Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow?
I have done close to 2000hrs of towing (+retrieves) over long period and I do not know of any real problems of glider too low except making towing harder for tow pilots. I do confirm too high is the real worry. I did have a tow pilot dive to avoid cloud which made on the back interesting to say the least. Ian McPhee 0428847642 On 13 April 2011 14:21, Peter F Bradshaw p...@exadios.com wrote: Are there any reports of tow induced tug stalls? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow?
Peter, yes. Mike two posts below described one. The Tasmanian accident, while never officially given a cause, was _very_ strongly suspected of being this type of accident. The older set of UK accidents were like this, I haven't read the new ones, but it would be a fair bet they are too. I'll describe the chain of events again as I am sure Dion is not the only one to misconstrue the situation. As the glider goes higher above normal high (line astern) tow the tail of the tug is pulled up. To counter this the tug pilot applies back stick. Higher glider = more back stick and also greater load on the rope*. Now in this situation if the glider releases or the rope breaks, the tug has the stick a long way back and, despite whatever speed they are doing, the tug pitches up rapidly (ie less than a second) and stalls. If there is any yaw this will cause a flick roll. *Can also get to the point where neither end can release due to too much load on the rope and the mechanical advantage of the release(s) not being enough to get over centre. A tug upset from too low would mean the tug pilot had a lot of forward stick and at release would pitch down. Scary but controllable. I have never heard of an upset like this (I imagine it could happen, just doesn't seem to). I am also guessing there is some assymetry which prevents equivalent high/low upsets (ie power of the glider elevator might be stronger pushing down on the glider = pulling up on the tug than the perhaps weaker effect of glider elevator lifting to pull the tug tail down). Regards SWK On 13/04/2011 1:51 PM, Peter F Bradshaw wrote: Are there any reports of tow induced tug stalls? On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Dion Stuart Baker wrote: It works both ways, of course. If you get too low, you pull the tail down and cause the tug to stall. I'd say a stall is more dangerous than a dive. A dive takes less time and height to recover from. Dion On 13 April 2011 13:11, DMcDslutsw...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow?
Folk, Having been in the tug during an upset I can say that you never want to be there and fully support low tow as the norm. Based on my experience my pet hate is gliders who transition to high tow to release. In my case they did that, pulled the release and turned before making sure the rope had gone. It happened extremely quickly and the pull out used a lot of height. Having said that I will sit in high tow going out of short strips before dropping into low tow. You have a better view of options and a few extra feet. Safe flying !! Best Regards, Mike Durrant VH-FQF On 13/04/2011, at 6:28 PM, stephenk steph...@internode.on.net wrote: Peter, yes. Mike two posts below described one. The Tasmanian accident, while never officially given a cause, was _very_ strongly suspected of being this type of accident. The older set of UK accidents were like this, I haven't read the new ones, but it would be a fair bet they are too. I'll describe the chain of events again as I am sure Dion is not the only one to misconstrue the situation. As the glider goes higher above normal high (line astern) tow the tail of the tug is pulled up. To counter this the tug pilot applies back stick. Higher glider = more back stick and also greater load on the rope*. Now in this situation if the glider releases or the rope breaks, the tug has the stick a long way back and, despite whatever speed they are doing, the tug pitches up rapidly (ie less than a second) and stalls. If there is any yaw this will cause a flick roll. *Can also get to the point where neither end can release due to too much load on the rope and the mechanical advantage of the release(s) not being enough to get over centre. A tug upset from too low would mean the tug pilot had a lot of forward stick and at release would pitch down. Scary but controllable. I have never heard of an upset like this (I imagine it could happen, just doesn't seem to). I am also guessing there is some assymetry which prevents equivalent high/low upsets (ie power of the glider elevator might be stronger pushing down on the glider = pulling up on the tug than the perhaps weaker effect of glider elevator lifting to pull the tug tail down). Regards SWK On 13/04/2011 1:51 PM, Peter F Bradshaw wrote: Are there any reports of tow induced tug stalls? On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Dion Stuart Baker wrote: It works both ways, of course. If you get too low, you pull the tail down and cause the tug to stall. I'd say a stall is more dangerous than a dive. A dive takes less time and height to recover from. Dion On 13 April 2011 13:11, DMcDslutsw...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow?
