Re: [Aus-soaring] MID-AIR BREAK-UP (John Roake)
Brian and Richard, Billy and Dave were friends of mine also, and of John as well, as evidenced by his sensitive article in a previous issue about the enormous contribution of Bill to the NZ gliding movement, and in particular to Omarama. Personally I have been waiting for a report on this apparent mid air break up. Have not most glider pilots, indeed? If Gliding International is the first publication to have the report, well good on John and his team! I think that John Roake is perfectly entitled to advise Australian Gliding membership of this very welcome report. I read John’s post before I read yours, and was in no way offended that he was using the deaths of respected NZ glider pilots to promote his magazine. John, just be realistic. It is impossible to not offend someone if you have a commercial interest and choose to post on the often petty Aus Soaring site! I suspect that Bernard Eccy would agree. Regards Bob Ward From: Brian Savage Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 1:46 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MID-AIR BREAK-UP (John Roake) John, I notice that you are using the death of two of my friends to market your magazine. Nice touch. Brian Savage On 6 February 2016 at 14:30, wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.base64.com.au You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.base64.com.au When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." Today's Topics: 1. MID-AIR BREAK-UP (John Roake) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 14:22:07 +1300 From: John Roake To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." Subject: [Aus-soaring] MID-AIR BREAK-UP Message-ID: <mailto:d2dbb20f.3f5b1%25j...@johnroake.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > We are reproducing an English Version of the just out official Namibian > Accident report that resulted in the death of two New Zealanders in November > 2014. > > They have declared that the ASH25 EB28 broke-up in mid-air, but there were > other contributing factors which are spelt out in detail. > > The full report is in the new edition of Gliding International due out in a > few days. > > New subscribers can effect a subscription and copy via our Web page. > > JOHN ROAKE, EDITOR > GLIDING INTERNATIONAL. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.base64.com.au/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20160206/9ea25ad7/attachment.html> -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring -- End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3 * ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Pete Cesco on TV
If Peter Cesco with his myriad experience does not know that gliding is many times more dangerous than the drive to the airport, then I am truly amazed. In my forty nine years continuous participation with the sport, I can now count thirteen people I knew who have perished whilst perusing gliding. Two of these were members of my own club, and several were competition associates. I do not have any answer as to how we promote our sport if we are honest and face up to the fact that it is essentially “bloody dangerous” . This is of course a dilemma facing the GFA and individuals or groups trying to promote our sport. However I cringe when I hear glider pilots try to perpetuate the old myth “the most dangerous part of gliding is the drive to the airport” Otherwise I agree that Peter’s TV spot was a creditable performance. Regards Bob Ward From: Glenn McLean Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pete Cesco on TV Thanks David. Glenn On 2/29/2016 6:41 PM, David Holmes wrote: HI Glen Is this what you want? http://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/2016-nsw-state-championships-lake-keepit-gld-2016/results Soaring Spot :: 2016 NSW State Championships www.soaringspot.com Lake Keepit Gld, Australia, 27 February 2016 – 5 March 2016 ... Kind Regards, David -- From: Aus-soaring mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au on behalf of Glenn McLean mailto:glenn...@bigpond.com Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 6:34 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pete Cesco on TV Hi Derek, Any idea on how to access info about the NSW State Comps? I looked at the keepit website and it goes nowhere. Regards Glenn On 2/29/2016 4:29 PM, Derek wrote: Any idea why he didn’t land on the clear strip just to the right? From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark Newton Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 1:54 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pete Cesco on TV On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Anthony Smith wrote: Which show was it on? https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/30949880/adelaide-doctor-recovering-in-hospital-after-glider-crash/#page1 - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
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[Aus-soaring] Fw: Nigel's omission
I seldom post on this site but feel strongly that Nigel Andrews has essentially been insulted by Harry’s award. As Harry pointed out, the associated comments in the announcement were correct. Harry did finance the development of Aus Flarm when he had confidence that Nigel was on to something very significant for the movement. Harry certainly deserves his award for backing something so significant. However I am somewhat ashamed that the GFA, an association of which I have been a member for 50 years, chose to award Harry for his contribution , while ignoring Nigel’s even more significant contribution. Would not a joint award of that prestigious award have been more appropriate? Bob Ward ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Nigel's omission
