RE: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

[Alan Wilson]

Mitch,

There are many options depending on what you want to do.

PDA, preferably with internal GPS.  Mitac Mio 350/550 or Mio A701
include GPS, PDA, triband phone, but will blow your budget.

Without GPS, ipaq 4700 was good, but out of production, and required
external GPS, a pain! So would HP 2490, 2790, 2110, 1950, 1710, and they
have a silly little proprietary plug for data and power [but the HP plug
is almost a standard].  The GPS would consume the SDIO or . Slot so
external/additional memory card may be a problem.

Software,  GPS_LOG, XCSoar are quite good, and FREE [just Google].
SeeU/Winpilot and others cost several hundred dollars.  [Powered pilots
should check out FREE PocketFMS, it downloads ERSA, airspace, weather,
and flight plans then is simple and useful in the cockpit]

I use a HP 6515 as my phone, PDA, camera and internal GPS: but the
screen is too small for most software, and the micro QWERTY keyboard is
a waste of space, and an old eye test, and needs 5 volts.  [But I only
carry the one toy HP 6515, and it is almost indispensable to me]

Logging.  PDA and the above software will produce IGC files but not to
FAI requirements.  But good enough for bar talk, or your O/O [maybe]

Voltage, they are all 5 volts and could contain some smarts [i.e. don't
take 5V DC?? Not sure??]

Aircraft [Garmin] type GPS are useful but don't calculate Macready,
final glides around turnpoints, and don't log [to IGC??]

So designers: what we want is a large screen [at least Ipaq 4700 size],
internal GPS essential, plenty of internal memory, able to take 24 [30?]
volt DC, USB or mini USB connection, a memory card, touch screen
functionality and we don't need a keyboard.

Mitch, the Jantar has a 12 v cigarette lighter and RAM mount [I put it
there].  Other club gliders don't have power available.


Alan Wilson
Ph 02 62316404 or Mobile 0416 231641 


PS. Most glider radio problems are low voltage.  Radio's fail below
about 10.5 volts and we start with 12 volts.  If gliders started with 24
volts, and instrument power supplies were designed for it most glider
battery problems would be solved.

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Groutings forum,

I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500.  
What makes and models may be recommended by your good selves?

Sandshoe fairy mulch,

Mitch Preston.

  
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Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

[cubley]

Adelaide Soaring Club has equipped all club gliders with Flarm, and many of 
the private gliders are also equipped, with growing interest from the 
others. It clearly points out all of the gliders that you have already seen, 
but also alerts you to focus a little more to see the gliders that you had 
previously missed. A great support/aid to a good lookout. 

The international Gliding Commission is likely to approve the use of 
non-approved recorders (which will probably include Flarm) for badge flights 
up to and including Gold C. This will take place next March with 
implementation in October 2007. If the non approved device does not have 
height recording then you would need to carry a barograph also. 

Terry 



David Lawley writes: 



"once you have 2 gliders with FLARM" 


Agreed Scott, however here in SA there are very few FLARMS I know of (in
fact none: Waikerie, AUGC and Balaklava do not have them, not sure about
others) and WGC has not decided to buy any as yet. 


Not much point in being the only glider in the state to have one eh? Hence
my statement! 


 I guess it varies from state to state, so what applies here may not be the
case elsewhere, something I should perhaps have mentioned. 


There may be a point that most gliders have them, they then will become very
useful 


If FLARM were to have an IGC approved logger it would really make it very
worthwhile to buy though-is this possible? 


To avoid any confusion I do think FLARM is a great idea, and would like to
see all gliders have them, however until they do it will be the glider
without one that will get you if you don't continue to keep a good lookout! 



Regards 

Dave L 


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Some excellent advice here David, except: 


On 08/11/2006, at 13:11, David Lawley wrote:
A flarm alone will blow your budget, without PDA etc, and is next  
to useless
for collision avoidance unless ALL other gliders have one. They are  
easily
fitted with Velcro to the top of instrument panels if a temporary  
setup in a

club ship is required (Plenty of this happened at the Gawler Nats last
year), needing only a 12 volt supply to function.