As a tug pilot my expectation is that we low tow; personally I have no problems with the high tow position provided the pilot tells me prior to takeoff and they know what he/she is doing, in fact I prefer the high tow position when towing cross country. Pilots getting out of position while on aero tow is a different subject; we have to accept that students will get out of position as part of the training process. While I have not had a stall while in the tug I have had to warn an experienced pilot (by Radio) to get out of Submarine Tow because I was running out of forward stick and an instructor who was teaching his students to transition from low tow to high tow in a whip manoeuvrer just prior to their release trying to squeeze the last 50ft out of the launch. These are unacceptable behaviours from experienced pilots. SDF -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter F Bradshaw Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2011 2:22 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow? Are there any reports of tow induced tug stalls? On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Dion Stuart Baker wrote: It works both ways, of course. If you get too low, you pull the tail down and cause the tug to stall. I'd say a stall is more dangerous than a dive. A dive takes less time and height to recover from. Dion On 13 April 2011 13:11, DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com wrote: HA I think there's a danger in thinking that just because we don't do what everyone else does, that we have got in wrong in Oz. This is what the BGA safety flash says: === BGA SAFETY FLASH Tug Upsets These happen when the glider gets excessively high, pulling the tug tail up uncontrollably. Sometimes the glider suddenly zooms above the tug in an unstoppable manner after an initial pitch-up, putting the tug into a steep dive requiring as much as 400 feet to recover. The sequence of events occupies only 2-3 seconds, giving little chance for either the glider pilot or tow-pilot to recognise the problem and pull the release in time. Some years ago the BGA ran a successful campaign to stop the resulting fatalities to tug pilots, but several years without incident now appear to have ended. This year there have been two reported upsets and at least one other not reported. Fortunately none resulted in crashes. Six factors make upsets more likely. Three or more together should be considered unacceptable: ? Lightweight glider, low wing-loading ? C of G hooks intended for winch launching ? Short ropes ? Pilots with little aerotow experience ? NearaftCofG. ? Turbulent conditions C of G hooks are the worst factor but the presence of any of these factors increases the danger. === Bearing in mind that we have more turbulence on a regular basis to the Brits and we also have many of the other factors from time to time, there are some scenarios where it is easy to imagine that a low tow may be a better option than a high tow. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Cheers -- Peter F Bradshaw: http://www.exadios.com (public keys avaliable there). Personal site: http://personal.exadios.com I love truth, and the way the government still uses it occasionally to keep us guessing. - Sam Kekovich. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Hi or Low Tow Position
On 13/04/2011 2:01 PM, Mike wrote: Most of the discussion has been around the best options for the glider pilot. The critical factor is the tug pilot as the tug has fewer options in an emergency. As a tuggie, I have personally been inverted by a two seater, in high tow position. The pilot (an instructor) attempted to gain extra height from the release by climbing at the same time as he thought he was releasing he had not fully pulled the release! or practising making sure the rope has snaked away before turning: Rule 101 before turning after releasing. :-( :-( PeterS The upward pressure on the tugs tail (PA25), stalled the tailplane out. The aircraft flick rolled over its nose, the engine cut due to fuel starvation, and the G force makes it hard to get to the release. Not to mention the disorientation, as this all happens in a split second. End result is recovery from inverted, while trying to bring the engine back online. Not pleasant! I lost approx. 800ft, fortunately we were at height, however, if this had occurred at circuit height the outcome could have been different. The glider had two instructors on-board, doing an annual check, and both were not aware of the situation as I disappeared underneath them. Lets considerer the safety of the combination when we are discussing low versus high tow, both have a place, but we need to be aware of the risk management. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Insurance questions (income protection not glider insurance)
Hi, Has anyone had TPD* and Income protection insurance for claims related to gliding excluded from their policy? Has anyone negotiated an alternate outcome (having initially been denied insurance for these types of claims)? I suspect that the insurance company concerned does not understand the difference between various forms of gliding - the application forms require hang gliding to be nominated. Gliding is obviously considered a higher risk than motorcycling, which was disclosed but no exclusion. I ride, and consider it a higher risk (but it's fun, and a challenge, and closes the occasional midlife crisis gap). Also noteworthy - gliding is not excluded for life insurance claims - just TPD and income protection. Interested in genuine contributions off list - others can go to the list! * TPD = temporary/permanent disability Thanks Bruce ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow?
