Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Player as DAC recommendation?
NewBuyer;257820 Wrote: GuyDebord you certainly can still enjoy a great soundcard - especially a 2-channel one - without setting up a pro studio! :) The sound quality of this particular Lynx card is phenomenal, and so far I'm finding it to work very well with an SB3. NewBuyer, I dont disagree with the glorious joys a soundcard can bring or any decent playing device. My point is that for any studio, the soundcard is just a piece of the system, just as for most hifi enthusiast a cd-player is a component of a system, the thing is that both systems follow very different steps to achieve the goal of a satisfying reproduction (or recording). In my HiFi system I use different devices and technics to gradually pursue my goals: I use a power conditioner and distributor made specifically for component audio reproduction, I buy components that are precisely isolated, with good power supplies and made to play music and function in synergy with my other components, The equipment I use permits me to use carefully selected analogue and digital connectors (interlinks) as well as power cables, the audio rack I plan to buy in the near future is made to better isolate the equipment, all of this and more to get the best I can from my SYSTEM. The soundcard also needs systematic treatment. Typical computer power supplies are not really made for audio reproduction nor any of its internal components (i.e. no vibration and power isolation...). This wouldnt be much of an issue if the D/A conversion and clocking was done outboard, but if you only use a regular computer and soundcard combo (as you plan to), all the critical phases of digital conversion will be affected by the poor (in audio terms) assemblage of the computer. All professional studios that I know utilize outboard clocks, buffers and converters with specific built qualities for their purpose, cabling, pro racks, expensive grounding and vibration isolation systems, etc. that are very different than our comparatively simple Hi-Fi systems. All that Im trying to say is that a computer-soundcard combo wont do the trick as well as a good Hi-Fi d/a converter and player (i.e. Transporter). Good luck with your hybrid experiments. -- GuyDebord Reference 3A Royal Master monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata 5 sub. AMP: Pathos Classic One MKIII. ANALOGUE: Michell Gyro SE, Technoarm Lyra Helikon SL cartridge, ASR Mini Basis SQ phono preamp, link: WireWorld Silver Eclipse 5.2. DIGITAL: MacMini, SlimDevices Transporter, link: van den Hul The Second XLRs. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Transporter), van den Hul Mainstream (Pathos) van den Hul Mainserver (ASR). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42020 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Player as DAC recommendation?
GuyDebord;257896 Wrote: ...for any studio, the soundcard is just a piece of the system... Typical computer power supplies are not really made for audio reproduction nor any of its internal components... professional studios that I know utilize OUTBOARD clocks, buffers, regulators and converters... that are very different than our comparatively simple Hi-Fi systems and generally require a much greater engineering and monetary investment... a computer-soundcard combo wont do the trick as well as a good Hi-Fi d/a converter and player (i.e. Transporter)... GuyDebord, not being confrontational (I promise) but want to make sure we're following each other here: It seems you are saying (I'm simplifying) that an audio source good enough to be a vital link in a more complex professional studio music production system, couldn't also be just as excellent in a simpler home stereo music reproduction system. Which doesn't make sense to me(?) but perhaps I'm missing something. Yes in fact I have built computers for a very long time (much longer than my interest in high quality stereo) and I'm very familiar with all the usual suspect, and also very reasonable sounding, concerns with PC-as-source that you've mentioned. However I've also often skeptically read pro-audio users reporting that those concerns are primarily a myth and don't prove to actually be real-world concerns at all - but as an experienced computer builder, I always simply assumed the arguments and perspective of the side you've described. However now that I've actually (and finally) tried it, I am very pleasantly surprised to find that those PC-as-source worries really aren't issues after all, when using a genuinely top-notch soundcard. Obviously this presumes the PC is otherwise well assembled and solid, which is reasonable to assume (in my view). My most recent 3 configs tested included Transporter analog direct (which sounds fantastic btw), Transporter feeding an L22 card with AES/EBU, and SB3 feeding an L22 card with S/PDIF. The last two configs including the L22 card, were to us very clearly the best (this is *obviously* an entirely subjective conclusion), and these last two configs were also virtually indistinguishable sonically, to the ears of my wife and I - so naturally, the SB3/L22 combo currently gets our personal pick. I would never have anticipated this outcome, had I not actually tried it myself - especially since it involves an S/PDIF conversion which I was previously happy to avoid. However, hearing is believing for me, even if in this case it deviates so strongly from my expectations. Hope you might get a chance to try it out too - and thanks for your wish for good luck. :) -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42020 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
