Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
haunyack;214814 Wrote: Funny though...even the Slim people were involved in the flamewar. It may have become an embarrassment to daddy Logitech. . Sigh... here we go with the evil corporate overlords again. I deleted it because several users asked me to. Aside from spam, that is the only reason I have ever deleted anything. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Superclock4
Thanks again Gary. -- greg_f greg_f's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5876 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36801 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
amey01;214807 Wrote: I just find this very interesting! snip My bet (guess) would be that if you played a live band through an ADC then DAC and piped them directly into the speakers it would still sound live. Clearly - something is going on here that we don't understand. amey01, I think you're on to something, but... If you consider a small rock gig, each guitar might have it's own amp/speaker. In this case, there isn't even a single live signal to record. You need to mix it right there before recording, or record to tracks and mix later. Either way, there is no such thing as an objectively correct mix. But it's worse than that. Live signals, even those recorded with a single pair of microphones, are almost always processed later to sound better in a domestic system. The ones that aren't are, I would argue, the ones that sound like live performances. Precious, precious few since recording engineers like to add value. This is the real issue you are hearing. And if you think about your own bet (guess) above, this must be IMO the logical conclusion. Darren -- darrenyeats darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
Sean, Is there a possibility of restoring the deleted thread as a locked sticky? There was some valuable info re. the design care that went into Transporter and some cogent debunking of mods that were interesting. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
You have you grills on your speakers? While you're listening? -- nelamvr6 nelamvr6's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
haunyack;214845 Wrote: Dimples on a golf ball are symmetrical, therefore the effect of air pressure is predictable. If one could predict the effects of random occurrence (grime on a car finish, for example), that person could play the lotto and win every time. Random occurrence is the angst of statistical analysis. It's not about prediction - despite the symmetry, even golf ball dimples are designed mostly by trial and error. It may be counterintutive, but Tyler is right. Rough surfaces create a layer of turbulent air around the object, and that often lowers the overall drag force. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
tomjtx;214897 Wrote: Sean, Is there a possibility of restoring the deleted thread as a locked sticky? There was some valuable info re. the design care that went into Transporter and some cogent debunking of mods that were interesting. I second that, although it doesn't matter to me if it's a sticky. Personally I prefer a policy of locking threads that get out of hand rather than deleting them. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
opaqueice;214902 Wrote: It's not about prediction - despite the symmetry, even golf ball dimples are designed mostly by trial and error. It may be counterintutive, but Tyler is right. Rough surfaces create a layer of turbulent air around the object, and that often lowers the overall drag force. Sorry, guys. I gotta call a BS on this. A rough surface increases drag. Dimples and other effects that control vortices can improve performance by managing air separation over the surface. On airplanes, we use vortex generators to do this. Dirt on a car or airplane slow it down. I once read a CAFE study that tried to determine the performance impact of waxing an airplane. They concluded there was none, but discovered about a 1% increase in top speed by removing bugs and dirt from all surfaces. -Ben -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) - 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) - 'BAT VK-31SE' (http://www.balanced.com/products/line/Vk-31SE/index.html) - 'Halo A21' (http://www.parasound.com/halo/a21.php) - 'BW 803D' (http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20803D) Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
Ben Diss;214906 Wrote: Sorry, guys. I gotta call a BS on this. A rough surface increases drag. Dimples and other effects that control vortices can improve performance by managing air separation over the surface. On airplanes, we use vortex generators to do this. Dirt on a car or airplane slow it down. I once read a CAFE study that tried to determine the performance impact of waxing an airplane. They concluded there was none, but discovered about a 1% increase in top speed by removing bugs and dirt from all surfaces. -Ben Rough surfaces increase drag *at the surface*, but they also can create a turbulent layer of air at relatively low speeds. The main flow slipping around that layer can then remain laminar for longer and close in more tightly behind the object, which sometimes means that the overall drag is reduced. My intuition on a piece of dirt on an airplane is that it probably would slow it down, because one or a few pieces of dirt are not going to create such a layer. But if you really dipped it in mud or something, who knows... Exactly what happens in some particular case is extremely difficult to predict: http://www.claymath.org/millennium/Navier-Stokes_Equations/ -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
