Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

[Teal]

Not a pseudonym.

I notice that the person generating the largest amount of uncivil 
discourse this afternoon is doing so under their "real name". I guess 
"real names" don't guarantee a darn thing when it comes to posting 
manners, after all.



Teal


On 6/06/2017 5:14 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
"DMcD"  who or whatever he/she/it  is. The only other recently seemed 
to be "Teal".


 Everyone else seems to notice that people use their real names and go 
along with that.



Mike

At 05:29 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

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Just out of interest who is posting under a pseudonym

Justin Sinclair
17 Queen St
Scarborough Qld

0421061811

Sent from my iPad

On 6 Jun 2017, at 5:26 pm, Mike Borgelt 
<mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>> wrote:



Sounds much like "Air America" by Christopher Robbins.

At one time the CIA allegedly owned so many airlines and aircraft 
and had confused the issue so well, the boss couldn't find out 
exactly how many aircraft they owned.


If you have a Callair towplane,  it was built by Intermountain Air 
which at one time was a CIA front.



Mike




At 04:26 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

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Content-Language: en-au

Yeah,
The NSF have plenty of dash err cash!
Take for example the IceCube Neutrino Observatory located at the 
Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, built over the years 2005 – 
2010, and estimated to have cost $229 million. JJust getting the 
parts (including those for the -hot water - drilling rig), to the 
site kept their own private airline busy  for  years. God only 
knows what else this fleet does, or where it does it!


Gary
PS As an aside,  google “murder at the south pole” re the death 
of Rodney Marks. What is of major interest  is that although New 
Zealand has legal jurisdiction here, the NSF was very easily able 
to gag the NZ investigator, and also spirit Marks’ body away: 
handy having you own fleet.


*From:* Aus-soaring [ 
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au 
<mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au>] *On Behalf Of 
*Mike Borgelt

*Sent:* Tuesday, 6 June 2017 3:15 PM
*To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
*Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

LOL! I think you'll find that adding the Voodoo sciences is fairly 
recent so that the mediocre don't feel too left out. aka "political 
correctness". Shows the problems of letting an organisation like 
the NSF define itself. It appears to be a US Federal government 
body which doles out federal taxpayer funding to universities and a 
few other bodies. OF COURSE they'll be as inclusive as possible. 
Helps get more money by creating larger pressure groups.


I remember only a couple of years ago STEM generally was taken to 
mean Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics and social and 
political science didn't count.



I make a small exception for psychology in that there is a 
legitimate part of it that deals with human perception/reaction aka 
human factors research which is what science/science fiction Jerry 
Pournelle did at Boeing back in the 1950s. There was even a TV 
series back in the late 50s about that sort of thing, "The Man and 
the Challenge". It is on youtube.


Mike

At 02:02 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

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The National Science Foundation (NSF) definition of *STEM* fields 
includes mathematics, natural sciences, engineering, computer and 
information sciences, and the social and behavioral sciences – 
*psychology*, ecoonomics, sociology, and political science.


*From:* Aus-soaring [ 
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au 
<mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au>] *On Behalf Of 
*Mike Borgelt

*Sent:* Tuesday, 6 June 2017 1:27 PM
*To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
*Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

Most aircraft designs are built in total numbers smaller than what 
a car manufacturer would put through the production line to debug 
the line.


It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do 
the job.


I'm guessing you've never actually done any engineering or 
manufactured anything. Academic, but not from any STEM fields who 
can't do physics or maths?


Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll. The vast majority of 
people in this place identify themselves.


