Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
Phil Leigh;580336 Wrote: > Rick - what amp + speakers are you using? > > The answer to your question depends a lot on how your DAC handles less > than perfect digital (s/pdif or toslink) signals. On paper the Touch > digital output is better than that of the SBR. Whether or not that > translates into a significant audible benefit to you depends on the > DAC, specifically: how well does it tolerate "less than ideal" signals. > This is all highly system and environment specific and even the same > equipment in different houses may behave differently because of wiring > etc. > > It is very hard to be categoric on this. I urge you to try and borrow > one and see... > > Sorry if that comes across as a non-answer, but I believe there are too > many variables - including you, yourself - in the equation :-) Phil... System info is: Marantz PM8003 integrated amp, Cambridge Audio DacMagic, Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand speakers, REL Acoustics R305 sub-bass, PS Audio Quintet. Does that make your opinion any more or less "categoric"? And, yes, you and all the others who so kindly give of their time and opinions have, as we say over here in Americee, learnt me good as to how individual the listening experience is---both in terms of equipment interactions and human/equipment interactions! -- rgro Rick System information Duet SBC running 7.5.1 r9009, an SBR running firmware V 65. Controller and receiver configured in all-wireless set-up using Netgear WNDR 3700. Running Squeeze Server 7.5.1 r30836 on Windows 7 64 bit/ HP Pavillion w/Intel i7 processor Marantz PM8003 integrated amp, Cambridge Audio DacMagic, Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand speakers, REL Acoustics R305 sub-bass, PS Audio Quintet. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Meridian CD player
Sadly there is a problem facing many older cdp's the lack of replacement mechanics ? as you have a TP it has digital inputs , so arent there any dvd player around with digital output for example. Or was it the sound of the 506 your wife wanted ? The current Meridian G06 and G08 models then ? But the new deign does not match that good aesthetically with the old. I have all never M stuff but i still like the old design more. Some think they look like 80's rental VCR's but i like them :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82371 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Meridian CD player
Sounds like you need a new wife that uses digital files not CDs. All joking aside, have you called any local HiFi shops to see if they can clean/repair the CDP? If it is not a direct drive model, the belt probably needs replaced also if it needs a internal cleaning that badly IE get the unit tuned up. I would also check the Internet to see if anybody was doing mods on your model as they might be a good source for getting repairs or maintenance done. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82371 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Hi Michael and Robin, I just bought a new DEQ2496. I will use it with my Modified Sonos (I like the Sonos because of the excelent controller and stable wireless connection). I use Inguz with the SB3, but I aggre the inteface is no so good. Thanks Antonio -- altsouza altsouza's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=27670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
On 02/10/10 12:18, michael123 wrote: > > altsouza;580356 Wrote: >> Can I use the AES in/out with the sp-dif connections of my >> Sonos/Dacmagic (with special cables/adapters)? Or am I limited to the >> optical connections? > > I have a friend who used some home-made SPDIF-AES cable with DEQ, so I > think that's possible. Although personally I do not like these > adapters. > Also, I do not know if your DacMagic will sync on AES stream since it > is bit different from SPDIF.. So Optical TOSLINK might be safe bet > > altsouza;580356 Wrote: >> Do you think the Deq2496 is a better option than Inguz? > > I did not get good results with Inguz so I bought DEQ. > But Inguz is free, did you try it? My view was that Inguz would take time and some messing around to set up & get workng, which is fine if you have the time to do that. I don't, so I picked up a s/h DEQ which I had plugged in and operational within 10 minutes. I'm currently using homemade AES cables (XLR plugs) and it works just fine, although I have a couple of Toslink cables on order to see if I can hear any difference. My suggestion would be to try and pick up a s/h DEQ and give it a go. You can always sell it on if it's not for you. R. -- "Feed that ego and you starve the soul" - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
tomjtx;580362 Wrote: > That is a lot! That objective evidence supports what I subjectively > heard. The difference was very obvious and made a significant > improvement to my system. I'm having the wooden floor replaced later this year so can repeat the exercise... should be interesting. I'll try and make sure to capture some facts from the calibration process. The fitted carpet will be replaced by a few large rugs so I have to redo the rc anyway. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
