Re: [aur-general] AUR webpage

2009-07-02 Thread hollunder
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:10:28 -0400
Ronuk Raval ronuk.ra...@gmail.com wrote:

 On July 2, 2009 12:06:24 am nathan owe. wrote:
  well maybe a quick edit, l,ike u miss-typed something and it doesn't
  change the md5sums
 If you mistyped something and it compiled fine when you checked it
 with makepkg, then clearly the change is just going to be cosmetic.
 Personally, I don't think that someone needs to go through all the
 trouble of adding an editor for the off chance that someone needs to
 make a cosmetic change.
 
 Also, someone also brought up the point that it would just be a text
 edit, and not a _real_ editor by any stretch of the imagination. You
 can pry my vim from my cold dead hands.

I agree that it would only be good for cosmetic changes, add the
possible problems and it would be more harm than good.


Re: [aur-general] dmraid 1.0.0-rc15

2009-07-02 Thread Hvannentir
Hi
I have tested the testing package, and it does not work.
Same problem as dmraid rc14 with jmicron : whitespaces in devices name (
jmicronRAID0p1 )
So back to my own package of dmraid rc15. As soon as I get back my install
running - I still have to remake initram with my working dmraid ( yeah yeah
I should not test here ... :) ) - I will send you my pkgbuild if you want.

2009/7/2 Antoine Noal antoine.n...@gmail.com

 Hi
 I have tested the testing package, and it does not work.
 Same problem as dmraid rc14 with jmicron : whitespaces in devices name (
 jmicronRAID0p1 )
 So back to my own package of dmraid rc15. As soon as I get back my install
 running - I still have to remake initram with my working dmraid ( yeah yeah
 I should not test here ... :) ) - I will send you my pkgbuild if you want.

 2009/6/21 Tobias Powalowski t.p...@gmx.de

 Am Donnerstag 04 Juni 2009 schrieb Hvannentir:
  Additional p ? What do you mean ?
 
  2009/6/4 Tobias Powalowski t.p...@gmx.de
 
   Am Donnerstag 04 Juni 2009 schrieb Hvannentir:
Ok then so I can tell you that on arch64 with a jmicron chipset it's
working fine.
I'll send you all the needed info you want later, I'm not on my box
 now
  
   but
  
I haven't applied any extra patchs.
   
2009/6/4 Tobias Powalowski t.p...@gmx.de
   
 Am Donnerstag 04 Juni 2009 schrieb Hvannentir:
  Hi
 
  I flagged out of date dmraid quite some time ago because I had
 to
  
   build
  
 my

  own package for dmraid rc15.
 
  Indeed, in order to make my software raid work with a Jmicron
  
   chipset,
  
  an important fix was necessary.
  ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219058 )
 
  Why the package is still oudated ?

 I'm looknig for dmraid users, i can't test it, last time i bumped
 it
 to .15 and a lot of dmraid users had broken machines.
 We can do again a testrun if it works now better with some patches
 from redhat.


 --
 Tobias Powalowski
 Archlinux Developer  Package Maintainer (tpowa)
 http://www.archlinux.org
 tp...@archlinux.org
  
   Do you need the additional p too?
  
   --
   Tobias Powalowski
   Archlinux Developer  Package Maintainer (tpowa)
   http://www.archlinux.org
   tp...@archlinux.org
 The new dmarid package is in testing, please test and give feedback,
 thanks
 greetings
 tpowa
 --
 Tobias Powalowski
 Archlinux Developer  Package Maintainer (tpowa)
 http://www.archlinux.org
 tp...@archlinux.org





[aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread hollunder
Hi there,
I noticed a while ago that the AUR webinterface doesn't show my name
correctly when the character encoding in the PKGBUILD is utf-8.

Is there a recommended encoding?
iso-8859-1?
Something else?

I'm asking because I'm checking through my 50 PKGBUILD files and want
to avoid issues in future.

Regards,
Philipp


Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread Xavier
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:46 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
 Hi there,
 I noticed a while ago that the AUR webinterface doesn't show my name
 correctly when the character encoding in the PKGBUILD is utf-8.

 Is there a recommended encoding?
 iso-8859-1?
 Something else?

 I'm asking because I'm checking through my 50 PKGBUILD files and want
 to avoid issues in future.


afaik the recommended encoding is utf8.
see for instance : http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9150

Maybe there is a problem with AUR.
I cannot find you there though, so do you mind giving a link to a
problematic pkgbuild?


Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread hollunder
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:08:20 +0200
Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:46 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
  Hi there,
  I noticed a while ago that the AUR webinterface doesn't show my name
  correctly when the character encoding in the PKGBUILD is utf-8.
 
  Is there a recommended encoding?
  iso-8859-1?
  Something else?
 
  I'm asking because I'm checking through my 50 PKGBUILD files and
  want to avoid issues in future.
 
 
 afaik the recommended encoding is utf8.
 see for instance : http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9150
 
 Maybe there is a problem with AUR.
 I cannot find you there though, so do you mind giving a link to a
 problematic pkgbuild?

Here's a link to one of my packages where the PKGBUILD uses utf-8:
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/galan-git/galan-git/PKGBUILD

The first letter is supposed to be a German Umlaut Ü but at least in
firefox it shows the two characters Ü.


Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread Cedric Staniewski
The display of package files is not really a part of the AUR interface
but handled by the web server. It do not send a charset in the header
(Content-Type: text/plain
) which means that the encoding solely depends on the default of the web
browser (which is usually iso-8859-1).


I assume that one can set a default charset in lighttpd which should
probably be done.


Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread Xavier
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:23 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
 On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:08:20 +0200
 Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:46 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
  Hi there,
  I noticed a while ago that the AUR webinterface doesn't show my name
  correctly when the character encoding in the PKGBUILD is utf-8.
 
  Is there a recommended encoding?
  iso-8859-1?
  Something else?
 
  I'm asking because I'm checking through my 50 PKGBUILD files and
  want to avoid issues in future.
 

 afaik the recommended encoding is utf8.
 see for instance : http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9150

 Maybe there is a problem with AUR.
 I cannot find you there though, so do you mind giving a link to a
 problematic pkgbuild?

 Here's a link to one of my packages where the PKGBUILD uses utf-8:
 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/galan-git/galan-git/PKGBUILD

 The first letter is supposed to be a German Umlaut Ü but at least in
 firefox it shows the two characters Ü.


Try : View - Encoding - Auto detect - Universal


Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread Arkham
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Try : View - Encoding - Auto detect - Universal


I have that option set in Firefox and I can display both pkgbuilds fine.

-- 

Rita Rudner http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/rita_rudner.html
- I was a vegetarian until I started leaning toward the sunlight.


Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread hollunder
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:25:40 +0200
Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:23 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
  On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:08:20 +0200
  Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:46 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
   Hi there,
   I noticed a while ago that the AUR webinterface doesn't show my
   name correctly when the character encoding in the PKGBUILD is
   utf-8.
  
   Is there a recommended encoding?
   iso-8859-1?
   Something else?
  
   I'm asking because I'm checking through my 50 PKGBUILD files and
   want to avoid issues in future.
  
 
  afaik the recommended encoding is utf8.
  see for instance : http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9150
 
  Maybe there is a problem with AUR.
  I cannot find you there though, so do you mind giving a link to a
  problematic pkgbuild?
 
  Here's a link to one of my packages where the PKGBUILD uses utf-8:
  http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/galan-git/galan-git/PKGBUILD
 
  The first letter is supposed to be a German Umlaut Ü but at least in
  firefox it shows the two characters Ü.
 
 
 Try : View - Encoding - Auto detect - Universal

Thanks, this works, but:
it was set to utf-8, so this makes me believe that there's still
something wrong somewhere.


Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread Ray Kohler
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:29 AM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:

 On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:25:40 +0200
 Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:23 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
   On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:08:20 +0200
   Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:46 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
Hi there,
I noticed a while ago that the AUR webinterface doesn't show my
name correctly when the character encoding in the PKGBUILD is
utf-8.
   
Is there a recommended encoding?
iso-8859-1?
Something else?
   
I'm asking because I'm checking through my 50 PKGBUILD files and
want to avoid issues in future.
   
  
   afaik the recommended encoding is utf8.
   see for instance : http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9150
  
   Maybe there is a problem with AUR.
   I cannot find you there though, so do you mind giving a link to a
   problematic pkgbuild?
  
   Here's a link to one of my packages where the PKGBUILD uses utf-8:
   http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/galan-git/galan-git/PKGBUILD
  
   The first letter is supposed to be a German Umlaut Ü but at least in
   firefox it shows the two characters Ü.
  