Richard, As my post most assuredly acknowledges. But, not quite the point of the other aspect of my post. This outrage must be addressed somehow! Bob Ward From: Richard Frawley Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 6:18 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Nigel's omission from what i have told Flarms were developed as a commercial venture. Sure Nigel applied the technical know how, but that is the business he is in and still is. finding anyone to back a venture is tough. Harry put a sizeable lot of cash at risk into this. Having backed a few ventures, including my own, putting what the majority of you would consider a small fortune into a small fickle market (gliding) takes balls and commitment. I think Harry should be awarded on that alone. On 24 Jul 2016, at 6:01 PM, Ian Mc Phee wrote: Very well put Bob from another bloke 50 years continuously in GFA. If it were skiing lift passes we would be free for us Bob. Ian McPhee 0428847642 Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481 On 23 Jul 2016 7:46 pm, "Bob Ward" wrote: I seldom post on this site but feel strongly that Nigel Andrews has essentially been insulted by Harry’s award. As Harry pointed out, the associated comments in the announcement were correct. Harry did finance the development of Aus Flarm when he had confidence that Nigel was on to something very significant for the movement. Harry certainly deserves his award for backing something so significant. However I am somewhat ashamed that the GFA, an association of which I have been a member for 50 years, chose to award Harry for his contribution , while ignoring Nigel’s even more significant contribution. Would not a joint award of that prestigious award have been more appropriate? Bob Ward ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] One generation to the next
Re the missing 1000 K flights. It could be as simple as no documentation was submitted or that it was rejected for some obscure reason. May be simpler to ask Roger and Scott if they have been creddited with their flights. Regards Bob Ward From: Gary Stevenson Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:03 AM To: 'Noel Roediger' ; 'Mark Bland' ; 'Bernie O'Donnell' ; 'Tim Shirley - IT Admin' Cc: 'Gliding Australia Forum' ; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' ; 'Tom & Kerrie Claffey' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] One generation to the next Hello Noel. Good questions. A little time has now passed. My first thought was that Pam Kurstgens might respond. However as she is a member of these forums, and has not responded, it is likely that she does not know. To the best of my knowledge, Terry Cubley is our rep to, and also Vice-president of the organization. He too might have responded, but perhaps for the same reason as Pam, he has not provided answers. I suggest that you contact Terry directly, and formally request him to provide you with answers to your questions. Please let us all know the outcome. Re those flights that you mention – by self, Roger and Scott – I sure as hell would love to hear the stories. I haven’t the slightest doubt that Sean Young (editor), would not hesitate to publish these stories in Gliding Australia, but why not do a preliminary run here? Can you organize Roger and Scott to write up their experiences? Both are still on the scene. Gary From: Noel Roediger [mailto:roedi...@internode.on.net] Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2016 6:24 PM To: 'Mark Bland'; 'Bernie O'Donnell'; 'Tim Shirley - IT Admin' Cc: 'Tom & Kerrie Claffey'; 'Ron Sanders'; 'Gliding Australia Forum'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [gfaforum] One generation to the next Thanks Mark. Most interesting but I find many Diamond “c’s” and some of the Aus 1000km pilots not included. Scott Percival and Roger Bond both flew !000 from Gawler and I couldn’t find them on list. I flew the same task with Scott and Roger which took place on separate days/years. On both these flights I experienced situations that were incredible. Will record later. Scott and Roger: do you Know why you don’t appear in the list? I’m bemused by the FAI’s list of Diamond “C” holders. They are linear and correct from No.1 – 26.. Then we see no.164, next 685 and then1141. After that acknowledgements a sequential. I think Merv Waghorn was the first holder but flew his height leg overseas, and Max Hedt was our first pilot who flew all legs in Aus. Correct me if I’m wrong. What has happened to the missing intermediate records. Noel. From: Mark Bland [mailto:marklibe...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:15 PM To: 'Bernie O'Donnell'; 'Tim Shirley - IT Admin' Cc: 'Tom & Kerrie Claffey'; 'Ron Sanders'; 'Gliding Australia Forum'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [gfaforum] One generation to the next This will answer everyone: http://www.fai.org/igc-our-sport/badges-and-diplomas Cheers Mark From: Bernie O'Donnell [mailto:bernber...@live.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2016 9:53 AM To: Tim Shirley - IT Admin Cc: Tom & Kerrie Claffey; Ron Sanders; Gliding Australia Forum; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [gfaforum] One generation to the next I was with Tim on thinking Bruce Tuncks being first in Aus. What year did Paul do his? Think Steve was 18.. Cheers Bernie O'Donnell Sent from my iPhone On 31 Jul 2016, at 8:35 AM, Tim Shirley - IT Admin wrote: Happy to be corrected. Thank you. On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 6:58 AM, Tom & Kerrie Claffey wrote: Nope Tim, Steve O'Donnell at 17 for Australia. Paul Mander at Narromine (first 1000k 15 M triangle in the WORLD) Andy Pybus in 83/84 in LS4 at Narromine. Tom ... On Saturday, 30 July 2016, Tim Shirley - IT Admin wrote: Hi Ron, 1st 15M 1000km was I think Bruce Tuncks in a Mosquito in 1981 or 1982. Flying out of Gawler. The triangle was something like Gawler -Quorn- Redcliff-Gawler. I can't answer the other questions. Cheers On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Ron Sanders wrote: Just wondering of any of the new generation of glider pilots can tell me: What was the age of the youngest Australian glider pilot to do 1000 K triangle? Who did the first 15m 1000 K triangle and where? Who did and where for the first standard class 1000 K triangle. Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2
