Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379
I got 5500 too. Nice guy. Simon Holding -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 3:25 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 Dave wrote: It would be nice if a way of extracting the altitude/airspeed/total energy data from older varios and mixing it with the GPS NMEA data sentences in the correct format could be found, (As modern varios such as 302/B50/vega etc do) anyone got any ideas guys? I agree, I have been talking to the guys at WinPilot to see if they can do it to support WinPilot Pro from a Cambridge S-Nav but no luck so far. Also emailed Cambridge on the same point but they have failed to respond at all. They probably think we will all upgrade to the 302, (hah). Also bought one of the iPAQ 5550's from the guys advertising on eBAY for $199 yesterday (Pocketronics (02) 9114 9224). It was delivered this morning, brand new in the box. Good service! ROSS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 1:16 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 Hi all, Alan W: Yep, I have seen those AIRIS PDA and they are fine, but as I will use either FLARM or a logger as GPS source, another GPS would be redundant. Road nav would be nice too. They also don't seem to have serial i/o connector, USB only so would be unable to connect to FLARM, Vario or logger without using a serial to Bluetooth adaptor, which may or may not work! At least FLARM and Loggers have a baro pressure sensor, so one isn't relying on just GPS altitude for final glide and thermalling data! It would be nice if a way of extracting the altitude/airspeed/total energy data from older varios and mixing it with the GPS NMEA data sentences in the correct format could be found, (As modern varios such as 302/B50/vega etc do) anyone got any ideas guys? An IGC compatible FLARM/Logger would be great too. Peter B: Geez I didn't realise that guy had more 5500's, he must have got LOTS of them! Wouldn't be a bad option for equipping a club fleet at that price! Does anyone know of somewhere in Aust that sells anti-reflective screen protectors, yes I know that Craggy aero have them, but $15 for a small piece of clear plastic seems a lot! Now using XC soar 5.1.1beta4 and its is great! The developers respond really quickly to bug reports and most feature requests. The excellent efforts of the developers, particularly Scott Penrose and John Wharrington are most appreciated-And they are based in Aus as well! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Wilson Sent: Monday, 6 August 2007 3:17 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 I suggest http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/airis-t620-pda-wi-fi-bluetooth-gps-funct iona lity/ PDA $379 or so. A PDA with GPS inbuilt, Australian road navigation data base as well. But it will load GPS_LOG. XCSOAR etc Alan Wilson Canberra ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Need a Lycoming 0-540 B2b5 Engine
The eTug Syndicate is looking to buy a Lycoming 0-540 B2B5 engine (250 hp) with at least 200 hours before overhaul and a solid history with one LAME for the last 1,000 hours. We, in turn, offer the same model engine, zero timed by Brisbane Aero Engineers, with a 1,000 hours warranty, for $30,000. Any takers? We do not want your prop. Michael Shirley ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379
I've had my 5550 for a couple of years, and it's perfectly readable: much better that some I have seen. If you can get hold of a matt screen protector, the contrast improves by reducing the reflections -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Fisher Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 4:39 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 Simon, How does it look in full sunlight?? Mark From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of simon holding Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 4:31 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 I got 5500 too. Nice guy. Simon Holding -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 3:25 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 Dave wrote: It would be nice if a way of extracting the altitude/airspeed/total energy data from older varios and mixing it with the GPS NMEA data sentences in the correct format could be found, (As modern varios such as 302/B50/vega etc do) anyone got any ideas guys? I agree, I have been talking to the guys at WinPilot to see if they can do it to support WinPilot Pro from a Cambridge S-Nav but no luck so far. Also emailed Cambridge on the same point but they have failed to respond at all. They probably think we will all upgrade to the 302, (hah). Also bought one of the iPAQ 5550's from the guys advertising on eBAY for $199 yesterday (Pocketronics (02) 9114 9224). It was delivered this morning, brand new in the box. Good service! ROSS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 1:16 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 Hi all, Alan W: Yep, I have seen those AIRIS PDA and they are fine, but as I will use either FLARM or a logger as GPS source, another GPS would be redundant. Road nav would be nice too. They also don't seem to have serial i/o connector, USB only so would be unable to connect to FLARM, Vario or logger without using a serial to Bluetooth adaptor, which may or may not work! At least FLARM and Loggers have a baro pressure sensor, so one isn't relying on just GPS altitude for final glide and thermalling data! It would be nice if a way of extracting the altitude/airspeed/total energy data from older varios and mixing it with the GPS NMEA data sentences in the correct format could be found, (As modern varios such as 302/B50/vega etc do) anyone got any ideas guys? An IGC compatible FLARM/Logger would be great too. Peter B: Geez I didn't realise that guy had more 5500's, he must have got LOTS of them! Wouldn't be a bad option for equipping a club fleet at that price! Does anyone know of somewhere in Aust that sells anti-reflective screen protectors, yes I know that Craggy aero have them, but $15 for a small piece of clear plastic seems a lot! Now using XC soar 5.1.1beta4 and its is great! The developers respond really quickly to bug reports and most feature requests. The excellent efforts of the developers, particularly Scott Penrose and John Wharrington are most appreciated-And they are based in Aus as well! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Wilson Sent: Monday, 6 August 2007 3:17 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 I suggest http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/airis-t620-pda-wi-fi-bluetooth-gps-funct iona lity/ PDA $379 or so. A PDA with GPS inbuilt, Australian road navigation data base as well. But it will load GPS_LOG. XCSOAR etc Alan Wilson Canberra ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379
Mark. I have had one for about 4 years (I think). Have a matt screen protector on. Impossible to read with the green terrain, but if you get rid of the contour stuff and have a light colored background, then it works great. Bear in mind, these things retailed for $1200 when they first came out, so I thought a spare for $200 was great. A mate of mine warned me not to use the fingerprint id bizzo, coz it will lock you out for sure if you work with your hands (as I did at the time). Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Fisher Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 4:09 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 Simon, How does it look in full sunlight?? Mark _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of simon holding Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 4:31 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 I got 5500 too. Nice guy. Simon Holding -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 3:25 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 Dave wrote: It would be nice if a way of extracting the altitude/airspeed/total energy data from older varios and mixing it with the GPS NMEA data sentences in the correct format could be found, (As modern varios such as 302/B50/vega etc do) anyone got any ideas guys? I agree, I have been talking to the guys at WinPilot to see if they can do it to support WinPilot Pro from a Cambridge S-Nav but no luck so far. Also emailed Cambridge on the same point but they have failed to respond at all. They probably think we will all upgrade to the 302, (hah). Also bought one of the iPAQ 5550's from the guys advertising on eBAY for $199 yesterday (Pocketronics (02) 9114 9224). It was delivered this morning, brand new in the box. Good service! ROSS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 1:16 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 Hi all, Alan W: Yep, I have seen those