[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
chinablues;158566 Wrote: Is the Denon 3805 such a weak link in this set-up? ie keep the Denon as the pre-amp add something like the Rotel 1095? Well, maybe not weak, but I'd say you certainly can do better. I opted for the RB1090 as my focus was on the stereo part, and I figured the Denon could take care of all the surround channels. And it makes a nice difference! The 1090 is in much better control of the BWs. I really like the sound, and I can play really loud without it getting unbearable :-) That's when I'm home alone though! Of course, I'd like to add a 1075 or 1095 for the surround, but at the moment I simply think that's not worth it for me. Maybe a mono Rotel amp just for the center channel, that would be nice, so all front channels are equal, rotel-bw. I don't think it matters much for the surround channels (sr/sr/sbl/srb) though, the Denon is fine for those. I'm really happy with the big Rotel. As they always say, for you it depends on what you're looking for. Are you happy with the surround, but do you want to optimize your stereo sound? Then adding a stereo power amp is great. You'll be able to put some more money in the stereo part then. If it's important for you to optimize all channels, then maybe the 1095 would be cool (or 1080/1095 for 7-channel!). If you have too much money, listen to the Classe amps, they are s nice :-) jan PS. I just noticed the rb1090 disappeared from the Rotel web site. I did read somewhere that they might be working on a followup. Maybe that's why I could get it for a discount at the clearance center :-) -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
Thanks for the response. The biggest problem for me here in China is finding the stuff. According to Rotel web site, the nearest dealer is in Hong Knog. I'll check the BW dealer here as BW seem to have some link up with Rotel. Certainly at 75lbs, it would be kinda tough to carry back to mainland China as hand baggage! -- chinablues chinablues's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
jmourik;158614 Wrote: PS. I just noticed the rb1090 disappeared from the Rotel web site. I did read somewhere that they might be working on a followup. Maybe that's why I could get it for a discount at the clearance center :-) Rotel is heavily into the class D technology at moment. -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
I added a Rotel RB1090 to power the BW speakers. Sounds quite nice. Though I must admit that the Classe amp sounded even better, but that one was more than twice as expensive :-) -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
jmourik;158294 Wrote: I added a Rotel RB1090 to power the BW speakers. Sounds quite nice. Though I must admit that the Classe amp sounded even better, but that one was more than twice as expensive :-) Congratulations. Welcome to the Rotel club. Just a few questions. Are you using the Denon as a pre-amp? Should be interesting to compare that to the Rotel RC-1070 pre-amp. Have you decided on the SB3 or transporter yet? -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
jmourik;158294 Wrote: I added a Rotel RB1090 to power the BW speakers. Sounds quite nice. Though I must admit that the Classe amp sounded even better, but that one was more than twice as expensive :-) One of the problems of revealing speakers is that they really do respond to the $$$ that you spend further up the chain... Welcome to audiophilia :) I would recommend that you get something considerably better than a stock SB3 for that system - you'll need to mod and/or DAC it, or get a Transporter. Have fun! Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
The 803s are nice speakers. They certainly look nice, too. jmourik;144243 Wrote: Well, I did :-) I really like them, went to listen to them yesterday and bought a pair today. Also listened to some other speakers, vandersteen model 2 and 3, Linn, McIntosh. Didn't like them as much as I did the BW, the sound of the 803 just makes me want to listen to music... Now I'll have to ponder the next step! Thanks for all the advice, guys! -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
Here is an unortodox upgrade: Take a music appreciation class, learn a bit about theory etc. the most revealing sytem is the brain knowing what to hear(look) for Pretty cheap upgrade too:-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
tomsi42;158301 Wrote: Congratulations. Welcome to the Rotel club.Thank you :-) tomsi42;158301 Wrote: Are you using the Denon as a pre-amp? Should be interesting to compare that to the Rotel RC-1070 pre-amp.Yes, Denon is pre-amp and used for the surround channels. I did actually hear a Rotel stereo pre-amp and a cd player, the RCD-1072. I liked the Rotel cd player better than the SB2. The SB2 almost sounded muddy compared to the Rotel. tomsi42;158301 Wrote: Have you decided on the SB3 or transporter yet?Nope, not yet. Well, not the SB3, I don't think that will be an upgrade really compared to the SB2. I'm hoping the SB4 will have the TP dac, I don't need all the fancy TP stuff really, just the nice layout and dac :-) I guess, realistically, I'll have to go for the TP... jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
