Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] Borgelt B800 or B400 wanted

2017-03-04 Thread Sue & Bernie
Hi Richard.
I'll take the B40 off your hands.
You send it with my Flarm.

Cheers,
Bernie.

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For anyone that wants its, I have a working B40 that is available for the
cost of return post paid package

First in gets dibs

Richard



> On 5 Mar 2017, at 2:44 pm, Bruce Taylor  wrote:
> 
> I have a B500 at the right price?
> 
> BT
> 
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> Subject: [gfaforum] Borgelt B800 or B400 wanted
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to buy a B800 or B400 with GCD. 
> 
> if you have one sitting around or upgrading let me know.
> 
> Justin
> 
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[Aus-soaring] B40

2017-03-04 Thread Richard Frawley
gone



> On 5 Mar 2017, at 4:33 pm,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep need one for my motor glider
> 
> Scott
> SL Composites
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Richard Frawley
> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 4:03 PM
> To: Aus Soaring ; Gliding Australia Forum
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] Borgelt B800 or B400 wanted
> 
> For anyone that wants its, I have a working B40 that is available for the 
> cost of return post paid package
> 
> First in gets dibs
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Mar 2017, at 2:44 pm, Bruce Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a B500 at the right price?
>> 
>> BT
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Justin Sinclair [mailto:justinjsincl...@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 1:21 PM
>> To: Aus Soaring; gfafo...@glidingaustralia.org
>> Subject: [gfaforum] Borgelt B800 or B400 wanted
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I would like to buy a B800 or B400 with GCD.
>> 
>> if you have one sitting around or upgrading let me know.
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> Justin Sinclair
>> 17 Queen St
>> Scarborough Qld
>> 
>> 0421061811
>> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] Borgelt B800 or B400 wanted

2017-03-04 Thread Richard Frawley
For anyone that wants its, I have a working B40 that is available for the cost 
of return post paid package

First in gets dibs

Richard



> On 5 Mar 2017, at 2:44 pm, Bruce Taylor  wrote:
> 
> I have a B500 at the right price?
> 
> BT
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Justin Sinclair [mailto:justinjsincl...@hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 1:21 PM
> To: Aus Soaring; gfafo...@glidingaustralia.org
> Subject: [gfaforum] Borgelt B800 or B400 wanted
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to buy a B800 or B400 with GCD. 
> 
> if you have one sitting around or upgrading let me know.
> 
> Justin
> 
> Justin Sinclair 
> 17 Queen St
> Scarborough Qld
> 
> 0421061811
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Borgelt B800 or B400 wanted

2017-03-04 Thread Justin Sinclair
Ok my bad, I would like a Borgelt with GCD

JJ

Justin Sinclair
17 Queen St
Scarborough Qld

0421061811

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On 5 Mar 2017, at 12:33 pm, Mike Borgelt 
> wrote:

The B400 doesn't have a GCD, nor cruise mode vario processing.

Mike

At 12:21 PM 3/5/2017, you wrote:
Hi all,

I would like to buy a B800 or B400 with GCD.

if you have one sitting around or upgrading let me know.

Justin

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Borgelt B800 or B400 wanted

2017-03-04 Thread Mike Borgelt

The B400 doesn't have a GCD, nor cruise mode vario processing.

Mike

At 12:21 PM 3/5/2017, you wrote:

Hi all,

I would like to buy a B800 or B400 with GCD.

if you have one sitting around or upgrading let me know.

Justin

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[Aus-soaring] Borgelt B800 or B400 wanted

2017-03-04 Thread Justin Sinclair
Hi all,

I would like to buy a B800 or B400 with GCD. 

if you have one sitting around or upgrading let me know.

Justin

Justin Sinclair 
17 Queen St
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Voltage drop

2017-03-04 Thread Mike Borgelt

Well you can size the wiring properly by referring to the tables in AC43.

Nobody here seems to know what reference the 
German glider manufacturers use, if any. Bernard 
could presumably just ask Schleichers.


In any case, just measure at the battery 
terminals and at the instrument with the same 
load.  As Bob Dircks says, there can be drop in 
switches, connectors  and fuses.


In any case what matters operationally is what 
voltage appears at the instrument because that is 
what will stop it working when it gets too low. 
So I'd just set the offset to zero.


I've seen too many dodgy wiring installations. If 
you have to wiggle the connector to get it to 
work it is no good and probably won't work for long.


In one memorable instance about 20 years ago a 
club had some vario problems. After investigating 
they found 12 volts at the battery and 8 volts at the instrument.


After re-wiring they let me know that everything 
now worked fine, including the radio which hadn't 
been working properly SINCE THE FIRE DOWN THE BACK 18 MONTHS BEFORE.


Mike









At 11:38 AM 3/5/2017, you wrote:
naturally the germans involved would...ask a 
silly question, even a rhetoric one.




