Re: [aur-general] SGE Orphaning

[Manhong Dai via aur-general]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 4:57 PM Manhong Dai  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 4:34 PM Manhong Dai  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 4:05 PM Amin Vakil via aur-general <
>> aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I remember you have said that you use this package on your servers in
>>> university, so why don't you just create a new package with any
>>> modifications you need in PKGBUILD and even make it specified for your
>>> needs if you want to and use it for yourself?
>>
>>
>>> What are you trying to accomplish with being called "maintainer" of sge
>>> package?
>>>
>>> You can post your PKGBUILD on github/gitlab or any other git service
>>> online to track the modifications, being able to download it from
>>> anywhere, ask for other people's opinion, etc.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your suggestions! As I mentioned in my last comment of
>> the package, I already published my work on github.
>> https://github.com/daimh/sge
>>
>> I am also not trying to be a maintainer of the package. If you read my
>> last comment, you can see I am actually fine as long as my name and my
>> patch's copyright is acknowledged in a clear way. Right now, it looks like
>> the current maintainer made those code modification.
>>
>> Actually you raised a very good question. The thing is the current
>> maintainer should answer it. Why does the current maintainer want to become
>> the maintainer while he knows every AUR rule and can easily clone one? And
>> why  don't a TU ask the new maintainer this question?
>>
>> Now I believe it is well known that I was very innocent as I didn't
>> receive any notification and I sent out an email immediately after the
>> package was adopted; It is clear that I am capable enough to add CMake
>> support, make SGE run on four Major Linux distributions and wont make any
>> simple shell script error; And more importantly, I am very responsible for
>> my work as all my published work are tested.
>>
>> It is really up to AUR to see how they handle this mistake caused by
>> their bug.
>>
>> I am fine with whatever decision AUR made. However this is a good case
>> for any new AUR package maintainer in future. After all, unlike most of the
>> guys in this email list, it is not surprising that I have been sleeping in
>> hospital for just two months. At my age, anything could happen. :)
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Manhong
>>
>>
> I just thought it again, and here is my proposal.
>
> The current maintainer keeps the package, but he needs to use my one
> single patch file and add the two lines at the bottom of this email to the
> top of the patch file. I think I am very reasonable. Plus this one patch
> file benefits all Linux distribution administrators.
>
> I am so sorry for 'spamming' other innocent users in this list. But please
> understand me as the first reply of current maintainer is Chinese..
>
>
> Best,
> Manhong
>
>
> Developed by Manhong Dai 
>
> Copyright © 2020 University of Michigan. License GPLv3+
> : GNU GPL version 3 or later
>

Another fun fact just for the record.

The latest bug that the current maintainer just fixed is below. It is as
simple as a wrong location of the double quote, but it will fail the whole
makepkg.
<<<
package() {
"cd ${pkgname}-${pkgver}/source"
>>>
this double quote bug exists in the three commits.
2bc33b5, OCT 18, 02:05
a7bb16b, Oct 13, 20:29
9ee5075, Oct 13 15:01

If today Alad didn't trigger me to test the package again because I
accidentally removed a comment this weekend, I don't know how long this bug
will persist. After all, the current maintainer said "I know that there is
an error in package() when building in clean chroot. I'll fixed that a few
days later".

Best,
Manhong

[aur-general] Away for a bit due to covid related limitations

[Andrzej Giniewicz via aur-general]

Hi all,

I have to declare away time, for the first time since I've started TU
duties. Unfortunately I'm stuck with my work computer for now (Windows
only) and my Arch dev box is at another physical address - which I
have limited access due to the epidemic situation in Poland right now.
I've seen few out of date notifications for my community packages, but
I cannot update them right now, so if someone could update them in my
place for now it would be great. I hope to be back to maintaining my
packages soon.

I cannot sign this message either unfortunately.

Cheers and stay healthy everybody,
Andrzej Giniewicz
(https://www.archlinux.org/people/trusted-users/#aginiewicz)

Re: [aur-general] SGE Orphaning

[Manhong Dai via aur-general]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 4:34 PM Manhong Dai  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 4:05 PM Amin Vakil via aur-general <
> aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I remember you have said that you use this package on your servers in
>> university, so why don't you just create a new package with any
>> modifications you need in PKGBUILD and even make it specified for your
>> needs if you want to and use it for yourself?
>
>
>> What are you trying to accomplish with being called "maintainer" of sge
>> package?
>>
>> You can post your PKGBUILD on github/gitlab or any other git service
>> online to track the modifications, being able to download it from
>> anywhere, ask for other people's opinion, etc.
>>
>
> Thanks a lot for your suggestions! As I mentioned in my last comment of
> the package, I already published my work on github.
> https://github.com/daimh/sge
>
> I am also not trying to be a maintainer of the package. If you read my
> last comment, you can see I am actually fine as long as my name and my
> patch's copyright is acknowledged in a clear way. Right now, it looks like
> the current maintainer made those code modification.
>
> Actually you raised a very good question. The thing is the current
> maintainer should answer it. Why does the current maintainer want to become
> the maintainer while he knows every AUR rule and can easily clone one? And
> why  don't a TU ask the new maintainer this question?
>
> Now I believe it is well known that I was very innocent as I didn't
> receive any notification and I sent out an email immediately after the
> package was adopted; It is clear that I am capable enough to add CMake
> support, make SGE run on four Major Linux distributions and wont make any
> simple shell script error; And more importantly, I am very responsible for
> my work as all my published work are tested.
>
> It is really up to AUR to see how they handle this mistake caused by their
> bug.
>
> I am fine with whatever decision AUR made. However this is a good case for
> any new AUR package maintainer in future. After all, unlike most of the
> guys in this email list, it is not surprising that I have been sleeping in
> hospital for just two months. At my age, anything could happen. :)
>
>
> Best,
> Manhong
>
>
I just thought it again, and here is my proposal.