more serious consequences for a n early hours motor glider pilot. Mike B and others, I can sincerely say that I will NEVER, as long as my bum points to the ground, ever again own a retractable power system, manufactured by Schempp Hirth..That of other manufacturers? I have no first hand experience with other manufacturers systems, so will reserve my judgement, but would certainly be a very cautious person if I was considering purchasing one! Mike B, in my opinion, you are completely missing the point about FES, which is this. You will be sacrificing a miniscule of glide performance for a system which will save you a land out, climb away at about 2 M/S even in an 18 M glider, and then allow you to cruise under power at least one hundred kilometres at better than one hundred KPH to either home, a safe airport, allowing a safe aero tow, or back to an area that is still thermic.. What could be better than that! In my opinion, Mike, the system would be better named, KISS FES! “Keep it Simple stupid. Front electric sustainer ! “ Mike, you may know that Andrew Madocks is currently working at the Schempp factory, having training to return to Aus with all the qualifications to undertake all glider maintenance including major repairs, and approved modifications. He has been well involved with the installation of FES in new Schempp products. He has been briefed by me to return with knowlege of what is involved to retro fit FES to my Ventus 2CM, which would then become , I guess, my Ventus 2C FES!. I expect that this will be done some time in 2017, soon after Andrew returns to Australia. My extremely unreliable Solo motor retractable motor system which is now, at last, working perfectly and reliably, for the first time in eighteen months, (Due to another instance of Schempp saying, “Sorry, Mr Ward, the engine in your Ventus 2CM is no longer supported. We are of course able to support your airframe, virtually forever!” , will be then hung from a hook in my hanger! My self launching motor glider has operated in the experimentalcategory for the last year due to a failed mechanical water pump. Yes, you guessed it. Not available from either Schempp or Solo! It is now equipped with an approved modification, an electric water pump, for which the pump manufacturer claims a service life of from memory, twenty thousand hours! >From memory, the total engine system has less than 90 hours, on VH-GBW, for >about 2600 airframe hours. And all the bloody pain of owning a retractable >engine system for the twenty two years of operation! Mike you are aware that I rarely post on this site However, I chose to do so today, as I believe that you are on completely the wrong tram with respect to retractable systems and FES. My advice to you would be this. Please consider carefully before you again call FES a “Silly FES” In conclusion, Mike, I must say that I find it truly amazing that you, of all people, who for years operated a piggy back Top Engine on your Ventus C , and which, conservatively would have depreciated your gliders glide performance by say 20% or so, would be so concerned about the absolutely miniscule depreciation, on glide performance of FES, when considered along side its attributes, and its simplicity. And as I recall it, you repeatedly sang the praises of the TOP system! Mike, regardless of your or other responses to this post, this will be my only post on this subject! Please do not even try to draw me out with your usual invective. It simply will not work. I know you too well! My prediction, Mike, is that within 10 years, FES will out sell all other “lets not land out” systems. And it will be easily retro fit table to just about anything.! Lets just agree to wait and see if you or me is correct! Regards Bob Ward. From: Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:40 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2 LOL! Good point. You might need a Honda generator running most of the night. Yep, clean green motorgliding. Lange Antares has been around for a while. I think it was the first PRODUCTION electric SLG. Uses some Saft V44 Li-ion cells. 72 of them I think. Lots of very careful cell management is required. There are microprocessors all over the battery pack and they report to Germany via the cell phone network. Silent Electro uses the FES system. Someone should really put one in a Silent Targa 2 as a retractable installation to compare performance with the front mounted FES. Mike At 10:26 AM 9/19/2016, you wrote: Umm. I believe solar panels don't work so well overnight. Not in australia anyway ð Kind Regards David Holmes Sent from my iPhone 0439 734 646 > On 19 Sep 2016, at 10:24, DMcD wrote: > > HA, > > There's an interesting article in the current S&G about a casual comp > done in Italy, flown with
Re: [Aus-soaring] Interesting way to advertise a Ute.