Just statistically, once you have 2 gliders with FLARM, every extra  
one reduces collision risk.
It is quite incorrect to say that all gliders need one to be useful. 

I flew this weekend in Raywood with 20 to 30 gliders. I have no idea  
how many had FLARM, I would guess less than 10 - and it was very  
successful at picking up and warning of gliders approaching that also  
had a FLARM - even in that very limited sense, with less than a 1/3  
coverage I was getting useful and extra protection that enhanced my  
lookout - and not inconsiderably. 

Beyond just the statistics, and the extreme view that it would be  
useless unless ALL were fitted is the fact that all aircraft will  
never be fitted with the same system (well not never, but not in the  
next 10, probably 20 years) - e.g. Light aircraft, ultralights,  
balloons - so even if all gliders were fitted (and bring them on -  
they are an excellent addition) - you still must have lookout, and it  
will not be total protection, just bonus extra. 

Gliding Club of Victoria has now joined the ranks of other clubs to  
fit out the entire fleet - including tugs. 


Scott
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RE: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

[Richard Neale]

Does the insurer offer any premium reduction when FLARM is fitted in a
glider?

Richard.

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Adelaide Soaring Club in SA now has all club gliders fitted with FLARM and 
is in the process of installing them in the tugs. Most of the money for them

was raised by asking for donations from club members. There are 5 private 
gliders that also have them fitted.

Funny story - A pilot brought one over from WA to the last Nationals and 
only then found out it wasn't working properly as there was no other FLARM 
in WA to link up with.

Sort of sad and lonely really.

Philip Ritchie



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Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

[Philip Ritchie]

Adelaide Soaring Club in SA now has all club gliders fitted with FLARM and 
is in the process of installing them in the tugs. Most of the money for them 
was raised by asking for donations from club members. There are 5 private 
gliders that also have them fitted.


Funny story - A pilot brought one over from WA to the last Nationals and 
only then found out it wasn't working properly as there was no other FLARM 
in WA to link up with.


Sort of sad and lonely really.

Philip Ritchie


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"once you have 2 gliders with FLARM"

Agreed Scott, however here in SA there are very few FLARMS I know of (in
fact none: Waikerie, AUGC and Balaklava do not have them, not sure about
others) and WGC has not decided to buy any as yet.

Not much point in being the only glider in the state to have one eh? Hence
my statement!

I guess it varies from state to state, so what applies here may not be the
case elsewhere, something I should perhaps have mentioned.

There may be a point that most gliders have them, they then will become 
very

useful

If FLARM were to have an IGC approved logger it would really make it very
worthwhile to buy though-is this possible?

To avoid any confusion I do think FLARM is a great idea, and would like to
see all gliders have them, however until they do it will be the glider
without one that will get you if you don't continue to keep a good 
lookout!



Regards

Dave L




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E: [Aus-soaring] GPS units -Flarm approvals

[nandrews]

Hi All,

Probably a good time to mention a few things. The FAI are looking at
approving cots devices ( which includes flarm ) for badge flying, or at
least have agreed to start looking at using them - Terry Cubley attended
that meeting and the minutes are on the GFA site or links to FAI.

Ozflarms were used extensively as back up loggers ( not it's primary design
use ) for both the QLD State comps and the nationals - some including myself
would have scored zero if we hadn't have had them. My trusty black box lost
GPS lock on one day only - cause unknown but it has never happened to me in
11 years of using it!

200 ozflarms now in operation around Australia and the next 50 are pre sold
when they are built - thanks largely to 2 Victorian clubs so the uptake in
the Southern states has been good this year. As near as I can tell there are
now 40 Non Ozflarm flarms ( i.e imports from overseas ) which could make the
total real soon to nearly 300 Oz wide.

Some of the G.A guys are trialing units who fly into gliding airfields so
those results look promising and this Friday we will be trialing some
external aerials  for tugs ( on a tug ) to improve detection.

Flarm Technology in Switzerland continue to improve the product mainly in
the software ( Version 3.02 is the current version ) and there are now
several OEM suppliers of flarm based product in Europe. As you know RF
Developments uses the core technology so any improvements are passed on to
our Australian customers and all units are 100% compatable.

