Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
My music listening is typically based on my looking through folders, and remembering "oh wow totally forgot about this". I also regularly erase many playlists I got bored off and kinda start from scratch. I do have a folder with "Best of" micro-playlists for all my age long favorites, and regularly use the micro-playlists to compile new versions of the old and the new. I haven't come across a piece of software that kinda supports my unpredictably moody music listening habits, and have always founf the problem with playlists and big libraries is one ends up with too many of them. And don't you ever change the drive name for your music. Mine is still called "500G" even though these days it's a 4TB drive. :-D ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Thanks for the insight, mdconnelly. I've got over 5,500 albums in my collection with 57,000 some-odd tracks and rarely have a problem finding what I want. I suspect Roon is certainly a boon when one is exploring connections one didn't know about or wandering idly around. And, I appreciate that if one is an enthusiastic reader of liner notes, artist & composer bios and the like, that Roon would be a helpful advance. Me? I just mainly listen to the music, and typically don't have a strong interest in knowing that this composer wrote this song in memory of when his dog ran away when he was age 10 or that artist played rhythm guitar on someone else's 1956 one-hit wonder. I will sometimes "lose" a song -- have the tune stuck in my head but for the life of me can't remember the artist or title. It'd be nice to have something to help with that, but I'm not quite sure how Roon would work in that area. And, I'm not sure its worth $120 a year when this situation pops up 2 or 3 times a year. Still looking for something about Roon that really grabs my attention. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
I grew up listening to music by first selecting what I wanted to listen to and then cueing it up.As my collection grew, I would occasionally flip through my bins of albums, later CDs, seeing if something hit my fancy. I organized albums by genre and even had a bin of "favorites". This worked fine when my total collection numbered in the hundreds at most. Fast forward 40 years... I now have several thousand albums, most now in digital form either by ripping and tagging or buying online and downloading. Until Roon, my approach to what to listen to, however, was still the same -- either first picking what I wanted to listen to or flipping through the virtual bins. LMS/iPeng made it easy to flip, but with out any added value other than the choice to select by genre, album title, artist or favorites. Quicker by far that searching the stacks, but still conceptually the same. Roon has taken it a major step forward by reinventing the music discovery process enabled by their slick UI and depth of metadata. In truth, I still often know what I want to listen to and just select that within Roon - no better or worse than with LMS/iPeng. But, when I sit down to peruse my music on my iPad or laptop via Roon, I learn far more about what I'm listening to and, more importantly, rediscover albums that I've long forgotten (or discover new music on Tidal). This greatly enriches and broadens my music listening experience. It did not take me long to feel that Roon lifetime was worth the price. I've spent far more on far dumber audio-investments. In my opinion, Slimdevices and the Squeezebox revolutionized how we collect, manage and play music.Roon has revolutionized how we listen to it. Mike (1 SB3, 1 Duet, 1 Boom, 2 Touch, 1 Radio & heavy use of iPeng on various iThings) mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
garym wrote: > I'd say no, you haven't missed anything. Perhaps the idea that it is a > server that is agnostic to many different player endpoints but is > fortunately NOT generic/not useful DLNA. Yes that ambition to play on almost any endpoint (expect upnp/dlna) Julf wrote: > But you are still at the mercy of a provider of a proprietary system. :( As always, the mother of all proprietary systems iTunes for example :( I also dislike proprietary systems as much as anyone else :( ,but these guys have no hardware to sell to finance the software as SLIM/Logitech did so charge for their software they must if they want to have a business . Another thing happened metadata of any quality has been monetised , thats why free projekt struggle to get lyrics pictures reviews and other stuff . A large chunk of the ROON fee goes to metadata providers . If a comercial program show your cover image from you files thats probably ok but what if it subtitutes with a higher rez one from the internet ? thst probably some IP rigth there . My pow i do like nice aditional data when i listen i have my iPad nearby and using iPeng with suitable plugins read bios and have a clance at credits pictures etc , is that the artist info plugin that gives me that . They provide SDK for hardware manufacturers for RAAT ok but thats not really free software ? Why cant any hobbyist roll their own player . Logitech could grove a bussines around mysqueezebox.com by selling that acess to hardware manufacturers making replacement squeezeboxes . or maybe the protocols used in our boxes starting showing thier age ? I also whished that you could source players endpionts software and servers indepedently , but then you fall down to upnp . LMS do provide that sort of :) and its suprisingly resiliant ? I wonder why we survive ,of course all the free time entusiast use to maintain the system especially Mherger . I start to develop a theory that we are on the backburner rather than abandoned , maybe Logitech keeps the infrastructure just in case and it probably provide some small revenue from service providers . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
