Re: [Aus-soaring] Newbie Questions
You can look on the GFA website: http://www.glidingaustralia.org/ In the top left corner there is a menu list. At the bottom of the list is Finding a Gliding Club You will also see New to Gliding and other useful items that will help you to get started. Regards -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Neville Sutton Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013 2:45 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Newbie Questions I am told that you don't need a License to Glide in Australia But there are endorsements or classes ?? I have read online the way to get into Gliding is to Join a local club (I am still trying to find out if local club is still operating) What exams are there and is it possible to study them now (before flying) The process to me seems very confusing Then if a glider has a motor can I assume you need a license Also is there Plans build gliders i.e. build from scratch not a kit All Google seems to return is Models i.e.radio control Regards ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Newbie Questions
Further to the other replies, If you glider has a motor you under go some additional training at your club and get a motor glider endorsement. This endorsement has two stages: The first is for local use and the other for touring. Of course you can within that endorsement have self launching and sustainer use, depending on the type and power of motor. The motor glider endorsement is quite aircraft specific, because every one has different controls and characteristics as do gliders. Casa (some say civilians against sports aviation) is introducing an international licence which can be used over seas. Out glider pilot certificate goes well beyond solo flying and so you can fly progressively higher levels before you get that certificate. Michael On 23/08/2013, at 2:49 PM, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Neville, CASA has delegated the GFA to manage and administer Gliding in Australia. The GFA controls gliding via the clubs. Therefore you have to join a club. Addresses are given on the GFA website. There is a training syllabus, and you can fly a glider when the CFI of your club says that you can. If you want to build a glider from plans there are approved designs. The cost of second hand gliders means it is not really worth doing that but if you are interested there are some unfinished homebuilt projects which you could acquire. Peter Champness On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Neville Sutton nevs...@wideband.net.au wrote: I am told that you don't need a License to Glide in Australia But there are endorsements or classes ?? I have read online the way to get into Gliding is to Join a local club (I am still trying to find out if local club is still operating) What exams are there and is it possible to study them now (before flying) The process to me seems very confusing Then if a glider has a motor can I assume you need a license Also is there Plans build gliders i.e. build from scratch not a kit All Google seems to return is Models i.e.radio control Regards ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 119, Issue 37
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:44:34 +1000 From: Neville Sutton nevs...@wideband.net.au Subject: [Aus-soaring] Newbie Questions To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: 5216e8b2.5070...@wideband.net.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am told that you don't need a License to Glide in Australia But there are endorsements or classes ?? I have read online the way to get into Gliding is to Join a local club (I am still trying to find out if local club is still operating) What exams are there and is it possible to study them now (before flying) The process to me seems very confusing Then if a glider has a motor can I assume you need a license Also is there Plans build gliders i.e. build from scratch not a kit All Google seems to return is Models i.e.radio control Regards -- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:13:45 +1000 From: Gary Stevenson gstev...@bigpond.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Newbie Questions To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: 002101ce9fbf$8aa608b0$9ff21a10$@com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii First question; Where do you live? If it is a big city name the suburb. Gary Thanks I live in Eastern Victoria (Latrobe Valley) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 119, Issue 37
Hi Neville, Already you should have quite a bit more information as a result of responses to your initial query. Now that I have a rough idea of where you live, here is what I suggest: Most gliding clubs around the country usually work on a weekends and public holidays basis. As the weekend is upon us, gliding people will be attending their various clubs. The nearest club to you is probably the Latrobe Valley Gliding Club, Airfield Road, Morwell. So the people there are the obvious ones to first talk to. I understand that the contact person for the LVGC is Michelle Lappin, 0407839238. Give Michelle a call, and run your queries past her. I can assure you that despite your misgivings the process is in fact VERY straight forward. I also suggest that you ask Michelle if the club will be flying this weekend - the sport is after all weather dependant - and if so arrange to go to the airfield, and have a look at operations. If the club is flying, you can also arrange to have a flight with an experienced pilot in a two-seater glider. This is called an Air Experience Flight (AEF). Ask Michelle how much this will cost you. As a result of the AEF, most people instantly know if the sport is something they want to take up. Here is one comment I have heard ... (almost) better than sex. BE WARNED, the sport is addictive! Good luck. Gary -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Neville Sutton Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013 9:53 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 119, Issue 37 Message: 3 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:44:34 +1000 From: Neville Sutton nevs...