Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
Yep, they are hot water bottles. -- Rick B. Rick B.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
They looked like hot water bottles to me, also ... My reaction is that they were there to produce that elusive warm sound. -- whdean whdean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9127 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
Shocking to see that none of the speakers are bi-wired. Must be a Bose outlet. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. (Bedroom) Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
LOL, those bag things that the cables are wrapped around look like hot water bottles to me. I guess you don't see them around that much these days? You fill them with hot water and take them to bed with you to keep warm in the winter - that's if you don't have central heating, I guess... Rick -- superdus superdus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
This has not crossed my mind. . +---+ |Filename: wirejoke.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3074| +---+ -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
That wouldn't win any caption contests, IMHO. Unless someone can clue me in, I'm going to imagine they are bags of snake oil. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
Skunk;216472 Wrote: That wouldn't win any caption contests, IMHO. Unless someone can clue me in, I'm going to imagine they are bags of snake oil. Dunno 'bout that, I'm not sure myself...my first impression was that electrons flow best at room temperature (snake oil). Actually, the colder the better, so never mind. Try closing your eyes and imagine the expanded soundstage...or better yet, a sense of humor. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
haunyack;216476 Wrote: Try closing your eyes and imagine the expanded soundstage...or better yet, a sense of humor. . Ah, not being able to see the comic and imagining a sense of humor works well. Funny comic. Also, my soundstage is already too large- not to mention deep- so I'm going more for the solidified and pratty sound now. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
Skunk;216477 Wrote: Ah, not being able to see the comic and imagining a sense of humor works well. Funny comic. Also, my soundstage is already too large- not to mention deep- so I'm going more for the solidified and pratty sound now. I'm sorry Skunk...does the .jpg not show? . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
The .jpg shows up fine, but I thought maybe I was missing the meme of what those bags are supposed to represent. I suppose the humor is in the fact that nothing in the bag could audibly affect the performance of the speaker cable, unless it's ferrite chips maybe.Your suggestion of closing my eyes and imagining it was funny worked well though. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
Club1820;215120 Wrote: When is the last time you vacuumed? Must have been awhile? Well. I vacuum regularly? (weekly). I've had my Vandy's for about 2 months now an it just occured to me to vacuum the grill clothe. First time. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
tyler_durden;215124 Wrote: Flow or an object moving through a fluid is not the same a waves moving around an object. TD Only in that the wave produces motion of the air in both directions. -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) - 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) - 'BAT VK-31SE' (http://www.balanced.com/products/line/Vk-31SE/index.html) - 'Halo A21' (http://www.parasound.com/halo/a21.php) - 'BW 803D' (http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20803D) Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
You have you grills on your speakers? While you're listening? -- nelamvr6 nelamvr6's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
haunyack;214845 Wrote: Dimples on a golf ball are symmetrical, therefore the effect of air pressure is predictable. If one could predict the effects of random occurrence (grime on a car finish, for example), that person could play the lotto and win every time. Random occurrence is the angst of statistical analysis. It's not about prediction - despite the symmetry, even golf ball dimples are designed mostly by trial and error. It may be counterintutive, but Tyler is right. Rough surfaces create a layer of turbulent air around the object, and that often lowers the overall drag force. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
opaqueice;214902 Wrote: It's not about prediction - despite the symmetry, even golf ball dimples are designed mostly by trial and error. It may be counterintutive, but Tyler is right. Rough surfaces create a layer of turbulent air around the object, and that often lowers the overall drag force. Sorry, guys. I gotta call a BS on this. A rough surface increases drag. Dimples and other effects that control vortices can improve performance by managing air separation over the surface. On airplanes, we use vortex generators to do this. Dirt on a car or airplane slow it down. I once read a CAFE study that tried to determine the performance impact of waxing an airplane. They concluded there was none, but discovered about a 1% increase in top speed by removing bugs and dirt from all surfaces. -Ben -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) - 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) - 'BAT VK-31SE' (http://www.balanced.com/products/line/Vk-31SE/index.html) - 'Halo A21' (http://www.parasound.com/halo/a21.php) - 'BW 803D' (http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20803D) Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
Ben Diss;214906 Wrote: Sorry, guys. I gotta call a BS on this. A rough surface increases drag. Dimples and other effects that control vortices can improve performance by managing air separation over the surface. On airplanes, we use vortex generators to do this. Dirt on a car or airplane slow it down. I once read a CAFE study that tried to determine the performance impact of waxing an airplane. They concluded there was none, but discovered about a 1% increase in top speed by removing bugs and dirt from all surfaces. -Ben Rough surfaces increase drag *at the surface*, but they also can create a turbulent layer of air at relatively low speeds. The main flow slipping around that layer can then remain laminar for longer and close in more tightly behind the object, which sometimes means that the overall drag is reduced. My intuition on a piece of dirt on an airplane is that it probably would slow it down, because one or a few pieces of dirt are not going to create such a layer. But if you really dipped it in mud or something, who knows... Exactly what happens in some particular case is extremely difficult to predict: http://www.claymath.org/millennium/Navier-Stokes_Equations/ -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
Now THIS is a thread! TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
