Hi Phil,
Perhaps you misunderstood. I was not defendin g the situation, just
answering your question about the history and reasoning behind the way
it has been done up to now - and in particular to explain why there
are three task types in the rules but only one allowed in the
competition.
I think it is for the pilots and the NCC to discuss and agree on the
appropriate format of tasking. I notice that in the World Club Class
the fly a mixture of fixed and AAT.
Cheers
Tim
On Fri 09/10/09 9:46 AM , "Phil" phil...@internode.on.net sent:
Thanks Tim The handicap range is the only obvious disadvantage
to setting AST. It isn't such a disadvantage that it can't be done
though - at least half of the tasks in club class overseas, using the
same handicap range, are speed tasks. The handicap range is about 10%
so on a 3 hour task (180 minutes) the slowest would do it at 3 hours
18 minutes. Not enough difference in my mind to outright ban the task
type given the increase in fun factor. Pick the day of course.
Next:I know I've been slack at attending pilots meetings but I can't
remember Speed tasks being raised as a topic. (there were three at the
last club class comp, maybe I slipped into a coma temporarily) I stand
to be corrected. Finally: I've looked at the handicap document on
the GFA web site
http://2009.gfa.org.au/Docs/sport/competition/Handicaps0910_ClubClass.pdf
[1] and the handicap range for the second column labelled club class
goes from 0.92 (ASW20) to 1.40 (Zephyrus). The LS8 is put in
Performance class even though it has a handicap of 0.92 like the
ASW20. The GFA web site has a second document
http://2009.gfa.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=691
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Hi Phil,
The main reason that all the task types are listed there is that
there is only one set of rules covering all Nationals classes
multiclass, club class and juniors so this is the only place they
can go. The idea was that then the individual events would specify in
local rules which task types apply to their particular contests.
Traditionally club class did not set AST because of the wide range
of glider types and performances competing. The tasks would either be
too short for the higher performance ships or too long for the lower
performance. AAT (and before that, POST) tasks were considered fairer.
Even with the restriction in performance to international rules
there is still a wide range, from LS8 to Libelle. Clearly the faster
gliders would have a huge advantage by being able to use the optimum
part of the day, if a fixed length task was set. While the handicap
deals with some of that, it cant fix it all, especially if
outlandings occur because slower gliders cant get home.
Its come up a few times at pilots meetings. Usually briefly.
Cheers
Tim
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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 18:52
To: Aus-soaring
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Club Class competition
I'm looking forward to the Club Class nationals in Lake Keepit next
month. Dave Shorter sent out some information which included the
rules. I was looking at task types and found the following.
The national rules on task setting state the following:
22.3 Task Types may be chosen from any two or more of the types
specified in the authorised attachments
to these Rules provided that the chosen task type:
is authorised by NCC for the contest and
is published in the Local Rules
(The authorised attachment lists three types of tasks: Assigned
Speed, Assigned area and Run tasks)
The Local rules state that
11. TASKS: Tasks shall be Assigned Area Tasks.
Not withstanding the confusing wording of rule 22.3 I was wondering
why Assigned Speed Tasks aren't used in Club Class? At the world Club
Class they are, and since Australia changed the rules several years
ago so that only gliders that meet the world club class handicaps are
eligible couldn't we also do the same. I ask because without a doubt
in my opinion AST is still the most fun sort of racing. The limited
handicap range makes the task type feasible where previously it
wasn't.
Does anybody out there know why we don't and would they be willing
to enlighten me?
Curious
Philip Ritchie
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