Mike


At 10:01 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:

>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost $300,000 or more? Most 
cars costing more than say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is 
not just a cheap plastic mould

Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

[Richard Frawley]

its email address is Sluts Wool

funny name





> On 6 Jun 2017, at 5:44 pm, Mike Borgelt  
> wrote:
> 
> "DMcD"  who or whatever he/she/it  is. The only other recently seemed to be 
> "Teal".
> 
>  Everyone else seems to notice that people use their real names and go along 
> with that.
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> At 05:29 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:
>> Content-Language: en-AU
>> Content-Type: multipart/related;
>>  
>> boundary="_004_ME1PR01MB09459CB78105637A3D691CB4BBCB0ME1PR01MB0945ausp_";
>>  type="multipart/alternative"
>> 
>> Just out of interest who is posting under a pseudonym 
>> 
>> Justin Sinclair 
>> 17 Queen St
>> Scarborough Qld
>> 
>> 0421061811
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 5:26 pm, Mike Borgelt < mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com 
>> <mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sounds much like "Air America" by Christopher Robbins.
>>> 
>>> At one time the CIA allegedly owned so many airlines and aircraft and had 
>>> confused the issue so well, the boss couldn't find out exactly how many 
>>> aircraft they owned.
>>> 
>>> If you have a Callair towplane,  it was built by Intermountain Air which at 
>>> one time was a CIA front.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 04:26 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:
>>>> Content-Type: multipart/related;
>>>>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_002D_01D2DEE1.A4F652A0"
>>>> Content-Language: en-au
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah,
>>>> The NSF have plenty of dash err cash!
>>>> Take for example the IceCube Neutrino Observatory located at the 
>>>> Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, built over the years 2005 – 2010, and 
>>>> estimated to have cost $229 million. JJust getting the parts (including 
>>>> those for the -hot water - drilling rig), to the site kept their own 
>>>> private airline busy  for  years. God only knows what else this fleet 
>>>> does, or where it does it!
>>>>  
>>>> Gary
>>>> PS As an aside,  google “murder at the south pole” re the death of 
>>>> Rodney Marks. What is of major interest  is that although  New Zealand has 
>>>> legal jurisdiction here, the NSF was very easily able to gag the NZ 
>>>> investigator, and also spirit Marks’ body away: handy having you own 
>>>> fleet.
>>>>  
>>>> From: Aus-soaring [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au 
>>>> <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au>] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 3:15 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
>>>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields
>>>>  
>>>> LOL! I think you'll find that adding the Voodoo sciences is fairly recent 
>>>> so that the mediocre don't feel too left out. aka "political correctness". 
>>>> Shows the problems of letting an organisation like the NSF define itself. 
>>>> It appears to be a US Federal government body which doles out federal 
>>>> taxpayer funding to universities and a few other bodies. OF COURSE they'll 
>>>> be as inclusive as possible. Helps get more money by creating larger 
>>>> pressure groups.
>>>> 
>>>> I remember only a couple of years ago STEM generally was taken to mean 
>>>> Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics and social and political 
>>>> science didn't count.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I make a small exception for psychology in that there is a legitimate part 
>>>> of it that deals with human perception/reaction aka human factors research 
>>>> which is what science/science fiction Jerry Pournelle did at Boeing back 
>>>> in the 1950s. There was even a TV series back in the late 50s about that 
>>>> sort of thing, "The Man and the Challenge". It is on youtube.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> At 02:02 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Content-Type: multipart/related;
>>>>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_001B_01D2DECD.7D28BF10"
>>>> Content-Language: en-au
>>>> 
>>>> The National Science Foundation (NSF) definition of STEM fields includes 
>>>> mat

Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

[Justin Sinclair]

I always thought it was Dave McDonald :)

Justin Sinclair
17 Queen St
Scarborough Qld

0421061811

Sent from my iPad

On 6 Jun 2017, at 5:45 pm, Mike Borgelt 
mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>> wrote:

"DMcD"  who or whatever he/she/it  is. The only other recently seemed to be 
"Teal".

 Everyone else seems to notice that people use their real names and go along 
with that.