zanash;257908 Wrote: An interesting aside to generate a perception of depth and height ..get the chesky test disc http://www.chesky.com/core/details.cfm?productcode=JD037productcategoryid=1 track 11 this simulates both up and down and depthvia a chirping sound this has cause consternation to at least three people who claimed that stereo does not do height! the music on the disc is pretty good too. OK thanks...I'll check it out. IS there any info on HOW they do this? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 DAC vs. Meridian DSP's speakers
If you don't use the analog out it's is quite obvius. if unsure remove the analog cables ;-) DAC is an acronym for Digital to Analog Converter. Conseqently only used when there is a need to make an analog signal. Our DSP700 has only digital inputs, your signal chains is going to be as digital as possible, afiak they accept up to 24/96 input. Our DSP7000 has a digital crossover and at least 3 DAC's per speaker and as funtion off that, separate amp's for every driver. If it's to much off a hurdle to conect these beautys, please feel free to contact me i can give them a new home ;-) What color are they i would like british racing green or black. -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41977 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Player as DAC recommendation?
NewBuyer, Are you using the L22 as a DAC? If so, given that the L22 has word clock, you should clock-sync the TP to the L22 so that the L22 is the master clock and is controlling the TP. You should try this asap witht he included L22sync cable! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42020 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Player as DAC recommendation?
NewBuyer;257912 Wrote: It seems you are saying (I'm simplifying) that an audio source good enough to be a vital link in a more complex professional studio music production system, couldn't also be just as excellent in a simpler home stereo music reproduction system. Which doesn't make sense to me(?) but perhaps I'm missing something. NewBuyer: Also not being confrontational and to resume what I said in the previous post: I doubt a typical homebrewed computer (flimsy case, very basic power supplies, less than standard cables, bad rfi/emi shielding, etc.) is as good as a precisely engineered AUDIO component, especially in the critical process of d/a conversion where you already have an analogue phase present. But, hey, I can also use Mastering software to tweak the music I buy, or a Multichannel recording deck at my home, or any other professional tool available, but I have preferred to build a home hifi system, which is what makes sense to me, since I dont have the skills, time and money to build a studio and personaly Ive never understood do-it yourself, non-engineered hybrids / experiments, when companies spend millions of euros (dollars) in research and development of their products, somehow, (even if I have my reservations against many corporations), in this issues, I trust them more. Probably is a cultural difference... Anyway, again, I wish you good luck, -- GuyDebord Reference 3A Royal Master monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata 5 sub. AMP: Pathos Classic One MKIII. ANALOGUE: Michell Gyro SE, Technoarm Lyra Helikon SL cartridge, ASR Mini Basis SQ phono preamp, link: WireWorld Silver Eclipse 5.2. DIGITAL: MacMini, SlimDevices Transporter, link: van den Hul The Second XLRs. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Transporter), van den Hul Mainstream (Pathos) van den Hul Mainserver (ASR). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42020 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
I use that particular track extensively, whenever tweaking my speaker placement. It sounds like it's a handheld air puffer being recorded. They run it three times- left and right channel up, left to right arc (and back), and left to right lateral (and back). I never heard it properly until I got my ML Summits, and optimized their positioning. Once you achieve that level of soundstage detail, there's no going back! IMHO, this single test track separates the audiophiles from the wannabes! The disc also has a number of other superb test tracks, including speaker phase. -- sleepysurf main system: sb2 (with elpac linear psu) benchmark dac-1 modwright swl 9.0se belles 350a reference ml summits. blue jeans cables. secondary sb3 systems in master br (russound r235ls amp driving in-ceiling speakers) and game room (powered swan s200a speakers). sleepysurf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What about New Benchmark DAC1 PRE(preamp)
I'm still not sure if it has IR control. If it doesn't, I don't think it makes much sense as a pre-amp (in a home system). I've been using my Transporter to convert and switch audio signals from my cable box and game consoles, and it does a fairly nice job. The problems are that sources can't be switched with one button push, and a bug that requires power cycling when switching digital signals. -- gregeas gregeas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5877 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42135 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MP3 bug/scratc finder tool, where to find?