Now that makes sense, thanks for the explanation Stephen :) On 13 April 2011 17:58, stephenk steph...@internode.on.net wrote: Peter, yes. Mike two posts below described one. The Tasmanian accident, while never officially given a cause, was _very_ strongly suspected of being this type of accident. The older set of UK accidents were like this, I haven't read the new ones, but it would be a fair bet they are too. I'll describe the chain of events again as I am sure Dion is not the only one to misconstrue the situation. As the glider goes higher above normal high (line astern) tow the tail of the tug is pulled up. To counter this the tug pilot applies back stick. Higher glider = more back stick and also greater load on the rope*. Now in this situation if the glider releases or the rope breaks, the tug has the stick a long way back and, despite whatever speed they are doing, the tug pitches up rapidly (ie less than a second) and stalls. If there is any yaw this will cause a flick roll. *Can also get to the point where neither end can release due to too much load on the rope and the mechanical advantage of the release(s) not being enough to get over centre. A tug upset from too low would mean the tug pilot had a lot of forward stick and at release would pitch down. Scary but controllable. I have never heard of an upset like this (I imagine it could happen, just doesn't seem to). I am also guessing there is some assymetry which prevents equivalent high/low upsets (ie power of the glider elevator might be stronger pushing down on the glider = pulling up on the tug than the perhaps weaker effect of glider elevator lifting to pull the tug tail down). Regards SWK On 13/04/2011 1:51 PM, Peter F Bradshaw wrote: Are there any reports of tow induced tug stalls? On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Dion Stuart Baker wrote: It works both ways, of course. If you get too low, you pull the tail down and cause the tug to stall. I'd say a stall is more dangerous than a dive. A dive takes less time and height to recover from. Dion On 13 April 2011 13:11, DMcDslutsw...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- I am leading a campaign to save innocent trees from destruction. If you wish to print this email, please use criminal trees that deserve to die. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow?
On 13/04/2011, at 18:28 , stephenk wrote: A tug upset from too low would mean the tug pilot had a lot of forward stick and at release would pitch down. Scary but controllable. I have never heard of an upset like this (I imagine it could happen, just doesn't seem to). I am also guessing there is some assymetry which prevents equivalent high/low upsets (ie power of the glider elevator might be stronger pushing down on the glider = pulling up on the tug than the perhaps weaker effect of glider elevator lifting to pull the tug tail down). probably because the upset happens slower and is more frightening to the glider pilot, so they release earlier. I've had a number of situations where being in low tow was much more dangerous to the glider pilot than high tow. Behind a low powered tug in a ballasted glider - the tug decides he wants to climb out at 50 knots, not the 75 really want, and hits the house thermal at the end of the strip, then pulls back in it - I have no where to go except down, and initially with zero aileron control. Releasing here will result in a crash, so I hope the tug has enough forward elevator to get back down to me as I have no way of getting up to it. This has happened to be 3 times, and each time I was in high tow to begin with - had I been in low tow, I may not be here now !!! I've flown a vintage glider on a short rope - it simply didn't have enough forward elevator to maintain low tow at the slowest speed the tug could manage. Trying to stay there would probably have resulted in an uncontrolled transition to high tow and then beyond - so low tow would have caused the too high upset. I've flown a glider with a C of G hook and had the canopy scratched by the rope rubbing against it in low tow - which results in reduced visibility in flight. Ignoring the future safety implications, any normal mode of flight that causes damage to either the tug or glider is wrong, and should really be reported. At the end of the day, the most important factor is the safety of BOTH the glider AND the tug, not one or the other, and I will make a decision based on the situation, but with a default assumption of low tow. If the tug pilot is unhappy that I want high, he can refuse to tow me. In the situations above, a short rope if either a major cause of the problem, or makes it worse. If I'm presented with a short rope, expect me in high tow. In any situation, a C of G hook and a short rope is asking for trouble ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow?
