goldwave, 7zip, nvda, pritty soon you can find almost a legal and alegal use for linux and windows, and at that point the net.The bad thing was when realtech went down and took down the unofficial repos on github, but it was their own fault for not updating their fucking sound generics past 2.82.I even asked them nicely couple times.There is a solution but it involves a hacked ttogether piecemeal driver and I am not that desperate for that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582938/#p582938 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL The dev has a repo mirror on GitLab.https://gitlab.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dlEither they'll remove the examples to fix this or this will be the knew home, is my prediction. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582908/#p582908 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL it's working well for me, accept when dealing with large playlists. if the playlist has at least 100 items, it flat out doesn't work. that's been going on for months. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582900/#p582900 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL @24The individual devs won't get in trouble for this kind of thing if only because going after them isn't worth it. I'm not sure what you're arguing though. What is the point you're trying to make? You seem to be simultaneously making the point that it's fine and making the point that it's definitely not fine at the same time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582864/#p582864 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL For anyone who wants the code, I grabbed it last night from the following URL:https://web.archive.org/web/20201018130 … zip/masterModerators: If you feel this link should not be here, please feel free to remove it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582844/#p582844 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL YTDL.org wrote:Currently our dev repository is taken down due to DMCA takedown notice by RIAA.Downloads still work as usual.I believe they mean compiled exe files. They probably know they would get slammed for hosting the code. Although, pip hasn't gotten screamed at to take it down yet, so who knows. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582834/#p582834 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Looks like youtube-dl.org hosts the downloads now and explains that the development repository is down. This should be interesting. The RIAA could go after them too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582811/#p582811 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL @23, I can make a case for (a)(2) as well:(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.Though (B) is questionable, its very possible, because it does have "only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure". Additionally, one could argue that YTDL makes a case for (A) as well as (C) because YTDL does circumvent Youtube's "rolling cipher" and is (indirectly) marketed as being able to perform such circumvention. It does that for various other sights, too, but this complaint was about Youtube and not any other streaming services that YTDL consumes. However, the definitions for both are kinda confusing. (a)(2) has the definitions:(A) to "circumvent a technological measure" means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and(B) a technological measure "effectively controls access to a work" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.And (b)(1) has the definitions:(A) to "circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure" means avoiding, bypassing, removing, deactivating, or otherwise impairing a technological measure; and(B) a technological measure "effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, prevents, restricts, or otherwise limits the exercise of a right of a copyright owner under this title.I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not really sure of the exact/precise differences of these two terms, but from what I can tell it seems trivial to be accused of violating both subsections simultaneously. Section 1203(c)(5) has innocent violations covered though:(5) Innocent violations.—(A) In general.—The court in its discretion may reduce or remit the total award of damages in any case in which the violator sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that the violator was not aware and had no reason to believe that its acts constituted a violation.(B) Nonprofit library, archives, educational institutions, or public broadcasting entities.—(i) Definition.—In this subparagraph, the term "public broadcasting entity" has the meaning given such term under section 118(f).(ii) In general.—In the case of a nonprofit library, archives, educational institution, or public broadcasting entity, the court shall remit damages in any case in which the library, archives, educational institution, or public broadcasting entity sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that the library, archives, educational institution, or public broadcasting entity was not aware and had no reason to believe that its acts constituted a violation.If the DMCA notice is accurate though, then YTDL's authors/contributors were not innocent violators, so would not be covered by this clause. But I've strayed a bit.The "they", if I remember right, was RIAA; I don't remember off the top of my head (I edited the post to eliminate the legal language and just dwindled it down to a link to the chapter in question). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582779/#p582779 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL @23, I can make a case for (a)(2) as well:(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.Though (B) is questionable, its very possible, because it does have "only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure". Additionally, one could argue that YTDL makes a case for (A) as well as (C) because YTDL does circumvent Youtube's "rolling cipher" and is (indirectly) marketed as being able to perform such circumvention. It does that for various other sights, too, but this complaint was about Youtube and not any other streaming services that YTDL consumes. However, the definitions for both are kinda confusing. (a)(2) has the definitions:(A) to "circumvent a technological measure" means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and(B) a technological measure "effectively controls access to a work" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.And (b)(1) has the definitions:(A) to "circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure" means avoiding, bypassing, removing, deactivating, or otherwise impairing a technological measure; and(B) a technological measure "effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, prevents, restricts, or otherwise limits the exercise of a right of a copyright owner under this title.I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not really sure of the exact/precise differences of these two terms, but from what I can tell it seems trivial to be accused of violating both subsections simultaneously. Section 1203(c)(5) has innocent violations covered though:(5) Innocent violations.—(A) In general.—The court in its discretion may reduce or remit the total award of damages in any case in which the violator sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that the violator was not aware and had no reason to believe that its acts constituted a violation.(B) Nonprofit library, archives, educational institutions, or public broadcasting entities.—(i) Definition.—In this subparagraph, the term "public broadcasting entity" has the meaning given such term under section 118(f).(ii) In general.—In the case of a nonprofit library, archives, educational institution, or public broadcasting entity, the court shall remit damages in any case in which the library, archives, educational institution, or public broadcasting entity sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that the library, archives, educational institution, or public broadcasting entity was not aware and had no reason to believe that its acts constituted a violation.If the DMCA notice is accurate though, then YTDL's authors/contributors were not innocent violators, so would not be covered by this clause. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582779/#p582779 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL @23, I can make a case for (a)(2) as well:(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.Though (B) is questionable, its very possible, because it does have "only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure". Additionally, one could argue that YTDL makes a case for (A) as well as (C) because YTDL does circumvent Youtube's "rolling cipher" and is (indirectly) marketed as being able to perform such circumvention. It does that for various other sights, too, but this complaint was about Youtube and not any other streaming services that YTDL consumes. However, the definitions for both are kinda confusing. (a)(2) has the definitions:(A) to "circumvent a technological measure" means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and(B) a technological measure "effectively controls access to a work" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.And (b)(1) has the definitions:(A) to "circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure" means avoiding, bypassing, removing, deactivating, or otherwise impairing a technological measure; and(B) a technological measure "effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, prevents, restricts, or otherwise limits the exercise of a right of a copyright owner under this title.I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not really sure of the exact/precise differences of these two terms, but from what I can tell it seems trivial to be accused of violating both subsections simultaneously. Section 1203(c)(5) has innocent violations covered though:(5) Innocent violations.—(A) In general.—The court in its discretion may reduce or remit the total award of damages in any case in which the violator sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that the violator was not aware and had no reason to believe that its acts constituted a violation.(B) Nonprofit library, archives, educational institutions, or public broadcasting entities.—(i) Definition.—In this subparagraph, the term "public broadcasting entity" has the meaning given such term under section 118(f).(ii) In general.—In the case of a nonprofit library, archives, educational institution, or public broadcasting entity, the court shall remit damages in any case in which the library, archives, educational institution, or public broadcasting entity sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that the library, archives, educational institution, or public broadcasting entity was not aware and had no reason to believe that its acts constituted a violation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582779/#p582779 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL @23, I can make a case for (a)(2) as well:(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.Though (B) is questionable, its very possible, because it does have "only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure". Additionally, one could argue that YTDL makes a case for (A) as well as (C) because YTDL does circumvent Youtube's "rolling cipher" and is (indirectly) marketed as being able to perform such circumvention. It does that for various other sights, too, but this complaint was about Youtube and not any other streaming services that YTDL consumes. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582779/#p582779 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL @23, I can make a case for (a)(2) as well:(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.Though (B) is questionable, its definitely logical. Additionally, one could argue that YTDL makes a case for (A) as well as (C) because YTDL does circumvent Youtube's "rolling cipher" and is (indirectly) marketed as being able to perform such circumvention. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582779/#p582779 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Well...