Download the music from another source, it's probably faster than going trough hell and highwater to restore them. Library CD's my a** i tried 10 yers ago, they are usually so scratched that they are barely regognizeable as CD's, you are lucky if they are still round and not cracked. This is clear evidence that after 20 years 99,99% of humanity still don't know how to handle a disc. It's like rental dvd's they keep them i box full of gravel and pizza grease. I'm a disc stalinist i crack my whip if somebody even tries to touch the surface on my cd's ;-) -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36879 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Player as DAC recommendation?
Phil, thanks for the tip! Should be fun to try. Do you think it would exceed that of using the L22 onboard clock and SRC? GuyDebord, I do understand your doubts and your trusts, and I also completely respect your opinion and position. I still hope you will have a real chance to try the PC-as-source and see what you think/hear from it. Thank you for sharing your ideas and info with me, I really appreciate it. I'll keep accepting your good luck wishes too - gratefully! :) -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42020 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Player as DAC recommendation?
NewBuyer;257965 Wrote: Phil, thanks for the tip! Should be fun to try. Do you think it would exceed that of using the L22 onboard clock and SRC? GuyDebord, I do understand your doubts and your trusts, and I also completely respect your opinion and position. Thank you for sharing your ideas and info with me, I really appreciate it. I'll keep accepting your good luck wishes too - gratefully! :) NB - using the DAC clock to drive the transport gives the best possible performance in a digital system, since you no longer have to rely on the clock recovery embedded in the SPDIF/AES... You should try it ASAP and report back. There are some intermittant issues with externally clocking the TP but Sean and the team are working on them . -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42020 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
Thanks - interesting article. Seems the LEDR uses psycho-acoustic trickery (aka convolving reverb) to fool the brain. This wouldn't work for anything much more complex than a single sound source being moved in this fashion. I'll pick up the Chesky disk and give it a spin... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
Do any of you know if there is a downloadable version available? thanks -- GuyDebord Reference 3A Royal Master monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata 5 sub. AMP: Pathos Classic One MKIII. ANALOGUE: Michell Gyro SE, Technoarm Lyra Helikon SL cartridge, ASR Mini Basis SQ phono preamp, link: WireWorld Silver Eclipse 5.2. DIGITAL: MacMini, SlimDevices Transporter, link: van den Hul The Second XLRs. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Transporter), van den Hul Mainstream (Pathos) van den Hul Mainserver (ASR). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
It doesn't real say on liner notes just calls it LEDR Listening Environment Diagnostic Recording I found this http://www.stereophile.com/features/772/ using the up test I get a slight flat top but a smooth curve up and down o both sides using my ML Aerius i's -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
Please don't misunderstand me - I know how to simulate depth through phase/eq manipulation in the studio...but it is just a simulation or psycho-acoustic trick, it's not real. Seems the LEDR track also manages to do this with height which is clever. It's when people talk about realistic soundstage, depth and height in the same sentence that I get agitated. :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
zanash;257985 Wrote: ...using the up test I get a slight flat top but a smooth curve up and down o both sides using my ML Aerius i's Ha! I had Aerius i's, before moving up to the Summits! As for LEDR height, try adusting the speaker tilt. Here's an old post (from the ML Owners Club) showing what I did... http://www.martinloganowners.com/~tdacquis/forum/showpost.php?p=8175postcount=4 Check out the other superb discussions on that ML forum! The Chesky LEDR sounds man-made, as opposed to the Prosonus version discussed in S'phile. Either way, it's a great test. -- sleepysurf main system: sb2 (with elpac linear psu) benchmark dac-1 modwright swl 9.0se belles 350a reference ml summits. blue jeans cables. secondary sb3 systems in master br (russound r235ls amp driving in-ceiling speakers) and game room (powered swan s200a speakers). sleepysurf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