Well put Mathew. Think problems arrise when tugpilot has heavy high wing loading glider on the back (heavy std class can be worst) and they tow far too slow near ground. Tow pilots (esp non active single seat glider pilots) must be more aware of what they have behind. Perhaps good practice would be some tug pilots have an annual gider type id quiz with max wing loading+speeds! Ian Mcphee 0428847642 -Original Message- From: Matthew Gage m...@knightschallenge.com Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011 8:26 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow? On 13/04/2011, at 18:28 , stephenk wrote: A tug upset from too low would mean the tug pilot had a lot of forward stick and at release would pitch down. Scary but controllable. I have never heard of an upset like this (I imagine it could happen, just doesn't seem to). I am also guessing there is some assymetry which prevents equivalent high/low upsets (ie power of the glider elevator might be stronger pushing down on the glider = pulling up on the tug than the perhaps weaker effect of glider elevator lifting to pull the tug tail down). probably because the upset happens slower and is more frightening to the glider pilot, so they release earlier. I've had a number of situations where being in low tow was much more dangerous to the glider pilot than high tow. Behind a low powered tug in a ballasted glider - the tug decides he wants to climb out at 50 knots, not the 75 really want, and hits the house thermal at the end of the strip, then pulls back in it - I have no where to go except down, and initially with zero aileron control. Releasing here will result in a crash, so I hope the tug has enough forward elevator to get back down to me as I have no way of getting up to it. This has happened to be 3 times, and each time I was in high tow to begin with - had I been in low tow, I may not be here now !!! I've flown a vintage glider on a short rope - it simply didn't have enough forward elevator to maintain low tow at the slowest speed the tug could manage. Trying to stay there would probably have resulted in an uncontrolled transition to high tow and then beyond - so low tow would have caused the too high upset. I've flown a glider with a C of G hook and had the canopy scratched by the rope rubbing against it in low tow - which results in reduced visibility in flight. Ignoring the future safety implications, any normal mode of flight that causes damage to either the tug or glider is wrong, and should really be reported. At the end of the day, the most important factor is the safety of [The entire original message is not included] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
Hi all, I'm about to wire in a new transceiver and note it has an audio input for your CD player, ipod etc. Which got me wonderingdo any of you listen to music while soaring? What music is it, or what would it be if you did? Cheers, Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
I do sometimes if I get a good run. Just random music for me. I did just get some flamenco kind of instrumental tunes that I thought might be good. Have to remember not to have it to loud though so you can hear the radio. Kindest Regards Grant Davies m. 0419 818 315 f. 07 41 54 14 36 e. gr...@davies.id.au -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of bcole...@xstratacoal.com.au Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011 12:52 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? Hi all, I'm about to wire in a new transceiver and note it has an audio input for your CD player, ipod etc. Which got me wonderingdo any of you listen to music while soaring? What music is it, or what would it be if you did? Cheers, Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
HA, Back some time ago, when walkmen first came out in the US, a friend who could not get hold of one fitted what for the times was a small ghetto blaster to the A frame of his hang glider. He wore headphones under his helmet. You'd see him a few hundred feet over the take-off with his neck going in and out like a demented turtle and occasionally hear a horrible goose-like cackling which sounded like Been a long lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely time, Yes, it has. D On 14/04/2011, Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au wrote: I do sometimes if I get a good run. Just random music for me. I did just get some flamenco kind of instrumental tunes that I thought might be good. Have to remember not to have it to loud though so you can hear the radio. Kindest Regards Grant Davies m. 0419 818 315 f. 07 41 54 14 36 e. gr...@davies.id.au -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of bcole...@xstratacoal.com.au Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011 12:52 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? Hi all, I'm about to wire in a new transceiver and note it has an audio input for your CD player, ipod etc. Which got me wonderingdo any of you listen to music while soaring? What music is it, or what would it be if you did? Cheers, Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