 
  Try : View - Encoding - Auto detect - Universal

 Thanks, this works, but:
 it was set to utf-8, so this makes me believe that there's still
 something wrong somewhere.


The galan-git PKGBUILD looked fine to me without changing anything, but my
dvdwizard one only looked right after setting Auto Detect - Universal.
Weird.


Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread Ray Kohler
I have one: dvdwizard. Look at the contributor's name in the first line. If
I download it, I can fix it, but when I upload it again, it becomes broken
in just the same way. I'm using utf-8 across the board. This only appears to
affect the PKGBUILD viewer - comments are fine.


On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:46 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
  Hi there,
  I noticed a while ago that the AUR webinterface doesn't show my name
  correctly when the character encoding in the PKGBUILD is utf-8.
 
  Is there a recommended encoding?
  iso-8859-1?
  Something else?
 
  I'm asking because I'm checking through my 50 PKGBUILD files and want
  to avoid issues in future.
 

 afaik the recommended encoding is utf8.
 see for instance : http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9150

 Maybe there is a problem with AUR.
 I cannot find you there though, so do you mind giving a link to a
 problematic pkgbuild?



Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread hollunder
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:34:44 -0400
Ray Kohler ataraxia...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:29 AM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
 
  On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:25:40 +0200
  Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:23 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:08:20 +0200
Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:
   
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:46 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:
 Hi there,
 I noticed a while ago that the AUR webinterface doesn't show
 my name correctly when the character encoding in the
 PKGBUILD is utf-8.

 Is there a recommended encoding?
 iso-8859-1?
 Something else?

 I'm asking because I'm checking through my 50 PKGBUILD files
 and want to avoid issues in future.

   
afaik the recommended encoding is utf8.
see for instance : http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9150
   
Maybe there is a problem with AUR.
I cannot find you there though, so do you mind giving a link
to a problematic pkgbuild?
   
Here's a link to one of my packages where the PKGBUILD uses
utf-8:
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/galan-git/galan-git/PKGBUILD
   
The first letter is supposed to be a German Umlaut Ü but at
least in firefox it shows the two characters Ü.
   
  
   Try : View - Encoding - Auto detect - Universal
 
  Thanks, this works, but:
  it was set to utf-8, so this makes me believe that there's still
  something wrong somewhere.
 
 
 The galan-git PKGBUILD looked fine to me without changing anything,
 but my dvdwizard one only looked right after setting Auto Detect -
 Universal. Weird.

On a somewhat related note, I wrote a patch today, and firefox thinks
it's a binary or something and tries to download it instead of showing
me the text: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/acweight/acweight/

What did I do wrong there?
The patch was created using:
diff -u acweight/Makefile Makefile  destdircp.patch


Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread Xavier
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:52 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:

 On a somewhat related note, I wrote a patch today, and firefox thinks
 it's a binary or something and tries to download it instead of showing
 me the text: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/acweight/acweight/

 What did I do wrong there?
 The patch was created using:
 diff -u acweight/Makefile Makefile  destdircp.patch


This is web server (lighttpd) setting again.
It's possible to specify that files with .diff or .patch extension are
actually of type text/plain and not application/octet-stream , but
this was not done.

I am not sure what you can do on the client / web browser side.


Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread Gergely Imreh
2009/7/2 Xavier shinin...@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:52 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote:

 On a somewhat related note, I wrote a patch today, and firefox thinks
 it's a binary or something and tries to download it instead of showing
 me the text: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/acweight/acweight/

 What did I do wrong there?
 The patch was created using:
 diff -u acweight/Makefile Makefile  destdircp.patch


 This is web server (lighttpd) setting again.
 It's possible to specify that files with .diff or .patch extension are
 actually of type text/plain and not application/octet-stream , but
 this was not done.

 I am not sure what you can do on the client / web browser side.


I think it is not just the patch, looking around, e.g. LICENSE files
and everything else beside PKGBUILDs are also shown as
application/octet-stream.

  Greg


Re: [aur-general] Recommended Encoding for PKGBUILDS?

2009-07-02 Thread Thomas Bächler

Xavier schrieb:

This is web server (lighttpd) setting again.
It's possible to specify that files with .diff or .patch extension are
actually of type text/plain and not application/octet-stream , but
this was not done.

I am not sure what you can do on the client / web browser side.



Nothing really. The correct MIME type must be set on the server. There 
is a section for website problems on the tracker, maybe that should be 
posted there.