The current maintainer keeps the package, but he needs to use my one single
patch file and add the two lines at the bottom of this email to the top of
the patch file. I think I am very reasonable. Plus this one patch file
benefits all Linux distribution administrators.

I am so sorry for 'spamming' other innocent users in this list. But please
understand me as the first reply of current maintainer is Chinese..


Best,
Manhong


Developed by Manhong Dai 

Copyright © 2020 University of Michigan. License GPLv3+
: GNU GPL version 3 or later

>

Re: [aur-general] SGE Orphaning

[Manhong Dai via aur-general]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 4:05 PM Amin Vakil via aur-general <
aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote:

> I remember you have said that you use this package on your servers in
> university, so why don't you just create a new package with any
> modifications you need in PKGBUILD and even make it specified for your
> needs if you want to and use it for yourself?


> What are you trying to accomplish with being called "maintainer" of sge
> package?
>
> You can post your PKGBUILD on github/gitlab or any other git service
> online to track the modifications, being able to download it from
> anywhere, ask for other people's opinion, etc.
>

Thanks a lot for your suggestions! As I mentioned in my last comment of the
package, I already published my work on github. https://github.com/daimh/sge

I am also not trying to be a maintainer of the package. If you read my last
comment, you can see I am actually fine as long as my name and my patch's
copyright is acknowledged in a clear way. Right now, it looks like the
current maintainer made those code modification.

Actually you raised a very good question. The thing is the current
maintainer should answer it. Why does the current maintainer want to become
the maintainer while he knows every AUR rule and can easily clone one? And
why  don't a TU ask the new maintainer this question?

Now I believe it is well known that I was very innocent as I didn't receive
any notification and I sent out an email immediately after the package was
adopted; It is clear that I am capable enough to add CMake support, make
SGE run on four Major Linux distributions and wont make any simple shell
script error; And more importantly, I am very responsible for my work as
all my published work are tested.

It is really up to AUR to see how they handle this mistake caused by their
bug.

I am fine with whatever decision AUR made. However this is a good case for
any new AUR package maintainer in future. After all, unlike most of the
guys in this email list, it is not surprising that I have been sleeping in
hospital for just two months. At my age, anything could happen. :)


Best,
Manhong

Re: [aur-general] SGE Orphaning

[Amin Vakil via aur-general]

I remember you have said that you use this package on your servers in
university, so why don't you just create a new package with any
modifications you need in PKGBUILD and even make it specified for your
needs if you want to and use it for yourself?

What are you trying to accomplish with being called "maintainer" of sge
package?

You can post your PKGBUILD on github/gitlab or any other git service
online to track the modifications, being able to download it from
anywhere, ask for other people's opinion, etc.



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Re: [aur-general] SGE Orphaning

[Manhong Dai via aur-general]

On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 20:41 +0200, Iyán Méndez Veiga wrote:
> On Monday, 19 October 2020 20:32:23 CEST Manhong Dai via aur-general
> wrote:
> > I am more than willing to listen to TU, as well as any other users.
> 
> Okay, let's see if that's true and you keep learning. Can you please
> do me 
> (all of us?) a favour and stop spamming in this email list. And yes,
> I find 
> your actitute way offensive. Not only here but also with your
> comments in AUR.
> 
> As you have been told by the SGE (Son of Grid Engine) maintainer, you
> are more 
> than welcome to submit a new sge-daimh or some-grid-engine package to
> AUR with 
> all your modifications/patches from SGE.

I don't think this is spamming. Because I mentioned many facts and
reasons in my last comment at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sge/
But here is some points in case you don't want to read it.

1, My code modification's copyright is not disclaimed, as all my works
belong to University of Michigan.

2, If an AUR maintainer is not required to join this list, and an AUR
web system's bug caused the email problem, I did nothing wrong before
my top-posting. Yes, I am annoying, but I was as innocent as a newborn.
(Well, before my top-posting)

3, Also, here is git diff of the bug fix that the current maintainer
just submitted. He knew 'makepkg' fails, but he publish the file
anyway, and now he modified it because of my Orphaning request.

-   cd "${pkgname}-${pkgver}/source"
+   "cd ${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}/source"

If you feel I am spamming, I am so sorry for your feeling. But I would
think this is helpful for me, the new maintainer and all other AUR
maintainers.