Phil Leigh;580357 Wrote: > Good point - It was a few years ago now, but I recall something like a > 2-3dB shift in the general bass spectrum - that's quite a lot. That is a lot! That objective evidence supports what I subjectively heard. The difference was very obvious and made a significant improvement to my system. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
altsouza;580356 Wrote: > Can I use the AES in/out with the sp-dif connections of my > Sonos/Dacmagic (with special cables/adapters)? Or am I limited to the > optical connections? I have a friend who used some home-made SPDIF-AES cable with DEQ, so I think that's possible. Although personally I do not like these adapters. Also, I do not know if your DacMagic will sync on AES stream since it is bit different from SPDIF.. So Optical TOSLINK might be safe bet altsouza;580356 Wrote: > Do you think the Deq2496 is a better option than Inguz? I did not get good results with Inguz so I bought DEQ. But Inguz is free, did you try it? -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
tomjtx;580355 Wrote: > ...It's interesting to learn that you had to recalibrate your RC. That > seems like some objective "proof" for that tweak. > > ... Good point - It was a few years ago now, but I recall something like a 2-3dB shift in the general bass spectrum - that's quite a lot. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Hi Michael, Here a newbie question, Can I use the AES in/out with the sp-dif connections of my Sonos/Dacmagic (with special cables/adapters)? Or I am limited to the optical connections? Do you think the Deq2496 is a better option than Inguz? Thanks Antonio -- altsouza altsouza's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=27670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
Phil Leigh;580337 Wrote: > I had a similar experience putting Linn Skeets under my spikes onto my > suspended wooden floor when I moved house. Bass and "imaging" improved > noticably and I had to recalibrate my room correction! Yes, I think on "spongy" floors decoupling is the way to go. It's interesting to learn that you had to recalibrate your RC. That seems like some objective "proof" for that tweak. I don't need the bass traps I was going to buy prior to the Gliders. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
rgro;580284 Wrote: > Thanks for the input. I know I'm at the point where any improvement > would would be incremental, but if it would be noticeable as opposed to > subtle, it'd be worth doing, I think. And, yes, there are the ancillary > benefits, too. I shall await further comments/data points! > > Rick Rick, I think the most compelling reason to get the Touch is it's hi rez ability. If you don't have an interest in hi rez files it might not be enough of a change to be worthwhile. I think Phil is absolutely right when he said it depends on your DAC. Does Logitech offer a 30 day trial on the Touch ? That would be the ticket IMO. Anyway I hope you do try it and let us know what you think. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Meridian CD player
Thanks a lot I'll have a look -- pkfox When the going gets weird - the weird turn pro. Hunter S Thompson CD's -> EAC/Grip -> ReadyNas NV -> CAT5 -> Sonicwall -> TP -> Meridian 551 -> Monitor Audio Gold -> Me :-) pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82371 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Meridian CD player
Why not the meridian forum: http://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads//ubbthreads.php/ubb/cfrm Hosted by George " MSWlogo " as his moniker is on this forum . All kind of meridian buffs hanging around there . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82371 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Meridian CD player
Hi All, I know I shouldn't really ask this question here but the wealth of knowledge here is the best I've come across - My trusty 506 CD Player has starting behaving badly - sometimes it wont play at all, other times it jumps or sticks - basically it is unusable - Meridian can't help as the player is now obsolete and they don't have any parts, So , can anyone recommend a lens cleaner that they have used ? - I don't want to ruin it by using a crap one - any other recommendations welcome - again apologies for posting here but I can't think of anywhere else that I trust. I use my TP as the main music source but my wife still prefers to use CD's. -- pkfox When the going gets weird - the weird turn pro. Hunter S Thompson CD's -> EAC/Grip -> ReadyNas NV -> CAT5 -> Sonicwall -> TP -> Meridian 551 -> Monitor Audio Gold -> Me :-) pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82371 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