@wideband.net.au Subject: [Aus-soaring] Newbie Questions To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: 5216e8b2.5070...@wideband.net.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am told that you don't need a License to Glide in Australia But there are endorsements or classes ?? I have read online the way to get into Gliding is to Join a local club (I am still trying to find out if local club is still operating) What exams are there and is it possible to study them now (before flying) The process to me seems very confusing Then if a glider has a motor can I assume you need a license Also is there Plans build gliders i.e. build from scratch not a kit All Google seems to return is Models i.e.radio control Regards -- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:13:45 +1000 From: Gary Stevenson gstev...@bigpond.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Newbie Questions To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: 002101ce9fbf$8aa608b0$9ff21a10$@com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii First question; Where do you live? If it is a big city name the suburb. Gary Thanks I live in Eastern Victoria (Latrobe Valley) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6600 - Release Date: 08/22/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliders, glider manufacturers, service
G'day Gary, I bought Louis Solomon's, Ventus1a VH-UKM. At the end of the refurb process at the moment, putting in a new ClearNav panel - custom designed, of course will be painted red again! The interior is getting a touch up too, to match the DUO XL colour scheme. Will look a million dollars once finished I hope. Last but not least, the glider has been through a change of rego to: VH-WPP Planning on running two optimal cheap'ish gliders, both capable of winning their respective classes: Club 15m. Both my gliders out of the sky atm, so flying a club Discus today. 260km racing task already set at KSC for the day! Cheers, WPP P.s. Jim bought David Pietches ZZ :) On 22/08/2013, at 22:21, Gary Stevenson gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Adam, As you seem to be in a frisky mood, please advise whose Ventus you bought. How much time have you done in it? What are your first impressions? Whose ’20 did Jim buy? On a more serious note, in my experience, the S-H factory provides great service, and the fact that Mike Maddocks is the Oz agent is (I consider), a bonus. Don’t know about Schleicher’s. Never had to have any dealings with them – which as the owner of one of their ships may be the ultimate compliment – but Bernard Eckey as the Oz agent seems to be knowledgeable, competent, and totally committed to the cause. Is it out of place to ask here about customers’ experiences – good, bad; amusing even, when dealing with Bernard? DG? – well maybe the owners of current aircraft can make some comment here as to the service they get? As far as older ships are concerned I am tempted to say “forget it”, but that is totally simplistic. However when it come to buying/selling an older DG aircraft, there isn’t the slightest doubt that the factory policy has had a major impact; not good for a seller, and depending on price – in what is already a buyer’s market – maybe good - even very good - for a potential buyer. If you are prepared to pay for it, you will still get service. Then there is the SZD 56 (Diana), from Poland in its several evolutions. First there is the language barrier, and then you have to deal with Bogumil Beres, firstly designer, later factory owner. Possibly a real visionary (but nobody can do it entirely on their own), and Beres has (yet??), to come to terms with this. The Diana 2 is the current hottest 15 m ship without doubt, but not without its problems. Down the track there may be maintenance issues. One that comes to mind is the water ballast/control rod interfaces. The whole wing is filled, so the control rods have to pass through the ballast tanks. No Dianas in Australia, so don’t worry. Cheers, Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 7:51 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman Trophy Glider Request That's what I like to hear! Schempp-Hirth all the way. Starting to save up for the Ventus 3aJ already! Dad may or may not be impressed with the thought/plan though.. SeeYou, WPP On 22/08/2013, at 8:04, Cee Kay fibremi...@gmail.com wrote: I know someone with a soon to be refurb'd Ventus a, WPP. Although it might be a little faster than a 20 ;-) Chris On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: On behalf of Peter Trotter, We need a glider for the NZ Tasman Trophy rep to fly at the Kingaroy nationals which are from 14th to 25th October. Our rep is Jim Crowhurst who flies an ASW 20 so something similar would be preferred. If you have something available could you contact Peter Trotter at peter.trott...@bigpond.com Regards, Adam Woolley ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliders, glider manufacturers, service