Interesting thread for me. Thanks to all the contributors. I have BW 804 mains center + BW 805 rears for the AV part. Also a Velodyne DD15 sub. Just added a Transporter. But running it all off a Denon 3805 AVR. For TP into the 3805 I normally run in 'pure stereo' mode. I first heard the BW's at a specialist BW dealer here in Beijing. At that time I was travelling monthly from the US to China. Of course the BW's in the dealership were being driven by big amps. Rotel I think. I'll need to go back for a look. Quite an interesting shopping mall(Oriental Plaza)...bose upstairs, BW downstairs! I bought the equipment in the US before coming out to China on assignment. The BW's appealed not only the sound and the looks, but also being British allowed a little bit of patriotism to creep into the purchasing decision. Although I'm pleased with what I've got, reading the postings it really looks like I need to be thinking of audio amps to drive the two front 804s. Certainly, if my memory serves me right, what I heard at the dealer, was that bit better than what I have at home. Appreciate any comments on this. Is the Denon 3805 such a weak link in this set-up? Dan -- chinablues chinablues's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
highdudgeon;143651 Wrote: Don't get hung up on BW's. Well, I did :-) I really like them, went to listen to them yesterday and bought a pair today. Also listened to some other speakers, vandersteen model 2 and 3, Linn, McIntosh. Didn't like them as much as I did the BW, the sound of the 803 just makes me want to listen to music... Now I'll have to ponder the next step! Thanks for all the advice, guys! -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
I always forget the model number! I checked and they are model 753. Ideally, I'd like to hear them next to the bw 803s, to really judge the difference... Thanks all for your input! jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
Don't get hung up on BW's. Except for the top of the line -- and even then -- there are better, more neutral speakers for the same or less money. Adamslim's advice is good: find a system you and work toward that. Meanwhile, recognize that the greatest variable, by far, are your speakers. Look at Dali, Harbeth, Quad, and Gradient for speakers with superb linearity. They are all within your price range. At the appropriate price point, and especially used, they will blow away BW. They all have different characters. There are others, too. Anyway, that's the thing -- keep the electronics you have and upgrade your main speakers. Deal with your room, if you can. THEN start looking at electronics. Source first, then amplifier (why? Please, no one flame me, but the fact is that most high-end solid state amplifiers really are about as good as it gets and the differences are nuanced; not so with speakers!) jmourik;143648 Wrote: I always forget the model number! I checked and they are model 753. Ideally, I'd like to hear them next to the bw 803s, to really judge the difference... Thanks all for your input! jan -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
highdudgeon;143651 Wrote: Look at Dali, Harbeth, Quad, and Gradient for speakers with superb linearity. Although to calm him down again, I agree that you could do a lot worse than any of these :D -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
mkozlows;143115 Wrote: The speakers will completely overwhelm any other differences you might have. I say, find a pair of speakers you like, get them, and then find stuff that works well with those speakers. I agree that the speakers have the most character, in most systems, but still reiterate my main post: find a system that you really like. Please ignore totally what you currently have and how sane any upgrade path may seem before you start - that's just a detail. Get to a dealer, and I recommend you to try several, as a SET-loving dealer is unlikely to stock heavyweight Krells, and vice versa. Play music you like and settle on a system that you would really like to own and listen to daily. Once you know your true path (Grasshopper), you can start to work out the detail of how you're actually going to get there with the system you currently have and the spare cash you can hide from the wife. But make sure you have a goal, or all you'll do is upgrade for ever. In terms of your specific dilemma, I suspect you may be proposing a slightly mismatched system. A $2k multichannel amp is unlikely to be an ideal match with a $5k serious speaker, and the fact that you can't audition it also gives me cause for concern. I know the BWs and know that they respond well to very serious amps - I last heard them with huge Chords, and they sounded great (although the system was not the way I'd spend that much cash!) - so be careful. However, I am not familiar with these amps. Given how much you seem willing to spend, you should be able to get a really wonderful system. The last thing you want to do is buy an amp then spend loads on huge speakers and then be unhappy until you've spent several times that on the amp you need to drive them to your satisfaction! HTH Adam -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
