Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
shame you can't hear the difference youself triode, otherwise we wouldn't be having these navel gazing discussions. do you hear a difference between 0.5 and 0.6 ? was there an attempt at improving the sound in 0.6 ? I am still interested in understanding why the usb irq is being called 2000 times a second, is this something that can be reduced or is it dependent on the usb device used ? I don't think it can be helping sound quality. SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Triode wrote: > ..I can believe EDO impacts sounds quality, but didn't want to claim it > initially.. Hi Triode, I want to give my impressions about EDO for <= 96kHz playback. My SBT feeds my EA OffRamp via USB which then goes into my DAC via S/PDIF. IMO, the improvement in doing things this way rather than SBT direct to DAC via coax S/PDIF is marked. Frankly, I find it refreshing that you make no extravagant claims about EDO. This runs contrary to what has become common practise on this forum vis-a-vis someone's particular discovery or configuration being, most assuredly, the ONLY way to go. It strikes me that some people do not understand the limitations surrounding inductive reasoning as it relates to their particular experience. Rather, they are convinced that their experience serves as the general case. However, thinking, mature people should know better. Anyway, I think what you have done here (in this thread) is clever in that you initially made no claim about EDO with respect to sound quality (so as not to create any expectation bias) and simply invited folk to share their experience. Presumably, if enough people say "better" then this becomes something in itself without the requirement for "why" which is unanswerable at this time. This being your own view if I read you correctly though there are some candidates as you note: processor activity, power rail delivery etc.. So my feeling is that "why" should have no place on this thread; it just being a place where people report their (subjective) findings. Regards, Audio Bling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47703 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
pkfox wrote: > Hi Aubuti, do you have one of these units ? They do look appealing but > the graphics capability would be wasted with my setup. I have a Fit-PC2, and have been using it exclusively as a music server for almost three years. It's on 24/7 except when I go on holiday or the power goes off. It's an excellent piece of kit, extremely well made, very durable. I don't think you'd need one of the newer models, the Fit2 (like mine) is still available and is just fine for LMS. It can do a lot more, LMS barely impacts on it's cycles. I bought mine diskless and installed a 500gb 2.5" drive -- completely foolproof, just slides into place. You then need to install an OS, though -- you can get a unit with Linux pre-installed, but the drive size is limited. Highly recommended. Ron RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
I added a async USB DAC (Audioengine D1) to one of my systems but prior to doing that upgraded the server to LMS 7.8 beta and it is sending PCM to both SBT and the one loaded w/ EDO is working well. Was not prompted to upgrade firmware so that is still on 7.7.2-r9663. Larry lcrim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1626 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
lcrim wrote: > But the same LMS is serving both SBT. The question is about whether LMS > 7.8 Beta includes the functionality to permit PCM to be sent to an SBT > running EDO and not requiring flac end to end. But thanks for the > snarky reply. > Larry Huh, snarky? You said you were going to add EDO two both units "as funds allow". I simply was confused as to how funds could have anything to do with adding EDO. I genuinely thought that perhaps you didn't fully understand the EDO use case. I wasn't trying to be a smart Alec. And I wasn't responding to the 7.8 part of your question. I haven't used 7.8 yet. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
garym wrote: > But EDO is free? Do you mean you don't yet have money for the second > DAC. EDO is only useful if you have a DAC attached to your Touch, and > that DAC can handle 24/192. A Touch without a DAC has no need for EDO. But the same LMS is serving both SBT. The question is about whether LMS 7.8 Beta includes the functionality to permit PCM to be sent to an SBT running EDO and not requiring flac end to end. But thanks for the snarky reply. Larry lcrim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1626 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