The track Rain from the Suzanne Ciani disc Hotel Luna has some fairly interesting stereo effects with the synth-generated raindrops. I think the key to hearing it the way it was intended is to have good phase linearity in your speakers. -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
The Prosonus uses a spatial reverberator to create the effect. In 1989 this took a mainframe - can now be done by pretty much any modern DSP chip. It's completely manmade! What it is doing is to mimic the way our ears work to locate sounds in 3-d and then basically invert the process, causing our brain to believe the sound is moving - when in fact it isn't. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
Here's a link to that Chesky CD. Unfortunately, they don't have an mp3 or FLAC downloadable version, but the CD is still available. http://www.chesky.com/core/details.cfm?productcode=JD037category=1 One caveat though, folks ordering from Chesky direct have reported lots of problems with tardy order fulfillment. I suggest using a more reliable source. -- sleepysurf main system: sb2 (with elpac linear psu) benchmark dac-1 modwright swl 9.0se belles 350a reference ml summits. blue jeans cables. secondary sb3 systems in master br (russound r235ls amp driving in-ceiling speakers) and game room (powered swan s200a speakers). sleepysurf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet Squeezebox Controller.
Has any one seen or got any views on the Squeezebox Duet Squeezebox Controller. Talking of the new fancy Controller, does anyone know if it will work with the SB3? Wouldnt mind getting it if it did. Wolfie01902 -- bad.wolf bad.wolf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12172 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42181 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet Squeezebox Controller.
bad.wolf;258041 Wrote: Has any one seen or got any views on the Squeezebox Duet Squeezebox Controller. Talking of the new fancy Controller, does anyone know if it will work with the SB3? Wouldnt mind getting it if it did. You obviously only ever visit this particular forum. Take a look at the General Discussion forum and you'll find more discussion about these new products than you can shake a stick at. (And to answer your specific question: yes, the new controller works with Squeezeboxes and Transporters). -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42181 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter - streaming versus spdif input in Transporter
There is NO jitter caused or increased by the network... cue Sean -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42183 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter - streaming versus spdif input in Transporter
Sean, please correct me if Im wrong, but Im pretty sure that network streaming is not subject to jitter since the streaming is done by sectors and not by direct bit transmission as with red book cd players. So network streaming should be better. However, Im not sure at what phase can jitter become present in the Transporter's circuitry, since you say in the website that: Clock signals in Transporter are handled not as ones and zeroes, but as precision analog signals. Specialized crystal oscillators, careful clock management, and linear-regulated logic supplies ensure the lowest possible jitter throughout the system, does this mean that after clocking jitter becomes present? thanks, -- GuyDebord Reference 3A Royal Master monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata 5 sub. AMP: Pathos Classic One MKIII. ANALOGUE: Michell Gyro SE, Technoarm Lyra Helikon SL cartridge, ASR Mini Basis SQ phono preamp, link: WireWorld Silver Eclipse 5.2. DIGITAL: MacMini, SlimDevices Transporter, link: van den Hul The Second XLRs. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Transporter), van den Hul Mainstream (Pathos) van den Hul Mainserver (ASR). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42183 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
sleepysurf;258033 Wrote: I suggest using a more reliable source. ... eMule ;-) -- alekz alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter - streaming versus spdif input in Transporter
Jitter is lowest for streaming (17ps), and higher for s/pdif (50+ ps depending on the source). S/PDIF is a unidrectional connection which transmits clock and data together, which is why the clock is subject to degradation. In contrast, the network is _only_ a data connection. The clock is generated internally. It is possible to get better performance with s/pdif only if the source supports a word clock input. In that case you can get the same performance as when streaming. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42183 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