Cheers all.

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There are 17 in S.A , most of them at Gawler.

Nigel


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"once you have 2 gliders with FLARM"

Agreed Scott, however here in SA there are very few FLARMS I know of (in
fact none: Waikerie, AUGC and Balaklava do not have them, not sure about
others) and WGC has not decided to buy any as yet.

Not much point in being the only glider in the state to have one eh? Hence
my statement!

 I guess it varies from state to state, so what applies here may not be the
case elsewhere, something I should perhaps have mentioned.

There may be a point that most gliders have them, they then will become very
useful

If FLARM were to have an IGC approved logger it would really make it very
worthwhile to buy though-is this possible?

To avoid any confusion I do think FLARM is a great idea, and would like to
see all gliders have them, however until they do it will be the glider
without one that will get you if you don't continue to keep a good lookout!


Regards

Dave L

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Some excellent advice here David, except:

On 08/11/2006, at 13:11, David Lawley wrote:
> A flarm alone will blow your budget, without PDA etc, and is next  
> to useless
> for collision avoidance unless ALL other gliders have one. They are  
> easily
> fitted with Velcro to the top of instrument panels if a temporary  
> setup in a
> club ship is required (Plenty of this happened at the Gawler Nats last
> year), needing only a 12 volt supply to function.

Just statistically, once you have 2 gliders with FLARM, every extra  
one reduces collision risk.
It is quite incorrect to say that all gliders need one to be useful.

I flew this weekend in Raywood with 20 to 30 gliders. I have no idea  
how many had FLARM, I would guess less than 10 - and it was very  
successful at picking up and warning of gliders approaching that also  
had a FLARM - even in that very limited sense, with less than a 1/3  
coverage I was ge

E: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

[nandrews]

There are 17 in S.A , most of them at Gawler.

Nigel


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Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...


"once you have 2 gliders with FLARM"

Agreed Scott, however here in SA there are very few FLARMS I know of (in
fact none: Waikerie, AUGC and Balaklava do not have them, not sure about
others) and WGC has not decided to buy any as yet.

Not much point in being the only glider in the state to have one eh? Hence
my statement!

 I guess it varies from state to state, so what applies here may not be the
case elsewhere, something I should perhaps have mentioned.

There may be a point that most gliders have them, they then will become very
useful

If FLARM were to have an IGC approved logger it would really make it very
worthwhile to buy though-is this possible?

To avoid any confusion I do think FLARM is a great idea, and would like to
see all gliders have them, however until they do it will be the glider
without one that will get you if you don't continue to keep a good lookout!


Regards

Dave L

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To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
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Some excellent advice here David, except:

On 08/11/2006, at 13:11, David Lawley wrote:
> A flarm alone will blow your budget, without PDA etc, and is next  
> to useless
> for collision avoidance unless ALL other gliders have one. They are  
> easily
> fitted with Velcro to the top of instrument panels if a temporary  
> setup in a
> club ship is required (Plenty of this happened at the Gawler Nats last
> year), needing only a 12 volt supply to function.

Just statistically, once you have 2 gliders with FLARM, every extra  
one reduces collision risk.
It is quite incorrect to say that all gliders need one to be useful.

I flew this weekend in Raywood with 20 to 30 gliders. I have no idea  
how many had FLARM, I would guess less than 10 - and it was very  
successful at picking up and warning of gliders approaching that also  
had a FLARM - even in that very limited sense, with less than a 1/3  
coverage I was getting useful and extra protection that enhanced my  
lookout - and not inconsiderably.

Beyond just the statistics, and the extreme view that it would be  
useless unless ALL were fitted is the fact that all aircraft will  
never be fitted with the same system (well not never, but not in the  
next 10, probably 20 years) - e.g. Light aircraft, ultralights,  
balloons - so even if all gliders were fitted (and bring them on -  
they are an excellent addition) - you still must have lookout, and it  
will not be total protection, just bonus extra.

Gliding Club of Victoria has now joined the ranks of other clubs to  
fit out the entire fleet - including tugs.