lcrim wrote: > Because I have two systems, each w/ a SBT as digital source and already > use Soundcheck's TT3.0 I am going to add EDO first to one SBT and then > the other as funds allow. But EDO is free? Do you mean you don't yet have money for the second DAC. EDO is only useful if you have a DAC attached to your Touch, and that DAC can handle 24/192. A Touch without a DAC has no need for EDO. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Because I have two systems, each w/ a SBT as digital source and already use Soundcheck's TT3.0 I am going to add EDO first to one SBT and then the other as funds allow. The necessity to use flac end to end in LMS 7.7.2 (currently) as well as the appropriate firmware, causes me some issues. I currently store music as flac but send it from the server to the SBT as PCM. Will the use of a beta release of 7.8 LMS allow me to keep my present use of expanding to PCM at the server rather than change the file types all to flac. I have heard much better sound quality relieving the SBT of the file expansion duties.. The SBT w/o the EDO in place will take a step backwards until it can also use the EDO and I use both systems equally. The combination of EDO and TT3.0 seems to be somewhat mysterious w/ priorities becoming a matter of argument. I was hoping to get some clarity on this as well as clear instructions about which file(s) on the SBT require alteration. Thanks, Larry lcrim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1626 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
How much storage space do you need? I ask because if you get a tiny nettop type system then you may be forced to use an external hard drive (or drives). That's not a terrible thing, but the extra cabling and wall wart can be messy and it somewhat defeats the purpose of using such a small box for the computer itself. If you need a lot of storage space then it means you'll have to use 3.5" drives, since 2.5" drives (which are quieter, cooler, a little more expensive) are currently limited to 1 TB in size (about 2800-3000 CDs encoded in FLAC). If you do need one or more 3.5" drives then IMO it's best to get a case that can hold them internally. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
magiccarpetride wrote: > I must say I'm baffled by your posts here. Didn't you originally claim, > when you announced your EDO, that your intention was ONLY to enable > 24/192 processing on the Touch, and that you were certain that this mod > could not possibly affect the sound quality otherwise? You seemed > adamant at that point then that all the perceived differences are to be > boiled down to subjective placebo and expectation bias. So why are you > now engaged in discussing the possibility that there could be, after > all, differences in the sound quality? What changed? Why don't you stick > to your guns and let the dreamers continue dreaming? Yes... I'm baffled by my posts here :), but its why I wanted to split this discussion from the thread on the Touch forum which is about functionality not subjective impressions of sound quality. I can believe EDO impacts sounds quality, but didn't want to claim it initially exactly because of the direction this thread has taken I believe the main reason there is an impact for this for spdif is that turning off the internal dac means there is less audio related signal on the power rails (should be none!). However this also leads discussion of cpu activity related noise which can be changed by whatever processes run which is the ongoing debate here. In this second case I stand by the belief that unless the code which is executed to move audio packets around is changed in some way then I don't see it impacting sound quality. Changing things which I can show does not impact the alsa settings or the code executed to copy samples around is extremely unlikely to impact sound quality (at best it impacts the content of un-accessed memory locations!) Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Triode wrote: > So are we now back to 0.6 to 0.7 being the change??? Is this shown by > the difference between the two jive_alsa files in the zip file on this > forum? I must say I'm baffled by your posts here. Didn't you originally claim, when you announced your EDO, that your intention was ONLY to enable 24/192 processing on the Touch, and that you were certain that this mod could not possibly affect the sound quality otherwise? You seemed adamant at that point then that all the perceived differences are to be boiled down to subjective placebo and expectation bias. So why are you now engaged in discussing the possibility that there could be, after all, differences in the sound quality? What changed? Why don't you stick to your guns and let the dreamers continue dreaming? magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
pkfox wrote: > Hi there, thanks for your time, I have plenty of experience installing > Linux been with it since Red Hat first started - so what you're saying > is the drive and memory are a piece of cake to fit ? if you didn't fit a > CD/DVD how did you install the OS ? , also how much RAM do you > reccommend ?, sorry for all the questions but I want to get this done > right :-) Yes, no problem to install the hardware -- I think it was 4 screws to take the cover off. The RAM chips can only pop into their slots one way and it was a couple of more screws to mount the drive plus plugging in the cables. I used an external USB CD/DVD drive for the OS install and I believe you can also install the OS from a USB thumb drive. I rip my music on another PC so didn't need a permanently installed drive on the Vortexbox. Currently installed RAM is 2GB and the unit seems to run fine, though you can go to 4GB on the Foxcon barebones unit. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