And your Flarm Alarm??? Good run?? Under a cloud street.someone coming the other way ? On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au wrote: I do sometimes if I get a good run. Just random music for me. I did just get some flamenco kind of instrumental tunes that I thought might be good. Have to remember not to have it to loud though so you can hear the radio. Kindest Regards Grant Davies m. 0419 818 315 f. 07 41 54 14 36 e. gr...@davies.id.au -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of bcole...@xstratacoal.com.au Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011 12:52 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? Hi all, I'm about to wire in a new transceiver and note it has an audio input for your CD player, ipod etc. Which got me wonderingdo any of you listen to music while soaring? What music is it, or what would it be if you did? Cheers, Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Please Take NoteOur New Address and contact details Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Performance Equipment Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 3879 4005 www.spe.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
I also listen to a bit of music during cross country flights. It seems to make me more focused for whatever reason (I also listen to an iPod at work where it has the same effect). I listen to a pretty wide range, though nothing too pumping. Should also mention that it is never even close to being loud enough to block out any outside noise. I can still hear vario (which I like very quiet) and flarm with ease. Tom - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. To:, Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Sent:Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:45:57 +1000 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? And your Flarm Alarm??? Good run?? Under a cloud streetsomeone coming the other way ? On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Grant Davies wrote: I do sometimes if I get a good run. Just random music for me. I did just get some flamenco kind of instrumental tunes that I thought might be good. Have to remember not to have it to loud though so you can hear the radio. Kindest Regards Grant Davies m. 0419 818 315 f. 07 41 54 14 36 e. gr...@davies.id.au [2] -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [3] [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [4]] On Behalf Of bcole...@xstratacoal.com.au [5] Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011 12:52 PM To: aus-soar...@lists.internodeon.net [6] Subject: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? Hi all, I'm about to wire in a new transceiver and note it has an audio input for your CD player, ipod etc. Which got me wonderingdo any of you listen to music while soaring? What music is it, or what would it be if you did? Cheers, Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [7] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring [8] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [9] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring [10] -- Please Take NoteOur New Address and contact details Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Performance Equipment Unit 2, 1472 Boundary RdWacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 3879 4005 www.spe.com.au [11] Links: -- [1] mailto:gr...@davies.id.au [2] mailto:gr...@davies.id.au [3] mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [4] mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [5] mailto:bcole...@xstratacoal.com.au [6] mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [7] mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [8] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring [9] mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.onnet [10] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring [11] http://www.spe.com.au/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
I thought this one would have the fun police out pretty quickly! You can wire these things up to cut out the music when a radio call comes through. I’m thinking, if there’s a way for the radio, then there’d be a solution to having it cut out also for the FLARM also. For me, I don’t listen to music while soaring. Why? Not because it’s unsafe, but because it detracts from my speed points. WPP From: Mark Fisher Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:15 PM To: gr...@davies.id.au ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? And your Flarm Alarm??? Good run?? Under a cloud street.someone coming the other way ? On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au wrote: I do sometimes if I get a good run. Just random music for me. I did just get some flamenco kind of instrumental tunes that I thought might be good. Have to remember not to have it to loud though so you can hear the radio. Kindest Regards Grant Davies m. 0419 818 315 f. 07 41 54 14 36 e. gr...@davies.id.au -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of bcole...@xstratacoal.com.au Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011 12:52 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? Hi all, I'm about to wire in a new transceiver and note it has an audio input for your CD player, ipod etc. Which got me wonderingdo any of you listen to music while soaring? What music is it, or what would it be if you did? Cheers, Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Please Take NoteOur New Address and contact details Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Performance Equipment Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 3879 4005 www.spe.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