AIRIS PDA and they are fine, but as I will use either FLARM or a logger as GPS source, another GPS would be redundant. Road nav would be nice too. They also don't seem to have serial i/o connector, USB only so would be unable to connect to FLARM, Vario or logger without using a serial to Bluetooth adaptor, which may or may not work! At least FLARM and Loggers have a baro pressure sensor, so one isn't relying on just GPS altitude for final glide and thermalling data! It would be nice if a way of extracting the altitude/airspeed/total energy data from older varios and mixing it with the GPS NMEA data sentences in the correct format could be found, (As modern varios such as 302/B50/vega etc do) anyone got any ideas guys? An IGC compatible FLARM/Logger would be great too. Peter B: Geez I didn't realise that guy had more 5500's, he must have got LOTS of them! Wouldn't be a bad option for equipping a club fleet at that price! Does anyone know of somewhere in Aust that sells anti-reflective screen protectors, yes I know that Craggy aero have them, but $15 for a small piece of clear plastic seems a lot! Now using XC soar 5.1.1beta4 and its is great! The developers respond really quickly to bug reports and most feature requests. The excellent efforts of the developers, particularly Scott Penrose and John Wharrington are most appreciated-And they are based in Aus as well! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Wilson Sent: Monday, 6 August 2007 3:17 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 I suggest http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/airis-t620-pda-wi-fi-bluetooth-gps-funct iona lity/ PDA $379 or so. A PDA with GPS inbuilt, Australian road navigation data base as well. But it will load GPS_LOG. XCSOAR etc Alan Wilson Canberra ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] PDA 5500
Chaps, Have any you connected your PDA 5550 up to a glider gps and if so what connections do you need. I can connect to either a flarm unit, Garmin GPS 12 with serial port or a Cambridge 302. Reg Moore ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA 5500
Take a look at Craggy Aero or Cumulus Soaring websites, they have all the PDA cradles, cables and connectors for just about anything you can imagine. Connecting to your 302 will be the best option as you can then get the full Vario Air Data functionality from WinPilot Pro. http://www.craggyaero.com/ http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/ Cheers, ROSS _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reg Moore Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 6:46 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] PDA 5500 Chaps, Have any you connected your PDA 5550 up to a glider gps and if so what connections do you need. I can connect to either a flarm unit, Garmin GPS 12 with serial port or a Cambridge 302. Reg Moore ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379
Yep I've had mine for years too. Nice unit. Just watch you keep the battery from getting too low inbetween flights -Cath On 07/08/2007, at 4:21 PM, Derek Ruddock wrote: I’ve had my 5550 for a couple of years, and it’s perfectly readable: much better that some I have seen. If you can get hold of a matt screen protector, the contrast improves by reducing the reflections -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Fisher Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 4:39 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 Simon, How does it look in full sunlight?? Mark From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of simon holding Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 4:31 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 I got 5500 too. Nice guy. Simon Holding -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 3:25 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 Dave wrote: It would be nice if a way of extracting the altitude/airspeed/total energy data from older varios and mixing it with the GPS NMEA data sentences in the correct format could be found, (As modern varios such as 302/B50/vega etc do) anyone got any ideas guys? I agree, I have been talking to the guys at WinPilot to see if they can do it to support WinPilot Pro from a Cambridge S-Nav but no luck so far. Also emailed Cambridge on the same point but they have failed to respond at all. They probably think we will all upgrade to the 302, (hah). Also bought one of the iPAQ 5550’s from the guys advertising on eBAY for $199 yesterday (Pocketronics (02) 9114 9224). It was delivered this morning, brand new in the box. Good service! ROSS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 1:16 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 Hi all, Alan W: Yep, I have seen those AIRIS PDA and they are fine, but as I will use either FLARM or a logger as GPS source, another GPS would be redundant. Road nav would be nice too. They also don't seem to have serial i/o connector, USB only so would be unable to connect to FLARM, Vario or logger without using a serial to Bluetooth adaptor, which may or may not work! At least FLARM and Loggers have a baro pressure sensor, so one isn't relying on just GPS altitude for final glide and thermalling data! It would be nice if a way of extracting the altitude/airspeed/total energy data from older varios and mixing it with the GPS NMEA data sentences in the correct format could be found, (As modern varios such as 302/B50/ vega etc do) anyone got any ideas guys? An IGC compatible FLARM/Logger would be great too. Peter B: Geez I didn't realise that guy had more 5500's, he must have got LOTS of them! Wouldn't be a bad option for equipping a club fleet at that price! Does anyone know of somewhere in Aust that sells anti-reflective screen protectors, yes I know that Craggy aero have them, but $15 for a small piece of clear plastic seems a lot! Now using XC soar 5.1.1beta4 and its is great! The developers respond really quickly to bug reports and most feature requests. The excellent efforts of the developers, particularly Scott Penrose and John Wharrington are most appreciated-And they are based in Aus as well! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Wilson Sent: Monday, 6 August 2007 3:17 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IPaq Look-alike with inbuilt GPS. $379 I suggest http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/airis-t620-pda-wi-fi-bluetooth-gps- functiona lity/ PDA $379 or so. A PDA with GPS inbuilt, Australian road navigation data base as well. But it will load GPS_LOG. XCSOAR etc Alan Wilson Canberra ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
[Aus-soaring] PDA GPS
Flew last season in club ships with a bluetooth mouse GPS feeding the PDA, -about $60 on gleebay. Recharge every night, no problems, great 100% backup. Got a solar one for this season, this should eliminate the charging as well. A simple gleebay universal suction mount for the PDA and I can ship-hop with ease. Only downside is my 4700 runs about 3 hours on a charge, not really enough, but OK if I take note of it at the time. Wayne Carter ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS
Details please. What is got a solar one? Do you mean a solar battery charger? Where is this charger - on glider, on hangar? What are the specifications? Price? Have you actually used it yet? If not what do you perceive to be its advantages over a conventional charger, if this is indeed a solar one. You might be interested to know that you can get a Dick Smith kit for under $10 to convert the voltage down from 12v, so that the PDA can run off the glider battery. However make sure that the PDA battery is fully charged before each flight, otherwise the converter gets bloody hot as it is pulling more than 2 amps if the PDA battery is not fully charged. As Murphy is always around, I fabricated a heat-sink from scrap aluminum sheet for the voltage converter to help overcome this problem. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Carter Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 8:52 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS Flew last season in club ships with a bluetooth mouse GPS feeding the PDA, -about $60 on gleebay. Recharge every night, no problems, great 100% backup. Got a solar one for this season, this should eliminate the charging as well. A simple gleebay universal suction mount for the PDA and I can ship-hop with ease. Only downside is my 4700 runs about 3 hours on a charge, not really enough, but OK if I take note of it at the time. Wayne Carter ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/940 - Release Date: 6/08/2007 4:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/940 - Release Date: 6/08/2007 4:53 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] IPAQ Bargain if you're after one!
