[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Good entry level speakers
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply
I decided that I needed to sort this blind testing debate out once and for all. Therefore, this morning, I undertook the following test: I prepared two slices of bread. I used vernier callipers to ensure that the thickness of each slice, in each of the four corners, was 1.20cm. The bread used was Sainsbury's seeded granary. It took seventeen slices to get them accurate, but they were from the same loaf. The slices were toasted for 74 seconds on one side. The grill used was an electric AEG, with the standard grill-pan. Electricity was Ecotricity. Onto these slices I placed cheese of 4mm thickness. It was Sainsbury's Taste the Difference Davistow Cheddar, placed completely evenly. I then toasted the cheese for 58 seconds. The crusts were cut off to ensure that there was no texture pattern difference between the slices. Finally I spread sauce onto each slice. On one slice I used Heinz Tomato Ketchup; the other slice was Daddies brown sauce. I used a solid silver knife, rinsing with filtered water between sauces. For convenience, I shall refer to the resulting cheese on toast with sauce as CoTwS I then blindfolded the wife (who had not seen any of the preparation or the resulting CoTwS), and placed a slice in each of her hands. She had earlier used a random number generator to prepare a pattern of how she would feed the CoTwS to me. I then blindfolded myself. (It was important that this would be double-blind, as I know that the wife has a curious aversion to ketchup, and may influence the results by emitting negative vibes as I took a bite.) The wife fed me the slices in the predetermined order, and I called out Brown or Red to the neighbour, whom we'd had to enlist as we were both blindfold. From the unsighted safety of the hall, she wrote them down. I am happy to report that I managed to get the right sauce in each case except one. The one I got wrong was towards the end, and I suspect that I was getting a bit CoTwS-ed out by this stage. However, I am still not sure which I found more satisfying. I definitely felt there was more zing with the Daddies, but could I live with it? The ketchup is definitely sweeter and more rounded. There seemed to be a pizzoid synergy between the CoTwS with tomato; it seemed classically right, whereas the brown sauce was an aggressive teenager, knuckling in with its astringency. I am fortunate in that I can have two sauces in my house. Lesser mortals, those who don't have such sensitivity to the difference between sauces, have to make a choice. On balance I'd go for the ketchup, but could I live with Daddies? Sure; I'd have just the occasional hankering for the balance of the ketchup. Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29912 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply
I am fortunate in that I can have two sauces in my house. Lesser mortals, those who don't have such sensitivity to the difference between sauces, have to make a choice. On balance I'd go for the ketchup, but could I live with Daddies? Sure; I'd have just the occasional hankering for the balance of the ketchup. Adam Adam, You neglected to mention the type of containers which held each sauce. I don't mean to offend, but couldn't this variable affect the validity of your test? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29912 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply
tomjtx;159162 Wrote: You neglected to mention the type of containers which held each sauce. I don't mean to offend, but couldn't this variable affect the validity of your test? While they were both plastic, so there should be no quantum electrolytic issues, the ketchup stands on its lid, while the Daddies is the right way up. I am concerned that the quality of the air inside will have a serious effect, and don't even mention the thick gloop that accumulates around the lid of the Daddies. However, this was a test 'as is', of the 'stock' sauces. Were I to apply tweaks to get round these deficiencies, I wouldn't be comparing what people actually buy - who wants a comparison of one tweaked sauce with another? Maybe I could do an 'ultimate sauce-out', to demonstrate what really can be achieved based on these supposedly humble condiments, but I think the tests are valid as they stand. Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29912 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply
adamslim;159167 Wrote: While they were both plastic, so there should be no quantum electrolytic issues, the ketchup stands on its lid, while the Daddies is the right way up. I am concerned that the quality of the air inside will have a serious effect, and don't even mention the thick gloop that accumulates around the lid of the Daddies. However, this was a test 'as is', of the 'stock' sauces. Were I to apply tweaks to get round these deficiencies, I wouldn't be comparing what people actually buy - who wants a comparison of one tweaked sauce with another? Maybe I could do an 'ultimate sauce-out', to demonstrate what really can be achieved based on these supposedly humble condiments, but I think the tests are valid as they stand. Adam Bravo Adam, You have quelled my fears. If only more people would do this sort of thing. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29912 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Good entry level speakers
Infinity makes some great speakers for very low price. They are always very well reviewed. Before I got into hifi, I used them throughout my house in different sizes. Now that I have some audiophile speakers, I still find the Infinity designs to be solid and great sounding. They all still get a lot of playtime. Models with CMMD ceramic drivers are excellent. This used to mean the Alpha or Entra series which are now discontinued. If you can find these used, you will not be dissappointed. The larger the better. Newer (largest) models are the Beta 50 ($600/pr)with the great CMMD drivers and the Primus 360 ($400/pr), both have received excellent reviews by many different critics. The Beta is identical to Revel F12, per article in AudioExpress, or was it Sensible SOund? Revel and Infinity are owned by Harmon International and they use the same Infinity developed drivers, while cabinet and crossover maybe slightly different. Anyway Sensible sound still mentions these as best choice for a sub $1000 system. Read the reviews, and try a pair at home. Since they are sold by mass merchandisers, the return policy is always generous. Primus is at Crutchfield and elsewhere, Beta used to be on display at Circuit City, who is still listed as authorized dealer, but they don't have them on the website anymore. You could call a store to see if there are some left. Infinity website lists local dealers and online sellers. For the money, I don't think there is a better option. Spending less on mid fi speakers will allow you to buy truly hifi speakers sooner. There you will want to skip over the hifi pretenders and go for a really great