Now THIS is a thread! TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
opaqueice;214909 Wrote: Rough surfaces increase drag *at the surface*, but they also can create a turbulent layer of air at relatively low speeds. The main flow slipping around that layer can then remain laminar for longer and close in more tightly behind the object, which sometimes means that the overall drag is reduced. My intuition on a piece of dirt on an airplane is that it probably would slow it down, because one or a few pieces of dirt are not going to create such a layer. But if you really dipped it in mud or something, who knows... Exactly what happens in some particular case is extremely difficult to predict: http://www.claymath.org/millennium/Navier-Stokes_Equations/ Controlling turbulence at the boundary layer may allow the flow to remain attached longer, but it will not cause it to be a laminar flow and it will not reduce overall drag. For example, adding vortex generators to an airplane will aid in control as the airflow remains attached at the control surface, but the penalty is lower max airspeed. -Ben -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) - 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) - 'BAT VK-31SE' (http://www.balanced.com/products/line/Vk-31SE/index.html) - 'Halo A21' (http://www.parasound.com/halo/a21.php) - 'BW 803D' (http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20803D) Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
Ben Diss;214947 Wrote: Controlling turbulence at the boundary layer may allow the flow to remain attached longer, but it will not cause it to be a laminar flow and it will not reduce overall drag. For example, adding vortex generators to an airplane will aid in control as the airflow remains attached at the control surface, but the penalty is lower max airspeed. Well, you're probably right it won't help for teardrop shapes like wings (and if you can prove it Clay has $1,000,000 waiting for you!), but for less aerodynamic shapes such as spheres it really does work that way. Have a look at this very nice discussion: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0215.shtml -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
nelamvr6;214901 Wrote: You have you grills on your speakers? While you're listening? Well yes, the grills stay on as they are virtually permanent. My speakers are the Vandersteen 3a Signature and according to Richard, the grill clothe is integral to the design. Removal requires partial disassembly of the unit itself. So as they are dust collectors, I now know that regular vacuuming is required in order to keep the pristine sound. As for laminar flow, it applies to an object moving through space, in this case I would say that space (sound waves) are moving through an object (grill clothe). . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
seanadams;214850 Wrote: Sigh... here we go with the evil corporate overlords again. I deleted it because several users asked me to. Aside from spam, that is the only reason I have ever deleted anything. I'm not a consiracy theorist and therefore could have been a bit more thoughtful with my conjecture. Aside from the sometimes overheated sparring that took place, I thought it an interesting thread also. My apologies. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
Yay for Google cache, if you're interested try this: mods for Transporter page x Can't users delete their own posts if they feel they've behaved badly, rather than ask for the whole thread to be deleted? -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
Note to self: Don't make any 'rocket scientist' jokes around here, you're likely to upset a few people. Geez, what a crowd! -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
I'll do whatever you all want with it: a) resurrect b) resurrect and lock c) leave deleted -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
Well, I vacuum my electrostatics every week, this way they stay like new, the panels dont accumulate dust and loose conductivity prematurely. -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
nicketynick;214980 Wrote: Note to self: Don't make any 'rocket scientist' jokes around here, you're likely to upset a few people. Geez, what a crowd! My all-time favorite Onion headline: Suborbital Ballistic-Propulsion Engineer Not Exactly A Rocket Scientist -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
seanadams;214985 Wrote: I'll do whatever you all want with it: a) resurrect b) resurrect and lock c) leave deleted Maybe a forum wide vote is in order here. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
Personally I think it best that a thread which suggests disconnecting the safety earth from equipment in the quest for better sound stays deleted. Darwinian evolution and lawyers don't mix :( -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
seanadams wrote: I'll do whatever you all want with it: a) resurrect b) resurrect and lock c) leave deleted My vote is to leave it deleted. Perhaps it can serve as an example of where flaming goes, you lose the good parts as well. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
You might also want to consider the fact that a lot of bands use digital desk these days for their live mix - so you are hearing the sound through adc/dac's anyway... :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] s/pdf SB better than s/pdf soundcard pc?