tomjtx;580256 Wrote: > I would certainly agree that a touch + excellent DAC can be comparable > to the Transporter. > > However, at least in the US a smart shopper can find a used or even > close out TP for as little as 900.00. That is a bargain that would be > hard to match with Touch+DAC. > > I've heard the Perfect Wave DAC and it is a great sounding unit but > wasn't better for me. > > If at some point I hear a DAC significantly better my TP will become an > excellent transport that also looks cool :-) > > In the meantime the biggest improvement in my system came from Herbies > Gliders underneath my Watt/Puppies. > I have wood floors on post and beam and the floor is spongy. > Decoupling my speakers from the floor with the gliders made a very > significant impact on the bass, midrange and imaging. It was a huge > upgrade , far more difference than any 2 DACs I have ever heard. > Bass way tighter, imaging kind of jaw droppingly better. > > Total cost was about 100.00. > > Well, I guess the point of this long winded post is that DACs today are > so good that there are many other areas that yield more obvious > improvements. I had a similar experience putting Linn Skeets under my spikes onto my suspended wooden floor when I moved house. Bass and "imaging" improved noticably and I had to recalibrate my room correction! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
rgro;580280 Wrote: > Phil or whomever also wishes to chime in: > > As someone whose opinion here I highly value, I'm thinking of possibly > replacing my SBR with a Touch, but leaving everything else the same. > I'm happy with what I have but would upgrade to the Touch if there was > the chance at a noticeable improvement. I'm running coax from the SBR > into the DAC and out to the integrated amp. In your honest > opinion--leaving the rest of my components the same---would you think > there would be enough of a difference to want to do this. Let's say, > for the sake of discussion, that cost is no factor...I'm only wanting > to look at the improvement in sound. Rick - what amp + speakers are you using? The answer to your question depends a lot on how your DAC handles less than perfect digital (s/pdif or toslink) signals. On paper the Touch digital output is better than that of the SBR. Whether or not that translates into a significant audible benefit to you depends on the DAC, specifically: how well does it tolerate "less than ideal" signals. This is all highly system and environment specific and even the same equipment in different houses may behave differently because of wiring etc. It is very hard to be categoric on this. I urge you to try and borrow one and see... Sorry if that comes across as a non-answer, but I believe there are too many variables - including you, yourself - in the equation :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile Review II: What conclusion can be drawn from the Measurements?
Stereoeditor;580201 Wrote: > Just saw this question. If you are talking about the undithered tone at > -90.31dBFS I show in all my DAC measurements, I use this signal, not > because it will be typical of music, but because it is diagnostic for > DAC problems. In 2s-complement PCM encoding as used on CD, the change > in level from digital "0" to +1 LSB actually involves all bits in the > 16-bit word changing value. By contrast, the change from "0" to -1 LSB > involves just the LSB changing value. So you can immediately see from > the symmetry of the waveform, and how well-defined the 3 voltage levels > are, whether or not the DAC is sufficiently monotonic and the analog > noisefloor is sufficiently low to allow those data to be correctly > decoded. > > In other words, it's a thumbnail indicator of DAC quality. > > In general, the test is not as useful in these days of sigma-delta DACs > as it was when all we had were multi-bit DACs. However, you still come > across pathological designs that fail to reproduce this signal properly > - see, for example, fig.8 in the Cary review in the September 2010 issue > of Stereophile. > > John Atkinson > Editor, Stereophile John - thanks - very interesting - please bear in mind I haven't read the article in question so I was basing my remarks on an interpretation of what others had said (!?)... Hopefully I will get to read the article at some point. regards Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82050 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
iPhone;580265 Wrote: > Only an idiot would pay $400 for a power supply for a $300 component > especially when it has no affect on the audio output of said component > whatsoever. More over even if it did, again only an idiot would pay > more for a PS then the component costs. Any Linear PS over $50 is a > pure rip-off taking advantage of the Audiophools that believe in > undocumented hear say or somebody's supposed golden ears. > > I would be willing to bet there are way less then 100 idiots following > the snake oil salesman. The number sold is probably more like 25 to 50 > max. You're completely wrong about this... -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