These days you can grab name brand netbooks for under $200 that are not only whisper quiet and non obtrusive but which also easily run LMS. I use a couple of Acer's in dedicated applications and couldn't be happier. Pneumonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10091 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
Usually barebones units come with the drive cables you need, and it appears that this one does, too. Did you take a look at the manual on the website you linked to: http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/datenblaetter/85-874999/873301-an-01-en-FOXCONN_BAREBONE_R10_D4_ATOM_D525.pdf I recommend 2GB RAM. You won't need all that if you're only running LMS, but at current prices there really isn't any reason to be stingy and go for 1GB. Installation of the OS can be done from a USB stick for most Linux distros. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
mlsstl wrote: > I'm in the US and bought mine on Amazon. The memory just snaps in place > and the SATA hard drive is easy to plug in. (I did not install a CD/DVD > drive on mine.) I'd say the harder part of building your own would be > installing the OS software if you've never done that. > > Check the Vortexbox.org web site for the preconfigured machines. Hi again, I found a UK based site ((http://www.conrad-uk.com/ce/en/product/873301/Foxconn-Barebone-R10-D4-Atom-D525) that sell the barebones unit,they also sell the sata drives and memory - my question is: does the unit or hd come with the necessary cables ( I've never installed a drive before ) if not which cable do I need ? - thanks for your time and patience. pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
mlsstl wrote: > I'm in the US and bought mine on Amazon. The memory just snaps in place > and the SATA hard drive is easy to plug in. (I did not install a CD/DVD > drive on mine.) I'd say the harder part of building your own would be > installing the OS software if you've never done that. > > Check the Vortexbox.org web site for the preconfigured machines. Hi there, thanks for your time, I have plenty of experience installing Linux been with it since Red Hat first started - so what you're saying is the drive and memory are a piece of cake to fit ? if you didn't fit a CD/DVD how did you install the OS ? , also how much RAM do you reccommend ?, sorry for all the questions but I want to get this done right :-) pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do need a Logitech Device?
Accepted - thank you - no harm done. HB HeadBanger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38024 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95286 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
pkfox wrote: > Hi there, this sounds perfect for me, can you buy one with hd already > installed also memory ? Where did you buy yours ( I'm in the UK ) > thanks for replying I'm in the US and bought mine on Amazon. The memory just snaps in place and the SATA hard drive is easy to plug in. (I did not install a CD/DVD drive on mine.) I'd say the harder part of building your own would be installing the OS software if you've never done that. Check the Vortexbox.org web site for the preconfigured machines. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
Hi If you are UK based, have a look at Tranquilpc. website. They manufacture fanless small home servers and fit drives to your requirements. I use a T7 Home Server running Microsoft Windows Home Server Version 1. It has been updated by Tranquil and has performed extremely well for me. It is small and sits on a shelf in my office. It uses about 14-28 Watts of power, dependent on what you are using it for. I am not connected to the company; but I can say I am very happy with my server. sachadog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
mlsstl wrote: > A month or two ago I bought a Foxcon R10-D4 Atom PC with 2 GB RAM and > installed an existing 1.5TB drive along with the Vortexbox software. The > latter is a free download (Linux based, no GUI interface) that is > designed to run headless. Quite inexpensive, very small and works great. > It does have a small fan. While I don't keep mine in the listening room, > it seems pretty quiet, though. > > Vortexbox also sells preconfigured hardware. I think theirs are based on > the MSI barebones unit. Hi there, this sounds perfect for me, can you buy one with hd already installed also memory ? Where did you buy yours ( I'm in the UK ) thanks for replying pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