Scott
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RE: [Aus-soaring] Travel through parts of Africa 2

[Anne Elliott]

Hello AJ

Check out ‘Travellers Tales’
on the site. If you’re not happy with what I’ve put, then pls let
me know and I’ll take it off.

All the best, AnneE

 



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Hi Anne

 

I can’t believe
that John is still running Salon Sir in Walvis. That gentleman cut my hair
regularly as a kid! He probably still has all the retro barber gear J

Small world indeed!! 

 

It’s interesting to
see a place I know well from the Aussie perspective!

Must have enjoyed your
trip! No gliding?

 

Probst Café is still a
favourite when I visit!

 

Regards

A.J.

 









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If you know of people who, say, plan to go gliding in
Africa then self-drive through Namibia, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Tanzania, then please
forward www.ourafricansafari.com.au
on to them for some handy hints on accommodation etc.  The site is still
under construction, but should be finished in a couple of week ... once Soaring
Australia etc is out of the way for the December issue. Regards, AnneE

 

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RE: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

[David Lawley]

"once you have 2 gliders with FLARM"

Agreed Scott, however here in SA there are very few FLARMS I know of (in
fact none: Waikerie, AUGC and Balaklava do not have them, not sure about
others) and WGC has not decided to buy any as yet.

Not much point in being the only glider in the state to have one eh? Hence
my statement!

 I guess it varies from state to state, so what applies here may not be the
case elsewhere, something I should perhaps have mentioned.

There may be a point that most gliders have them, they then will become very
useful

If FLARM were to have an IGC approved logger it would really make it very
worthwhile to buy though-is this possible?

To avoid any confusion I do think FLARM is a great idea, and would like to
see all gliders have them, however until they do it will be the glider
without one that will get you if you don't continue to keep a good lookout!


Regards

Dave L

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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

Some excellent advice here David, except:

On 08/11/2006, at 13:11, David Lawley wrote:
> A flarm alone will blow your budget, without PDA etc, and is next  
> to useless
> for collision avoidance unless ALL other gliders have one. They are  
> easily
> fitted with Velcro to the top of instrument panels if a temporary  
> setup in a
> club ship is required (Plenty of this happened at the Gawler Nats last
> year), needing only a 12 volt supply to function.

Just statistically, once you have 2 gliders with FLARM, every extra  
one reduces collision risk.
It is quite incorrect to say that all gliders need one to be useful.

I flew this weekend in Raywood with 20 to 30 gliders. I have no idea  
how many had FLARM, I would guess less than 10 - and it was very  
successful at picking up and warning of gliders approaching that also  
had a FLARM - even in that very limited sense, with less than a 1/3  
coverage I was getting useful and extra protection that enhanced my  
lookout - and not inconsiderably.

Beyond just the statistics, and the extreme view that it would be  
useless unless ALL were fitted is the fact that all aircraft will  
never be fitted with the same system (well not never, but not in the  
next 10, probably 20 years) - e.g. Light aircraft, ultralights,  
balloons - so even if all gliders were fitted (and bring them on -  
they are an excellent addition) - you still must have lookout, and it  
will not be total protection, just bonus extra.

Gliding Club of Victoria has now joined the ranks of other clubs to  
fit out the entire fleet - including tugs.

Scott
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Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

[Scott Penrose]

Some excellent advice here David, except:

On 08/11/2006, at 13:11, David Lawley wrote:
A flarm alone will blow your budget, without PDA etc, and is next  
to useless
for collision avoidance unless ALL other gliders have one. They are  
easily
fitted with Velcro to the top of instrument panels if a temporary  
setup in a

club ship is required (Plenty of this happened at the Gawler Nats last
year), needing only a 12 volt supply to function.


Just statistically, once you have 2 gliders with FLARM, every extra  
one reduces collision risk.

It is quite incorrect to say that all gliders need one to be useful.

I flew this weekend in Raywood with 20 to 30 gliders. I have no idea  
how many had FLARM, I would guess less than 10 - and it was very  
successful at picking up and warning of gliders approaching that also  
had a FLARM - even in that very limited sense, with less than a 1/3  
coverage I was getting useful and extra protection that enhanced my  
lookout - and not inconsiderably.