(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.They could probably use that against YOutube-Dl. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582776/#p582776 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL @22Er, it falls under 3.a, and Youtube has at least 2 or 3 things that fall under 3.b. Also, the arguments around this aren't going to center on specific copyrighted works, because the library isn't a specific work, so this particular law is also not super relevant fpor defending it. In particular:(b) Additional Violations.—(1) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof;(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof; or(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof.It definitely falls under C, I can make an entirely legitimate argument that it falls under A, and B is subject to interpretation.Am I misunderstanding which "they" you're referring to? If this gets in front of a judge, it's not clear cut, especially since half of U.S. law is actually precedents set by courts that we have no easy way to find out about, not what the law says. For a fun example of that, check this out. To quote the summary:Berghuis v. Thompkins, 560 U.S. 370 (2010), is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court in which the Court considered the position of a suspect who understands their right to remain silent under Miranda v. Arizona and is aware that they have the right to remain silent, but does not explicitly invoke or waive the right. The Court held that unless and until the suspect actually states that they are relying on their right(s), their subsequent voluntary statements may be used in court and police may continue to interact with (or question) them. The mere act of remaining silent is, on its own, insufficient to imply the suspect has invoked their rights. Furthermore, a voluntary reply even after lengthy silence can be construed as to implying a waiver.[1][2]Or put another way, you have the right to remain silent, but only if you go out of your way to not remain silent for long enough to tell them that you have the right to remain silent, repeatedly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582775/#p582775 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL
Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL For the legal side of things, I point you to the particular chapter of title 17 of the united states code. The language is pretty clear. Their reasons are BS, but that's to be expected from large companies/orgs like the RIAA. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582771/#p582771 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL For the legal side of things, I point you to the particular chapter of title 18 of the united states code. The language is pretty clear. Their reasons are BS, but that's to be expected from large companies/orgs like the RIAA. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582771/#p582771 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL
Hate to bring in the legal view of things, but the sections within the united states code pretty much make this takedown notice legally solid. The RIAA cites, for reference, 18 U.S.C. 1201, "Circumvention of copyright protection systems," Subsection (a) ("Violations Regarding Circumvention of Technological Measures"), paragraph (2), which states: "(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; (B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or (C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." They additionally cited subsection (b), "Additional Violations," paragraph (1), which states: "No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof; (B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof; or (C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof." Though many people use youtube-dl for legal purposes -- as is noted in this topic -- I'm quite positive that people use it for illicit purposes as well. As others have said though, this will undoubtedly have very little affect on the project itself; they can just host it somewhere else.
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL
Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL So I found this article on Tech Radar, which is interesting to read. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582763/#p582763 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL I agree. That line of reasoning... Uh, no. It doesn't add up. Att all. First, there are a lot of programs that can download stuff from youtube. Second, that this program downloaded this from youtube, is not illegal. I mean, it can be, and it cannot; depending on what you do with it. And third? This... is among the most hypercritical stances I have seen. Why? Because if the Riaa, owns so much of the music industry; at least from what I understand; uh, what about the, god knows how many songs of artists floating around on youtube? I mean, if they are so concerned about this, shouldn't they nuke all of that as well. I'm sure by their terms, many of the songs from artists posted on youtube, would not be legal so... This doesn't make any sence really. That, plus the fact they don't, or are not removing the content, songs, for instance of artists that are uploaded to youtube speaks largely against them. It looks to me as this is hypocrisy at its best. I don't use that particular program but yes, there are a bunch of others that do the same. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582760/#p582760 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Exactly! Maybe because YTDL is the most popular or something? IDK. It's bull fucking shit though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582759/#p582759 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL I don't know why they have problems with a free tools to download video off of YouTube? How about those commercial app out there such as 4k video downloader and similar? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582753/#p582753 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL I forgot to mention, there is a tore link with all of it out there too, which I won't post for fear of the moderation panel jumping down my throat, even though most people wouldn't be able to open tore links anyways . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582751/#p582751 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Oh, I have the source code, in fact you can still pip install youtube-dl and get all of it, but still, their reasoning is absolute bullshit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582750/#p582750 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Two things to share:1. You can always find it over at https://nashcentral.duckdns.org:8100/projects.htmlunder the "Youtube Music Downloader and player for linux and cygwin" heding. (Thanks to Daniel Nash @hacker for keeping that up there.)2. Yes you have to deal with closing pop up windows from time to time, buthttp://ytmp3.cc/, is what I use to download videos. You can do either MP3 or MP4 ones. (It even works with "blocked" videos.Bonus Option:https://convert4us.cc/, also lets you convert YouTube Video and/or audio. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582745/#p582745 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Found this on Stack Overflow.This error means that there is a problem with the TLS certificate. Typical suspects are, in rough order descending likeliness, according to my experiences working as a youtube-dl developer:Censorship by your country, especially if you are located in or near China, Pakistan, or other non-democratic countries. You can use a VPN or TOR with a bridge to avoid the censorship.Censorship by your company, school, or ISP. Again, a VPN (or proxy) can avoid this.Local anti-malware software trying to intercept connections.Local malware software trying to intercept connections.A proxy server that is now misbehaving. Add -v to the command line to see whether one is configured.A local configuration problem, i.e. missing certificate store or so. This depends a lot on how you installed youtube-dl.A configuration problem on YouTube's side.In any case, you can avoid certificate checking by passing in --no-check-certificate. However, note that this will allow nation states, ISPs, schools/companies, hackers, and other (semi-)malicious parties to log, intercept, and change your video traffic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582744/#p582744 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL I've had this issue for a few months now. something about a certificate error or blahblah. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582743/#p582743 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL SSL issue? weird. A friend of mine had a problem because she didn't have the required Visual C++ redistributable package installed, but I've never heard of an SSL issue with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582742/#p582742 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL @Liam that's very interesting. Here I just tried downloading a video and it worked fine, and I'm pretty sure the version I have isn't even up to date. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582740/#p582740 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Mine stopped working ages ago. something about an ssl cert issue. I actually do the same thing re: downloading so I can normalize volumes. I'm glad I'm not the only one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582739/#p582739 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Well, it most likely won't stop working. It works for now even without an update until Youtube makes a change, and I'm sure some alternative solution will be found. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582738/#p582738 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL It just sucks for me personally, because I often use it to download the audio of videos that are ridiculously quiet so I can fix the volume enough to hear without having to crank up my computer's volume. Perfectly legal use of that program. But I do get the thing about downloading copyrighted songs with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582736/#p582736 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL it also works on a vast number of other sites, so some others may have spoken up as well URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582734/#p582734 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL I'm waving a huge middle finger in the air and aiming it at those bastards. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582732/#p582732 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL
Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL One could argue that the program can be used legally and illegally, but the bit about the source code saying it was expressly written to circumvent YouTube's protections doesn't help them at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582730/#p582730 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Other things shadier and less popular than Youtube DL have found homes on other places. It certainly sucks, but will probably not be a huge detriment to the project in the end. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582721/#p582721 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Exactly my point. Plus, how does this qualify as DMCA? If I am correct, DMCA claims rights were violated. I see no right violations here, more so them saying that the program does illegal activity.And what about internet archivers?Oh, and let's not forget the fact that this application is *NOT* illegal in a lot of countries. If you ask me, just because apps like this aren't legal in the U.S., that doesn't mean it should be allowed to be nuked globally, that's just fucking stupid. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582713/#p582713 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: RIAA took down youTube-DL Huh, interesting. Thinking about it now, I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner. Looking at that complaint, I doubt they'll be able to fight it, but all this will do is push someone to host it somewhere without easy copyright protections and that'll be that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582709/#p582709 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