Mike

At 05:29 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:
Content-Language: en-AU
Content-Type: multipart/related;
 
boundary="_004_ME1PR01MB09459CB78105637A3D691CB4BBCB0ME1PR01MB0945ausp_";
 type="multipart/alternative"

Just out of interest who is posting under a pseudonym

Justin Sinclair
17 Queen St
Scarborough Qld

0421061811

Sent from my iPad

On 6 Jun 2017, at 5:26 pm, Mike Borgelt < 
mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com<mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>> wrote:

Sounds much like "Air America" by Christopher Robbins.

At one time the CIA allegedly owned so many airlines and aircraft and had 
confused the issue so well, the boss couldn't find out exactly how many 
aircraft they owned.

If you have a Callair towplane,  it was built by Intermountain Air which at one 
time was a CIA front.


Mike




At 04:26 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:
Content-Type: multipart/related;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_002D_01D2DEE1.A4F652A0"
Content-Language: en-au

Yeah,
The NSF have plenty of dash err cash!
Take for example the IceCube Neutrino Observatory located at the Amundsen-Scott 
South Pole Station, built over the years 2005 – 2010, and estimated to have 
cost $229 million. JJust getting the parts (including those for the -hot water 
- drilling rig), to the site kept their own private airline busy  for  years. 
God only knows what else this fleet does, or where it does it!

Gary
PS As an aside,  google “murder at the south pole” re the death of Rodney 
Marks. What is of major interest  is that although  New Zealand has legal 
jurisdiction here, the NSF was very easily able to gag the NZ investigator, and 
also spirit Marks’ body away: handy having you own fleet.

From: Aus-soaring [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf 
Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 3:15 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

LOL! I think you'll find that adding the Voodoo sciences is fairly recent so 
that the mediocre don't feel too left out. aka "political correctness". Shows 
the problems of letting an organisation like the NSF define itself. It appears 
to be a US Federal government body which doles out federal taxpayer funding to 
universities and a few other bodies. OF COURSE they'll be as inclusive as 
possible. Helps get more money by creating larger pressure groups.

I remember only a couple of years ago STEM generally was taken to mean Science, 
Technology, Engineering, Mathematics and social and political science didn't 
count.


I make a small exception for psychology in that there is a legitimate part of 
it that deals with human perception/reaction aka human factors research which 
is what science/science fiction Jerry Pournelle did at Boeing back in the 
1950s. There was even a TV series back in the late 50s about that sort of 
thing, "The Man and the Challenge". It is on youtube.

Mike

At 02:02 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/related;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_001B_01D2DECD.7D28BF10"
Content-Language: en-au

The National Science Foundation (NSF) definition of STEM fields includes 
mathematics, natural sciences, engineering, computer and information sciences, 
and the social and behavioral sciences – psychology, ecoonomics, sociology, and 
political science.

From: Aus-soaring [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf 
Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 1:27 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

Most aircraft designs are built in total numbers smaller than what a car 
manufacturer would put through the production line to debug the line.

It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do the job.

I'm guessing you've never actually done any engineering or manufactured 
anything. Academic, but not from any STEM fields who can't do physics or maths?

Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll. The vast majority of people in 
this place identify themselves.

Mike


At 10:01 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:

>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost $300,000 or more? Most cars costing 
>>more than say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is not just a cheap plastic 
>>moulding. It does not cost $50,000 extra to do that. A wheelbarrow handle is 
>>designed to be held like 'this'… and an aircraft ccontrol column is designed 
>>too 

Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

[Mike Borgelt]

"DMcD"  who or whatever he/she/it  is. The only 
other recently seemed to be "Teal".


 Everyone else seems to notice that people use 
their real names and go along with that.



Mike

At 05:29 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-AU
Content-Type: multipart/related;

boundary="_004_ME1PR01MB09459CB78105637A3D691CB4BBCB0ME1PR01MB0945ausp_";
type="multipart/alternative"

Just out of interest who is posting under a pseudonym

Justin Sinclair
17 Queen St
Scarborough Qld

0421061811

Sent from my iPad

On 6 Jun 2017, at 5:26 pm, Mike Borgelt 
<<mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> 
wrote:



Sounds much like "Air America" by Christopher Robbins.