jaysung;214795 Wrote: I presume that your mainboard and the SB alike have optical digital outputs. So there should not be any electrical influence ones the signal has passed the optoelectrical converter... Not so... the optical digital outputs are directly driven by electrical-to-optical devices which will faithfully transmit a lot of the noise - certainly any jitter - which they are presented with. But I can't see why the squeezebox (a very tightly packed package) should induce less electrical noise than a fully grown pc. That's easy - there is a lot more going on inside a PC than inside an SB, and there is generally no particular design goal of the PC designer to minimise the electrical noise. But, please note that I have only been arguing that there *might* be a difference - whether there is one in a given case is another matter entirely. Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36784 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
Resurrect and locked -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
Pat Farrell;215009 Wrote: seanadams wrote: I'll do whatever you all want with it: a) resurrect b) resurrect and lock c) leave deleted My vote is to leave it deleted. Perhaps it can serve as an example of where flaming goes, you lose the good parts as well. Which is *exactly* why I vote the same way. It appears to me to be like parenting children: only by making the consequences clear does the lesson stick. There's a Google cache of most of the thread, if you're really interested. No reason to post the nonsense again. -= Jim -- JimC JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
Not bothered what you do with the thread in question, but Sean, since you apparently have 'The Power', is there any chance you could restore the 'Building a quiet Mini-ITX Server with ClarkConnect' thread in the DIY section, which seemed to disappear into a worm-hole in space around the time that Michael Herger clicked the delete key on his keyboard? It was really very civilised and even informative, and an example to everyone in this section of the forums as to just how useful a thread can be IMHO of course. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
Patrick Dixon;215037 Wrote: Not bothered what you do with the thread in question, but Sean, since you apparently have 'The Power', is there any chance you could restore the 'Building a quiet Mini-ITX Server with ClarkConnect' thread in the DIY section, which seemed to disappear into a worm-hole in space around the time that Michael Herger clicked the delete key on his keyboard? It was really very civilised and even informative, and an example to everyone in this section of the forums as to just how useful a thread can be IMHO of course. I can't find it, but mherger found the content of it and linked to it in the subsequent thread. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36430highlight=clarkconnect -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] s/pdf SB better than s/pdf soundcard pc?
Another issue is what the software player and PC sound apps drivers might be doing to the playback stream along the way. It's been a while since I played with Softsqueeze, but when I tried it a few years ago I was not getting bit-perfect playback (tested by playing a 5.1 DTS file into a surround receiver -- it couldn't decode it). This was nothing to do with Softsqueeze (a great product), but the Java sound libraries and the Windows kmixer. Anyway, you may want to check if this has been addressed in recent versions of Softsqueeze. Also have read up on ASIO drivers and try playing with foobar2000 and winamp playback which can use these drivers. The DTS decode check is always a reassuring test make sure no bits are being mangled in the playback process. muski -- muski SB3-Bryston BP25DA-Bryston 4B-SST-Watt Puppy 7s Transporter-Headrom Max Balanced Amp-Balanced AKG701s HD650s muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36784 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
Pat Farrell;215009 Wrote: seanadams wrote: I'll do whatever you all want with it: a) resurrect b) resurrect and lock c) leave deleted My vote is to leave it deleted. Perhaps it can serve as an example of where flaming goes, you lose the good parts as well. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html I second that.ยจ Also, it should teach the good guys to not feed the troll. -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
seanadams;215048 Wrote: I can't find it, but mherger found the content of it and linked to it in the subsequent thread. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36430highlight=clarkconnect Ahh, you're not quite as powerful as I thought ... maybe JimC (aka Daddy) can do it ;-) Thanks for trying anyway. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
slimkid;215056 Wrote: Having spent good part of my youth days fighting the dictatorship, I can appreciate your vote. However, I'm disgusted with your reasoning. Also, sounds rather pathetic that somebody who calls himself 'Logitech director of marketing' would try to shout my mouth or to censor what I read. I really have to wonder if Logitech company is OK with their employees treating their customers like children. I may have come out somewhat too strong, but your comments and the sole fact that this thread got deleted because somebody didn't like it, got my blood boiling. K First, I don't call myself Logitech Director of Marketing -- that's my job. And, like me or not, I'm responsible for the customer facing aspects of this business unit. I didn't censor *you* or shut *your* mouth. You should re-read my post without looking for Big Brother. What I said was that I *VOTE* for leaving the thread deleted because I think that seeing the clear consequences of an action (in this case, a personal attack) is the best way to reinforce the correct behavior. I do happen to think that some of the participants acted in a very childish fashion, hence my reference to children. Also, *I* didn't delete the thread, the community did (OK, Sean did, but at the request of enough users). I easily could have done so, since I have moderator rights to the forum, but it isn't something I would do lightly. We believe our community should have this platform, but we're not obligated to provide a forum where it degenerates into flame wars and personal attacks. The rules here are pretty simple and we are serious about keeping this a place for candid, open dialog (including