Hey, adding $120 after paying for the Flash Card and advertisment doesn't sound too bad. Especially if one were to be doing that in bulk. I believe it was my ever astute all knowing boss, also known as a BOFH act-a-like, who pointed out yesterday that upwards of 17000 people in Australia make a living primarily off of Ebay. Amazing really. On 08/08/07, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same item on e bay which includes TomTom GPS navigation for Australia installed @ $320 Yeh saw that too, It seems to be a scam though that's just got an SD flash card with the Tom Tom map and program files on it, there is no included GPS receiver despite the vague description sounding like there is…..This guy is probably just copying the data files from card to card…….5500 and new GPS + software(legal) is not that much dearer. He bought those PDA from the same source as I quoted, for $199 according to the original seller, seems to have just added flash card with data to make $120……Nice earner for him! Dave Same item on e bay which includes TomTom GPS navigation for Australia installed @ $320 2:42 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- There's no better bandwidth then a Terabyte portable HDD and an F/A 18 :) Reddman: brain surgery fascinates me ion: yeah ion: usually they have to be conscious during it ion: to help out ion: does it tickle when I do this? ion: No, but I hear 'born in the USA' playing ion: OK, I'll remove that one ion: thanks ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] solar one
-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:52:19 +1000 From: Wayne Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Flew last season in club ships with a bluetooth mouse GPS feeding the PDA, -about $60 on gleebay. Recharge every night, no problems, great 100% backup. Got a solar one for this season, this should eliminate the charging as well. A simple gleebay universal suction mount for the PDA and I can ship-hop with ease. Only downside is my 4700 runs about 3 hours on a charge, not really enough, but OK if I take note of it at the time. Wayne Carter -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:40:28 +1000 From: Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 Details please. What is got a solar one? Do you mean a solar battery charger? Where is this charger - on glider, on hangar? What are the specifications? Price? Have you actually used it yet? If not what do you perceive to be its advantages over a conventional charger, if this is indeed a solar one. You might be interested to know that you can get a Dick Smith kit for under $10 to convert the voltage down from 12v, so that the PDA can run off the glider battery. However make sure that the PDA battery is fully charged before each flight, otherwise the converter gets bloody hot as it is pulling more than 2 amps if the PDA battery is not fully charged. As Murphy is always around, I fabricated a heat-sink from scrap aluminum sheet for the voltage converter to help overcome this problem. Gary Hi Gary, A solar one is just a mouse style bluetooth gps antenna with inbuilt solar cell for top-up. I have used the unit for a couple of months now, running on the dash of the ol' transit van driving the PDA and Tom Tom navigation - seems to work great, although struggles through a week of no sun (duh). Ebay link- http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-Solar-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver-20-CH-SiRF-Star-III-3_W0QQitemZ190137746533QQihZ009QQcategoryZ34290QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem or a similar unit with a logger (non IGC approved of course) and about double the price. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/i-Blue-PS-757-Bluetooth-GPS-receiver-Solar-Data-Logger_W0QQitemZ110154730519QQihZ001QQcategoryZ129259QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem As I say, I am only using these for backup and running the PDA, but they have both been excellent units so far. I usually carry a volks as well -depends on which glider I am in. Wayne ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA 5500
I shelled out 200 bucks for a Navman sleeve from Dick Smiths. Works fine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reg Moore Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 6:46 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] PDA 5500 Chaps, Have any you connected your PDA 5550 up to a glider gps and if so what connections do you need. I can connect to either a flarm unit, Garmin GPS 12 with serial port or a Cambridge 302. Reg Moore ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS
Hi all, Reg, if you can use the vario as source, then you get the vario data(Airspeed, Altitude and rate of climb fed to the PDA with the GPS signal). The PDA will also display flarm data so ideally the vario GPS signal is sourced from the flarm, fed to the vario with the flarm data included then the vario adds its data and passes on the whole lot to the PDA for display. By the way a 2 seater repeater can be setup via Bluetooth link with XC Soar and presumably WinPilot, so one only needs to supply power to the backseat PDA, and it gets all of the mixed DATA. E-Frontier have a 5 volt regulator in a 12V cigarette lighter plug, with an IPAQ plug and a PS2 GPSIN socket for $19. I have pulled one apart and built into a small jiffy box with the appropriate connectors. Contact me off list Reg and I will be happy to give you a hand with installation, or assemble at cost any type of cable you require. http://www.efrontier.com.au/estore/product_info.php?cPath=2_8 http://www.efrontier.com.au/estore/product_info.php?cPath=2_8products_id=3 0 products_id=30 All you need to do is change the PS2 GPS socket, or make up an adaptor cable from a PS2 plug to whatever GPS data source you want to use. They also have a suitable PS2 mouse GPS mouse for $70, though a flarm or a logger is better as they have a pressure altitude sensor, giving more accurate results. I am in the process of designing an interface box that has on the front 2 GPS inputs for flarm or Garmin or any other and logger, a PDA out and a switch so you can select GPS from flarm or logger.(This is so the logger can connect to the PDA for task declaration, and gives redundancy to the GPS source). If the vario is the GPS source one of the front panel sockets would be used. The commercial boxes I have seen end up a horrible mish mash of serial adaptors when installed. I plan to use all RJ telephone style connectors, and then assemble the appropriate leads. On the rear of the box there is a GPS OUT to vario socket and a GPS IN from vario socket. The idea being that a loop cable can be plugged in to these if a vario is not used. The idea is to mount this in the instrument panel. A useful fact, Volkslogger and Colibri are capable of using the same 6 pin cable, as even though the Colibri has an 8 pin socket the extra 2 pins are Extra power pins, so that the first and last pair on either side of the connector are power, the 6 pin connector only supplies the inner 2 pims but works fine. The excellent John Wharrington pointed out a wireless Bluetooth PDA game controller That can be used to remote control the PDA, mounted on the stick or wherever, costs $80, neat! See here http://www.smartgamepad.com/ To the PFY(Dion), memory card is worth $15, no effort to load, he's still making a packet, and do you think he's paying for the TOMTOM software? It was 70,000 people making a living from EBAY BTW! I have tried to get data out from an L-Nav with no luck, it only has one DATA socket and no GPS is built in so one has to use that input to supply GPS dataG Before you buy Winpilot try XC Soar, its free and support is great! As to the comment on Terrain colours, in XC Soar there are a number of colour styles one can use for terrain, I suggest the ICAO colour scheme. I plan to do up an article for Soaring Australia, with a set of Pinout diagrams for the most common devices, but I need the FLARM pinouts, and the Borgelt pinouts still to complete the set. Finally, spot on Ross the Vario manufacturers have zero motivation to help in this area, they would much rather sell you a new unit. Amusingly I read an ad from an old AG about a common digital vario extolling the fact that it would overcome obsolescence by software updates-which are no longer available! A black box (no display) vario engine is what is really needed To maximize this sort of setup, but I am not holding my breath. One last note, IPAQ's have no backup battery and if charged and left on the charger they do not start charging until the power is disconnected, so that if you leave one fully charged on the charger for say a month it will flatten the battery and lose its data, even though the charger is connected. I strongly suggest you make us of the full backup facility on the PDA when everything is setup, so restoring the PDA is quick and easy. The best bet is to have a timer on the charger that disconnects the power once a day for 5 minutes, then the PDA will charge again.(Great piece of design that)! Finally, does anyone have an up to date Australia.txt airspace file, as the one I have is 2004 vintage, this files defines what airspace is displayed. Phew, sorry guys, that went on a lot longer than I intended! Regards All Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
