Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Men in suits (warning thispostingmaycontain humour...)
Me thinks there is too much jockularity. Patch - Original Message - From: anthony.sm...@adelaide.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Men in suits (warning thispostingmaycontain humour...) Yes. Of course it is also a new use for those 'Remove Before Flight' tags. On Fri 09/10/09 1:48 PM , Derek Ruddock derek.rudd...@optus.com.au sent: That’s the type of flight where you have to debriefing before the actual flight I suppose J -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of anthony.sm...@adelaide.on.net Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 2:00 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; Catherine Conway Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Men in suits (warning this posting maycontain humour...) Strange as it may seem, that is one Bergfalke rating that I have not achieved. Of course in my case I would insist on it being mutual naked Bergfalke pilots. Just gotta make sure that all the prickles are removed from the cushions first. On Fri 09/10/09 1:19 PM , Catherine Conway con...@agile.com.au sent: You mean like the Naked Bergfalke Pilot rating ;) On 08/10/2009, at 5:00 PM, anthony.sm...@adelaide.on.net wrote: Why not. There have been a number of examples of the opposite, with pilots flying without clothing in the altogether. On Thu 08/10/09 2:51 PM , Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au sent: -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer manufacturers
Depends what you want. Patch - Original Message - From: Derek Ruddock To: 'anthony.sm...@adelaide.on.net' ; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Trailer manufacturers Does anyone have contact details for any Australian glider trailer manufacturers? -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Men in suits (warning this posting may contain humour...)
Hey you lot myself and Brad Edwards and Bruce Taylor and well over 600 other pilots did their first solo in A BERGFAKE. It all stopped when some kid Simon McCluran burnt the place down Macca 2009/10/8 Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au i imagine the visual image of a slightly overweight, retired and hungover man in a silly hat with his flies undone trying flying round in circles probably doesn't endear itself well to their product. Isn't that many clubs do when they stuff some poor old Dude into a Santa suit (and then into a glider) around Christmas time? We could always go retro. The Adelaide Uni Gliding Club started life as the Adelaide University Engineers Gliding Club. They flew is nice suits! http://www.augc.on.net/Image.php?image=50 I dunno, perhaps we could have, Gliding in Suits day. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer manufacturers
I have made 3 -does that count - 3 too many in my opinion ...Ian M 2009/10/9 Derek Ruddock derek.rudd...@optus.com.au Does anyone have contact details for any Australian glider trailer manufacturers? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class competition
Hi Phil, Perhaps you misunderstood. I was not defendin g the situation, just answering your question about the history and reasoning behind the way it has been done up to now - and in particular to explain why there are three task types in the rules but only one allowed in the competition. I think it is for the pilots and the NCC to discuss and agree on the appropriate format of tasking. I notice that in the World Club Class the fly a mixture of fixed and AAT. Cheers Tim On Fri 09/10/09 9:46 AM , Phil phil...@internode.on.net sent: Thanks Tim The handicap range is the only obvious disadvantage to setting AST. It isn't such a disadvantage that it can't be done though - at least half of the tasks in club class overseas, using the same handicap range, are speed tasks. The handicap range is about 10% so on a 3 hour task (180 minutes) the slowest would do it at 3 hours 18 minutes. Not enough difference in my mind to outright ban the task type given the increase in fun factor. Pick the day of course. Next:I know I've been slack at attending pilots meetings but I can't remember Speed tasks being raised as a topic. (there were three at the last club class comp, maybe I slipped into a coma temporarily) I stand to be corrected. Finally: I've looked at the handicap document on the GFA web site http://2009.gfa.org.au/Docs/sport/competition/Handicaps0910_ClubClass.pdf [1] and the handicap range for the second column labelled club class goes from 0.92 (ASW20) to 1.40 (Zephyrus). The LS8 is put in Performance class even though it has a handicap of 0.92 like the ASW20. The GFA web site has a second document http://2009.gfa.org.au/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=691 font-size: 10pt; - Original Message - From: Tim Shirley [3] To: \'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.