Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Jakub Klinkovský]

On 09.08.15 at 14:41, Lukas Fleischer wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 at 15:14:14, Jakub Klinkovský wrote:
> > [...]
> > As far as I remember, it was discussed that the old packages from AUR3 will
> > still be available in an archive. Is it the aur-mirror.git [4] or something
> > else? We were thinking to replace the currently broken links to AUR 
> > packages on
> > the wiki with links to the archive to divide the heap of broken links into
> > "obsolete" and "obsolete, but still findable" parts. For this to work, we 
> > need a
> > fixed URL with variable part corresponding to the package name. And for easy
> > maintenance with a bot, we would need a list of packages in the archive for 
> > fast
> > searching, e.g. something like [5]. Is this possible or do you have some 
> > other
> > recommendations?
> > 
> 
> After all, I am not sure whether we should create an official archive
> hosted on aur.archlinux.org or just refer to an "inofficial" archive
> like aur-mirror.git. As Doug already mentioned, I am currently on
> vacation. I will have to think of that (and possibly implement an
> archive) when I am back home. Meanwhile, other opinions are welcome.
> 
> If you plan to redirect broken Arch Wiki links to the archive, please
> make sure that it is obvious that these packages are abandoned. They are
> likely to break or be out-of-date for months.
> 

Thanks, and sorry for the late reply - I have taken a leave of absence as well.

Since the aur-mirror.git stopped synchronizing after the 8th, I think we can
link to its packages directly. As for the list of packages for maintenance, we
can easily generate it from the cloned repo and bundle it along with the scripts
used for automatic synchronization. Since there will be no update to the archive
for a very long time (or ever), this seems like the fastest way to go...

And from the wiki's point of view, this is completely for easier maintenance.
The wording for the template would be something like "obsolete package:
available in aur-mirror" or similar, with an accompanying link.

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Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Giancarlo Razzolini]

Em 11-08-2015 02:58, Oon-Ee Ng escreveu:
> Just to note on this point - some (many?) Arch users would not have
> noticed anything during the migration process as their helpers would
> have continued to get the old PKGBUILDs from aur.archlinux.org during
> the migration process. It is only when aur4 got 'moved' to
> aur.archlinux.org that these users would have noticed anything happen
> (in fact some still won't, depending on their workflow and the
> specific tools they use).

Yes, most users didn't noticed. And probably won't. But, I believe that
a fair share of users was aware of the migration, given the feedback I
received on my own packages during the transition. I'd say about 30-35%.
Perhaps the admins of the site can get some of the statistics of their
analytics and shed some light on this.

>
> I have no opinion in either case, PKGBUILDs aren't THAT difficult to
> write, but felt I had to point this out.

There are some ones, with patches and all sort of changes, that are
harder to write. In those cases it helps to have the PKGBUILD (and
patches) at hand. Again, I'm not against them being somewhere, perhaps
an all in one github repo.

Cheers,
Giancarlo Razzolini

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Oon-Ee Ng]

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Giancarlo Razzolini
 wrote:

> orphan and unmaintained packages anyway. I guess that if all of the Arch
> users didn't needed them in more than the two months that it took to
> migrate AUR3 to AUR4, it is a safe bet to say that there won't be much
> use for them in the near future. And, if there is an unofficial archive,


Just to note on this point - some (many?) Arch users would not have
noticed anything during the migration process as their helpers would
have continued to get the old PKGBUILDs from aur.archlinux.org during
the migration process. It is only when aur4 got 'moved' to
aur.archlinux.org that these users would have noticed anything happen
(in fact some still won't, depending on their workflow and the
specific tools they use).

I have no opinion in either case, PKGBUILDs aren't THAT difficult to
write, but felt I had to point this out.

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Giancarlo Razzolini]

Em 10-08-2015 20:07, Damian Nowak escreveu:
> I can't agree with that. If I search for something next time and it's not in 
> AUR4, I'd go
> to AUR3, get the old PKGBUILD, update it, make sure it works, and then upload 
> to AUR4 so
> others can use it too. Better than writing from scratch.
Well,

In most cases having a PKGBUILD as a starting point surely is nice.
I just think that it shouldn't be an official Archlinux thing. Also,
there were a lot of bad PKGBUILD's that wouldn't serve as a starting
point for anything. The main purpose of the purge was to get rid of
orphan and unmaintained packages anyway. I guess that if all of the Arch
users didn't needed them in more than the two months that it took to
migrate AUR3 to AUR4, it is a safe bet to say that there won't be much
use for them in the near future. And, if there is an unofficial archive,
it's ok. But I think that Archlinux shouldn't spend resources on an
official one.