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Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries
from Dave-(snip) One last note, IPAQ's have no backup battery and if charged and left on the charger they do not start charging until the power is disconnected, so that if you leave one fully charged on the charger for say a month it will flatten the battery and lose its data, even though the charger is connected. I strongly suggest you make us of the full backup facility on the PDA when everything is setup, so restoring the PDA is quick and easy. The best bet is to have a timer on the charger that disconnects the power once a day for 5 minutes, then the PDA will charge again.(Great piece of design that)! (Snip) eh? My 4700 has a good backup battery, goes for weeks with no main battery charge. Perhaps not all Ipaqs are this way? Safe season Wayne ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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HI Wayne, Luckily for you, the quite new (HP)IPAQ 4700 has a backup battery-Older (COMPAQ)IPAQ 36xx,37xx,38xx,50xx do not, so watch out! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Carter Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:16 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries from Dave-(snip) One last note, IPAQ's have no backup battery and if charged and left on the charger they do not start charging until the power is disconnected, so that if you leave one fully charged on the charger for say a month it will flatten the battery and lose its data, even though the charger is connected. I strongly suggest you make us of the full backup facility on the PDA when everything is setup, so restoring the PDA is quick and easy. The best bet is to have a timer on the charger that disconnects the power once a day for 5 minutes, then the PDA will charge again.(Great piece of design that)! (Snip) eh? My 4700 has a good backup battery, goes for weeks with no main battery charge. Perhaps not all Ipaqs are this way? Safe season Wayne ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS
Is this device a switchmode supply, or linear?? Cheers Mark From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:46 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS Hi all, Reg, if you can use the vario as source, then you get the vario data(Airspeed, Altitude and rate of climb fed to the PDA with the GPS signal). The PDA will also display flarm data so ideally the vario GPS signal is sourced from the flarm, fed to the vario with the flarm data included then the vario adds its data and passes on the whole lot to the PDA for display. By the way a 2 seater repeater can be setup via Bluetooth link with XC Soar and presumably WinPilot, so one only needs to supply power to the backseat PDA, and it gets all of the mixed DATA. E-Frontier have a 5 volt regulator in a 12V cigarette lighter plug, with an IPAQ plug and a PS2 GPSIN socket for $19. I have pulled one apart and built into a small jiffy box with the appropriate connectors. Contact me off list Reg and I will be happy to give you a hand with installation, or assemble at cost any type of cable you require. http://www.efrontier.com.au/estore/product_info.php?cPath=2_8products_i d=30 All you need to do is change the PS2 GPS socket, or make up an adaptor cable from a PS2 plug to whatever GPS data source you want to use. They also have a suitable PS2 mouse GPS mouse for $70, though a flarm or a logger is better as they have a pressure altitude sensor, giving more accurate results. I am in the process of designing an interface box that has on the front 2 GPS inputs for flarm or Garmin or any other and logger, a PDA out and a switch so you can select GPS from flarm or logger.(This is so the logger can connect to the PDA for task declaration, and gives redundancy to the GPS source). If the vario is the GPS source one of the front panel sockets would be used. The commercial boxes I have seen end up a horrible mish mash of serial adaptors when installed. I plan to use all RJ telephone style connectors, and then assemble the appropriate leads. On the rear of the box there is a GPS OUT to vario socket and a GPS IN from vario socket. The idea being that a loop cable can be plugged in to these if a vario is not used. The idea is to mount this in the instrument panel. A useful fact, Volkslogger and Colibri are capable of using the same 6 pin cable, as even though the Colibri has an 8 pin socket the extra 2 pins are Extra power pins, so that the first and last pair on either side of the connector are power, the 6 pin connector only supplies the inner 2 pims but works fine. The excellent John Wharrington pointed out a wireless Bluetooth PDA game controller That can be used to remote control the PDA, mounted on the stick or wherever, costs $80, neat! See here http://www.smartgamepad.com/ To the PFY(Dion), memory card is worth $15, no effort to load, he's still making a packet, and do you think he's paying for the TOMTOM software? It was 70,000 people making a living from EBAY BTW! I have tried to get data out from an L-Nav with no luck, it only has one DATA socket and no GPS is built in so one has to use that input to supply GPS dataG Before you buy Winpilot try XC Soar, its free and support is great! As to the comment on Terrain colours, in XC Soar there are a number of colour styles one can use for terrain, I suggest the ICAO colour scheme. I plan to do up an article for Soaring Australia, with a set of Pinout diagrams for the most common devices, but I need the FLARM pinouts, and the Borgelt pinouts still to complete the set. Finally, spot on Ross the Vario manufacturers have zero motivation to help in this area, they would much rather sell you a new unit. Amusingly I read an ad from an old AG about a common digital vario extolling the fact that it would overcome obsolescence by software updates-which are no longer available! A black box (no display) vario engine is what is really needed To maximize this sort of setup, but I am not holding my breath. One last note, IPAQ's have no backup battery and if charged and left on the charger they do not start charging until the power is disconnected, so that if you leave one fully charged on the charger for say a month it will flatten the battery and lose its data, even though the charger is connected. I strongly suggest you make us of the full backup facility on the PDA when everything is setup, so restoring the PDA is quick and easy. The best bet is to have a timer on the charger that disconnects the power once a day for 5 minutes, then the PDA will charge again.(Great piece of design that)! Finally, does anyone have an up to date Australia.txt airspace file, as the one I have is 2004 vintage, this files defines what airspace is displayed. Phew, sorry guys, that went on a lot
Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS
Hi mark, I presume you mean the E-Frontier cable? It's a standard linear 5v regulator, using a 5v IC regulator, so it can get a bit hot on a flat PDA. Dave _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Fisher Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:45 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS Is this device a switchmode supply, or linear?? Cheers Mark _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:46 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS Hi all, Reg, if you can use the vario as source, then you get the vario data(Airspeed, Altitude and rate of climb fed to the PDA with the GPS signal). The PDA will also display flarm data so ideally the vario GPS signal is sourced from the flarm, fed to the vario with the flarm data included then the vario adds its data and passes on the whole lot to the PDA for display. By the way a 2 seater repeater can be setup via Bluetooth link with XC Soar and presumably WinPilot, so one only needs to supply power to the backseat PDA, and it gets all of the mixed DATA. E-Frontier have a 5 volt regulator in a 12V cigarette lighter plug, with an IPAQ plug and a PS2 GPSIN socket for $19. I have pulled one apart and built into a small jiffy box with the appropriate connectors. Contact me off list Reg and I will be happy to give you a hand with installation, or assemble at cost any type of cable you require. http://www.efrontier.com.au/estore/product_info.php?cPath=2_8 http://www.efrontier.com.au/estore/product_info.php?cPath=2_8products_id=3 0 products_id=30 All you need to do is change the PS2 GPS socket, or make up an adaptor cable from a PS2 plug to whatever GPS data source you want to use. They also have a suitable PS2 mouse GPS mouse for $70, though a flarm or a logger is better as they have a pressure altitude sensor, giving more accurate results. I am in the process of designing an interface box that has on the front 2 GPS inputs for flarm or Garmin or any other and logger, a PDA out and a switch so you can select GPS from flarm or logger.(This is so the logger can connect to the PDA for task declaration, and gives redundancy to the GPS source). If the vario is the GPS source one of the front panel sockets would be used. The commercial boxes I have seen end up a horrible mish mash of serial adaptors when installed. I plan to use all RJ telephone style connectors, and then assemble the appropriate leads. On the rear of the box there is a GPS OUT to vario socket and a GPS IN from vario socket. The idea being that a loop cable can be plugged in to these if a vario is not used. The idea is to mount this in the instrument panel. A useful fact, Volkslogger and Colibri are capable of using the same 6 pin cable, as even though the Colibri has an 8 pin socket the extra 2 pins are Extra power pins, so that the first and last pair on either side of the connector are power, the 6 pin connector only supplies the inner 2 pims but works fine. The excellent John Wharrington pointed out a wireless Bluetooth PDA game controller That can be used to remote control the PDA, mounted on the stick or wherever, costs $80, neat! See here http://www.smartgamepad.com/ To the PFY(Dion), memory card is worth $15, no effort to load, he's still making a packet, and do you think he's paying for the TOMTOM software? It was 70,000 people making a living from EBAY BTW! I have tried to get data out from an L-Nav with no luck, it only has one DATA socket and no GPS is built in so one has to use that input to supply GPS dataG Before you buy Winpilot try XC Soar, its free and support is great! As to the comment on Terrain colours, in XC Soar there are a number of colour styles one can use for terrain, I suggest the ICAO colour scheme. I plan to do up an article for Soaring Australia, with a set of Pinout diagrams for the most common devices, but I need the FLARM pinouts, and the Borgelt pinouts still to complete the set. Finally, spot on Ross the Vario manufacturers have zero motivation to help in this area, they would much rather sell you a new unit. Amusingly I read an ad from an old AG about a common digital vario extolling the fact that it would overcome obsolescence by software updates-which are no longer available! A black box (no display) vario engine is what is really needed To maximize this sort of setup, but I am not holding my breath. One last note, IPAQ's have no backup battery and if charged and left on the charger they do not start charging until the power is disconnected, so that if you leave one fully charged on the charger for say a month it will flatten the battery and lose its data, even though the charger is connected. I strongly suggest you make us of the full backup
Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS
I have not used one, but am aware of this product for 12V to PDA stepdown: http://www.tasmaninstruments.com.au/accessories.htm#smp5 A bit dearer though. A.J. On 8/9/07, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi mark, I presume you mean the E-Frontier cable? It's a standard linear 5v regulator, using a 5v IC regulator, so it can get a bit hot on a flat PDA. Dave From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Fisher Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:45 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS Is this device a switchmode supply, or linear?? Cheers Mark From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:46 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS Hi all, Reg, if you can use the vario as source, then you get the vario data(Airspeed, Altitude and rate of climb fed to the PDA with the GPS signal). The PDA will also display flarm data so ideally the vario GPS signal is sourced from the flarm, fed to the vario with the flarm data included then the vario adds its data and passes on the whole lot to the PDA for display. By the way a 2 seater repeater can be setup via Bluetooth link with XC Soar and presumably WinPilot, so one only needs to supply power to the backseat PDA, and it gets all of the mixed DATA. E-Frontier have a 5 volt regulator in a 12V cigarette lighter plug, with an IPAQ plug and a PS2 GPSIN socket for $19. I have pulled one apart and built into a small jiffy box with the appropriate connectors. Contact me off list Reg and I will be happy to give you a hand with installation, or assemble at cost any type of cable you require. http://www.efrontier.com.au/estore/product_info.php?cPath=2_8products_id=30 All you need to do is change the PS2 GPS socket, or make up an adaptor cable from a PS2 plug to whatever GPS data source you want to use. They also have a suitable PS2 mouse GPS mouse for $70, though a flarm or a logger is better as they have a pressure altitude sensor, giving more accurate results. I am in the process of designing an interface box that has on the front 2 GPS inputs for flarm or Garmin or any other and logger, a PDA out and a switch so you can select GPS from flarm or logger.(This is so the logger can connect to the PDA for task declaration, and gives redundancy to the GPS source). If the vario is the GPS source one of the front panel sockets would be used. The commercial boxes I have seen end up a horrible mish mash of serial adaptors when installed. I plan to use all RJ telephone style connectors, and then assemble the appropriate leads. On the rear of the box there is a GPS OUT to vario socket and a GPS IN from vario socket. The idea being that a loop cable can be plugged in to these if a vario is not used. The idea is to mount this in the instrument panel. A useful fact, Volkslogger and Colibri are capable of using the same 6 pin cable, as even though the Colibri has an 8 pin socket the extra 2 pins are Extra power pins, so that the first and last pair on either side of the connector are power, the 6 pin connector only supplies the inner 2 pims but works fine. The excellent John Wharrington pointed out a wireless Bluetooth PDA game controller That can be used to remote control the PDA, mounted on the stick or wherever, costs $80, neat! See here http://www.smartgamepad.com/ To the PFY(Dion), memory card is worth $15, no effort to load, he's still making a packet, and do you think he's paying for the TOMTOM software? It was 70,000 people making a living from EBAY BTW! I have tried to get data out from an L-Nav with no luck, it only has one DATA socket and no GPS is built in so one has to use that input to supply GPS dataG Before you buy Winpilot try XC Soar, its free and support is great! As to the comment on Terrain colours, in XC Soar there are a number of colour styles one can use for terrain, I suggest the ICAO colour scheme. I plan to do up an article for Soaring Australia, with a set of Pinout diagrams for the most common devices, but I need the FLARM pinouts, and the Borgelt pinouts still to complete the set. Finally, spot on Ross the Vario manufacturers have zero motivation to help in this area, they would much rather sell you a new unit. Amusingly I read an ad from an old AG about a common digital vario extolling the fact that it would overcome obsolescence by software updates-which are no longer available! A black box (no display) vario engine is what is really needed To maximize this sort of setup, but I am not holding my breath. One last note,
Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries
The 5550 has a CF card slot. Set up the unit as you like (see you etc) then perform a full backup to the card. It only takes a minute or so to perform a full restore when required. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 10:06 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries HI Wayne, Luckily for you, the quite new (HP)IPAQ 4700 has a backup battery-Older (COMPAQ)IPAQ 36xx,37xx,38xx,50xx do not, so watch out! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Carter Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:16 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries from Dave-(snip) One last note, IPAQ's have no backup battery and if charged and left on the charger they do not start charging until the power is disconnected, so that if you leave one fully charged on the charger for say a month it will flatten the battery and lose its data, even though the charger is connected. I strongly suggest you make us of the full backup facility on the PDA when everything is setup, so restoring the PDA is quick and easy. The best bet is to have a timer on the charger that disconnects the power once a day for 5 minutes, then the PDA will charge again.(Great piece of design that)! (Snip) eh? My 4700 has a good backup battery, goes for weeks with no main battery charge. Perhaps not all Ipaqs are this way? Safe season Wayne ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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I could be wrong - I thought my old 5500 only had an SD card slot. My new H4700 has both SD CF. I'm sure there is a CF sleeve available for the 5500. Regards, - Nick Gilbert - Lotus Notes Developer W :: (08) 8392 2147 F :: (08) 8276 5844 E :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Derek Ruddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/08/2007 10:50 AM Please respond to Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net cc Subject Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries The 5550 has a CF card slot. Set up the unit as you like (see you etc) then perform a full backup to the card. It only takes a minute or so to perform a full restore when required. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 10:06 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries HI Wayne, Luckily for you, the quite new (HP)IPAQ 4700 has a backup battery-Older (COMPAQ)IPAQ 36xx,37xx,38xx,50xx do not, so watch out! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Carter Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:16 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries from Dave-(snip) One last note, IPAQ's have no backup battery and if charged and left on the charger they do not start charging until the power is disconnected, so that if you leave one fully charged on the charger for say a month it will flatten the battery and lose its data, even though the charger is connected. I strongly suggest you make us of the full backup facility on the PDA when everything is setup, so restoring the PDA is quick and easy. The best bet is to have a timer on the charger that disconnects the power once a day for 5 minutes, then the PDA will charge again.(Great piece of design that)! (Snip) eh? My 4700 has a good backup battery, goes for weeks with no main battery charge. Perhaps not all Ipaqs are this way? Safe season Wayne ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS
Thanks Dave. A Switchmode would be better!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:01 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS Hi mark, I presume you mean the E-Frontier cable? It's a standard linear 5v regulator, using a 5v IC regulator, so it can get a bit hot on a flat PDA. Dave From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Fisher Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:45 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS Is this device a switchmode supply, or linear?? Cheers Mark From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:46 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA GPS Hi all, Reg, if you can use the vario as source, then you get the vario data(Airspeed, Altitude and rate of climb fed to the PDA with the GPS signal). The PDA will also display flarm data so ideally the vario GPS signal is sourced from the flarm, fed to the vario with the flarm data included then the vario adds its data and passes on the whole lot to the PDA for display. By the way a 2 seater repeater can be setup via Bluetooth link with XC Soar and presumably WinPilot, so one only needs to supply power to the backseat PDA, and it gets all of the mixed DATA. E-Frontier have a 5 volt regulator in a 12V cigarette lighter plug, with an IPAQ plug and a PS2 GPSIN socket for $19. I have pulled one apart and built into a small jiffy box with the appropriate connectors. Contact me off list Reg and I will be happy to give you a hand with installation, or assemble at cost any type of cable you require. http://www.efrontier.com.au/estore/product_info.php?cPath=2_8products_i d=30 All you need to do is change the PS2 GPS socket, or make up an adaptor cable from a PS2 plug to whatever GPS data source you want to use. They also have a suitable PS2 mouse GPS mouse for $70, though a flarm or a logger is better as they have a pressure altitude sensor, giving more accurate results. I am in the process of designing an interface box that has on the front 2 GPS inputs for flarm or Garmin or any other and logger, a PDA out and a switch so you can select GPS from flarm or logger.(This is so the logger can connect to the PDA for task declaration, and gives redundancy to the GPS source). If the vario is the GPS source one of the front panel sockets would be used. The commercial boxes I have seen end up a horrible mish mash of serial adaptors when installed. I plan to use all RJ telephone style connectors, and then assemble the appropriate leads. On the rear of the box there is a GPS OUT to vario socket and a GPS IN from vario socket. The idea being that a loop cable can be plugged in to these if a vario is not used. The idea is to mount this in the instrument panel. A useful fact, Volkslogger and Colibri are capable of using the same 6 pin cable, as even though the Colibri has an 8 pin socket the extra 2 pins are Extra power pins, so that the first and last pair on either side of the connector are power, the 6 pin connector only supplies the inner 2 pims but works fine. The excellent John Wharrington pointed out a wireless Bluetooth PDA game controller That can be used to remote control the PDA, mounted on the stick or wherever, costs $80, neat! See here http://www.smartgamepad.com/ To the PFY(Dion), memory card is worth $15, no effort to load, he's still making a packet, and do you think he's paying for the TOMTOM software? It was 70,000 people making a living from EBAY BTW! I have tried to get data out from an L-Nav with no luck, it only has one DATA socket and no GPS is built in so one has to use that input to supply GPS dataG Before you buy Winpilot try XC Soar, its free and support is great! As to the comment on Terrain colours, in XC Soar there are a number of colour styles one can use for terrain, I suggest the ICAO colour scheme. I plan to do up an article for Soaring Australia, with a set of Pinout diagrams for the most common devices, but I need the FLARM pinouts, and the Borgelt pinouts still to complete the set. Finally, spot on Ross the Vario manufacturers have zero motivation to help in this area, they would much rather sell you a new unit. Amusingly I read an ad from an old AG about a common digital vario extolling the fact that it would overcome obsolescence by software updates-which are no longer available! A black box (no display) vario engine is what is really needed To maximize this sort of setup, but I am not holding my breath. One last note, IPAQ's have no backup battery and if charged and left on the charger
Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries
The 5550 has a CF card slot. Set up the unit as you like (see you etc) then perform a full backup to the card. It only takes a minute or so to perform a full restore when required. [Dave] Spot on it's an SD card though! This is good because it saves all the files and settings so there is no need to reinstall and configure if you lose the data.I have also found the special screwdriver for the IPAQ is very handy on a couple of occasions removing the screws and disconnecting the battery has been needed to reset a locked up PDA-not a problem with the 5500, as it has a removable battery But earlier models do not. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 10:06 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries HI Wayne, Luckily for you, the quite new (HP)IPAQ 4700 has a backup battery-Older (COMPAQ)IPAQ 36xx,37xx,38xx,50xx do not, so watch out! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Carter Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:16 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries from Dave-(snip) One last note, IPAQ's have no backup battery and if charged and left on the charger they do not start charging until the power is disconnected, so that if you leave one fully charged on the charger for say a month it will flatten the battery and lose its data, even though the charger is connected. I strongly suggest you make us of the full backup facility on the PDA when everything is setup, so restoring the PDA is quick and easy. The best bet is to have a timer on the charger that disconnects the power once a day for 5 minutes, then the PDA will charge again.(Great piece of design that)! (Snip) eh? My 4700 has a good backup battery, goes for weeks with no main battery charge. Perhaps not all Ipaqs are this way? Safe season Wayne ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list
Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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You're right Nick, 5500 SD only. CF and in fact all sleeves will fit the following models IPAQ 36xx 37xx 38xx 39xx 54xx 55xx and possibly 51xx. Some sleeves also have extra battery. CF sleeves cost about $50 on Ebay. CF GPS $100~ Navman sleeves go for between 100-150, and have a CF slot as well as built in GPS. BTW some Garmin have baro pressure sensor. I still carry my Garmin, switched off as a backup for outlanding or flat glider battery! 5500 has SD only. I will get a 4700 one day though, 640x480 and landscape mode would be great. A freeware landscape mode program for older models is available on the net somewhere. No more replies from me this morning I must do appear to do *some* work today! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:05 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries I could be wrong - I thought my old 5500 only had an SD card slot. My new H4700 has both SD CF. I'm sure there is a CF sleeve available for the 5500. Regards, - Nick Gilbert - Lotus Notes Developer W :: (08) 8392 2147 F :: (08) 8276 5844 E :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Derek Ruddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/08/2007 10:50 AM Please respond to Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net cc Subject Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries The 5550 has a CF card slot. Set up the unit as you like (see you etc) then perform a full backup to the card. It only takes a minute or so to perform a full restore when required. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 10:06 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries HI Wayne, Luckily for you, the quite new (HP)IPAQ 4700 has a backup battery-Older (COMPAQ)IPAQ 36xx,37xx,38xx,50xx do not, so watch out! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Carter Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:16 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] PDA batteries from Dave-(snip) One last note, IPAQ's have no backup battery and if charged and left on the charger they do not start charging until the power is disconnected, so that if you leave one fully charged on the charger for say a month it will flatten the battery and lose its data, even though the charger is connected. I strongly suggest you make us of the full backup facility on the PDA when everything is setup, so restoring the PDA is quick and easy. The best bet is to have a timer on the charger that disconnects the power once a day for 5 minutes, then the PDA will charge again.(Great piece of design that)! (Snip) eh? My 4700 has a good backup battery, goes for weeks with no main battery charge. Perhaps not all Ipaqs are this way? Safe season Wayne ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list
Use plastic. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:54 AM To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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OK where can I get a plastic u-tube from :P On 08/08/2007, at 11:39 AM, Derek Ruddock wrote: Use plastic. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:54 AM To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Use a piece of plastic tubing Cath. Cheers Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 12:16 PM To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Bunnings or any hardware store(-: You just bend it gently so it does not kink.and use round single nail cable clips slightly larger than the tube to hold in position on a board with a scale fitted. Dave dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:54 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list OK where can I get a plastic u-tube from :P On 08/08/2007, at 11:39 AM, Derek Ruddock wrote: Use plastic. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:54 AM To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list
www.youtube.com -Original Message- From: Catherine Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:54:23 +0930 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list OK where can I get a plastic u-tube from :P On 08/08/2007, at 11:39 AM, Derek Ruddock wrote: Use plastic. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:54 AM To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Soft pvc tubing, like you use for instrumentation plumbing!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 12:45 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list OK where can I get a plastic u-tube from :P On 08/08/2007, at 11:39 AM, Derek Ruddock wrote: Use plastic. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:54 AM To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Very droll :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caleb White Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 12:45 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list www.youtube.com -Original Message- From: Catherine Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:54:23 +0930 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list OK where can I get a plastic u-tube from :P On 08/08/2007, at 11:39 AM, Derek Ruddock wrote: Use plastic. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:54 AM To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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yeah I'd thought of that but an old one I used to use had a really swish glass one and I wanted mine to be a bit flash too... (However I think that one was replaced with instrument tubing when the glass broke - so maybe I should go straight there) Youtube - yeah thought of that Caleb :) -Cath On 08/08/2007, at 12:18 PM, Mark Fisher wrote: Soft pvc tubing, like you use for instrumentation plumbing!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 12:45 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list OK where can I get a plastic u-tube from :P On 08/08/2007, at 11:39 AM, Derek Ruddock wrote: Use plastic. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus- soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:54 AM To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Or put a spring around the outside of the tube. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Fisher Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 1:01 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Use a piece of plastic tubing Cath. Cheers Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 12:16 PM To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Glass is more expensive but looks better and is easier to keep clean. A scientific glassware supplier may help, eg: http://www.bartelt.com.au/ Or under glass blowing in the yellow pages eg SCIGLASS - Marion 8276 3033 EMERALD Scientific - Morphett Vale 8382 6996 Alternatively ring Adelaide Uni and ask their Chemistry department where they get theirs supplied from. Please let me know how you get on - I wouldn't mind making one of my own. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Hi Cath, Try your local 'tourist' markets where they have someone making Glass Animals. The tubing that he/she uses can be bent into the U shape that you're after, on the blowtorch. Although, plastic tubing would be much much easier. RM. Catherine Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] u To Sent by:Discussion of issues relating to aus-soaring-bounces Soaring in Australia. @lists.internode.on aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net .netcc Subject 08/08/2007 12:30 PM Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Please respond to Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] internode.on.net yeah I'd thought of that but an old one I used to use had a really swish glass one and I wanted mine to be a bit flash too... (However I think that one was replaced with instrument tubing when the glass broke - so maybe I should go straight there) Youtube - yeah thought of that Caleb :) -Cath On 08/08/2007, at 12:18 PM, Mark Fisher wrote: Soft pvc tubing, like you use for instrumentation plumbing!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 12:45 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list OK where can I get a plastic u-tube from :P On 08/08/2007, at 11:39 AM, Derek Ruddock wrote: Use plastic. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus- soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:54 AM To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] PDAs etc
At 01:16 PM 8/08/2007, you wrote: Hi all, Alan W: Yep, I have seen those AIRIS PDA and they are fine, but as I will use either FLARM or a logger as GPS source, another GPS would be redundant. Road nav would be nice too. They also don't seem to have serial i/o connector, According to a site I got to when I put that model in Google it takes serial data at up to 115k I suspect they just use the USB connector for this. USB only so would be unable to connect to FLARM, Vario or logger without using a serial to Bluetooth adaptor, which may or may not work! At least FLARM and Loggers have a baro pressure sensor, so one isn't relying on just GPS altitude for final glide and thermalling data! If you understood what barometric pressure altitude was measuring and the errors inherent in it, you would realise that GPS altitude isn't such a bad way of measuring altitude for final glide. Barometric pressure altitude is mainly useful for airspace conformity with the rest of aviation (and avoiding disqualification for vertical airspace infringements in contests). The pressure altimeter is probably better than GPS just after you've set it to airfield elevation while waiting to take off. It would be nice if a way of extracting the altitude/airspeed/total energy data from older varios and mixing it with the GPS NMEA data sentences in the correct format could be found, (As modern varios such as 302/B50/vega etc do) anyone got any ideas guys? A few op amps, a microprocessor and some programming is all it takes for a B20 system. B20 systems have TE vario, indicated airspeed, true airspeed and altitude available as analog/PWM outputs at the rear. They are also accurate enough to be worth using(although I wouldn't bother with the pressure altitude output) which is not true of all older varios. B50's already do what you want. WinPilot Pro was first produced for the B50. Later B50's can be setup to work at 9600 baud. FLARM requires 19200 baud for all the data last time I looked although can be configured at lower baud rates. The B500 has its own GPS but our new power supply/data distribution board has the facility to use a logger or FLARM for GPS and other data such as pressure altitude and nearby gliders and send the B500 air data and settings along with the logger/FLARM data to the PDA or B2000/B2500 when the logger/Flarm data is available. Automatic reversion to the B500 GPS data if logger/Flarm unavailable. The board allows connection of logger, Flarm, PDA, communication bidirectionally to the logger/Flarm from the PDA. 5 volt switch mode, filtered power supply for PDA, connection to the B500 NMEA datastream and 12 volt power and output of B500 data or composite B500/flarm/logger data to PDA and B2000/B2500. It could be used with other varios too. GPS mouse devices are normally optimised for surface use. If the GPS setups are accessible better settings can sometimes be found for aviation use. For high current drain devices like PDAs switch mode power supplies should used when battery powered. If you have to use a heat sink you don't have switch mode supply. This doesn't matter in a car or powered aircraft with a generating system. As for the older varios: The system architecture may be such that modifications to some later ideas may not be all that feasible or may be prohibitively expensive. Technology also moves on and it simply isn't worth spending much money on older systems which may be full of obsolete/obsolescent components and which require programming hardware and software which has to be resurrected and personnel who have to get up to speed on what happened 10 or more years ago. The military have the same problem with their aircraft and it is not uncommon to replace the avionics at least once during the airframe life to get better maintainability and performance. The earliest glass gliders are nearly 50 years old and still flyable. Electronics has come further than airframe design in that time. I don't think there is much point in a pressure sensor black box as it requires connection to the aircraft power, pitot, static and total energy systems. It just isn't as portable as a PDA or GPS. Given it is bolted in to the panel it may as well have a nice vario/speed command display(B500). Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Cath, There is a easy way to make a manometer, They are available as a complete ready to use item, just add water, a company in Perth sells the for gasfitters and plumbers, There name is ALL CONTROLS or A+L SALES. From memory my 8kpa manometer was about $ 70.00 If you would like I could get a costing for you as they supply me many gas related items. Regards Ben - Original Message - From: Catherine Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Thanks but I already have a wonderful calibrated scale that I bought years ago. The rest is pretty easy with a few bits of Ply and a jigsaw, and a large syringe etc. But sure, send me a pic of the ready made one if you have one. -Cath On 08/08/2007, at 2:21 PM, Ben Jones wrote: Cath, There is a easy way to make a manometer, They are available as a complete ready to use item, just add water, a company in Perth sells the for gasfitters and plumbers, There name is ALL CONTROLS or A+L SALES. From memory my 8kpa manometer was about $ 70.00 If you would like I could get a costing for you as they supply me many gas related items. Regards Ben - Original Message - From: Catherine Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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They are available as a complete ready to use item, just add water Would that make it a dehydrated manometer? (-: Ducks thrown objects Sorry couldn't help myself! At least I resisted making the Youtube gag... Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Jones Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 2:22 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Cath, There is a easy way to make a manometer, They are available as a complete ready to use item, just add water, a company in Perth sells the for gasfitters and plumbers, There name is ALL CONTROLS or A+L SALES. From memory my 8kpa manometer was about $ 70.00 If you would like I could get a costing for you as they supply me many gas related items. Regards Ben - Original Message - From: Catherine Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] My round-tuit list Hi guys Something thats been on my list for a while is to make myself a manometer. Does anyone know where I can get the glass u-tube from? Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