speaker to build your system around. That will take an investment in time and money, but the beta will serve you well until that time. Even with the speakers you have now, you can improve your music listening experience greatly buy learning about acoustics and taking steps to improve the main listening room with acoustic treatment. Read articles at realtraps.com and ETFsoftware.com to get started. Acoustics do more to color the sound your hear than anything in the actual system. Getting the room right first will help you pick the best speakers for the money because you will actually be able to hear what they really sound like and get the most out of them. Anyone who cares about the quality of sound of their music is an audiophile, so you are very welcome here!! Have fun, trust your heart over any critic, reviewer, salesperson or internet forum expert! Pick up some discs that are audiophile quality recordings and listen to them at your local stereo shop to get an idea what is possible. There is a lot of free education available online. Audioholics.com is a good website for beginner audiphiles and for mid-fiers. They have a bias against high end big bucks products, which is healthy. But you do have to pay to play in this hobby, so if your taste goes to perfection, you will be spending money in the high end eventually, it is most definitely worth it! Rich -- richidoo richidoo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29736 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Squeeze Box in People magazine: top product for guys!
Absolutely no worries -- it was a long day and I snapped too quickly; your joke was funny and indeed and, well, it has grown... opaqueice;159130 Wrote: I'm truly sorry I if gave any offense - I was trying to continue the joke in what I thought was the same spirit as your first post. I'm sure your wife is a first-class doctor... and anesthesiologist is a tough job from what I understand! You're right - humor really doesn't work well on the internet sometimes. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30221 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Good entry level speakers
There's a pair of dynaudio 1.3se on audiogon for 1350 right now. Those things are pretty unbelievable. If you don't mind not having brand new things, going used at that price range will get you wonderful equipment. If you don't mind not getting the current audiophile flavor of the month, even better. I agree with highdudgeon about the spendors as well (I had a pair of s100s for 10 years). The only cautionary note there is that they can be a bit laid back. -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29736 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 - the new PS Audio Digital Link III DAC
Anybody heard or own this combination? Much appreciative of your thoughts and comparisons, -- jt25741 jt25741's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30238 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
highdudgeon;159127 Wrote: How about calling the nice guys at Blue Jeans... Good plan, I sent them an email last night. And Outlaw too. I'll let you know what they say... jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
I already know... jmourik;159195 Wrote: Good plan, I sent them an email last night. And Outlaw too. I'll let you know what they say... jan -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=32771.msg303315;topicseen#new -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
A nice sales guy at Blue Jeans Cable told me this: salesguy Wrote: Burn-in is one of those entrenched cable myths that certain companies use to market themselves, any cable that doesn't come off the line with a tight impedance tolerance is not likely to get any better over time. Belden Cable has some of the tightest specs in the industry, and with proper usage will reproduce signals with no loss from the moment you hook them up. Let us know if you have any other questions. Sounds reasonable to me! jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting Transporter review at Soundstage AV
http://www.soundstageav.com/onhifi.html I know this is shameless self-promotion, but this review struck me as approaching what we're about so well that i wanted to ensure it got the widest coverage for folks considering a Transporter purchase. It's nice to hear the following from an 'objective' source; The Slim Devices Transporter marks a shift in the way we audiophiles play music, and I believe it signals the death of the CD transport. In fact, I think someone would be foolish to spend much money on a CD transport today. I'm hoping we can have a couple of reasonably high-end Transporter set-up's at the Open House next Friday if anyone wants to confirmation that we can 'walk the walk' ;-) -- Jez Jez Hildred Senior Manager - Sales Marketing Slim Devices, Inc. http://www.last.fm/user/Kadosh/ Jez's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4300 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
Myth??? Hah! Cable burn-in is critical for cables that have been cryogenically treated. The burn-in is necessary to warm up the cold sound produced by the cryogenic treatment. That way, you get a nicely defrosted sound. Alternatively, you can just let your cables sit on the kitchen countertop for a few days. -- Mike Anderson 'FREE RADICAL RADIO!' (http://nvo.com/cd) Hours of free radical MP3s. Mike Anderson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
Mike Anderson wrote: Cable burn-in is critical for cables that have been cryogenically treated. The burn-in is necessary to warm up the cold sound produced by the cryogenic treatment. That way, you get a nicely defrosted sound. Alternatively, you can just let your cables sit on the kitchen countertop for a few days. Careful, this time of year the FDA spends a lot of time and effort reminding people that defrosting turkeys and cables on the kitchen counter top is bad, can lead to many kinds of contaminations. Much better to defrost it in the refrigerator for longer, a week or so. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
In operating rooms, they run cautery devices close to the cables, to prepare them for a scorching session of Metallica. Hot cable and heavy metal are awesome for nasty yank'em and cut'em intestinal surgery. Mike Anderson;159222 Wrote: Myth??? Hah! Cable burn-in is critical for cables that have been cryogenically treated. The burn-in is necessary to warm up the cold sound produced by the cryogenic treatment. That way, you get a nicely defrosted sound. Alternatively, you can just let your cables sit on the kitchen countertop for a few days. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
Pat, You continue to be a font of wisdom. Your advice is sure to prevent me getting audio ptomaine poisoning this XMAS season -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Interesting Transporter review at Soundstage AV
And, if someone would like that demonstration in the Pacific Northwest...drop me a line. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 24/96 on Transporter: should it work?
