Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
NAD is a pretty good brand all in all. The M22 power amp uses Hypex. Yes, I am partial as per my sig. Sure there are lower priced manifestations, but hey. It's one of those things where you never have to worry about an amp again (ha- famous last words). Then again - who is so helpless they think they need an audio brand for ripping and streaming stuff? Your chain starts at the DAC. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 14 Pro) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
Like most hi-end hifi companies they just buy the software platform in and do a bit of case/logo engineering for these types of products. As these are low volume products (and always will be, they simply can't make a lot of them) they need to make high margins. The buyers know this, and they understand there is *some* value in the "rare" nature of the product, whether it performs any different from anything else or not. No intrinsic value, of course, just a perceptual value. Personally I'm not interested in the rarity value and will stick to digital sources that are well enough engineered to be reliable and no more than that.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
ralphpnj wrote: > I just quickly scanned the Roon review and, of course, there is no > mention of the Logitech Squeezebox ecosystem, apparently vinyl and CD > are acceptable forms of aging technology but LMS is not. Go figure. Cheer up, Ralph - both turtles & crocodiles were around when there were dinosaurs roaming the planet, & Natural Selection has found no avenue to improve upon an already perfected design in the intervening period! Dave :D Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
In a related event, today my monthly humor magazine, aka Stereophle, arrived in the mail. Gracing this month cover is a wonderful piece of audiophile equipment, namely the Apple HomePod. Now to be fair, I read the entire HomePod review, written by Jim Austin, and it was surprisingly informative and covered all the major points of concern, namely design, construction and functionality. And while Mr. Austin does mention that the device makes extensive use of DSP I still feel that Stereophile and many of the other high end audio publications have yet to come to terms with DSP, which at this point in time, is being used just about everywhere. Elsewhere in this month's Stereophile were the usual audiophile suspects: an $8300 turntable (to better hear all that vinyl distortion), mono power amps with one pair at $42,000 and another at $119,000 (this price apparently is okay since "its construction quality is heroic"), a $2000 a pair of monitor speakers and Roon Labs $2500 music server. I just quickly scanned the Roon review and, of course, there is no mention of the Logitech Squeezebox ecosystem, apparently vinyl and CD are acceptable forms of aging technology but LMS is not. Go figure. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Well :) this is all fun , but if you really want to make fun of an audiophool product there are far worse out there . Except for the price this NAD product is quite normal 10-30 k$ dacs that performs worse than a 400$ DVD player from China for example that is ofcourse adored by the high end magazines and more... Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
Golden Earring wrote: > I think at my age I'd rather get an Orgasmatron - it would save me a lot > of physical effort... > > Dave :D I'd want the version that comes with Jane Fonda... I have, however, sat in an Orgone box (sadly, to no effect): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone Bill ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
ftlight wrote: > In a foreshadowing of many future audiophile devices, John W Campbell, > the editor of Astounding Science Fiction magazine, and a big proponent > in the 1950s of the Hieronymus Machine, the Dean Drive, the Scientology > E-meter and other similar devices, showed by experiment that a schematic > of the Hieronymus machine drawn on paper worked just as well as the > device itself. This was, of course a not-at-all-double-blind test. > > Bill I think at my age I'd rather get an Orgasmatron - it would save me a lot of physical effort... Dave :D Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Golden Earring wrote: > Wow, Bill, you nearly got me there! > > I followed your link, & was enjoying the "weird science" & reflecting > that with all those low voltage DC probes I might be able to cancel my > next appointment with the proctologist. > > THEN, the clouds parted, a very bright light shone through & I heard a > commanding voice saying, "Sell ALL of your hi-fi immediately & buy one > of these contraptions!". > > Summoning my dwindling willpower, I took a large dose of a 2nd > generation atypical antipsychotic medication that I happened to have to > hand. > > I'm now feeling -slightly- better, but it was a close shave... > > Dave ;) In a foreshadowing of many future audiophile devices, John W Campbell, the editor of Astounding Science Fiction magazine, and a big proponent in the 1950s of the Hieronymus Machine, the Dean Drive, the Scientology E-meter and other similar devices, showed by experiment that a schematic of the Hieronymus machine drawn on paper worked just as well as the device itself. This was, of course a not-at-all-double-blind test. Bill ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
ftlight wrote: > Ah, you mean like a Hieronymus Machine: > > https://josephmax.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/hieronymus_machine_1/ Wow, Bill, you nearly got me there! I followed your link, & was enjoying the "weird science" & reflecting that with all those low voltage DC probes I might be able to cancel my next appointment with the proctologist. THEN, the clouds parted, a very bright light shone through & I heard a commanding voice saying, "Sell ALL of your hi-fi immediately & buy one of these contraptions!". Summoning my dwindling willpower, I took a large dose of a 2nd generation atypical antipsychotic medication that I happened to have to hand. I'm now feeling -slightly- better, but it was a close shave... Dave ;) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
Well its NAD so i pobably actually just overengineered and overpriced as it is a part of their best series. No blatant cargocult engineering as tubes and nos dac and papper and oil capacitors and other exoctica. Not badly engineered but why choose this price point ? How many can they sell then ? Price is a part of the product so its set at this level for some reason ? And ues a nice box expensive looking full size boxes are actually expensive. Many high end byuers may not realise how much of the pricing is the boxes and strive to have as many separete boxes as possible ? Im happy with my rpi3 and HiFiBerry. Also blueos is its own thing they have some possible consumer loock in if one has more blueos products. And it supports ROON who seems to be in with the high end crew just now. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