Phil Leigh;258016 Wrote: Please don't misunderstand me - I know how to simulate depth through phase/eq manipulation in the studio...but it is just a simulation or psycho-acoustic trick, it's not real. If fact, stereo itself is an auditory illusion, whether it's recorded by microphones or created in a DSP chip. The reality of reproduction is that there are two discrete speakers. The soundstage is an illusion created in the brain, which is fooled into hearing phantom sounds from directions other than the speaker locations. This is akin to color television, which fools the brain by giving the impression one is seeing a whole spectrum of colors, when in fact the TV screen only has three discrete phosphors: red, green and blue. BTW, Suzanne Ciani used a midi-controlled spatial DSP system made by Roland for her recording. It was done in 1991, so I'm sure it is primative by today's standard, but it is did produce quite convincing phantom sounds, not just between the speakers but above, below and well past the sides of the stereo speaker array. -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter - streaming versus spdif input in Transporter
Thanks for the answer Sean. Bill -- mr_bill mr_bill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6737 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42183 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi-Fi News article on Hearing
Timothy - I've written about the stereo illusion in the past - and been flamed for it! Where can one find the Ciani recordings? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Classical/Early Music URLs
Here are links to favorite internet radio stations that feature higher-bit-rate streams and classical music, with emphasis on early music. N.B., the links were working at the time of this post. URLs can and do change without notice! Additional suggestions welcome. LocationURL Austin TX http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kmfa/ppr/kmfa.pls Boston http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=756159filename=playlist.pls Cleveland http://67.18.103.116/wclv8192 Eugene OR http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~kwax/launchra2.ram Houston HD2 http://129.7.48.199/KUHF-HD2-128K.ram Interlochen MI http://pubint-wiaa.wm.llnwd.net/pubint_wiaa Minnesota http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=169345filename=playlist.pls NL Avro Baroque http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=633289filename=playlist.pls NL Avro Festivalhttp://shoutcast.omroep.nl:8072/listen.pls NL Concertzender Oude http://shoutcast.omroep.nl:8154/ NL Radio 4 http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/shoutcastlive.pls?radio4live Otto's Baroque http://1.fm/TuneIn/WM/energyBaroque128k/Listen.aspx Rochester NYhttp://74.202.55.195/fm-hi -- Ralph 411 Ralph 411's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12741 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42193 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More There There!
Dear Friends, Each modification I outlined has been tried and retained for only one reason: it sounds better! Some would say many things we take for granted in high-end audio don't work, can't work, or may even be harmful (for example, interconnect, power cords, and isolation). In the last analysis the only test is: does a change make an audible improvement in your system? I encourage those who have made comments to try any or all of my recommended changes (see original post) and report observations. -- Ralph 411 Ralph 411's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12741 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42094 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More There There!
Ralph 411;258142 Wrote: Dear Friends, Each modification I outlined has been tried and retained for only one reason: *I am imagining* it sounds better! Some would say many things we take for granted in high-end audio don't work, can't work, or may even be harmful (for example, interconnect, power cords, and isolation). In the last analysis the only test is: does a change *cause you to believe that there is* an audible improvement in your system? There you go... fixed that for ya. :) -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42094 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More There There!
seanadams;258150 Wrote: There you go... fixed that for ya. :) Can I get an Amen?! -- wr420 wr420's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1040 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42094 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Player as DAC recommendation?