I used my PC to transfer some Zappa vinyl onto my hard drive using a 24/96 sample rate into a WAV format. The songs play fine on the transporter but the AES/EBU output to my McIntosh MDA1000 dac is only a 44.1 sample rate. Does the Transporter downsample a 96/24 to a 44.1/16 at the digital outputs? The rips sound fantastic through... Thanks! -- FZfan FZfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3994 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29059 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: slight ringing??
The spidf optical cable was better. I only have two optical inputs for my Lexicon DC-1 so I got a 1 meter digital calbe for the coax-replacing a 3 meter audio RCA cable. This has made a consdierable diference and the osund is now very close to my foobar via m-ausio and an optical spidf. Thanks for the suggestion Joel -- jmschnur Joel jmschnur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30174 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: slight ringing??
jmschnur;159261 Wrote: The spidf optical cable was better. I only have two optical inputs for my Lexicon DC-1 so I got a 1 meter digital calbe for the coax-replacing a 3 meter audio RCA cable. This has made a consdierable diference and the osund is now very close to my foobar via m-ausio and an optical spidf. Thanks for the suggestion Joel Glad to help. Interesting to see that a digital cable can make such a difference. Tom -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30174 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
Mike Anderson;159222 Wrote: Cable burn-in is critical ... you get a nicely defrosted sound. Yeah, but as cables defrost, the resistance rises, dulling the subtle, yet inaudible harmonics above 100kHz. This causes listening fatigue very late at night. I have Bluejeans 1505 interconnects and other wires from them. They are very well made and an incredible value. But when it comes to sound quality though, frozen or thawed, I prefer my anti-ICs. $100/meter, and worth every penny! http://www.anticables.com/anti-ic.html Rich -- richidoo richidoo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Personal Introductions: Please Make This a Sticky!
tomsi42;159115 Wrote: I fart in your general direction. I award you the quotation of the year award ;) Will there be a webcast of the award ceremony? -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30141 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Room Correction/EQ available for mac users NOW
Seriously -- I've been looking into this and it works. Here are the steps: One of the most advanced RCS systems out there is Acourate. I've had a sample of this recently, after sending impulse reponse files, along with uncompressed music files, to the developer for processing. The resulting changes were amazing -- and the match to the target curve, the intelligent use of windowing, etc., just work. Many TacT users are familiar with the software. Anyway, Acourate can export a filter that will work with Inguz. Now, Acourate and Inguz are PC-based, right? Problem? Not if you're willing to upgrade to the new Macs. I had a long discussion with an Apple developer today. He confirmed that one could run OSX and Windows at the same time (we already knew this) and exploit Parallels. The result is that you can: 1. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30255 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Room Correction/EQ available for mac users NOW
Great post highd. Thanks! I read the Acourate website, never heard of them before. If it can come close to the Tact preamp I tried, wow! Does it do time domain adjustments to help with room resonance, or just speaker driver alignment? I couldn't understand half the stuff the website is talking about - I know RC sounds good, but I don't know the lingo. Thanks Rich -- richidoo richidoo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30255 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Room Correction/EQ available for mac users NOW
Uli, the developer, is a nice guy and will respond to your emails -- he can address the technicalities in a more satisfactory way. But, yes, the idea is to address time domain adjustments, etc. He was a Tact user and went on from there. I am not a Tact user and won't comment on the relative merits...but drop him a line! richidoo;159295 Wrote: Great post highd. Thanks! I read the Acourate website, never heard of them before. If it can come close to the Tact preamp I tried, wow! Does it do time domain adjustments to help with room resonance, or just speaker driver alignment? I couldn't understand half the stuff the website is talking about - I know RC sounds good, but I don't know the lingo. Thanks Rich -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30255 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
richidoo;159273 Wrote: But when it comes to sound quality though, frozen or thawed, I prefer my anti-ICs. What difference in sound do you hear between the BJ/Belden and the anti_ic? jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
A friend of mine actually looked into this. The wire, available commercially, costs pennies a foot when you buy by the 100lb load. Thing is, 100lbs is quite a bit of copper and many, many feet. I've heard a system with the speaker cables and thought they were just fine. Then again, I think my 10 gauge cables from BJC are just fine. I'll give the anti-IC's this -- they win the prize for cool-looking cables, hands-down. jmourik;159308 Wrote: What difference in sound do you hear between the BJ/Belden and the anti_ic? jan -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