At one time the CIA allegedly owned so many 
airlines and aircraft and had confused the 
issue so well, the boss couldn't find out exactly how many aircraft they owned.


If you have a Callair towplane,  it was built 
by Intermountain Air which at one time was a CIA front.



Mike




At 04:26 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/related;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_002D_01D2DEE1.A4F652A0"
Content-Language: en-au

Yeah,
The NSF have plenty of dash err cash!
Take for example the IceCube Neutrino 
Observatory located at the Amundsen-Scott 
South Pole Station, built over the years 2005 
– 2010, and estimated to have cost $229 
million. JJust getting the parts (including 
those for the -hot water - drilling rig), to 
the site kept their own private airline 
busy  for  years. God only knows what else 
this fleet does, or where it does it!


Gary
PS As an aside,  google “murder at the south 
pole” re the death of Rodney Marks. What is 
of major interest  is that although  New 
Zealand has legal jurisdiction here, the NSF 
was very easily able to gag the NZ 
investigator, and also spirit Marks’ body away: handy having you own fleet.


From: Aus-soaring [ 
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 3:15 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

LOL! I think you'll find that adding the 
Voodoo sciences is fairly recent so that the 
mediocre don't feel too left out. aka 
"political correctness". Shows the problems of 
letting an organisation like the NSF define 
itself. It appears to be a US Federal 
government body which doles out federal 
taxpayer funding to universities and a few 
other bodies. OF COURSE they'll be as 
inclusive as possible. Helps get more money by creating larger pressure groups.


I remember only a couple of years ago STEM 
generally was taken to mean Science, 
Technology, Engineering, Mathematics and 
social and political science didn't count.



I make a small exception for psychology in 
that there is a legitimate part of it that 
deals with human perception/reaction aka human 
factors research which is what science/science 
fiction Jerry Pournelle did at Boeing back in 
the 1950s. There was even a TV series back in 
the late 50s about that sort of thing, "The 
Man and the Challenge". It is on youtube.


Mike

At 02:02 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/related;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_001B_01D2DECD.7D28BF10"
Content-Language: en-au

The National Science Foundation (NSF) 
definition of STEM fields includes 
mathematics, natural sciences, engineering, 
computer and information sciences, and the 
social and behavioral sciences – psychology, 
ecoonomics, sociology, and political science.


From: Aus-soaring [ 
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 1:27 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

Most aircraft designs are built in total 
numbers smaller than what a car manufacturer 
would put through the production line to debug the line.


It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do the job.

I'm guessing you've never actually done any 
engineering or manufactured anything. 
Academic, but not from any STEM fields who can't do physics or maths?


Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll. 
The vast majority of people in this place identify themselves.


Mike


At 10:01 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:

>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost 
$300,000 or more? Most cars costing more than 
say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is not 
just a cheap plastic moulding. It does not 
cost $50,000 extra to do that. A wheelbarrow 
handle is designed to be held like 'this'… 
and an aircraft ccontrol column is designed 
too be held like 'that'… diffeerent 
ergonomics. One is dessigned to be gripped 
hard and the other should not be. If you 
don't get the difference, have a look at the 
grip shape on any low-cost computer joysti

Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

[Justin Sinclair]

Just out of interest who is posting under a pseudonym

Justin Sinclair
17 Queen St
Scarborough Qld

0421061811

Sent from my iPad

On 6 Jun 2017, at 5:26 pm, Mike Borgelt 
mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>> wrote:

Sounds much like "Air America" by Christopher Robbins.

At one time the CIA allegedly owned so many airlines and aircraft and had 
confused the issue so well, the boss couldn't find out exactly how many 
aircraft they owned.

If you have a Callair towplane,  it was built by Intermountain Air which at one 
time was a CIA front.