Cheers,
Giancarlo Razzolini

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Eli Schwartz]

Personally, I took the opportunity to assemble a full history of the
packages I adopted, using the aur-mirror project. I figured, since part of
the purpose in migration was to allow a historical view of packages, it
made sense to include as much of that as I could.

-- Eli Schwartz

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Chris Bell]

On 2015-08-10 19:07, Damian Nowak wrote:
Well, if you need in the future, perhaps you will create a new 
PKGBUILD

then? Relying in unmaintained packaged will most likely give you
trouble.


I can't agree with that. If I search for something next time and it's
not in AUR4, I'd go
to AUR3, get the old PKGBUILD, update it, make sure it works, and then
upload to AUR4 so
others can use it too. Better than writing from scratch.


I agree with this. In fact, this is how I recently 'rescued' a couple
orphaned packages from aur3 before it went offline. I was very grateful
to have a working PKGBUILD to start from. In one case, it wasn't up to
date, but at least I had something to start from.

With that in mind, I think a static, read-only copy of the latest state
of AUR3 would be a valuable resource, at least for a while. It doesn't
_have_ to be permanent, does it? Maybe keep it around for a year or
two?

-- Chris

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Damian Nowak]

> Well, if you need in the future, perhaps you will create a new PKGBUILD
> then? Relying in unmaintained packaged will most likely give you
> trouble.

I can't agree with that. If I search for something next time and it's not in 
AUR4, I'd go
to AUR3, get the old PKGBUILD, update it, make sure it works, and then upload 
to AUR4 so
others can use it too. Better than writing from scratch.

-- 
Damian Nowak
CEO, Virtkick
www.virtkick.com

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Giancarlo Razzolini]

Em 09-08-2015 18:43, Mauro Santos escreveu:
> Caring is relative, you might not care now but next week/month/year you
> may need it and then you care ;)

Well, if you need in the future, perhaps you will create a new PKGBUILD
then? Relying in unmaintained packaged will most likely give you
trouble. I personally think that an official archive isn't needed. It
will only confuse users, and might also give the impression that
Archlinux endorses it's use (not that it endorses AUR, anyway). Have
said that, I had to upload 2 packages to the new AUR because the
original maintainers weren't reachable and didn't uploaded then before
the July 8th deadline. At the moment we have only 23 orphan packages in
AUR. Let's keep things that way.

Cheers,
Giancarlo Razzolini

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Mauro Santos]

On 09-08-2015 22:23, Karol Blazewicz wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Mauro Santos  
> wrote:
>> It would be nice to have an official archive, some packages do not have
>> a maintainer but still work fine
> 
> If you care about them, upload them to aur4, if you don't care, no
> need for an aur archive ;-)
> 

Caring is relative, you might not care now but next week/month/year you
may need it and then you care ;)

-- 
Mauro Santos

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Karol Blazewicz]

On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Mauro Santos  wrote:
> It would be nice to have an official archive, some packages do not have
> a maintainer but still work fine

If you care about them, upload them to aur4, if you don't care, no
need for an aur archive ;-)

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Mauro Santos]

> After all, I am not sure whether we should create an official archive
> hosted on aur.archlinux.org or just refer to an "inofficial" archive
> like aur-mirror.git. As Doug already mentioned, I am currently on
> vacation. I will have to think of that (and possibly implement an
> archive) when I am back home. Meanwhile, other opinions are welcome.
> 
> If you plan to redirect broken Arch Wiki links to the archive, please
> make sure that it is obvious that these packages are abandoned. They are
> likely to break or be out-of-date for months.

It would be nice to have an official archive, some packages do not have
a maintainer but still work fine, and even if they break in the future
it is better to have a "broken" PKGBUILD to start with than have to
start from scratch.

Maybe the archive could be at aur3.archive.archlinux.org and have a big
warning that packages there are not maintained at all. As for what to
provide, I'd say use whatever requires less disk space. I suppose that a
way to go back in time to previous versions (as possible with
aur-mirror.git) is most probably not needed.