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Re: [aur-general] Please delete clojure-svn and clojure-contrib-svn

2009-07-02 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 13:17, Sven-Hendrik Haases...@lutzhaase.com wrote:
 Hey,

 Please delete clojure-svn and clojure-contrib-svn as they are both
 orphaned since Clojure switched to GIT. The GIT packages are both up
 already serving as the replacements of the packages I suggest for deletion.


Done


[aur-general] TU Application

2009-07-02 Thread nathan owe.
Well my name is Nathan Owe.  I am applying to be a TU, a person with the 
username Ghost1227 looked at some of my pkgs i have made, and he made 
suggestions on what i should do to improve my PKGBUILDs. well i 
downloaded all my packages and fixed them according to his suggestions. 
I do believe my packages do conform to the guidelines. The reason for 
applying for TU is because i love arch linux and i want to contribute 
back to this great OS. I love that i can contribute the way i am now, 
but i want to try and contribute to the development of AUR more by 
trying to help others as well. I have currently over 60 nearly 70 pkgs 
and still counting. I currently don't have a sponsor. I usually am 
signed into the IRC channel but usually don't talk much due to working 
on packages to contribute. my nickname is ndowens on both IRC and AUR.


Re: [aur-general] TU Application

2009-07-02 Thread Andrea Scarpino
On 03/07/2009, nathan owe. ndowen...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well my name is Nathan Owe.  I am applying to be a TU, a person with the
 username Ghost1227 looked at some of my pkgs i have made, and he made
 suggestions on what i should do to improve my PKGBUILDs. well i
 downloaded all my packages and fixed them according to his suggestions.
 I do believe my packages do conform to the guidelines. The reason for
 applying for TU is because i love arch linux and i want to contribute
 back to this great OS. I love that i can contribute the way i am now,
 but i want to try and contribute to the development of AUR more by
 trying to help others as well. I have currently over 60 nearly 70 pkgs
 and still counting. I currently don't have a sponsor. I usually am
 signed into the IRC channel but usually don't talk much due to working
 on packages to contribute. my nickname is ndowens on both IRC and AUR.

do you know what CRLF means? Or maybe did you remove your enter key
from your keyboard?

-- 
Andrea `bash` Scarpino
Arch Linux Developer


Re: [aur-general] TU Application

2009-07-02 Thread nathan owe.

Andrea Scarpino wrote:

On 03/07/2009, nathan owe. ndowen...@gmail.com wrote:
  

Well my name is Nathan Owe.  I am applying to be a TU, a person with the
username Ghost1227 looked at some of my pkgs i have made, and he made
suggestions on what i should do to improve my PKGBUILDs. well i
downloaded all my packages and fixed them according to his suggestions.
I do believe my packages do conform to the guidelines. The reason for
applying for TU is because i love arch linux and i want to contribute
back to this great OS. I love that i can contribute the way i am now,
but i want to try and contribute to the development of AUR more by
trying to help others as well. I have currently over 60 nearly 70 pkgs
and still counting. I currently don't have a sponsor. I usually am
signed into the IRC channel but usually don't talk much due to working
on packages to contribute. my nickname is ndowens on both IRC and AUR.



do you know what CRLF means? Or maybe did you remove your enter key
from your keyboard?

  

Nah i am just use to typing w/o hitting the enter button much


Re: [aur-general] Requesting orphanage of libssh and hydra

2009-07-02 Thread Abhishek Dasgupta
2009/7/3 SergeantSpoon sergeantsp...@archlinux.us:
 I am interested in taking up maintaining libssh and hydra in the AUR,
 and the current maintainer has been inactive for almost a year. I
 tried contacting him via email but he has not responded, so I can only
 assume that he is no longer interested in maintaining either.

 If a TU could set me as the maintainer or ophan both packages that
 would be great, as I have PKGBUILDS that are completely updated and
 function ready to be uploaded.


Orphaned.
-- 
Abhishek


Re: [aur-general] TU Application

2009-07-02 Thread Allan McRae

nathan owe. wrote:
Well my name is Nathan Owe.  I am applying to be a TU, a person with 
the username Ghost1227 looked at some of my pkgs i have made, and he 
made suggestions on what i should do to improve my PKGBUILDs. well i 
downloaded all my packages and fixed them according to his 
suggestions. I do believe my packages do conform to the guidelines. 
The reason for applying for TU is because i love arch linux and i want 
to contribute back to this great OS. I love that i can contribute the 
way i am now, but i want to try and contribute to the development of 
AUR more by trying to help others as well. I have currently over 60 
nearly 70 pkgs and still counting. I currently don't have a sponsor. I 
usually am signed into the IRC channel but usually don't talk much due 
to working on packages to contribute. my nickname is ndowens on both 
IRC and AUR.