Beyond just the statistics, and the extreme view that it would be  
useless unless ALL were fitted is the fact that all aircraft will  
never be fitted with the same system (well not never, but not in the  
next 10, probably 20 years) - e.g. Light aircraft, ultralights,  
balloons - so even if all gliders were fitted (and bring them on -  
they are an excellent addition) - you still must have lookout, and it  
will not be total protection, just bonus extra.


Gliding Club of Victoria has now joined the ranks of other clubs to  
fit out the entire fleet - including tugs.


Scott
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RE: [Aus-soaring] Pdas HP iPAQ H5550 $199.95

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All gone... They are trying to source more.   :-(

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Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

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Hi John

the email address of the new colibri agent is :

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards

Chris Runeckles


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Can someone give me an email address for the Collibri agent.

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RE: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

[David Lawley]

Hi All

If you want to stay in budget I would recommend XC Soar on PDA, it works
great for me and is a free download, you may need to contact the developers
to obtain terrain/topology files for your area though.

The option of using a Compact Flash sleeve and CF GPS is OK, however it more
than doubles the thickness of the PDA. Some sleeves can also provide extra
battery capacity, however most replacement L-ion IPAQ batteries are higher
capacity than originals(original 1400mah, new oem 1800mah), mine goes for 5
hours + easily on its own battery(not using backlight), and most Bluetooth
GPS last between 8-9 hours on their own rechargeable L-ion batteries, the
compact flash GPS increases IPAQ power draw to the point of requiring 12V
from the glider power to have enough time for long flights, needing some
cabling, of which the Bluetooth option needs none.

Those of you who use Garmin can obtain the Garmin plug to assemble your own
cable, just go to www.pfranc.com, 2 plugs for $15, and cut up an old PC
serial cable is a lot cheaper than a Garmin cable! There are plenty of
wiring diagrams on this site too!

A flarm alone will blow your budget, without PDA etc, and is next to useless
for collision avoidance unless ALL other gliders have one. They are easily
fitted with Velcro to the top of instrument panels if a temporary setup in a
club ship is required (Plenty of this happened at the Gawler Nats last
year), needing only a 12 volt supply to function. 

Certainly Robert's option is a good one but does go waaay over your budget.

Does anyone know if the Garmin's with barometric altimeter allow the PDA to
do vario functions, and how accurate is a pressure sensor not connected to a
static port, only using cabin pressure? My comparisons of GPS altitude to
altimeter reading seem pretty close.

Another thing I have yet to try is making a suction cup canopy mount from a
sink plunger, another cheap option. Commercial mounts are ludicrously
expensive!

Regards

Dave L

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Mitchell Preston wrote:
> I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500. 
> What makes and models may be recommended by your good selves?
I suggest that you consider a FLARM plus an iPaq running mSeeYou. This 
will not only provide you with an in cockpit GPS system, with final 
glide computer, but also give you the benefit of FLARM (see 
http://www.rf-developments.com/page008.html). This however si really 
only an option if you have your own aircraft as you need to wire the 
FLARM into the power and position it so it is both visible to you and 
the sky (for the GPS aerial and the FLARM aerial).

You can find the wiring diagram for linking a FLARM and an iPaq at my 
mobile SeeYou pages (see 
http://www.hart.wattle.id.au/alice/gliding/UsingmSeeYou.html).

This will break your budget, but it does, I believe, provide the best 
possible system.

If you are looking just for a basic GPS, I strongly recommend that you 
buy one with a barometric altimeter. I have just purchased a Garmin Geko 
301. This is quite usable by itself (don't forget to buy the cable to 
ling the unit to your PC so you can transfer data around) but I also use 
it with my iPaq when XC coaching in our club 2 seaters (I have made up a 
harness that plugs into the glider battery and then the glider systems 
plug into it).

