Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
I have just checked this and I am able to play both 24/192 and 24/176 but the files are transcoded to 96 and 88 respectively. The latter are the frequencies shown as input by my Tact Audio TCS3. When I click on the particular track for info it seems that the 192 track is being converted to FLAC but at a much lower bit rate, about 786 which is what I would get with 16/44 files. My library is all in Apple lossless format. Regards Jose -- jra...@wbs.co.za jra...@wbs.co.za's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5282 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
jra...@wbs.co.za;634000 Wrote: I have just checked this and I am able to play both 24/192 and 24/176 but the files are transcoded to 96 and 88 respectively. The latter are the frequencies shown as input by my Tact Audio TCS3. When I click on the particular track for info it seems that the 192 track is being converted to FLAC but at a much lower bit rate, about 786 which is what I would get with 16/44 files. My library is all in Apple lossless format. Regards Jose Sure, this is how it works. But we were discussing here about Transporter being able to play these files directly without downsampling -- michael123 Michael michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
jra...@wbs.co.za;634000 Wrote: When I click on the particular track for info it seems that the 192 track is being converted to FLAC but at a much lower bit rate, about 786 which is what I would get with 16/44 files. My library is all in Apple lossless format. Regards Jose It seems that way, but it is actually that track info thats is wrong, it is properly transcoded to 24/96 or 88.2 . It's one audiophile every week that gets Cardiac dysrhythmia over this (this observation pops up every week for the last 5 years, no one uses the forum search), if some developer please could have the wits to change that text to transcoded or similar , some of the devs must secretly have a lot of fun with this ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
Mnyb;634004 Wrote: It seems that way, but it is actually that track info thats is wrong, it is properly transcoded to 24/96 or 88.2 . It's one audiophile every week that gets Cardiac dysrhythmia over this (this observation pops up every week for the last 5 years, no one uses the forum search), if some developer please could have the wits to change that text to transcoded or similar , some of the devs must secretly have a lot of fun with this ;) I haven't seen that particular note for a while now (I'm using 7.5.4). For example, I am looking at the info on a 24/96 track, Hey Nineteen. It simply states, bitrate: 2969kbps VBR. There is no longer any note about converted to xxx. I'm viewing this on my Touch. -- CharlieG CharlieG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
CharlieG;634026 Wrote: I haven't seen that particular note for a while now (I'm using 7.5.4). For example, I am looking at the info on a 24/96 track, Hey Nineteen. It simply states, bitrate: 2969kbps VBR. There is no longer any note about converted to xxx. I'm viewing this on my Touch. Thats because it is not transcoded try a 24/192 file, or any other file not suported by the Touch or if you have a boom or SB3 play it on them. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
Well it still a very classy and classic product :) if I had use for high quality analogue outs or it's clock in features I would sure get one. Well engineered and a solid design. Dead or not digital audio have not changed much since 2006 either it's age shows when it comes to apps and services when more support from a sbs server is needed and some more formats that needs transcoding . But the intended user have his flac or wav files, so it's still good for it's main purpose. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
Phil Leigh;633268 Wrote: erm... the crystal oscillator(s) always runs at a fixed very high frequency... the clock circuit that controls the dac runs at the required sample rate... as far as I know, that's not the case with AKM, the only limitation is the (weak) CPU and the (heavy) firmware Discussion is pointless since the Transporter line is dead, I am happy enough it is still supported by the Squeeze ecosystem. P.S. There are quite a lot of 192/24 material. Many classical albums, some jazz. -- michael123 Michael michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
michael123;633346 Wrote: as far as I know, that's not the case with AKM, the only limitation is the (weak) CPU and the (heavy) firmware Discussion is pointless since the Transporter line is dead, I am happy enough it is still supported by the Squeeze ecosystem. P.S. There are quite a lot of 192/24 material. Many classical albums, some jazz. It's got nothing to do with the dac chip... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
michael123;633346 Wrote: as far as I know, that's not the case with AKM, the only limitation is the (weak) CPU and the (heavy) firmware Discussion is pointless since the Transporter line is dead, I am happy enough it is still supported by the Squeeze ecosystem. P.S. There are quite a lot of 192/24 material. Many classical albums, some jazz. Is the Transporter line dead now that there is a Transporter SE available? I thought the SE was new? No? -- dminches Modwright Platinum Signature Truth modified Transporter Modwright LS-100 Modwright KWA-150 Vandersteen 5A dminches's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12606 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
The SE is simply a normal Transporter without the expensive knob on the front. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
I understand that. It is still available so I would therefore not think that the transporter line is dead. -- dminches Modwright Platinum Signature Truth modified Transporter Modwright LS-100 Modwright KWA-150 Vandersteen 5A dminches's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12606 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
