Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > Surface Mount Device - a newer way to solder parts to circuit cards > while avoiding soldering and bending wires and drilling holes in the > circuit cards for those wires. The parts are glued to the board with > high temperature epoxy and soldered in an oven that melts solder on the > boards to solder on the parts. The parts can be very tiny, so > magnifyling glasses are often used. Requires re-equipping and > re-training people who assemble and repair the new style boards. Thanks for the heads-up Arny! I get the idea but don't think it's my idea of fun. My oven's strictly for cooking... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > I'm all for a bit of fun. > > What does "SMD" stand for, please? I'm having trouble understanding your > banter, old chap! > > Dave :) Surface Mount Device - a newer way to solder parts to circuit cards while avoiding soldering and bending wires and drilling holes in the circuit cards for those wires. The parts are glued to the board with high temperature epoxy and soldered in an oven that melts solder on the boards to solder on the parts. The parts can be very tiny, so magnifyling glasses are often used. Requires re-equipping and re-training people who assemble and repair the new style boards. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Wombat wrote: > There is no need and i don't start threads about imaginary things i > daydream to be heard just because i wasted 2000$ on something that adds > no improvement. > I sometimes mod things for fun because i can. How was your latest SMD > soldering going? I'm all for a bit of fun. What does "SMD" stand for, please? I'm having trouble understanding your banter, old chap! Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > > I notice that you haven't explained your modded Transporter yet for our > edification... > There is no need and i don't start threads about imaginary things i daydream to be heard just because i wasted 2000$ on something that adds no improvement. I sometimes mod things for fun because i can. How was your latest SMD soldering going? Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Julf wrote: > The ENOB (effective number of bits) of the sabre is 22 bits. That's more SNR than I'm going to get out of my room. Your point about available recordings is accepted. Dave :) P.S. Sorry for delay, I hammerited my nose! How I laffed... Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Wombat wrote: > You surely were already from the start of your promotional trip. So many > posts, so many brainfu** but no time to do even a small valid test... Hi again Wombat! I notice that you haven't explained your modded Transporter yet for our edification... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
darrenyeats wrote: > FWIW, SoX uses 32 bit integer internally when passing data between each > process step you specify. Sure, and most DSP chips also use 32 bit (or more) *internally*. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
FWIW, SoX uses 32 bit integer internally when passing data between each process step you specify. Each process step can internally use a higher resolution, some calculations use 64 bit float. SoX can also finally output 32 bit PCM as WAV, if you want. Check it, add to it! http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > > I'm now starting to feel justified in my assertion that I'm getting > superior audible output... > You surely were already from the start of your promotional trip. So many posts, so many brainfuck but no time to do even a small valid test... Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > P.S. As I understand it, it's got 4 Sabre DAC chips in it The ENOB (effective number of bits) of the sabre is 22 bits. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Since the DAC will accept up to 32 bit 384kHz PCM (via USB input), I > think the latter... Or not. "32 bit PCM" most often means 32-bit floating point (that has a resolution of 23 bits), not 32-bit fixed point. Anyway, 32-bit fixed point would not make any sense, as there aren't any practical DACs with linearity and SNR that would exceed 24 bits. And, of course, good luck finding a commercial recording with a SNR exceeding 16 bits. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Julf wrote: > Are we talking about 32-bit floating point (that has 24 bit resolution) > or something with a resolution that is higher than 24 bits? Hi Julf! Since the DAC will accept up to 32 bit 384kHz PCM (via USB input), I think the latter... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Of course back in 2008 Sean was still singing the praises of the fixed > point 24 bit DAC chips inside the Transporter (which were famously > marketed as "magic") & its 20ps jitter internal clock - but then there > weren't any 32 bit DAC chips back then. Are we talking about 32-bit floating point (that has 24 bit resolution) or something with a resolution that is higher than 24 bits? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Hi all! I've finally stumbled across Mr Adams himself discussing using an external DAC to a Transporter, & his theoretical justification for the best way to do it... The discussion comes in a Slim Devices forum thread where Mr Adams is (very patiently!) trying to explain to someone who has splashed out a king's ransom on dcs high-end gear why it is the -*wrong*- approach to use the word clock output from an externally boxed dcs "super clock", here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/archive/index.php/t-39770.html To justify his argument, Sean then goes on to reference the following theoretical exposition (by an Italian chap, in slightly shaky English - however the logic is quite clear): http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/diginterf2_e.html So there we have it at last. Sean put the word clock in on the Transporter so that the preferred "backwards" configuration of connection between transport & external DAC could be used. Note that the point of the word clock connection is to prevent clock *-drift-* not to eliminate jitter. It is made quite clear that the digital jitter will be increased by connectors, cabling & the physical distance between the clock & the DAC chip. However so long as the jitter does not become so severe as to affect the actual bit stream, this will not matter *-since the bit stream is re-clocked in the external DAC right next to the DAC chip -*if the "backwards" connection arrangement is used. So any increase in jitter up to that point will be totally eliminated. This "backwards" method of connection is precisely the way I have my Transporter connected to my Mytek Brooklyn DAC, with the 0.8ps jitter internal DAC clock (right next to the Sable 32 bit floating point DAC chips) acting as the master clock for the slaved Transporter. Of course back in 2008 Sean was still singing the praises of the fixed point 24 bit DAC chips inside the Transporter (which were famously marketed as "magic") & its 20ps jitter internal clock - but then there weren't any 32 bit DAC chips back then. I'm now starting to feel justified in my assertion that I'm getting superior audible output... Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