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Can someone give me an email address for the Collibri agent.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

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Mitchell Preston wrote:
I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500. 
What makes and models may be recommended by your good selves?
I suggest that you consider a FLARM plus an iPaq running mSeeYou. This 
will not only provide you with an in cockpit GPS system, with final 
glide computer, but also give you the benefit of FLARM (see 
http://www.rf-developments.com/page008.html). This however si really 
only an option if you have your own aircraft as you need to wire the 
FLARM into the power and position it so it is both visible to you and 
the sky (for the GPS aerial and the FLARM aerial).


You can find the wiring diagram for linking a FLARM and an iPaq at my 
mobile SeeYou pages (see 
http://www.hart.wattle.id.au/alice/gliding/UsingmSeeYou.html).


This will break your budget, but it does, I believe, provide the best 
possible system.


If you are looking just for a basic GPS, I strongly recommend that you 
buy one with a barometric altimeter. I have just purchased a Garmin Geko 
301. This is quite usable by itself (don't forget to buy the cable to 
ling the unit to your PC so you can transfer data around) but I also use 
it with my iPaq when XC coaching in our club 2 seaters (I have made up a 
harness that plugs into the glider battery and then the glider systems 
plug into it).


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RE: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

[Derek Ruddock]

There is need to bother with add on GPS units with a PDA: there are
several PDA's available with built in GPS. Just drop See You Mobile on
it and away you go.

They have the added advantage of being able to be used as a GPS with
mapping software in your car, and are tax deductible if you need a PDA
for work related purposes.

Eg MIO P350  around $545 and 550 (same, with Bluetooth and wifi). $745
Comes with suction mount and car power plug
Imate PDA $490 (but I don't know if this includes mapping software),
again with car mounting kit

Asus 632/636 with car mounting kit

Possibly the IPAQ 6515, although this has the advantage of being a phone
as well, however I understand the mapping software needs a subscription
to a data service




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> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...
> 
> I think the better option is the CompactFlash sleeve with the
CompactFlash
> GPS. I use one with Winpilot on my Ipaq - it's a no-brainer to set up.
> They are readily available on eBay.
> 
> This is possibly an even better option than powering through a
Cambridge
> Logger (Model 20 or 302) as it doesn't use the proprietry plug at the
> bottom of the Ipaq, just the simple power plug slot which is then easy
to
> set up by buying a cigarette lighter charger for your Ipaq which
already
> does the 12v - 5v conversion required.
> 
> For those that fly club gliders, I think this is definately the best
> solution - as long as you are reasonably careful to have the Ipaq
charged
> before you go flying, you can make up an angle bracket with suction
cups
> and a small (3ah) SLA 12v battery fitted which gives you a completely
self
> contained GPS solution that attaches to the canopy requiring no
wiring,
> cables, etc. PDA current draw is quite OK when keeping the device
topped
> up during operation, but actual charging can draw up to an amp.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Nick Gilbert
> Lotus Notes Administrator - Hardy Wines
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If you choose the blue tooth option be sure to always clear running
> programs. Blue tooth wants active sync and that slows the connection
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> to never sometimes.GH
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> 
> If the glider is already fitted with OzFlarm, its GPS and its
barometric
> sensor output works well with XCSoar on a PDA. No need for a GPS
plugin
> for
> the PDA.
> 
> A.J.
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> If its just for soaring, a PDA with GPS pluggin running XCsoar or
Mobile
> SeeYou
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Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

[Nicholas . Gilbert]

I think the better option is the CompactFlash sleeve with the CompactFlash 
GPS. I use one with Winpilot on my Ipaq - it's a no-brainer to set up. 
They are readily available on eBay.

This is possibly an even better option than powering through a Cambridge 
Logger (Model 20 or 302) as it doesn't use the proprietry plug at the 
bottom of the Ipaq, just the simple power plug slot which is then easy to 
set up by buying a cigarette lighter charger for your Ipaq which already 
does the 12v - 5v conversion required. 

For those that fly club gliders, I think this is definately the best 
solution - as long as you are reasonably careful to have the Ipaq charged 
before you go flying, you can make up an angle bracket with suction cups 
and a small (3ah) SLA 12v battery fitted which gives you a completely self 
contained GPS solution that attaches to the canopy requiring no wiring, 
cables, etc. PDA current draw is quite OK when keeping the device topped 
up during operation, but actual charging can draw up to an amp.