On 5 Mar 2017, at 11:58 AM, Mike Borgelt 
<mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> 
wrote:



Refer to AC43 but measure anyway.

Who knows what the German glider manufacturers do with wiring.

Mike

At 10:52 AM 3/5/2017, you wrote:

Hi Bob

Many thanks for your quick reply.
I realise that the size of the wiring comes 
into it but I was working on the assumption that
the electronic specialists amongst us would 
know what wiring the manufacturers usually

use for this applications.

BTW, I’m not blaming the wiring, I just need 
to arrive at a realistic figure for the offset in

my LX 9000.

Kind regards

Bernard


On 5 Mar 2017, at 11:11 am, Bob Dircks 
<dircks@gmail.com> wrote:


In order to calculate the voltage drop, we 
would need to know the exact conductor size of the wiring.

Of course the circuit is actually going to be 22m in length.
You can (fairly) easily measure the voltage 
drop with a voltmeter, to measure the voltage 
at both locations while the load is applied.
Normally one would not expect a significant 
drop at 0.9 A over 11m of a wire chosen carefully for the job.


However, all joints in the wiring, including 
switches and breakers need to be considered, before blaming the wiring.


Bob Dircks

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Future 
Aviation Pty. Ltd. 
<ec...@internode.on.net > wrote:

Good morning all
Today I have a question for the electronic specialists on this forum.
My new ASH 30 Mi has approx. 11m of 
electrical cable between the avionics battery 
in the top of the fin and the front instrument panel.
What voltage drop can be expected at the 
panel if the combined avionics draw approx. 900 mA?
This information would be helpful to properly 
adjust the voltage offset in the LX 9000.

Many thanks in advance for your help and assistance.
Bernard

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Voltage drop

2017-03-04 Thread Richard Frawley
naturally the germans involved would...ask a silly question, even a rhetoric 
one.



> On 5 Mar 2017, at 11:58 AM, Mike Borgelt  
> wrote:
> 
> Refer to AC43 but measure anyway.
> 
> Who knows what the German glider manufacturers do with wiring.
> 
> Mike
> 
> At 10:52 AM 3/5/2017, you wrote:
>> Hi Bob
>> 
>> Many thanks for your quick reply.
>> I realise that the size of the wiring comes into it but I was working on the 
>> assumption that 
>> the electronic specialists amongst us would know what wiring the 
>> manufacturers usually 
>> use for this applications. 
>> 
>> BTW, I’m not blaming the wiring, I just need to arrive at a realistic figure 
>> for the offset in 
>> my LX 9000.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Bernard 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Mar 2017, at 11:11 am, Bob Dircks  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In order to calculate the voltage drop, we would need to know the exact 
>>> conductor size of the wiring.
>>> Of course the circuit is actually going to be 22m in length.
>>> You can (fairly) easily measure the voltage drop with a voltmeter, to 
>>> measure the voltage at both locations while the load is applied.
>>> Normally one would not expect a significant drop at 0.9 A over 11m of a 
>>> wire chosen carefully for the job.
>>> 
>>> However, all joints in the wiring, including switches and breakers need to 
>>> be considered, before blaming the wiring.
>>> 
>>> Bob Dircks
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Good morning all
>>> 
>>> Today I have a question for the electronic specialists on this forum.
>>> 
>>> My new ASH 30 Mi has approx. 11m of electrical cable between the avionics 
>>> battery in the top of the fin and the front instrument panel.
>>> What voltage drop can be expected at the panel if the combined avionics 
>>> draw approx. 900 mA?
>>> 
>>> This information would be helpful to properly adjust the voltage offset in 
>>> the LX 9000.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks in advance for your help and assistance.
>>> 
>>> Bernard
>>> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] Handicaps

2017-03-04 Thread Jacques Graells
As I said, maybe the DRY handicaps for sports class need review, the ballasted 
were changed a year or 2 ago, time at which I was told the DRY handicaps for 
sports class are no longer used because the Sports Nats are competed ballasted 
but we still use the DRY sports handicaps in other events.

 

Jacques

 

 

From: Tom & Kerrie Claffey [mailto:tom.ker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 5 March 2017 11:44 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
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Sanders 
Subject: Re: [gfaforum] Handicaps

 

Last time I flew Sports at Keepit Steve and I reviewed Nimbus3DM handicap 
relative to 18M ballasted and found them correct, contrary to earlier 
complaints. Maybe I should bring 15M next time? ;)

Tom

 

...

 

On Sun, 5 Mar 2017 at 11:31, Jacques Graells  > wrote:

At the Keepit Regatta we use the GFA dry handicaps and as Casey said, we adjust 
for engines weight when fitted and not accounted for in the reference weight.

It would be nice if we could adjust the 18m gliders to something more realistic 
but since the Sports class are now competed ballasted I think the dry handicaps 
for the sports gliders are not actively reviewed.