complaints about our products, our branding, etc) but not a place for personal attacks. If you look around, you'll find a lot of people who complain about what I do for a living (things like changing the logo on the Squeezebox, for example). I've NEVER deleted a single post or thread on that topic, despite it being a complaint directed very much at me. I believe people are free to disagree with me and have shown that in how I act in this forum. Sure, there are users here who I would *personally* like to ban. In fact, many of the members of the community would like us to ban them too. However, they are still able to post, because this isn't consistent with the direction we want to take with the forum. I'm quite capable of feeling one way personally (angry, upset, etc.) and acting another professionally. If I were to delete individual posts, that would be censorship. Deleting a thread is management. The thread in question had *some* signal amongst the noise, but precious little. If you want it, you can find it -- just not here. I've raised three children. I know childish behavior. That thread had it in spades, which is why the community wanted it gone and if my *vote* helps keep it gone, great. If the rest of the community votes differently, then the thread will be restored and locked. I'll be OK with that outcome. Power consists in one's capacity to link his will with the purpose of others, to lead by reason and a gift of cooperation. -- Woodrow Wilson Consider that while Logitech has (and, by extension, I have) absolute power over this forum, including the ability to shut it off completely, we don't do ANY of that. It would be inconsistent with creating the community that is so important to us, and it would simply be an exercise in angering a lot of people for no good reason. If you look at anything we do, you should look at history for a sense of what happens here -- almost no one is banned, almost never is a thread even locked (let alone deleted), and we ASK the community before doing most of those actions. Please, cool your blood down, look rationally at what I actually said, and what actually happened, and then consider what I've said here. I really believe you're overreacting to a rather simple statement. -= Jim -- JimC JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
I agree that the thread got quite out of hand, although it seemed to me that it was largely because of one poster. To me, the best way to deal with that is either to discipline that particular poster in one way or another, or to simply lock the thread and let it slide gracefully off into the oblivion of page two. I don't see how deleting is any more effective at teaching a lesson or whatever than locking, and deleting has the detriment of depriving forum readers of the little bit of useful content that was in there. Just my two cents. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
I would second Opaqueice on that. After all, if some found the thread objectionable can't they simply not follow it? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
tomjtx wrote: After all, if some found the thread objectionable can't they simply not follow it? Not if you subscribe to the topics as email. Some people like web forums, others greatly prefer the speed of reading locally, whether it is usenet or email. Kinda like tubes versus solid state amps. -- -- toc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.curmudgeon4.us/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
JimC;215064 Wrote: Great big long sanctimonious post Next time try humour ;) Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
JimC, I think deleting a thread is also censorship on a macro rather than micro level. If one defines censorship as the restriction of the free flow of information then thread deletion would fit into that category. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amiga 500 power supply for SB3 - good idea?
In reply to all the people in this thread who suggests me to just try it: There's a reason why I asked. I wanted to know if anybody was familiar with this particular Amiga 500 power supply, and i wanted to hear about their experiences, before cutting off the original A500 power connector and going to some store to buy a DC connector and mounting it. And, if anybody could tell about their bad experiences with this particular PSU, it'd also be helpful to keep me from eventually wasting time... -- sbn sbn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6907 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36631 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
JimC;215064 Wrote: I've raised three children. I know childish behavior. -= Jim Spoken like a true authoritarian. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
Mr.Adams- Thanks for the opportunity to vote. b)resurrect and lock. -- CPC CPC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] s/pdf SB better than s/pdf soundcard pc?
Most of the built in sound on motherboards use an AC97 codec which is fixed to 48KHz sample rate. Thus if you are playing 44.1 data its going to be resampled by the software on the PC. So no it won't be bit perfect. I've measured the jitter (actually taken the spectrum on the clock) on several motherboards and they are much worse than an SB3 jitterwise. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36784 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
resurrect and lock -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
When is the last time you vacuumed? Must have been awhile? -- Club1820 Club1820's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
JimC;215015 Wrote: It appears to me to be like parenting children: only by making the consequences clear does the lesson stick. OK, I vote we send everybody out back to pick their own switch. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe drewe181;167823 Wrote: bookcases filled with different sized books help with absorbtion especially at the rear of the room. I thought bookcases at the back of the room help with diffusion of the sound? -- Club1820 Club1820's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
haunyack;214971 Wrote: As for laminar flow, it applies to an object moving through space, in this case I would say that space (sound waves) are moving through an object (grill clothe) Flow or an object moving through a fluid is not the same a waves moving around an object. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