Mike




At 04:26 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:
Content-Type: multipart/related;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_002D_01D2DEE1.A4F652A0"
Content-Language: en-au

Yeah,
The NSF have plenty of dash err cash!
Take for example the IceCube Neutrino Observatory located at the Amundsen-Scott 
South Pole Station, built over the years 2005 – 2010, and estimated to have 
cost $229 million. Just getting the parts (including those for the -hot water - 
drilling rig), to the site kept their own private airline busy  for  years. God 
only knows what else this fleet does, or where it does it!

Gary
PS As an aside,  google “murder at the south pole” re the death of Rodney 
Marks. What is of major interest  is that although  New Zealand has legal 
jurisdiction here, the NSF was very easily able to gag the NZ investigator, and 
also spirit Marks’ body away: handy having you own fleet.

From: Aus-soaring [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf 
Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 3:15 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

LOL! I think you'll find that adding the Voodoo sciences is fairly recent so 
that the mediocre don't feel too left out. aka "political correctness". Shows 
the problems of letting an organisation like the NSF define itself. It appears 
to be a US Federal government body which doles out federal taxpayer funding to 
universities and a few other bodies. OF COURSE they'll be as inclusive as 
possible. Helps get more money by creating larger pressure groups.

I remember only a couple of years ago STEM generally was taken to mean Science, 
Technology, Engineering, Mathematics and social and political science didn't 
count.


I make a small exception for psychology in that there is a legitimate part of 
it that deals with human perception/reaction aka human factors research which 
is what science/science fiction Jerry Pournelle did at Boeing back in the 
1950s. There was even a TV series back in the late 50s about that sort of 
thing, "The Man and the Challenge". It is on youtube.

Mike

At 02:02 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/related;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_001B_01D2DECD.7D28BF10"
Content-Language: en-au

The National Science Foundation (NSF) definition of STEM fields includes 
mathematics, natural sciences, engineering, computer and information sciences, 
and the social and behavioral sciences – psychology, economics, sociology, and 
political science.

From: Aus-soaring [ <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au> 
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 1:27 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

Most aircraft designs are built in total numbers smaller than what a car 
manufacturer would put through the production line to debug the line.

It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do the job.

I'm guessing you've never actually done any engineering or manufactured 
anything. Academic, but not from any STEM fields who can't do physics or maths?

Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll. The vast majority of people in 
this place identify themselves.

Mike


At 10:01 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:

>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost $300,000 or more? Most cars costing 
>>more than say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is not just a cheap plastic 
>>moulding. It does not cost $50,000 extra to do that. A wheelbarrow handle is 
>>designed to be held like 'this'… and an aircraft ccontrol column is designed 
>>to be held like 'that'… diffeerent ergonomics. One is designed to be gripped 
>>hard and the other should not be. If you don't get the difference, have a 
>>look at the grip shape on any low-cost computer joystick. It does not look 
>>anything like a wheelbarrow or bicycle handle. As Macca points out, you can 
>>use the handle from a ski stock or a Norwegian walking stick or whatever they 
>>are called. At least they're designed to be held like 'that'. D 
>>___ Aus-soaring mailing list 
>>Aus-soaring@lists.base64.co

Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

[Mike Borgelt]

Sounds much like "Air America" by Christopher Robbins.

At one time the CIA allegedly owned so many 
airlines and aircraft and had confused the issue 
so well, the boss couldn't find out exactly how many aircraft they owned.


If you have a Callair towplane,  it was built by 
Intermountain Air which at one time was a CIA front.



Mike




At 04:26 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/related;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_002D_01D2DEE1.A4F652A0"
Content-Language: en-au

Yeah,
The NSF have plenty of dash err cash!
Take for example the IceCube Neutrino 
Observatory located at the Amundsen-Scott South 
Pole Station, built over the years 2005 – 2010, 
and estimated to have cost $229 million. Just 
getting the parts (including those for the -hot 
water - drilling rig), to the site kept their 
own private airline busy  for  years. God only 
knows what else this fleet does, or where it does it!