Bernard, Sorry Bernard, I just cannot help myself . Would it not be a perfect application for FES? Regards Bob Ward From: Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 2:50 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Interesting way to advertise a Ute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GTX6S8q7x8&sns=em Nice glider and a challenging runway. Thanks, Nige! Kind regards to all! Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] JS3
I wonder if it is relevant that the Jonkers brothers are both entered in 15 M class for the worlds, with no nominated aircraft mentioned. Bob Ward From: Richard Hatch Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 8:05 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] JS3 Just in case anyone missed it, Jonkers flew a 15m prototype. No word yet on whether it will be at Benalla or not. http://www.jonkersailplanes.de/js3-the-second-one/ Rich. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles
Tom, Airbrake handles are no problem, as blue bicycle grip s will do the job. Available from any bicycle retailer. Trim knobs? A little more difficult, unless you can describe the shape of the original. Typically, these control knobs have a 6 mm internal thread which is a metal insert into the plastic grip Any handy person with access to a lathe could produce such an insert, which would then be epoxied into a suitable knob. such as a green plastic ball. I think that most commercial glider facilities would have expertise to the skills require for the fabrication of a trim knob. I hope this helps you. What I have described applieS to a glass fibre gliderS. IF YOU NEED HANDLES FOR OLDER STEEL TUBE FUSELAGES, THEN PLEASE GET BACK TO ME OFF LINE. regards Bob Ward -Original Message- From: Tom Wilksch Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 5:54 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles Afternoon all Could anybody advise a good place to purchase things like airbrake handles and trim knobs? Thanks Tom W ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Warm Fronts on the BOM Weather Maps
Peter, I am sure it is the latter. The complexity of BOM weather maps has increased exponentially in the 50 years or so that I have been following them. As more data sites and understanding of the data improves, so too will the charts become more complex and accurate. The downside is that there is a need to interpret the subtle changes. Another example of the challenge of changes in technology. I would welcome David Wilson’s or other persons with better knowlege of weather than I have, but for now, that is my opinion. Regards Bob Ward Regards Bob Ward From: Peter Champness Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:11 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Warm Fronts on the BOM Weather Maps Has any noticed that warm fronts are becoming a feature of our weather maps? I can't remember seeing them before, except possibly well south of Tasmania. David Wilson said something recently about our cold fronts being somewhat like the Northern Hemisphere warm fronts that Wallington describes in his book (Meteorology for Glider Pilots). In a similar manner troughs were not seen on our weather maps before about the mid 1990's. Now they are every where. Is it Climate Change or is the BOM learning something? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Goran Ax RIP
Terry, Goran was more than just a competitor at the 1974 Worlds. He placed second to the winner of open class, American George Moffat. I was a member of the Horsham Gliding Club, and our club hosted the entire Swedish Gliding team. I crewed for Goran personally, and provided his crew car. Not needed at all as I recall for a retrieve, but the Swedish team insisted that the crew car follow the pilot around the entire course, give or take a bit for cutting corners. Many friendships developed from our club's close association with the Swedish team and at least one member enjoyed two trips to Sweden, to enjoy the hospitality of friendships developed in Waikerie 1974. So sad to hear of Groan's passing this way. However it is a regrettable fact that a few competitors at the 1974 Worlds left us due to gliding accidents. Three come to mind. Helmut Reichmann, winner standard class, Alf Schubert, Open class, and Klaus Holighaus, also open class. Memories, memories.! Regards Bob Ward -Original Message- From: Terry Neumann Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 4:05 PM To: Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au Subject: [Aus-soaring] Goran Ax RIP Not sure if this has been posted before News came through from Sweden a couple of days back via Ake Pettersson and Peter Goodale, that two times World Champion Goran Ax was fatally injured in a traffic acident. Goran was a competitor in the World Comps at Waikerie in 1974 flying a Nimbus 2 - the supership of that era. Here is the text of Ake's email: It is with great sorrow that we are told, our legend Göran Ax, our most prominent gliding pilot, on Saturday February 24, deceased in a traffic accident outside Landskrona, South Sweden. Goran was aged 74 and was reportedly still active in the sport: http://www.segelflyget.se/Nyheter/goranaxhargatturtiden/ He has been honoured with a page in Wikipedia in Swedish (Google Translate could be your friend) Another sad loss to the sport Regards, Terry Neumann --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