Not a problem when you are 30 years of age Tom. Get an old set of ears and see how you go. For me, I'd like to think pilots are flying their gliders with all their OWN instruments focused on the job, especially when they are anywhere near me. If it truly enhanced flying ability every comp pilot in the world would be 'plugged in'. Somehow I don't think you'll find too many admit to doing this. How would you feel about your instructor plugging his Ipod into his head while training because it increased his focus ? If you were working for me, your IPOD would be elsewhere. ..Just a grumpy old man talking I suspect. What's your aircraft Rego?? I'll keep an eye out for it. Cheers Mark On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 2:05 PM, tom.wilk...@internode.on.net wrote: I also listen to a bit of music during cross country flights It seems to make me more focused for whatever reason (I also listen to an iPod at work where it has the same effect). I listen to a pretty wide range, though nothing too pumping. Should also mention that it is never even close to being loud enough to block out any outside noise. I can still hear vario (which I like very quiet) and flarm with ease. Tom - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: gr...@davies.id.au, Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.onnet Cc: Sent: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:45:57 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? And your Flarm Alarm??? Good run?? Under a cloud street.someone coming the other way ? On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au wrote: I do sometimes if I get a good run. Just random music for me. I did just get some flamenco kind of instrumental tunes that I thought might be good. Have to remember not to have it to loud though so you can hear the radio. Kindest Regards Grant Davies m 0419 818 315 f. 07 41 54 14 36 e. gr...@davies.id.au -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of bcole...@xstratacoal.com.au Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011 12:52 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? Hi all, I'm about to wire in a new transceiver and note it has an audio input for your CD player, ipod etc. Which got me wonderingdo any of you listen to music while soaring? What music is it, or what would it be if you did? Cheers, Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://listsinternode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Please Take NoteOur New Address and contact details Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Performance Equipment Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 3879 4005 www.spe.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Please Take NoteOur New Address and contact details Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Performance Equipment Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 3879 4005 www.spe.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
Simple answer for me. NO. Never even contemplated it. Patch - Original Message - From: bcole...@xstratacoal.com.au To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 14 April, 2011 12:52:02 PM GMT +10:00 Canberra / Melbourne / Sydney Subject: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? Hi all, I'm about to wire in a new transceiver and note it has an audio input for your CD player, ipod etc. Which got me wonderingdo any of you listen to music while soaring? What music is it, or what would it be if you did? Cheers, Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
I tried it on R/C gliders once, don't think it made me fly any better, in fact the reverse was true. Same result first few times with a vario, but I've got used to that -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ruth Patching Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011 3:17 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? Simple answer for me. NO. Never even contemplated it. Patch - Original Message - From: bcole...@xstratacoal.com.au To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 14 April, 2011 12:52:02 PM GMT +10:00 Canberra / Melbourne / Sydney Subject: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying? Hi all, I'm about to wire in a new transceiver and note it has an audio input for your CD player, ipod etc. Which got me wonderingdo any of you listen to music while soaring? What music is it, or what would it be if you did? Cheers, Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
What's your aircraft Rego?? I'll keep an eye out for it.
Should you be keeping an eye out for ALL aircrafts regardless of rego?
:-P
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[Aus-soaring] Blanik fix (EASA)
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik fix (EASA)
The important bit: There is the price for the kit of ADC (€ 6500.- excl. taxes) plus the costs of its installation at your maintenance organization. On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Bernie Baer bb...@internode.on.net wrote: http://www.aircraftdc.de/ENG/visionen_blanik.htm ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