-- 
Mauro Santos

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Johannes Löthberg]

On 09/08, Lukas Fleischer wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 at 15:14:14, Jakub Klinkovský wrote:

[...]
As far as I remember, it was discussed that the old packages from AUR3 will
still be available in an archive. Is it the aur-mirror.git [4] or something
else? We were thinking to replace the currently broken links to AUR packages on
the wiki with links to the archive to divide the heap of broken links into
"obsolete" and "obsolete, but still findable" parts. For this to work, we need a
fixed URL with variable part corresponding to the package name. And for easy
maintenance with a bot, we would need a list of packages in the archive for fast
searching, e.g. something like [5]. Is this possible or do you have some other
recommendations?



After all, I am not sure whether we should create an official archive
hosted on aur.archlinux.org or just refer to an "inofficial" archive
like aur-mirror.git. As Doug already mentioned, I am currently on
vacation. I will have to think of that (and possibly implement an
archive) when I am back home. Meanwhile, other opinions are welcome.

If you plan to redirect broken Arch Wiki links to the archive, please
make sure that it is obvious that these packages are abandoned. They are
likely to break or be out-of-date for months.



Could maybe make the tarballs available under sources.archlinux.org for 
maybe a month or two I guess, or something like 
aur.archlinux.org/archives.


--
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Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Lukas Fleischer]

On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 at 15:14:14, Jakub Klinkovský wrote:
> [...]
> As far as I remember, it was discussed that the old packages from AUR3 will
> still be available in an archive. Is it the aur-mirror.git [4] or something
> else? We were thinking to replace the currently broken links to AUR packages 
> on
> the wiki with links to the archive to divide the heap of broken links into
> "obsolete" and "obsolete, but still findable" parts. For this to work, we 
> need a
> fixed URL with variable part corresponding to the package name. And for easy
> maintenance with a bot, we would need a list of packages in the archive for 
> fast
> searching, e.g. something like [5]. Is this possible or do you have some other
> recommendations?
> 

After all, I am not sure whether we should create an official archive
hosted on aur.archlinux.org or just refer to an "inofficial" archive
like aur-mirror.git. As Doug already mentioned, I am currently on
vacation. I will have to think of that (and possibly implement an
archive) when I am back home. Meanwhile, other opinions are welcome.

If you plan to redirect broken Arch Wiki links to the archive, please
make sure that it is obvious that these packages are abandoned. They are
likely to break or be out-of-date for months.

> [4] http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git/
> [5] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.gz
> 
> -- 
> jlk

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Sébastien Luttringer]

On Sat, 2015-08-08 at 13:42 +0200, Lukas Fleischer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> We are pleased to announce that aurweb 4.0.0 has been released. The
> official aurweb setup [1] has already been updated.

That's a big improvement. Bravo for this good work.

Cheers,

-- 
Sébastien "Seblu" Luttringer
https://seblu.net | Twitter: @seblu42
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Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Frederik “Freso” S . Olesen]

Den 08-08-2015 kl. 15:38 skrev Rodolphe Breard:
> On 08/08/2015 03:01 PM, Simon Hanna wrote:
>> However, I'd change the urls nontheless since it might be dropped sometime
>>
> 
> Or, instead of replacing URLs, you can add the deprecated one as an
> alias in your ~/.ssh/config :
> 
>> Host aur.archlinux.org aur4.archlinux.org
>> Hostname aur.archlinux.org

This will only work for SSH URLs though. If you have cloned repositories
locally via HTTPS (e.g., you're not the maintainer and you have some
local tweaks you're doing to the package), you will have to

  git remote set-url origin https://aur.archlinux.org/$pkgbase.git/

in those repositories (replacing “$pkgbase”).

-- 
Namasté,
Frederik “Freso” S. Olesen 
AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/account/Freso
Wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Freso



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Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Rodolphe Breard]

On 08/08/2015 03:01 PM, Simon Hanna wrote:
> However, I'd change the urls nontheless since it might be dropped sometime
> 

Or, instead of replacing URLs, you can add the deprecated one as an
alias in your ~/.ssh/config :

> Host aur.archlinux.org aur4.archlinux.org
> Hostname aur.archlinux.org

-- 
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https://rodolphe.breard.tf/
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Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Νῖκος Θεοδώρου]

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:01:34 +0200
Simon Hanna  wrote:

> > Will the aur4 url still be working, or do I have to update my git
> > push urls?
> A quick fetch should have told you it's working.
> However, I'd change the urls nontheless since it might be dropped
> sometime

Just so I understand, what change exactly must be done and where?