Golden Earring wrote: > Don't ask Bill, it's -technical- :rolleyes: > > Dave :cool: I cant see a Pi in there ! 25252 +---+ |Filename: NAD M50.2.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25252| +---+ *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezeLiteX,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: Latest Nightly on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6.5.0U1 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud/Spotty/Player Groups *Remotes:* iPeng9/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite/SqueezeLiteX *Music:* 522GB,1660 albums with 23087 songs by 5204 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
Golden Earring wrote: > Don't ask Bill, it's -technical- :rolleyes: > > Dave :cool: Ah, you mean like a Hieronymus Machine: https://josephmax.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/hieronymus_machine_1/ ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ftlight wrote: > So what *is* inside? > > Bill Don't ask Bill, it's -technical- :rolleyes: Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Apesbrain wrote: > If you've seen the inside of the NAD, you'd know it's more than a RPi in > a box. So what *is* inside? Bill ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Just for kicks. A Pi3 with a HifiBerry Dac+ most likely sound the same. For kicks I might connect it to a RavPower powerbank and I have hours of unadulterated perfect sound for over 8 hours. ( now where did I put my snake oil...?) Logitech Media Server 7.9.0 / Arch64 / 'ts-435 mini' (https://www.qnap.com/en/product/model.php?II=189) Living:'Transporter Second Edition (smashing wiki page!)' (https://tinyurl.com/q7ff4xr), 'Touch' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch), 'Denon AVR 1912' (https://tinyurl.com/p44yun7)' + two CM8, two CM1, CMC' (http://www.bowers-wilkins.net/Speakers/Home_Audio/CM_Series) Study:'Classic, Quad 303 + two Quad ESL 57' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?43875-A-SB3-a-Quad-303-and-the-left-hand-ESL) Kitchen:'piCorePlayer/Hifiberry DAC+ pro' (https://www.hifiberry.com/products/dacplus/), 'Kanto YU2' (http://www.kantoliving.com/product/yu2/) 'last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/th00ht), 'SoS, ' (https://tinyurl.com/pbzsf8l)'EAC' (http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/) th00ht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15656 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
The problems with this kind of devices are - whether you sell it for 400 or 3000, you wont probable sell many more - in fact you might sell less because audiophiles wont find it credible (too cheap) - if you sell for 400, you dont make enough money to survive - and at the end, people spend huge amount of money for clothes which quite often are a small piece of fabric, so why not for a players whos looks you like Though I still agree that the claim of the magical quality features they bring and how much sound is improved is very disturbing and fraudulent ... well once I saw people buying audiophile power cable a few years ago, knowing that you might have 10s of meters of normal cable before reaching your plug I lost faith in human intelligence LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
Apesbrain wrote: > If you've seen the inside of the NAD, you'd know it's more than a RPi in > a box. For some reason, I find that weirdly comforting. I guess I'm happy that that they aren't quite THAT dishonest. Apesbrain wrote: > What they were thinking offering -any- gear at that price point is > beyond me, but it seems they know that now. It probably bugs me more than normal people because I like DTS and AC-3. So I'd just be using the plain old digital out, completely bypassing any of the alleged super wonderful improvements. atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
If you've seen the inside of the NAD, you'd know it's more than a RPi in a box. What they were thinking offering -any- gear at that price point is beyond me, but it seems they know that now. The Bryston BDP-Pi is another matter, but at least they don't try to conceal it! [image: https://www.hifitest.de/images/testbilder/thumb_slider/bryston-bdp-pi-musikserver-40268.jpg] I have no problem with this if the price is fair. At $1,300 -- when I can build a functionally equivalent piece for $150 plus an hour of my time -- the BDP-Pi is borderline. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Percival Sweetwater wrote: > "The RS-232 and IR Input allow integration with home automation systems > as well." > > Hmm, RS-232. That's pretty state of the art! In fact that does make sense. It's highly unlikely some nodding audiophile will want to update his home automation system because the player can't connect to it, especially given that the demographic for audiophiles having invested in extensive home automation and wanting to integrate their music system into it must be a group of rather advanced age ... Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004 + TMA Premium 905 + TMA Premium 901 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 + BK Monolith+ FF + Lenovo T460 + Kodi + Pioneer PDP-LX5090H Workshop: iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated) Wherever needed: Acer Iconia Tab A700 + Squeezeplayer Kitchen: iPhone 5s + iPeng (local playback activated) + NAD 312 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 Headphone (cozy corner): Lenovo T550 + Squeezelite-X + Cyrus Soundkey + Topping A30 + Focal Elear Car: TBC ... bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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"The RS-232 and IR Input allow integration with home automation systems as well." Hmm, RS-232. That's pretty state of the art! Percival Sweetwater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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atrocity wrote: > Would I be completely nuts to be suspicious that someone may have put a > Pi in $3900 case? Ya think? No wait, that would never happen in such a well respected field like high end audio. ;) (only kidding - of course you are most definitely NOT crazy) Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NAM502 "The hardware of the M50.2 includes the latest generation of low power, super high performance ARM processors. These have more computing power than a PC from just a few years ago, yet rthey un cool and do not require noisy fans." Would I be completely nuts to be suspicious that someone may have put a Pi in $3900 case? atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