Gary
PS As an aside,  google “murder at the south 
pole” re the death of Rodney Marks. What is of 
major interest  is that although  New Zealand 
has legal jurisdiction here, the NSF was very 
easily able to gag the NZ investigator, and also 
spirit Marks’ body away: handy having you own fleet.


From: Aus-soaring 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 3:15 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

LOL! I think you'll find that adding the Voodoo 
sciences is fairly recent so that the mediocre 
don't feel too left out. aka "political 
correctness". Shows the problems of letting an 
organisation like the NSF define itself. It 
appears to be a US Federal government body which 
doles out federal taxpayer funding to 
universities and a few other bodies. OF COURSE 
they'll be as inclusive as possible. Helps get 
more money by creating larger pressure groups.


I remember only a couple of years ago STEM 
generally was taken to mean Science, Technology, 
Engineering, Mathematics and social and political science didn't count.



I make a small exception for psychology in that 
there is a legitimate part of it that deals with 
human perception/reaction aka human factors 
research which is what science/science fiction 
Jerry Pournelle did at Boeing back in the 1950s. 
There was even a TV series back in the late 50s 
about that sort of thing, "The Man and the Challenge". It is on youtube.


Mike

At 02:02 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/related;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_001B_01D2DECD.7D28BF10"
Content-Language: en-au

The National Science Foundation (NSF) definition 
of STEM fields includes mathematics, natural 
sciences, engineering, computer and information 
sciences, and the social and behavioral sciences 
– psychology, economics, sociology, and political science.


From: Aus-soaring [ 
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 1:27 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

Most aircraft designs are built in total numbers 
smaller than what a car manufacturer would put 
through the production line to debug the line.


It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do the job.

I'm guessing you've never actually done any 
engineering or manufactured anything. Academic, 
but not from any STEM fields who can't do physics or maths?


Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll. The 
vast majority of people in this place identify themselves.


Mike


At 10:01 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:

>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost 
$300,000 or more? Most cars costing more than 
say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is not 
just a cheap plastic moulding. It does not cost 
$50,000 extra to do that. A wheelbarrow handle 
is designed to be held like 'this'… and an 
aircraft ccontrol column is designed to be held 
like 'that'… diffeerent ergonomics. One is 
designed to be gripped hard and the other 
should not be. If you don't get the difference, 
have a look at the grip shape on any low-cost 
computer joystick. It does not look anything 
like a wheelbarrow or bicycle handle. As Macca 
points out, you can use the handle from a ski 
stock or a Norwegian walking stick or whatever 
they are called. At least they're designed to 
be held like 'that'. D 
___ 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

[Gary Stevenson]

Yeah,

The NSF have plenty of dash err cash!

Take for example the IceCube Neutrino Observatory located at the
Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, built over the years 2005 - 2010, and
estimated to have cost $229 million. Just getting the parts (including those
for the -hot water - drilling rig), to the site kept their own private
airline busy  for  years. God only knows what else this fleet does, or where
it does it!

 

Gary

PS As an aside,  google "murder at the south pole" re the death of Rodney
Marks. What is of major interest  is that although  New Zealand has legal
jurisdiction here, the NSF was very easily able to gag the NZ investigator,
and also spirit Marks' body away: handy having you own fleet.

 

From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf
Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 3:15 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

 

LOL! I think you'll find that adding the Voodoo sciences is fairly recent so
that the mediocre don't feel too left out. aka "political correctness".
Shows the problems of letting an organisation like the NSF define itself. It
appears to be a US Federal government body which doles out federal taxpayer
funding to universities and a few other bodies. OF COURSE they'll be as
inclusive as possible. Helps get more money by creating larger pressure
groups.

I remember only a couple of years ago STEM generally was taken to mean
Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics and social and political
science didn't count.