\' [4] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class competition Hi Phil, The main reason that all the task types are listed there is that there is only one set of rules covering all Nationals classes multiclass, club class and juniors so this is the only place they can go. The idea was that then the individual events would specify in local rules which task types apply to their particular contests. Traditionally club class did not set AST because of the wide range of glider types and performances competing. The tasks would either be too short for the higher performance ships or too long for the lower performance. AAT (and before that, POST) tasks were considered fairer. Even with the restriction in performance to international rules there is still a wide range, from LS8 to Libelle. Clearly the faster gliders would have a huge advantage by being able to use the optimum part of the day, if a fixed length task was set. While the handicap deals with some of that, it cant fix it all, especially if outlandings occur because slower gliders cant get home. Its come up a few times at pilots meetings. Usually briefly. Cheers Tim From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Phil Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 18:52 To: Aus-soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Club Class competition I'm looking forward to the Club Class nationals in Lake Keepit next month. Dave Shorter sent out some information which included the rules. I was looking at task types and found the following. The national rules on task setting state the following: 22.3 Task Types may be chosen from any two or more of the types specified in the authorised attachments to these Rules provided that the chosen task type: is authorised by NCC for the contest and is published in the Local Rules (The authorised attachment lists three types of tasks: Assigned Speed, Assigned area and Run tasks) The Local rules state that 11. TASKS: Tasks shall be Assigned Area Tasks. Not withstanding the confusing wording of rule 22.3 I was wondering why Assigned Speed Tasks aren't used in Club Class? At the world Club Class they are, and since Australia changed the rules several years ago so that only gliders that meet the world club class handicaps are eligible couldn't we also do the same. I ask because without a doubt in my opinion AST is still the most fun sort of racing. The limited handicap range makes the task type feasible where previously it wasn't. Does anybody out there know why we don't and would they be willing to enlighten me? Curious Philip Ritchie No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.4/2416 - Release Date: 10/07/09 20:49:00
[Aus-soaring] Chris ?
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer manufacturers
Did you mean trailers for australian gliders (eg: Kookaburra, Arrow, Boomerang etc) or manufacturers of glider trailers, in Australia. regards JR - Original Message - From: Derek Ruddock To: 'anthony.sm...@adelaide.on.net' ; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Trailer manufacturers Does anyone have contact details for any Australian glider trailer manufacturers? -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Men without suits (warning this posting may contain humour...)
Perhaps not, according to local folklore. After landing on a farm in the Mojave Desert, the pilot walked up to the house to discover he was in a nudist camp. Didn't bother him too much until the barbecue, when everyone was still au nu. This claim is made of Jack Lambie, who was reputedly endowed with a 7 willy… Once he landed in a nudist camp where he felt so much at home that he stayed to dinner, took of his clothes and gave a speech. Lambie was a flyer of almost everything including the Hang Loose biplane hang glider as well as sailplanes and he owned a Piper Cub and Fournier motorglider. Have others landed in nudist camps? The west coast must be covered with them! DMcD ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Men without suits (warning this postingmay contain humour...)
Only 7 inches - Original Message - From: DMcD To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Men without suits (warning this postingmay contain humour...) Perhaps not, according to local folklore. After landing on a farm in the Mojave Desert, the pilot walked up to the house to discover he was in a nudist camp. Didn't bother him too much until the barbecue, when everyone was still au nu. This claim is made of Jack Lambie, who was reputedly endowed with a 7 willy… Once he landed in a nudist camp where he felt so much at home that he stayed to dinner, took of his clothes and gave a speech. Lambie was a flyer of almost everything including the Hang Loose biplane hang glider as well as sailplanes and he owned a Piper Cub and Fournier motorglider. Have others landed in nudist camps? The west coast must be covered with them! DMcD -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class competition
I'm with you too Phil, believe it or not my first ever competition AST was @ the JWGC2005 - what a time to learn how to race against others hey... WPP Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 01:02:26 -0700 From: to...@yahoo.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class competition I'm with you Phil, but I know a few that are not! AST needs some skills that are being lost, multi-class will continue to have some while some of us can keep it that way! And there is always the GP! :] Tom --- On Thu, 8/10/09, Phil phil...@internode.on.net wrote: From: Phil phil...@internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Club Class competition To: Aus-soaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Received: Thursday, 8 October, 2009, 6:52 PM I'm looking forward to the Club Class nationals in Lake Keepit next month. Dave Shorter sent out some information which included the rules. I was looking at task types and found the following. The national rules on task setting state the following: 22.3 Task Types may be chosen from any two or more of the types specified in the authorised attachments to these Rules provided that the chosen task type: is authorised by NCC for the contest and is published in the Local Rules (The authorised attachment lists three types of tasks: Assigned Speed, Assigned area and Run tasks) The Local rules state that 11. TASKS: Tasks shall be Assigned Area Tasks. Not withstanding the confusing wording of rule 22.3 I was wondering why Assigned Speed Tasks aren't used in Club Class? At the world Club Class they are, and since Australia changed the rules several years ago so that only gliders that meet the world club class handicaps are eligible couldn't we also do the same. I ask because without a doubt in my opinion AST is still the most fun sort of racing. The limited handicap range makes the task type feasible where previously it wasn't. Does anybody out there know why we don't and would they be willing to enlighten me? Curious Philip Ritchie -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Reading this email at work? Make a change with Yahoo!Xtra Jobs _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Shrinking Willy