GuyDebord;257896 Wrote: This wouldnt be much of an issue if the D/A conversion and clocking was done outboard, but if you only use a regular computer and soundcard combo (as you plan to), all the critical phases of digital conversion will be affected by the poor (in audio terms) assemblage of the computer. All professional studios that I know utilize OUTBOARD clocks, buffers, regulators and converters with specific built qualities for their purpose, cabling, pro racks, expensive grounding and vibration isolation systems, etc. Guy Debord, I don't know if you read the article in December 07 issue of The Absolute Sound. It was on using a custom built PC as source, written by Karl Schuster, who is the President of Empirical Design, maker of hi-fi interconnects and speaker cables that won many awards. He used the Echo Gina3G card, which allows the D/A conversion, clocking to be done outboard through an external chassis even while it connects to the computer via small internal PCI card. http://echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/Gina3G/index.php Schuster writes in the TAS article that this electro-mechanical isolation resulted in gains across the board: improved linearity and extension at the frequency extremes; a more nuanced rendering of instrumental timbres; startlingly superior reproduction of the decay of notes into a more enveloping ambient space; and a more holographic sense of dimensionality and body. The article also goes into some detail on how to optimize the PC to bypass Windows XP's kernel mode, etc etc... He finally concludes that the sound through this custom PC config rivalled or surpassed the playback of CD players costing thousands of dollars; he mentions Goldmund, Linn, Ayre, Marantz and Rega. He also seems to have done AB tests on his skeptical friends, who came away impressed. I don't think it's an empty boast, as he has no reason to be partial to PC as source. In fact, he should be a proponent of optical sources, as he makes most of his $ on interconnects. His credentials, too, are impeccable. He was the U.S. Customer Svc Director of Goldmund, and founded a company called Metaphor Acoustic Designs with loudspeaker designer Gerry Boyd, before launching his Empirical Design company, making innovative cables interconnects. He seems well qualified to comment. Robert Harley, too, agrees that Karl Schuster's solution of rolling your own custom PC server with no S/PDIF interface is an ideal solution, if done right, that it delivers better sound than optical disc, for sure. Everyone has his own opinions on this matter. But I think there's enough proof out there that PC server, if built to ideal specs, is more than a worthy pursuit. And I don't think audiophile builders like NewBuyer would really go for the regular cheap PC cases components that are loud, improperly built. That would be putting it too reductively. I don't know much about PC servers, but even I know just enough to take care, study, research with zeal so that it wouldn't be a blemish in my audio system. I'll be using Zalman's TNN 300 noiseless case which would eliminate all fans, and would run virtually silent. It costs a bit above $500 (used to go for $700-800 just 2 years ago), but it seems ideal for an audiophile server. I'd have 2TB in the system, and I'm also going to optimize the system using some of the methods I ferreted out here and there, and will finally try the Echo Gina3G; I'll also try out Lynx L22 card later to do AB test. This PC will link directly to either the Plinius 8150 or Pathos Classic. http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/view.asp?idx=176code=020 I'm not married to the PC server solution, as I've decided to save up and set up a different system in my study with Leben CS600, with a typical CD player perhaps a Transporter. This 2nd system will be months down the line, but I'll get a chance to really test the two systems objectively, in my home. I don't think we lose either way. Just very excited... P.S. - NewBuyer, if you can, can you email me? [EMAIL PROTECTED]; I'd like to run some components by you for my system, for your input. If you're busy enough, don't worry about it. -- selfdivider selfdivider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14941 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42020 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More There There!
wr420;258180 Wrote: Can I get an Amen?! Amen!! :D -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42094 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More There There!
Preach it, Preacha!! -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42094 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What about New Benchmark DAC1 PRE(preamp)
I'm still not sure if it has IR control. If it doesn't, I don't think it makes much sense as a pre-amp (in a home system). I agree. In a livingroom no remote control is a design miss. -- eiret eiret's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11521 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42135 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More There There!