Hi Nathan,

I'm not longer a Trusted User so I do not get a vote in this anymore, 
but knowing how this works I would suggest that your application is 
coming too soon.  In the past month, you have been asking for a lot of 
help doing what I consider fairly easy packaging.  This is not saying 
that asking for help is a bad thing, but rather I think that you need 
more time to learn packaging techniques and get used to fixing problem 
situations. 

When you maintain packages in the [community] repo as a Trusted User, 
you are expected to be able to deal with breakages that occur.  These 
are somewhat frequent in a rolling release distribution as updating a 
package that is in the dependency chain of one of your packages can 
cause your package to stop working properly.  The TUs need to be 
confident that you will be able to handle such breakages (whether they 
need a patch or a simple sed line).


I encourage you to continue learning the packaging system and try to 
become a TU at a later date.  Most TUs had been packaging for half a 
year by the time of their application.  Remember, there is a lot you can 
contribute to Arch without being a TU.  In fact, the only thing TUs can 
do that you can not is put binary packages into the [community] repo.  
I'd suggest looking for bugs on the bug tracker and seeing if you can 
replicate the problem, try to fix it and post the fixed PKGBUILD to the 
bug tracker if you can.  That teaches you how to deal with problems 
while proving your ability to become a Trusted User.  

Also remember that it is not the number of packages you maintain, but 
the quality of those packages.  So try to help out in irc or the forums 
rather then taking another package just because you can.  Packaging only 
software you are genuinely interested in helps keep the motivation going.


Cheers,
Allan





Re: [aur-general] TU Application

2009-07-02 Thread nathan owe.

Allan McRae wrote:

nathan owe. wrote:
Well my name is Nathan Owe.  I am applying to be a TU, a person with 
the username Ghost1227 looked at some of my pkgs i have made, and he 
made suggestions on what i should do to improve my PKGBUILDs. well i 
downloaded all my packages and fixed them according to his 
suggestions. I do believe my packages do conform to the guidelines. 
The reason for applying for TU is because i love arch linux and i 
want to contribute back to this great OS. I love that i can 
contribute the way i am now, but i want to try and contribute to the 
development of AUR more by trying to help others as well. I have 
currently over 60 nearly 70 pkgs and still counting. I currently 
don't have a sponsor. I usually am signed into the IRC channel but 
usually don't talk much due to working on packages to contribute. my 
nickname is ndowens on both IRC and AUR.





Hi Nathan,

I'm not longer a Trusted User so I do not get a vote in this anymore, 
but knowing how this works I would suggest that your application is 
coming too soon.  In the past month, you have been asking for a lot of 
help doing what I consider fairly easy packaging.  This is not saying 
that asking for help is a bad thing, but rather I think that you need 
more time to learn packaging techniques and get used to fixing problem 
situations.
When you maintain packages in the [community] repo as a Trusted User, 
you are expected to be able to deal with breakages that occur.  These 
are somewhat frequent in a rolling release distribution as updating a 
package that is in the dependency chain of one of your packages can 
cause your package to stop working properly.  The TUs need to be 
confident that you will be able to handle such breakages (whether they 
need a patch or a simple sed line).


I encourage you to continue learning the packaging system and try to 
become a TU at a later date.  Most TUs had been packaging for half a 
year by the time of their application.  Remember, there is a lot you 
can contribute to Arch without being a TU.  In fact, the only thing 
TUs can do that you can not is put binary packages into the 
[community] repo.  I'd suggest looking for bugs on the bug tracker and 
seeing if you can replicate the problem, try to fix it and post the 
fixed PKGBUILD to the bug tracker if you can.  That teaches you how to 
deal with problems while proving your ability to become a Trusted User. 
Also remember that it is not the number of packages you maintain, but 
the quality of those packages.  So try to help out in irc or the 
forums rather then taking another package just because you can.  
Packaging only software you are genuinely interested in helps keep the 
motivation going.


Cheers,
Allan



K, thanks for the nice msg and not being smart-a$$ to me. I figured it 
may be too early but i figure'd i'd atleast try