opaqueice;214909 Wrote: Rough surfaces increase drag *at the surface*, but they also can create a turbulent layer of air at relatively low speeds. The main flow slipping around that layer can then remain laminar for longer and close in more tightly behind the object, which sometimes means that the overall drag is reduced. My intuition on a piece of dirt on an airplane is that it probably would slow it down, because one or a few pieces of dirt are not going to create such a layer. But if you really dipped it in mud or something, who knows... Exactly what happens in some particular case is extremely difficult to predict: http://www.claymath.org/millennium/Navier-Stokes_Equations/ Controlling turbulence at the boundary layer may allow the flow to remain attached longer, but it will not cause it to be a laminar flow and it will not reduce overall drag. For example, adding vortex generators to an airplane will aid in control as the airflow remains attached at the control surface, but the penalty is lower max airspeed. -Ben -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) - 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) - 'BAT VK-31SE' (http://www.balanced.com/products/line/Vk-31SE/index.html) - 'Halo A21' (http://www.parasound.com/halo/a21.php) - 'BW 803D' (http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20803D) Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
Ben Diss;214947 Wrote: Controlling turbulence at the boundary layer may allow the flow to remain attached longer, but it will not cause it to be a laminar flow and it will not reduce overall drag. For example, adding vortex generators to an airplane will aid in control as the airflow remains attached at the control surface, but the penalty is lower max airspeed. Well, you're probably right it won't help for teardrop shapes like wings (and if you can prove it Clay has $1,000,000 waiting for you!), but for less aerodynamic shapes such as spheres it really does work that way. Have a look at this very nice discussion: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0215.shtml -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
nelamvr6;214901 Wrote: You have you grills on your speakers? While you're listening? Well yes, the grills stay on as they are virtually permanent. My speakers are the Vandersteen 3a Signature and according to Richard, the grill clothe is integral to the design. Removal requires partial disassembly of the unit itself. So as they are dust collectors, I now know that regular vacuuming is required in order to keep the pristine sound. As for laminar flow, it applies to an object moving through space, in this case I would say that space (sound waves) are moving through an object (grill clothe). . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
Note to self: Don't make any 'rocket scientist' jokes around here, you're likely to upset a few people. Geez, what a crowd! -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
Well, I vacuum my electrostatics every week, this way they stay like new, the panels dont accumulate dust and loose conductivity prematurely. -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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nicketynick;214980 Wrote: Note to self: Don't make any 'rocket scientist' jokes around here, you're likely to upset a few people. Geez, what a crowd! My all-time favorite Onion headline: Suborbital Ballistic-Propulsion Engineer Not Exactly A Rocket Scientist -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
When is the last time you vacuumed? Must have been awhile? -- Club1820 Club1820's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
haunyack;214971 Wrote: As for laminar flow, it applies to an object moving through space, in this case I would say that space (sound waves) are moving through an object (grill clothe) Flow or an object moving through a fluid is not the same a waves moving around an object. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
So I decided it was time to vacuum...I'm a bachelor so that is indeed a somewhat rare occasion. It occurred to me to put the brush on the attachment hose and vacuum the grill clothe on my speakers. Well, an improvement (no dbt to verify) in [audiophile adjective] and [audiophile adjective] is immediately apparent. Also the [audiophile adjective] became [audiophile adjective] with greater [audiophile adjective]. Nice! . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
haunyack wrote: It occurred to me to put the brush on the attachment hose and vacuum the grill clothe on my speakers. You mean you removed a veil? -- Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.bioinformatx.com ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Pat Farrell;214833 Wrote: haunyack wrote: It occurred to me to put the brush on the attachment hose and vacuum the grill clothe on my speakers. You mean you removed a veil? -- Pat Farrell pfarrell (AT) bioinformatx (DOT) com www.bioinformatx.com Quite right Pat. A veil of dust. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
You know, my car always seems to drive better when it's clean. I wonder if it is the same phenomenon... TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
tyler_durden;214838 Wrote: You know, my car always seems to drive better when it's clean. I wonder if it is the same phenomenon... TD It's been proven that a layer of grime does reduce the aerodynamic (laminar flow) properties of a moving object. Vacuum excluded of course. So, I agree that a layer of dust would interfere with the sound pressure emitted from a transducer. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Actually, at subsonic speeds, a layer of dirt would probably improve aerodynamics by trapping a layer of still air against the body of the car. Air slides over air more easily than air slides over the car body. This is the reason why golf balls have a dimpled cover. They fly farther with the dimpled cover because of reduced drag. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
So, you're saying parking lot dings improve overall performance? I dunno; I've been using high-voltage electrical insulator wax on my cars for several years, and they are so slippery if you lean against them you'll slide right off. http://www.amazon.com/845-Liquid-Insulator-Wax/dp/B000AP1JUA -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
tyler_durden;214843 Wrote: Actually, at subsonic speeds, a layer of dirt would probably improve aerodynamics by trapping a layer of still air against the body of the car. Air slides over air more easily than air slides over the car body. This is the reason why golf balls have a dimpled cover. They fly farther with the dimpled cover because of reduced drag. TD Dimples on a golf ball are symmetrical, therefore the effect of air pressure is predictable. If one could predict the effects of random occurrence (grime on a car finish, for example), that person could play the lotto and win every time. Random occurance is the angst of statistical analysis. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
