Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
TiredLegs;203187 Wrote: Hard disk space is dirt cheap these days. Just bought a 500GB drive for $100. That's $0.20 per gigabyte. My 387 CDs ripped to WAV take up a total of 197GB. The only downsides to WAV are the lack of tagging, and possible bandwidth constraints if you're running wireless. Slimserver can accurately parse my filenames (Artist-Album-Tracknumber-TrackTitle.wav) to create its database, and I'm running my two SB3s hard wired. I'm stumped why people seem so concerned about compression. Tagging is the issue for me - I use multiple tags per field, which would not be possible with wav. A lesser issue is the noise - I've just had to add a second HD to bring me up to 900GB, and I can handle two Spinpoints to cover that. However, if I had three HDs, it would be getting noisy. The ~50% file size reduction with FLAC is handy. Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
TiredLegs;203187 Wrote: I'm stumped why people seem so concerned about compression. Well, if you can, and it's easy (it is) then why not? Although disc space is cheap, it's not free, and you start to run into major expenses once you get above 500 GB - you need expensive 750 GB or 1 TB drives or RAID. Also in regards to tagging, I've seen more than a few WAV users on the forum who suddenly ran into strange library problems and were left up the creek due to the limited options and relative inflexibility. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
seanadams;202839 Wrote: I think you are still under the misconception that 96KHz is supposed to work on SB3. Though technically correct, it seems kind of silly to call it a known issue when it isn't supposed to. What actually is the reason for the lack of 24/96 support on the SB3? I think the DAC can handle it, so is there something else? Now that 24/96 downloads are becoming easier to find, it would be useful... Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
egd;202499 Wrote: quoting from What HiFi planet are we on?: page 80 -Sound Advice : Quality vs file-size conundrum-- *Apple Lossless is the best-quality widely compatible format* What is their definition of widely compatible? None of the lossless codecs are universally playable. At the risk of having my audiophile epaulets torn from my jacket, I'd be tempted to suggest that the best quality widely compatible format you can get these days is 320kbs CBR MP3. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
IMHO the best quality widely compatible format you can get is WAV... ...provided I'm not the one paying for the disc space! :) -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
AndyC_772;202585 Wrote: IMHO the best quality widely compatible format you can get is WAV... Yes, good point. I'd forgotten about uncompressed formats. As a matter of interest, do all devices actually support WAV? -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
DennyL;202634 Wrote: Of the UK hi-fi mags, What Hi-Fi is by far the worst. I don't know how hi-fi marketing works, but I had always assumed that this mag has always seen its role as a provider of hype that can be quoted in advertisements. I have never been able to take anything about it seriously. It isn't even funny, and has no use. Like I sad, next time I'm going long-haul I'll grab a comic, it's bound to be more informative. Are there *ANY* decent hifi publications still in existence? -- egd Transporter SCA2 SCM100SLAT via balanced XLR Linux and loving IT! egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
egd;202639 Wrote: Are there *ANY* decent hifi publications still in existence? I subscribe to Hi-Fi World and enjoy it. -- DennyL DennyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
Any lossless compressed format is fine. You just need to pick the one that works for your equipment the best. Personally I think some of the commercial formats (that use commercial tools) do a more consistent job at tags and artwork. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
yes itunes and media player do a much better job of tags and artwork and are so easy to use... but they don't have that secure mode which is why we all flagellate ourselves like medival monks with EAC and dbpoweramp to flac :-) -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
opaqueice;202657 Wrote: You didn't read very carefully... I was wondering how to point that out without offending ;-) -- egd Transporter SCA2 SCM100SLAT via balanced XLR Linux and loving IT! egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
willyhoops;202704 Wrote: but they don't have that secure mode which is why we all flagellate ourselves like medival monks with EAC and dbpoweramp to flac :-) AFAIK dbpoweramp now incorporates secure mode ripping as well as allmusic integration for tagging. -- egd Transporter SCA2 SCM100SLAT via balanced XLR Linux and loving IT! egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
cliveb;202579 Wrote: At the risk of having my audiophile epaulets torn from my jacket, I'd be tempted to suggest that the best quality widely compatible format you can get these days is 320kbs CBR MP3. ROFL! This reminds me of the beginning of the old TV show *'\Branded\' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKmJPnAGUJk)*! -- andy_c andy_c's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
seanadams;202536 Wrote: This is the problem sometimes with responding to every customer feature request. SB3 does not support 96Khz playback. Just for the record, my comment was NOT meant to be a critical of the SB3, simply to point out that you might be misled by a problem in hardware or software, and that just because a file format is lossless you can't assume it's handled properly. I used a known issue with the SB3 as an example, because some on this forum are familiar with it. -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
DCtoDaylight;202822 Wrote: Just for the record, my comment was NOT meant to be a critical of the SB3, simply to point out that you might be misled by a problem in hardware or software, and that just because a file format is lossless you can't assume it's handled properly. OK, so by the same token, I can't say that vorbis sounds as good as mp3, because vorbis doesn't sound good on my ipod. And I can't say that CD sounds as good as DAT, because if I shove a CD in a DAT player it won't sound very good... due to a hardware problem, it is not supported properly. :) I used a known issue with the SB3 as an example, because some on this forum are familiar with it. I think you are still under the misconception that 96KHz is supposed to work on SB3. Though technically correct, it seems kind of silly to call it a known issue when it isn't supposed to. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
Quotes from the June 2007 edition: pages 65 66 -HI-FI Sound From Your Laptop-- #8230;the most effective compromise is to rip all your music to iTunes using the Apple lossless format: it sounds significantly better than any lossy compressions, yet is not as slow and hard-drive devouring as the uncompressed file. *It#8217;s a good all-round compromise and one that with the right speakers can sound genuinely impressive*. The Apple Lossless of Ibrahim Ferrer's Dos Almas sounds stunningly open, detailed and full bodied: *a remarkable sound for a file using any compression at all* page 80 -Sound Advice : Quality vs file-size conundrum-- *Apple Lossless is the best-quality widely compatible format*#8230; What planet are these guys on? These statements amount to nothing more than a load of uninformed rubbish! If their so called experts had understood or bothered to research the topic properly they would have 1) realized there is no compromise in lossless audio compression, and 2) there is no difference in quality of lossless compression regardless of the encoding/compression algorithm. Funny also that FLAC isn't even mentioned - are these guys living under a rock, endorsed by Apple? Clearly, this is a magazine not intended for anyone capable of thinking for themselves, I'd even go so far as to label those articles irresponsible journalism. -- egd Transporter SCA2 SCM100SLAT via balanced XLR Linux and loving IT! egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
Hmm - posting on a audiophile forum, senior member... and yet you're surprised by crap audio journalism? Something isn't right. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
egd;202499 Wrote: Clearly, this is a magazine not intended for anyone capable of thinking for themselves You took quite a long post to get there... ;) Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
adamslim;202509 Wrote: You took quite a long post to get there... ;) Adam Clearly, however, I couldn't resist quoting some of the crap they extol. Their observations are so ludicrous they had me laughing. Next time I'm on a long haul flight I'll pick up a comic, it's bound to me more accurate and informative. -- egd Transporter SCA2 SCM100SLAT via balanced XLR Linux and loving IT! egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
