Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
When I close my eyes the speakers disappear. Not just visually (lol) but audibly. Having my eyes open messes all things up. I start thinking the sound image isn't centered because my room isn't perfectly symmetrical around my bay window. I'm slowly getting my pumpkin trained to ignore my eyes. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
In my experience, the answer to the question (Should one hear sound directly from the speakers) is that it depends on the recording. Also of relevance, I have found any loudspeaker will tend to image better in a bigger room. Regards, Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
When sitting in the sweet spot my speakers are not heard until the recording itself positions something directly there. So if you have recordings that don´t sound like content coming from the speakers on one system but it does on another system it is strange. Maybe the bigger speakers simply are a big part of the view the music stage should be and therefore the brain combines it differently? I listened some Avantgarde Trio sometimes and these are of cause huge but sitting in the sweet spot makes everything playing from everywhere but not the speakers themself. I also can see on good recordings into the scene with wide opened eyes and spot things more easily as with closed eyes :) Must be me getting mad slowly... -- Wombat Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
I often read reviews that claim speakers disappeared in the room. My interpretation is that they couldn't tell the sound were directly from the speakers. I'd like to hear comments on this subject. On my main system, I can hear sound directly from the speakers. The center image is very clear for vocal music. With classical music like Nutcracker, I can also place various instruments. It is just I can also hear sound from the speakers. On my 2nd system, I rarely hear sound from the speakers. The sound stage is in between the two speakers. Both systems can play 180 degrees sound with music tracks using QSound technology. I can hear sound 90 degrees from my right and 90 degrees from my left, which is the way it was designed to do. -- vett93 Main system: Source: Transporter, modded by ModWright: http://www.modwright.com/modifications/transporter-truth-mods.php Preamp: Dude from Tube Research Labs: http://www.tuberesearchlabs.com/products/dude.html Amp: NP100 Platinum from AltaVista Audio: http://www.altavistaaudio.com/np100.html Speakers: Alto Utopia Be from Focal-JMLab: http://www.ultraaudio.com/equipment/focal_jmlab_alto_utopia.htm vett93's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13301 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
I had a pair of BW 601's and they were superb little speakers and I had much the same experience as you. It wasn't until I changed to Magnepan MMG's and then Quad ESL63's that I could get them to entirely disappear it depends on the recording as to where the instruments are placed. YMMV -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
quote/ I'd like to hear comments on this subject. unquote/ At 17 K a pair they should do more than just disappear -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purfek! 1 Logitech Radio + remote - purfek! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
vett93;688468 Wrote: I often read reviews that claim speakers disappeared in the room. My interpretation is that they couldn't tell the sound were directly from the speakers. I'd like to hear comments on this subject. On my main system, I can hear sound directly from the speakers. The center image is very clear for vocal music. With classical music like Nutcracker, I can also place various instruments. It is just I can also hear sound from the speakers. On my 2nd system, I rarely hear sound from the speakers. The sound stage is in between the two speakers. Both systems can play 180 degrees sound with music tracks using QSound technology. I can hear sound 90 degrees from my right and 90 degrees from my left, which is the way it was designed to do. You have something else playing? Most of this is based-on dispersion and the distance from you to the speaker and the speaker from the side and back walls. I'm not directly involved with QSound and I really hope you are not here to sell it. The interactions of speakers and their environment is complicated enough without juju. p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
My question is: should one hear sound directly from speakers? Or should the speakers disappear as some reviewers put it? I am not sure that speakers should disappear with the right setup. I use a test CD from Chesky Records and there is a track to caliberate audio images. It seems to suggest that one can hear sound from the left or right speaker if the recording is just that. So if that is the case, why should speakers disappear? For the record, I work in telecom/networking industry. I don't work for QSound nor Chesky Records. -- vett93 Main system: Source: Transporter, modded by ModWright: http://www.modwright.com/modifications/transporter-truth-mods.php Preamp: Dude from Tube Research Labs: http://www.tuberesearchlabs.com/products/dude.html Amp: NP100 Platinum from AltaVista Audio: http://www.altavistaaudio.com/np100.html Speakers: Alto Utopia Be from Focal-JMLab: http://www.ultraaudio.com/equipment/focal_jmlab_alto_utopia.htm vett93's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13301 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
Geez, this is such a subjective area! For instance the alarm clock on Dark Side of the Moon always startles me even though I know it's coming. ELO's Wild West hero always gives me goosebumps. I guess I tend to get somewhat lost in the music rather than paying attention to where it's coming from. Does this mean the 60's were too good to me? ;-) -- w3wilkes 2 Duets - 1 for upstairs and 1 for downstairs w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
mashley;688473 Wrote: Try putting your main speakers in your second system in the same position to see how that sounds, you will probably find room placement is what's going on here. +1 To close to side walls or stuff inbetween the speakers ? If you have you hifi rack between try to have the speakers protrude further out in the room than the hifi ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
In my setup I find I only hear the speakers if they're toed-in too far i.e. the tweeters are both pointing directly to where your head would be in your listening position. In my setup it makes the soundstage quite narrow with a lot of stuff coming from the speakers rather than being placed in the soundstage. The way my speakers are toed-in at present they create a wide soundstage and as long as I'm on-axis where I'm seated neither speaker is discernible. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
To answer the original question... it depends entirely on what the speaker designer was aiming to achieve. There is no right or wrong here; some speakers are designed to try and offer pinpoint imaging, others aim for a more diffuse soundfield. Some are just odd (Bose, Sonabs, Linn 'Bariks etc) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