Eric Seaberg;258216 Wrote: Preach it, Preacha!! Is it time to speak in tongues yet? The valves do have some remoteness. The immediacy and presence The highs are a bit sweeter The lows are incredibly lush and defined The midrange has lost most of its focus Hateful tizzyness in the top end. ... wire sounds sweeter but perhaps sloppier than... There was an absence of a sweet midrange colouration Transients increased at the expense of midrange texture and air. Lovely, spacious, coherent music. ..give you a much larger sonic picture, but less focus and low-level subtlety. The deep fundamentals leave you gasping for breath. Telefunkens are very rolled off in the highs. Lots of air around instruments Amazing sonic character ..will impart a warm sound to the system A lack of atmosphere and quietness Great tube harmonic depth and slam. Quick, smooth, dynamic, musical, not fatiguing on highs and crescendos ... tends to thicken up instruments and voices quite a bit ... got enough solid state zing and lots of palpability, presence, air .. ... gave a nice sense of space around the individual instruments ... to get more atmosphere and quietness around instruments A little less musical down low and up high. An occasional honk on a horn during arias Russian tubes are pretty neutral. A bit of sibilance in them ...wire of exceptional musicality. The lack of multiple crystals should prevent inter-crystal diode effects. The former sounds better in the midrange, the latter sounds muffled overall The ear is oblivious to phase shifts above 20K. Valves and transistors possessing different sonic signatures Smoother more natural sound More realistic harmonics ... with the hand-wound capacitors imparting an unbelievable smoothness Like a monkey hitting a dustbin lid with a dog's bone.. Devoid of the hardness which afflicts most transistorised amps Uneven tonal balance Bass is slightly loose and emphasised Bright and pure treble Upper registers were cleaner and less fizzy ... imparting a new plumminess to the sound Bass was faster and meatier ..gaining in speed and impact Image precision and soundstaging of the warehouse variety Tizzyness in the top end These cables have a pinched sound that goes away over time The whole experience can become quite hollographic The ears need time to adjust to any system or setup A whiteness during intertransient silences . -- haunyack Transporter - Box-O - (audiophile grade) Wires - Vandersteen 3A Signature haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42094 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Some questions onTransporter Digital Output
Hi all, I am wondering if the transporter is capable of sending out digital signal via the Coaxial BNC output at the same time? Is there any differents between the two output format? -- coupon coupon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14527 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42204 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Some questions onTransporter Digital Output
coupon;258246 Wrote: Hi all, I am wondering if the transporter is capable of sending out digital signal via the Coaxial BNC output at the same time? Is there any differents between the two output format? All are active simultaneously, and all output the same data. If you want AES/EBU singnalling you can select it in the web interface under player settings. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42204 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Some questions onTransporter Digital Output
seanadams;258253 Wrote: All are active simultaneously, and all output the same data. If you want AES/EBU singnalling you can select it in the web interface under player settings. Thanks Sean, Which mean I can feed two DAC with the Transporter that give out exactly the same thing using Coaxial and BNC output at the same time. Thats GREAT -- coupon coupon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14527 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42204 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Classical/Early Music URLs
Thanks, a nice list. I have become a big fan of the AAC Plus streams for classical music. You'll need to install the mplayer plug-in (just follow the excellent instructions in the wiki carefully). In general, I find that AAC Plus streams sound better than MP3 streams that have even twice the bitrate. My favorite station is Radio Swiss Classic (http://www.radioswissclassic.ch/). I find their 64kbps AAC Plus stream to be of much higher quality than their 128kbps MP3 stream. I also really like their programming. KVOD in Colorado (http://www.kvod.org/) has a 48kbps AAC Plus stream that is quite reasonable. They also have excellent programming. There is another 64kbps classical stream from http://www.playradiouk.com/ There is a site called www.tuner2.com that has a directory of AAC Plus streams for all genres. muski -- muski Transporter-Bryston BP25DA-Bryston 4B SST-Wilson Watt Puppy 7 Transporter-Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp-Balanced AKG701s HD650s muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42193 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What about New Benchmark DAC1 PRE(preamp)
Besides a remote, it's not clear whether audio outputs are fixed or variable. What about balanced outputs, fixed or variable? Can analog audio input be passed out through balanced outputs? Lots of unknowns that might decide if it makes a cut for a preamp. However, if somebody finds this concept interesting, than, you might want to know that CityPulse 7.2x has those features (+remote, volume control works on analog stage) for approx 4 times less money. In my experience, if one wants to go with the external DAC, than it's worth exploring the possibility to delete the preamp. K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42135 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