jmourik;142658 Wrote: I'm looking into upgrading my system, but don't know where to start... Current system: - Denon AVR-4800 - Mission 776 speakers, BW center and surround speakers - SB2 - Toshiba dvd player Considering: - Outlaw (990 or 970) + 7125? or 1070??? - Maybe new front speakers, like BW 803s? - SB3 or Transporter? - Oppo 971 dvd player Which part would make the biggest difference, I wonder... Thoughts, suggestions, alternatives? Flame away :-) jan Have you started with the most important things? In my opinion the most important contributions to good sound are contact treatment and sorting out the layout of the wiring. I spent lots of money on upgrades before realizing that deteriating contacts and hooking up too much stuff to the amps were killing the sound. (Each upgrade normally leads to mucking about with the contacts, which gives a cleaning effect, and removing som stuff, at least while evaluating.) -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
I wouldn't consider the SB3 an upgrade if you already have an SB2. Also, the DAC in the Transporter wouldn't make a difference when run through the Denon, unless in 2 channel bypass mode. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
Yes, didn't make that clear, the sb2 is really in my bedroom, but I move it to my main system on occasion. Which is too much hassle, so I want an sb3 or transporter.I haven't done any contact cleaning, no. Or fancy cabling... jan ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
jmourik;142658 Wrote: - Denon AVR-4800 - Mission 776 speakers, BW center and surround speakers - SB2 - Toshiba dvd player Were I in your situation, I would separate the audio from the AV - that's my angle: I use a stereo system with an 8' projector :) So that would involve getting a proper audio amplifier, plugging the SB2 and the pre-outs of the Denon into it, and then you have an audio system. I imagine that AV amps might sound better than they did 2-3 years ago when I last heard one, but they would need to (I welcome comments from others on this). The last ones I heard were terrible, but in mitigation the Denons were the best! I can't comment on your speakers - I thought the Mission 776 was a battery powered preamp now 20-odd years old; rather nice as I remember! -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
Is there an amp you can plug more than one thing into? (SB + pre-outs of an HT system's L/R, for instance) -- joncourage joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
joncourage;142824 Wrote: Is there an amp you can plug more than one thing into? (SB + pre-outs of an HT system's L/R, for instance) I would probably suggest an integrated, as the volume might be useful with the SB2. Although I have not yet tried to determine the sonic impact of the digital volume control, others have. What I have done is plug a CD player with a volume control into an enormous (about three cubic feet) Musical Fidelity power amp and had about 300W pumped into the speakers at full volume. The speakers (huge Tannoys) survived, although my ears suffered for a while! Adam -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
Good reminder about the vol control on the SB. Thanks. -- joncourage joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
jmourik;142658 Wrote: I'm looking into upgrading my system, but don't know where to start... Current system: - Denon AVR-4800 - Mission 776 speakers, BW center and surround speakers - SB2 - Toshiba dvd player Interesting... I have a very similar set up. Denon AVR-4802 and Mission 780's. I have a lot of money invested in the Denon and am fairly happy with it, but think I may swap out the speakers... For some reason (I swear I don't listen that loud!) I keep blowing out woofers on my Mission 78C center channel. Given the current state of Mission and it becoming increasingly difficult to find quality replacements it's probably my next target. I might just replace all the speakers when I do that as I need new surrounds anyway because the buyer of my old place insisted that they be included as they were attached' to the wall (lame). I'm curious to see what you go with. -Greg -- GoCubs GoCubs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
I guess the question is what are you trying to acomplish and at what $$$ Everything you have and I'm not trying to be rude is pretty mid fi ( except the Denon which is a good home theater receiver , but not a great sounding amplifier) if I was trying to redo the system I'd start with auditioning better speakers. After that find electronics that will drive them right, then cables and power line conditioning. Of course the other question is are you looking to do a good audio system, a good home theater system are both in one.. which is harder and more expensive to do. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