Best,
Manhong


> 
> Best regards,
> Iyán
> 

Re: [aur-general] SGE Orphaning

[Iyán Méndez Veiga]

On Monday, 19 October 2020 20:32:23 CEST Manhong Dai via aur-general wrote:
> I am more than willing to listen to TU, as well as any other users.

Okay, let's see if that's true and you keep learning. Can you please do me 
(all of us?) a favour and stop spamming in this email list. And yes, I find 
your actitute way offensive. Not only here but also with your comments in AUR.

As you have been told by the SGE (Son of Grid Engine) maintainer, you are more 
than welcome to submit a new sge-daimh or some-grid-engine package to AUR with 
all your modifications/patches from SGE.

Best regards,
Iyán

-- 
Iyán Méndez Veiga | Physicist
GPG: 0x422E3694311E5AC1

Re: [aur-general] SGE Orphaning

[Manhong Dai via aur-general]

On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 11:17 -0700, Brett Cornwall wrote:
> On 2020-10-19 12:59, Manhong Dai via aur-general wrote:
> > Dear Trust User,
> > 
> > I submitted an Orphaning request in both comment area and
> > ticket system. Feel free to let me know if there is anything I need
> > to
> > do to follow up.
> > 
> > My email address is da...@umich.edu , just in case I missed
> > any emails.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Manhong
> 
> It's been made clear that you're not willing to listen to TUs and
> would 
> rather engage in what appears to be bordering on harassment with the
> new 
> maintainer. If you had demonstrated a clear attempt to actually 
> understand the responses to your mails in this list then there might 
> have been recourse. As it stands, you're merely digging your own
> grave.

I am more than willing to listen to TU, as well as any other users.

As what you said is all opinion, it is hard for me to reply. But let me
try.

If you referring to that I top-posted before, I already apologized.
Also a fun fact, I have been top-posting in my whole life, and I never
saw a non-top-posting email in the past two decades in USA. Further it
was very hard to read non-top-post emails on phone, at least for me for
now. Or if you think I am harassing the new maintainer, please show me
what words are harassment, I am happy to apologize and modify it. At
least I didn't call anybody "zero knowledge", or "know nothing", etc,
did I?

Please shed some light on  what I or any other AUR maintainers who
didn't register AUR-general should do in this case, before the package
was taken over.

If it is I should always reply comment, that's a very high bar, at
least for me, especially if I see a simple patch file is split into
many small files.

Best,
Manhong

> If the new maintainer wants your help, he'll add you as a co-
> maintainer. 
> If they do not, then leave them be and put your PKGBUILD elsewhere.

Re: [aur-general] SGE Orphaning

[Brett Cornwall via aur-general]

On 2020-10-19 12:59, Manhong Dai via aur-general wrote:

Dear Trust User,

I submitted an Orphaning request in both comment area and
ticket system. Feel free to let me know if there is anything I need to
do to follow up.

My email address is da...@umich.edu , just in case I missed
any emails.

Best,
Manhong


It's been made clear that you're not willing to listen to TUs and would 
rather engage in what appears to be bordering on harassment with the new 
maintainer. If you had demonstrated a clear attempt to actually 
understand the responses to your mails in this list then there might 
have been recourse. As it stands, you're merely digging your own grave.


If the new maintainer wants your help, he'll add you as a co-maintainer. 
If they do not, then leave them be and put your PKGBUILD elsewhere.


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[aur-general] SGE Orphaning

[Manhong Dai via aur-general]

Dear Trust User,

I submitted an Orphaning request in both comment area and
ticket system. Feel free to let me know if there is anything I need to
do to follow up.

My email address is da...@umich.edu , just in case I missed
any emails.

Best,
Manhong

Re: [aur-general] TU application - bastelfreak

[Justin Kromlinger via aur-general]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:48:04 +0200
Morten Linderud  wrote:

> Why did you decide to sponsor Tim? I see some explanations from
> shibumi and Thore, but it would be nice with a few more sentences
> then just a confirmation.

Sure!

Like Christian and Thore I've known Tim for years. Although only via
IRC on freenode#archlinux.de, his general friendliness, support to
users, willingness to learn and continuing displays of contribution to
various FOSS communities earned my trust and respect.

The puppet package collection is in dire need of a maintainer that
actually uses it. Tim being a certified Puppet Fundamentals
Administrator that manages Arch at work with it makes him
perfect for the job in my eyes. Besides that I see future benefits for
the DevOps team since he is a capable Arch SysAdmin.

-- 
hashworks

Webhttps://hashworks.net
Public Key 0x4FE7F4FEAC8EBE67


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Re: [aur-general] TU application - bastelfreak

[Morten Linderud via aur-general]

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 05:43:11PM +0200, Justin Kromlinger via aur-general 
wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:39:41 +0200
> Tim Meusel via aur-general  wrote:
> 
> > I talked to shibumi and hashworks in the past days, both reviewed the
> > packages and agreed to sponsor my application.
> 
> I hereby confirm my sponsorship.

Why did you decide to sponsor Tim? I see some explanations from shibumi and
Thore, but it would be nice with a few more sentences then just a confirmation.

-- 
Morten Linderud
PGP: 9C02FF419FECBE16


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