The clock fed into the DAC chip has to be a certain multiple of the sample rate, usually 128 or 256. Frequently it can be greater as well such as 512. Common frequencies for the 48Khz family are 12.288Mhz or 24.576MHz. IF the minimum multiplier for the DAC chip is 128, and 12.288 was chosen as the crystal frequency then the system can play up to 96 but cannot handle 192. Even if the DAC chip spec sheet says its 192 capable. If 24.576 was used then it can play 192. So whether a particular DAC implementation can play 192 depends on the minimum clock multiplier supported by the DAC chip and what crystal frequencies are used. I just checked and the DAC chip in the TP has a minimum clock multiplier of 128. So to play 192 it must have a 24.576 crystal. (or multiple) Of course all this is irrelevant if the CPU can't handle the data that fast. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=219727postcount=3 Transporter: 11.2896 and 24.5760 -- michael123 Michael michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
dminches;633376 Wrote: I understand that. It is still available so I would therefore not think that the transporter line is dead. Defo - thats a truism :) As for the future, the technology-platform on which the TP is built is dying and along with it, the TP - to stay in the termoninolgy. Moreover, if you can find a single convincing argument as to why Logitech would keep on investing in expensive hifi-gear - I'm all ears. Otherwise the whole high-end Squeezebox-thing ends when the current TP (SE) goes out of production. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
michael123;633390 Wrote: Expensive or not... it is surgically reduced plain Transporter circa 2006 Its not only the TP itself thats reduced - AFAIK its only available (from Logitech) in the US. So its hardly still going strong... -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
michael123;633409 Wrote: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=219727postcount=3 Hmm, thats interesting, that means that theoretically it can do 192 but NOT 176. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
Assuming it is a limitation of Transporter's processing power, can we relax the fw a bit to support 24/192 WAV or AIFF? Or FLAC with lesser compression level? PS - title should read Any way -- Kuro Kuro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
Its not possible. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
This is a hardware issue, not a firmware issue... and no, it can't be done. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
hardware? -- michael123 Michael michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
michael123;633255 Wrote: hardware? yes - the TP clocks and supporting circuitry cannot run at 192 -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
As far as I know, clocks are OK and the circuitry is fine (we modded Transporter twice, replaced output stage, replaced two clocks, modded transformers, added power supplies for clocks, some more capacitors for the power supply). DAC is fine as well CPU is weak and cannot carry the bitstream of 192/24 (which is also happening with 96/24 with high compression rate).. This is what I know.. -- michael123 Michael michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
michael123;633264 Wrote: As far as I know, clocks are OK and the circuitry is fine (we modded Transporter twice, replaced output stage, replaced two clocks, modded transformers, added power supplies for clocks, some more capacitors for the power supply). There are two clocks, which are running on two basic frequencies. One for 44.1Khz, another for 48KHz and multiple frequencies DAC is fine as well CPU is weak and cannot carry the bitstream of 192/24 (which is also happening with 96/24 with high compression rate).. This is what I know.. The CPU I included in supporting circuitry. I didn't mention the DAC. Just because there is a 48kHz multiple clock doesn't mean it can run at 192... we've been here before :-) http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=527638postcount=16 -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
The clock is not @ 48KHz, at some other freq, I do not remember.. Of course it can run on 192Khz, it always runs on a constant frequency, regardless of signal And yes, we've been here before :) I feel good enough with 96Khz. Modern DACs now have support for 384/32, so even supporting 192KHz will not be sufficient forever.. -- michael123 Michael michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
michael123;633267 Wrote: The clock is not @ 48KHz, at some other freq, I do not remember.. Of course it can run on 192Khz, it always runs on a constant frequency, regardless of signal And yes, we've been here before :) I feel good enough with 96Khz. Modern DACs now have support for 384/32, so even supporting 192KHz will not be sufficient forever.. erm... the crystal oscillator(s) always runs at a fixed very high frequency... the clock circuit that controls the dac runs at the required sample rate... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyway for Transporter to support 24/192?
The forum search function is recommended this old issue has been rehashed many times in different forms (same goes for Touch) for the at least 5 years. This is also a non problem as there is almost no real music available in 192k And some is sourced from consumer SACD ? who's ultrasonic noise drowns any residual music content at high frequncies so 24/88.2 is sufficient for that (so you get everything above 44.1 filtered away) whats the point in encoding DSD HF noise up to 96k . 20/88.2 would probably code SACD sourced material just fine imho... The one 192k record I have is sourced from an analog master from the sixties. 16/44.1 would encode that just fine, however the remastering work is very good, so it was worth getting for that. There will be very few PCM recorded (no consumer DSD) modern digital productions at 192k much of that will be audiophile music yuk. Your life is to short. Wake me up when you can buy real music in this format in any quantity. However 24/96 gets more traction, Steve Earle's latest comes in an edition with an DVDV with a 24/96 2ch version of the whole album :) Neil Young can be had in 24/96 too. Even 24/96 is a marginal format, not used very much so almost insignificant in music business as a whole. But due to DVDA rips and some online vendors, I have at least accumulated 124 albums in 24/96 format. it makes a dent in my music collection 124/2603 = 4.76% I'm probably lucky to find that much music I wanted in that format, how many of those have a recording quality that merits a hirez release ? not that many, i have to say :-/ and some if is *couch* audiophile music I wasted my time with. If you do your own studio work and wants to listen to some raw material in 192k I would try to audition a DAC from Weiss for example. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87939 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