Julf wrote: > But you are still at the mercy of a provider of a proprietary system. :( > Yes, you are insofar as the software is concerned. From a hardware perspective you're free to make your own decisions and from an underlying audio library perspective Roon leaves all that untouched...so at the end of the day your only exposure is loss of functionality if Roon was no longer supported. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
mlsstl wrote: > I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong > points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to > bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. > > The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to > listen to music and the LMS/Squeezebox system works great for this. The > latter seems interesting, since it appears it'd add more info to what > I've collected in my own system, but then I'm currently not having too > hard a time finding the music I want to listen to. > > So that's where I stand right now -- some interesting possibilities but > it hardly seems worth a $120 annual subscription or $500 fee up front. > > Have I missed something?I was a Squeezebox/LMS user from early 2000's through > to earlier this year. It is a great music streaming solution, and still the only thing I'd recommend to anyone if they weren't going to use Roon. Fundamentally what Roon provides me with from a user experience perspective is deeper and richer ways to explore my music collection, something that just isn't possible with LMS. Some examples: I like to read artist biographies and album reviews. Other artists, albums, composers etc. named therein can be clicked through from within the biographies or reviews. Let's say I like Simon Phillips' work as a drummer and would like to find every album in my library where he makes an appearance...simply go to an album he appears in or search for him as an artist and click through...you'll be presented a complete list of albums in your library he's appeared on, many of which may be complete surprises to you unless you're a walking encyclopedia of music. If it's something I'm going to want to come back to often I can bookmark that and any other filtered result I care to see without having to redefine/ re-specify the criteria. If I want to see all albums released by a specific record label within a selected genre(s) that's pretty simple too. I can browse all Soundtracks, EPs, Singles or any combination of genres, years, decades, audio formats etc. at the touch of a button. When I'm browsing an artist I can see their main albums, Singles and EPs and appearances logically arranged. I also have at my fingertips a list of artists that are Similar To, Followed By, Influenced By and Associated With that artist. Whilst this kind of exploration may not appeal to everyone, I find it incredibly useful, it's something I've always wanted to be an integral part of my listening experience and unfortunately it's something LMS simply cannot provide. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
mlsstl wrote: > I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong > points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to > bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. > > The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to > listen to music and the LMS/Squeezebox system works great for this. The > latter seems interesting, since it appears it'd add more info to what > I've collected in my own system, but then I'm currently not having too > hard a time finding the music I want to listen to. > > So that's where I stand right now -- some interesting possibilities but > it hardly seems worth a $120 annual subscription or $500 fee up front. > > Have I missed something?I was a Squeezebox/LMS user from early 2000's through > to earlier this year. It is a great music streaming solution, and still the only thing I'd recommend to anyone if they weren't going to use Roon. Fundamentally what Roon provides me with from a user experience perspective is deeper and richer ways to explore my music collection, something that just isn't possible with LMS. Some examples: I like to read artist biographies and album reviews. Other artists, albums, composers etc. named therein can be clicked through from within the biographies or reviews. Let's say I like Simon Phillips' work as a drummer and would like to find every album in my library where he makes an appearance...simply go to an album he appears in or search for him as an artist and click through...you'll be presented a complete list of albums in your library he's appeared on, many of which may be complete surprises to you unless you're a walking encyclopedia of music. If it's something I'm going to want to come back to often I can bookmark that and any other filtered result I care to see without having to redefine/ re-specify the criteria. If I want to see all albums released by a specific record label within a selected genre(s) that's pretty simple too. I can browse all Soundtracks, EPs, Singles or any combination of genres, years, decades etc. at the touch of a button. When I'm browsing an artist I can see their main albums, Singles and EPs and appearances logically arranged. I also have at my fingertips a list of artists that are Similar To, Followed By, Influenced By and Associated With that artist. Whilst this kind of exploration may not appeal to everyone, I find it incredibly useful, it's something I've always wanted to be an integral part of my listening experience and unfortunately it's something LMS simply cannot provide. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software
garym wrote: > I'd say no, you haven't missed anything. Perhaps the idea that it is a > server that is agnostic to many different player endpoints but is > fortunately NOT generic/not useful DLNA. But you are still at the mercy of a provider of a proprietary system. :( "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