Regards,

Nick Gilbert
Lotus Notes Administrator - Hardy Wines





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If you choose the blue tooth option be sure to always clear running 
programs. Blue tooth wants active sync and that slows the connection down 
to never sometimes.GH 
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If the glider is already fitted with OzFlarm, its GPS and its barometric
sensor output works well with XCSoar on a PDA. No need for a GPS plugin 
for
the PDA.

A.J.

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If its just for soaring, a PDA with GPS pluggin running XCsoar or Mobile 
SeeYou

Tom

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> Groutings forum,
>
> I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500. 
What

> makes and models may be recommended by your good selves?
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Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...

[Tom Wilksch]

Same with a compact flash GPS pluggin.  It simply 
wont work unless to stop activesync, because activesync steals the 
comport.
 
Tom

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  If you choose the blue tooth option be sure to always clear running 
  programs. Blue tooth wants active sync and that slows the connection 
  down to never sometimes. 
   
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  If the glider is already fitted with OzFlarm, its GPS and its barometric
sensor output works well with XCSoar on a PDA. No need for a GPS plugin for
the PDA.

A.J.

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If its just for soaring, a PDA with GPS pluggin running XCsoar or Mobile 
SeeYou

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> I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500.  What

> makes and models may be recommended by your good selves?
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If you choose the blue tooth option be sure to always clear running programs. Blue tooth wants active sync and that slows the connection down to never sometimes. 


 


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If the glider is already fitted with OzFlarm, its GPS and its barometric
sensor output works well with XCSoar on a PDA. No need for a GPS plugin for
the PDA.

A.J.

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If its just for soaring, a PDA with GPS pluggin running XCsoar or Mobile 
SeeYou

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> I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500.  What

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[AJ Wesley]

If the glider is already fitted with OzFlarm, its GPS and its barometric
sensor output works well with XCSoar on a PDA. No need for a GPS plugin for
the PDA.

A.J.

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[David Lawley]

Hi all,

I use a Garmin72, available for around $300, and an IPAQ3870 PDA, about $150
on EBAY, but plan to use the IPAQ and a Bluetooth GPS mouse(receiver with
wireless link to PDA) that costs $150 in future, backed up by the Garmin as
a standalone backup nav system.

Good Luck

Dave L

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A few of us at our club have the Garmin GPSMAP76S.
The "S" on the end means it has a barometric sensor.
10,000 track points.
Easy on batteries.
Good map screen.
I use it as a backup GPS to my Cambridge + PDA.

However, Tom's suggestion of PDA with GPS plugin sounds good too.

Regards,
R.
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Groutings forum,

I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500.  
What makes and models may be recommended by your good selves?

Sandshoe fairy mulch,

Mitch Preston.

  
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[Richard Hoskings]

A few of us at our club have the Garmin GPSMAP76S.
The "S" on the end means it has a barometric sensor.
10,000 track points.
Easy on batteries.
Good map screen.
I use it as a backup GPS to my Cambridge + PDA.

However, Tom's suggestion of PDA with GPS plugin sounds good too.

Regards,
R.
Richard Hoskings
DDSC
+61 7 3377 6700 m 0418 745 824
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Groutings forum,

I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500.  
What makes and models may be recommended by your good selves?

Sandshoe fairy mulch,

Mitch Preston.

  
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[Ross McLean]

I use the Garmin GPS III Pilot and it gives me great information in the
cockpit and is easy and logical to use. I also have Cambridge S-Nav/GPS-Nav
and WinPilot on PDA. 
Cheers, ROSS
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Groutings forum,

I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500.  
What makes and models may be recommended by your good selves?

Sandshoe fairy mulch,

Mitch Preston.

  
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[Tom Wilksch]

If its just for soaring, a PDA with GPS pluggin running XCsoar or Mobile 
SeeYou


Tom

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Groutings forum,

I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500.  What 
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Groutings forum,

I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500.  
What makes and models may be recommended by your good selves?


Sandshoe fairy mulch,

Mitch Preston.

 
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