I make a small exception for psychology in that there is a legitimate part
of it that deals with human perception/reaction aka human factors research
which is what science/science fiction Jerry Pournelle did at Boeing back in
the 1950s. There was even a TV series back in the late 50s about that sort
of thing, "The Man and the Challenge". It is on youtube.

Mike

At 02:02 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:



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 boundary="=_NextPart_000_001B_01D2DECD.7D28BF10"
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The National Science Foundation (NSF) definition of STEM fields includes
mathematics, natural sciences, engineering, computer and information
sciences, and the social and behavioral sciences - psychology, economics,
sociology, and political science.
 
From: Aus-soaring [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au
<mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au> ] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 1:27 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles
 
Most aircraft designs are built in total numbers smaller than what a car
manufacturer would put through the production line to debug the line.

It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do the job.

I'm guessing you've never actually done any engineering or manufactured
anything. Academic, but not from any STEM fields who can't do physics or
maths?

Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll. The vast majority of people in
this place identify themselves.

Mike


At 10:01 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:

>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost $300,000 or more? Most cars costing
more than say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is not just a cheap plastic
moulding. It does not cost $50,000 extra to do that. A wheelbarrow handle is
designed to be held like 'this'. and an aircraft ccontrol column is designed
to be held like 'that'. diffeerent ergonomics. One is designed to be gripped
hard and the other should not be. If you don't get the difference, have a
look at the grip shape on any low-cost computer joystick. It does not look
anything like a wheelbarrow or bicycle handle. As Macca points out, you can
use the handle from a ski stock or a Norwegian walking stick or whatever
they are called. At least they're designed to be held like 'that'. D
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

[Mike Borgelt]

LOL! I think you'll find that adding the Voodoo 
sciences is fairly recent so that the mediocre 
don't feel too left out. aka "political 
correctness". Shows the problems of letting an 
organisation like the NSF define itself. It 
appears to be a US Federal government body which 
doles out federal taxpayer funding to 
universities and a few other bodies. OF COURSE 
they'll be as inclusive as possible. Helps get 
more money by creating larger pressure groups.


I remember only a couple of years ago STEM 
generally was taken to mean Science, Technology, 
Engineering, Mathematics and social and political science didn't count.



I make a small exception for psychology in that 
there is a legitimate part of it that deals with 
human perception/reaction aka human factors 
research which is what science/science fiction 
Jerry Pournelle did at Boeing back in the 1950s. 
There was even a TV series back in the late 50s 
about that sort of thing, "The Man and the Challenge". It is on youtube.


Mike

At 02:02 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/related;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_001B_01D2DECD.7D28BF10"
Content-Language: en-au

The National Science Foundation (NSF) definition 
of STEM fields includes mathematics, natural 
sciences, engineering, computer and information 
sciences, and the social and behavioral sciences 
– psychology, economics, sociology, and political science.


From: Aus-soaring 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 1:27 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

Most aircraft designs are built in total numbers 
smaller than what a car manufacturer would put 
through the production line to debug the line.


It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do the job.

I'm guessing you've never actually done any 
engineering or manufactured anything. Academic, 
but not from any STEM fields who can't do physics or maths?


Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll. The 
vast majority of people in this place identify themselves.


Mike


At 10:01 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:

>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost 
$300,000 or more? Most cars costing more than 
say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is not 
just a cheap plastic moulding. It does not cost 
$50,000 extra to do that. A wheelbarrow handle 
is designed to be held like 'this'… and an 
aircraft ccontrol column is designed to be held 
like 'that'… diffeerent ergonomics. One is 
designed to be gripped hard and the other 
should not be. If you don't get the difference, 
have a look at the grip shape on any low-cost 
computer joystick. It does not look anything 
like a wheelbarrow or bicycle handle. As Macca 
points out, you can use the handle from a ski 
stock or a Norwegian walking stick or whatever 
they are called. At least they're designed to 
be held like 'that'. D 
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