I figure landing in a nudist camp would present some manageable problems/opportunities. George Schuit was telling me of flying in a contest in Europe (maybe a worlds?), where he and another pilot decided to work a bubble at 200'. The patch of ground underneath was the only landable spot they had been able to find in the weakening conditions, so George started flying a circuit to outland. But he reassessed his options once he could clearly see the prides of fauna below - they were overhead a Lion Park. George and his mate thermalled away. Would it be appropriate that the next edition of Basic Gliding knowledge addresses some of these issues? Simon -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of DMcD Sent: Saturday, 10 October 2009 9:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Men without suits (warning this postingmay contain humour...) Perhaps not, according to local folklore. After landing on a farm in the Mojave Desert, the pilot walked up to the house to discover he was in a nudist camp. Didn't bother him too much until the barbecue, when everyone was still au nu. This claim is made of Jack Lambie, who was reputedly endowed with a 7 willy. Once he landed in a nudist camp where he felt so much at home that he stayed to dinner, took of his clothes and gave a speech. Lambie was a flyer of almost everything including the Hang Loose biplane hang glider as well as sailplanes and he owned a Piper Cub and Fournier motorglider. Have others landed in nudist camps? The west coast must be covered with them! DMcD ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Added features on NSW Blipmaps
I've added some new functionality to the NSW Blipmaps at http://blipmap.walsys.net/UNI/univiewer.html (Univiewer version only). You will see two new check boxes for 'popups', called SkewT and BlipSpot. (If you cant see them, hit 'Shift+Reload' to reload the page). Select one or the other, not both! Put the cursor anywhere on the map (any map), left click, and you will get a SkewT chart for that location, or Blipspot data which is the data for that point in tabular form. Regards, Bernie. http://blipmap.walsys.net/NEWSOUTHWALES/index.html http://glidingforecast.on.net/RASP/RASPtable.html (Australia wide blipmaps, sponsored by Internode) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Men without suits (warning this posting may contain humour...)
Ben i think your getting confused with your 7cm's :p On 10/10/09, Ben Jones bjo...@pipecomp.com.au wrote: Only 7 inches - Original Message - From: DMcD To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Men without suits (warning this postingmay contain humour...) Perhaps not, according to local folklore. After landing on a farm in the Mojave Desert, the pilot walked up to the house to discover he was in a nudist camp. Didn't bother him too much until the barbecue, when everyone was still au nu. This claim is made of Jack Lambie, who was reputedly endowed with a 7 willy… Once he landed in a nudist camp where he felt so much at home that he stayed to dinner, took of his clothes and gave a speech. Lambie was a flyer of almost everything including the Hang Loose biplane hang glider as well as sailplanes and he owned a Piper Cub and Fournier motorglider. Have others landed in nudist camps? The west coast must be covered with them! DMcD -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Sent from my mobile device ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Shrinking Willy
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM, simon holding shold...@octa4.net.auwrote: Would it be appropriate that the next edition of Basic Gliding knowledge addresses some of these issues? That's an excellent idea. I always thought that it should have been part of an advanced hang gliding rating to overfly people at it in the sand dunes. This is easier in WA since the sun is lower in the west in the afternoon. Most of this activity appears to happen in the PM. In hang gliding the skill is to cast your shadow over the participants hiding in the sand hills. Mostly, they will think it is a cloud and ignore it for a while. Then the pilot has to just do shallow figure 8s to get their attention and enjoy the scramble. Outlanding in a lion patch is more problematic because you would have to carry the right survival equipment in your glider. An elephant gun may have been OK in the old days (when BGK was written) but something else is required now. BTW, apologies to the late Jack Lambie. I underestimated willy size. I looked it up in a reference book and apparently the thing was 8 1/2. That's about 320mm. BR DMcD ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Men without suits (warning this posting may contain humour...)
On 10/10/09, Ben Jones bjo...@pipecomp.com.au wrote: Only 7 inches I got this wrong. After looking it up, the figure is 8 1/2. You can find this in Essential Aviation Facts published in 2003. DMcD ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