If we change anything to the handicaps the pilots will crucify us. It has to 
come from GFA.

 

Jacques

 

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 ] 
Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2017 2:59 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
 >; 
Gliding Australia Forum  >; Ron Sanders  >
Subject: Re: [gfaforum] Handicaps

 

Ron,

The Keepit regatta does it's own handicaps.

Of course you are confused ;)

Tom

...

On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 at 12:44, Ron Sanders  > wrote:

I am confused totally,

I have an old Nimbus 3DM. When i went to the Two seat Nats its handicap was 
1040 and yet if i had gone to the Keepit Regatta its handicap is 1220. So???

 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Voltage drop

2017-03-04 Thread Mike Borgelt

Refer to AC43 but measure anyway.

Who knows what the German glider manufacturers do with wiring.

Mike

At 10:52 AM 3/5/2017, you wrote:

Hi Bob

Many thanks for your quick reply.
I realise that the size of the wiring comes into 
it but I was working on the assumption that
the electronic specialists amongst us would know 
what wiring the manufacturers usually

use for this applications.

BTW, I’m not blaming the wiring, I just need 
to arrive at a realistic figure for the offset in

my LX 9000.

Kind regards

Bernard


On 5 Mar 2017, at 11:11 am, Bob Dircks 
<dircks@gmail.com> wrote:


In order to calculate the voltage drop, we 
would need to know the exact conductor size of the wiring.

Of course the circuit is actually going to be 22m in length.
You can (fairly) easily measure the voltage 
drop with a voltmeter, to measure the voltage 
at both locations while the load is applied.
Normally one would not expect a significant 
drop at 0.9 A over 11m of a wire chosen carefully for the job.


However, all joints in the wiring, including 
switches and breakers need to be considered, before blaming the wiring.


Bob Dircks

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Future 
Aviation Pty. Ltd. 
<ec...@internode.on.net> wrote:

Good morning all

Today I have a question for the electronic specialists on this forum.

My new ASH 30 Mi has approx. 11m of electrical 
cable between the avionics battery in the top 
of the fin and the front instrument panel.
What voltage drop can be expected at the panel 
if the combined avionics draw approx. 900 mA?


This information would be helpful to properly 
adjust the voltage offset in the LX 9000.


Many thanks in advance for your help and assistance.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Voltage drop

2017-03-04 Thread Bob Dircks
In order to calculate the voltage drop, we would need to know the exact
conductor size of the wiring.
Of course the circuit is actually going to be 22m in length.
You can (fairly) easily measure the voltage drop with a voltmeter, to
measure the voltage at both locations while the load is applied.
Normally one would not expect a significant drop at 0.9 A over 11m of a
wire chosen carefully for the job.

However, all joints in the wiring, including switches and breakers need to
be considered, before blaming the wiring.

Bob Dircks

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. <
ec...@internode.on.net> wrote:

> Good morning all
>
> Today I have a question for the electronic specialists on this forum.
>
> My new ASH 30 Mi has approx. 11m of electrical cable between the avionics
> battery in the top of the fin and the front instrument panel.
> What voltage drop can be expected at the panel if the combined avionics
> draw approx. 900 mA?
>
> This information would be helpful to properly adjust the voltage offset in
> the LX 9000.
>
> Many thanks in advance for your help and assistance.
>
> Bernard
>
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[Aus-soaring] Voltage drop

2017-03-04 Thread Future Aviation Pty. Ltd.
Good morning all

Today I have a question for the electronic specialists on this forum.

My new ASH 30 Mi has approx. 11m of electrical cable between the avionics 
battery in the top of the fin and the front instrument panel. 
What voltage drop can be expected at the panel if the combined avionics draw 
approx. 900 mA?

This information would be helpful to properly adjust the voltage offset in the 
LX 9000.

Many thanks in advance for your help and assistance.

Bernard 

 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] Handicaps

2017-03-04 Thread Jacques Graells
At the Keepit Regatta we use the GFA dry handicaps and as Casey said, we adjust 
for engines weight when fitted and not accounted for in the reference weight.

It would be nice if we could adjust the 18m gliders to something more realistic 
but since the Sports class are now competed ballasted I think the dry handicaps 
for the sports gliders are not actively reviewed.

If we change anything to the handicaps the pilots will crucify us. It has to 
come from GFA.

 

Jacques

 

From: Tom & Kerrie Claffey [mailto:tom.ker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2017 2:59 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
; Gliding Australia Forum 
; Ron Sanders 
Subject: Re: [gfaforum] Handicaps

 

Ron,

The Keepit regatta does it's own handicaps.

Of course you are confused ;)

Tom

...

On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 at 12:44, Ron Sanders  > wrote:

I am confused totally,

I have an old Nimbus 3DM. When i went to the Two seat Nats its handicap was 
1040 and yet if i had gone to the Keepit Regatta its handicap is 1220. So???

 

Ron

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