i'm trying to go from mid fi to mid + fi. this system will be used for both stereo and home theater. from the components i'm considering you can see how much i'm willing to pay! thanks for the suggestions! On 10/4/06, ErikM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the question is what are you trying to acomplish and at what $$$ Everything you have and I'm not trying to be rude is pretty mid fi ( except the Denon which is a good home theater receiver , but not a great sounding amplifier) if I was trying to redo the system I'd start with auditioning better speakers. After that find electronics that will drive them right, then cables and power line conditioning. Of course the other question is are you looking to do a good audio system, a good home theater system are both in one.. which is harder and more expensive to do. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
Start with the speakers! ( front mains first) Lots of good ones.. Vandersteen, Proac, BW, Thiel, Focal, Dynaudio.. Just to name a few.. Once you find the ones you love add electronics that compliment them, not just drive them. Then source, then cables, and powerline conditioning. The trick to a great sounding system is balance, synergy between components, and listening. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
Audio reproduction is only as good as its weakest link, so deciding what to upgrade depends on which component is most limiting your current system. In my own systems over the decades, speaker upgrades have made the most obvious improvements. The magnitude of difference between various speakers seems to be much greater than the difference between other components. And without excellent speakers, you may not be able to notice the more subtle improvements produced by upgrading other components. Therefore, I vote for trying out some new BW main speakers. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
jan van mourik;142822 Wrote: Yes, didn't make that clear, the sb2 is really in my bedroom, but I move it to my main system on occasion. Which is too much hassle, so I want an sb3 or transporter. I haven't done any contact cleaning, no. Or fancy cabling... jan No! No fancy cabling! Just sorting out the cabling's LAYOUT and any ground loops. I think it is just as well to forget about equipment updates if you haven't first used a contact cleaner. Buy cheap standard ones instead of expensive audiophile versions. Disconnect as much as possible from the amplifier, clean the contacts and see what the sound is like now. Don't forget the mains power contacts. Sometimes does wonders. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
My advice is the same to anyone: find a complete system that you just fall in love with, and work towards that. If you just audition one component at a time, you will never stop upgrading. There are huge differences between systems, so listen to as many as you can, and you will find one that really works *for you*. This does not have to cost five figures, but will probably cost well into four. Once you have your ultimate, work out a plan as to how you can achieve it in affordable steps. I fell in love with the low-power valve amp high-efficiency speaker sound 'philosophy', as expounded by Living Voice, Audio Note and others, and have moved through budget Audio Innovations amps and Snell speakers to what I have now - all steps were logical, affordable and sounded great. I can't see me upgrading my main system for many years now (except maybe a Transporter...), as it sounds amazing - better than much of what I hear at hi-fi shows, despite being a fraction of the price of many. Adam -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
adamslim;142915 Wrote: My advice is the same to anyone: find a complete system that you just fall in love with, and work towards that. If you just audition one component at a time, you will never stop upgrading. That's kind of my problem... I -think- I want the outlaw 990/7125 + bw 803s, but I can't go to a shop and listen to that combination. Of course I can listen to the 803s, but the outlaw is internet only. So I don't know really where to start. Shall I order the outlaw, and see how it works in my current system, then go for the 803s? Or get a transporter first, then the outlaw, or ... Decisions, decisions... jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What should be the first upgrade?
jmourik;143094 Wrote: That's kind of my problem... I -think- I want the outlaw 990/7125 + bw 803s, but I can't go to a shop and listen to that combination. Of course I can listen to the 803s, but the outlaw is internet only. So I don't know really where to start. Shall I order the outlaw, and see how it works in my current system, then go for the 803s? Or get a transporter first, then the outlaw, or ... Decisions, decisions... The speakers will completely overwhelm any other differences you might have. I say, find a pair of speakers you like, get them, and then find stuff that works well with those speakers. -- mkozlows mkozlows's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