-- 
Νῖκος Θεοδώρου
«Ἀγεωμέτρητος μηδεὶς εἰσίτω!»

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Doug Newgard]

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:14:14 +0200
Jakub Klinkovský  wrote:

> On 08.08.15 at 13:42, Lukas Fleischer wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > We are pleased to announce that aurweb 4.0.0 has been released. The
> > official aurweb setup [1] has already been updated.
> > 
> > The most exciting change in this release is that Git repositories are
> > now used for AUR packages. This new feature comes along with some other
> > nice additions, such as an SSH interface for registered AUR users.
> > 
> > For a comprehensive list of changes, please consult the Git log [2]. As
> > usual, bugs should be reported to the aurweb bug tracker [3].
> > 
> > [1] https://aur.archlinux.org/
> > [2] https://projects.archlinux.org/aurweb.git/log/?id=v4.0.0
> > [3] https://bugs.archlinux.org/index.php?project=2
> 
> As far as I remember, it was discussed that the old packages from AUR3 will
> still be available in an archive. Is it the aur-mirror.git [4] or something
> else? We were thinking to replace the currently broken links to AUR packages 
> on
> the wiki with links to the archive to divide the heap of broken links into
> "obsolete" and "obsolete, but still findable" parts. For this to work, we 
> need a
> fixed URL with variable part corresponding to the package name. And for easy
> maintenance with a bot, we would need a list of packages in the archive for 
> fast
> searching, e.g. something like [5]. Is this possible or do you have some other
> recommendations?
> 
> [4] http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git/
> [5] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.gz
> 

Lukas is on vacation. Give him a chance to get back and take a look at things.

Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Jakub Klinkovský]

On 08.08.15 at 13:42, Lukas Fleischer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> We are pleased to announce that aurweb 4.0.0 has been released. The
> official aurweb setup [1] has already been updated.
> 
> The most exciting change in this release is that Git repositories are
> now used for AUR packages. This new feature comes along with some other
> nice additions, such as an SSH interface for registered AUR users.
> 
> For a comprehensive list of changes, please consult the Git log [2]. As
> usual, bugs should be reported to the aurweb bug tracker [3].
> 
> [1] https://aur.archlinux.org/
> [2] https://projects.archlinux.org/aurweb.git/log/?id=v4.0.0
> [3] https://bugs.archlinux.org/index.php?project=2

As far as I remember, it was discussed that the old packages from AUR3 will
still be available in an archive. Is it the aur-mirror.git [4] or something
else? We were thinking to replace the currently broken links to AUR packages on
the wiki with links to the archive to divide the heap of broken links into
"obsolete" and "obsolete, but still findable" parts. For this to work, we need a
fixed URL with variable part corresponding to the package name. And for easy
maintenance with a bot, we would need a list of packages in the archive for fast
searching, e.g. something like [5]. Is this possible or do you have some other
recommendations?

[4] http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git/
[5] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.gz

-- 
jlk


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Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Simon Hanna]

> Will the aur4 url still be working, or do I have to update my git push urls?
A quick fetch should have told you it's working.
However, I'd change the urls nontheless since it might be dropped sometime


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Re: [aur-general] aurweb 4.0.0 released

[Andrew Chen]

On Aug 8, 2015 11:43 PM, "Lukas Fleischer"  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> We are pleased to announce that aurweb 4.0.0 has been released. The
> official aurweb setup [1] has already been updated.
>
> The most exciting change in this release is that Git repositories are
> now used for AUR packages. This new feature comes along with some other
> nice additions, such as an SSH interface for registered AUR users.
>
> For a comprehensive list of changes, please consult the Git log [2]. As
> usual, bugs should be reported to the aurweb bug tracker [3].
>
> [1] https://aur.archlinux.org/
> [2] https://projects.archlinux.org/aurweb.git/log/?id=v4.0.0
> [3] https://bugs.archlinux.org/index.php?project=2

Hi,

Will the aur4 url still be working, or do I have to update my git push urls?

Cheers