VH-WPP Excellent! Jim From: Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliders, glider manufacturers, service G'day Gary, I bought Louis Solomon's, Ventus1a VH-UKM. At the end of the refurb process at the moment, putting in a new ClearNav panel - custom designed, of course will be painted red again! The interior is getting a touch up too, to match the DUO XL colour scheme. Will look a million dollars once finished I hope. Last but not least, the glider has been through a change of rego to: VH-WPP Planning on running two optimal cheap'ish gliders, both capable of winning their respective classes: Club 15m. Both my gliders out of the sky atm, so flying a club Discus today. 260km racing task already set at KSC for the day! Cheers, WPP P.s. Jim bought David Pietches ZZ :) On 22/08/2013, at 22:21, Gary Stevenson gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Adam, As you seem to be in a frisky mood, please advise whose Ventus you bought. How much time have you done in it? What are your first impressions? Whose ’20 did Jim buy? On a more serious note, in my experience, the S-H factory provides great service, and the fact that Mike Maddocks is the Oz agent is (I consider), a bonus. Don’t know about Schleicher’s. Never had to have any dealings with them – which as the owner of one of their ships may be the ultimate compliment – but Bernard Eckey as the Oz agent seems to be knowledgeable, competent, and totally committed to the cause. Is it out of place to ask here about customers’ experiences – good, bad; amusing even, when dealing with Bernard? DG? – well maybe the owners of current aircraft can make some comment here as to the service they get? As far as older ships are concerned I am tempted to say “forget it”, but that is totally simplistic. However when it come to buying/selling an older DG aircraft, there isn’t the slightest doubt that the factory policy has had a major impact; not good for a seller, and depending on price – in what is already a buyer’s market – maybe good - even very good - for a potential buyer. If you are prepared to pay for it, you will still get service. Then there is the SZD 56 (Diana), from Poland in its several evolutions. First there is the language barrier, and then you have to deal with Bogumil Beres, firstly designer, later factory owner. Possibly a real visionary (but nobody can do it entirely on their own), and Beres has (yet??), to come to terms with this. The Diana 2 is the current hottest 15 m ship without doubt, but not without its problems. Down the track there may be maintenance issues. One that comes to mind is the water ballast/control rod interfaces. The whole wing is filled, so the control rods have to pass through the ballast tanks. No Dianas in Australia, so don’t worry. Cheers, Gary From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 7:51 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman Trophy Glider Request That's what I like to hear! Schempp-Hirth all the way. Starting to save up for the Ventus 3aJ already! Dad may or may not be impressed with the thought/plan though.. SeeYou, WPP On 22/08/2013, at 8:04, Cee Kay fibremi...@gmail.com wrote: I know someone with a soon to be refurb'd Ventus a, WPP. Although it might be a little faster than a 20 ;-) Chris On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: On behalf of Peter Trotter, We need a glider for the NZ Tasman Trophy rep to fly at the Kingaroy nationals which are from 14th to 25th October. Our rep is Jim Crowhurst who flies an ASW 20 so something similar would be preferred. If you have something available could you contact Peter Trotter at peter.trott...@bigpond.com Regards, Adam Woolley ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
[Aus-soaring] CBT
Just to clarify Competency Based Training should not be based on % mark in anyway main word is Should. The way CBT should operate is: does the subject ( knowledge you are imparting) is it a skill or knowledge or both to be able to complete the subject successfully, meaning can the participant either demonstrate the skill or knowledge or not. If there is a still a gap during the assessment it s technically a NYC (Not Yet Competent) meaning that the participant needs to research and find the answer, there are methods is doing this but I am going into the here. So If it's knowledge based or a skill they need they can either know or do it or they can,t or don't know it. The main thing here is the criteria for assessment (the information or skill required to be demonstrated ) must be written down ( and the same no matter which club one attends) and explained to them prior and when the participant feels ready they can be assessed. Yes it very criteria based (lots of paperwork) but in the industry I am accredited to train in, safety is paramount. Just like gliding you often do not get a second chance. This is ever brief overview . Brian On Wednesday, 21 August 2013, wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net javascript:; To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net javascript:; You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net javascript:; When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. part 61 Pilot licence (Mal Bruce) 2. Re: part 61 Pilot licence (john.mcfarlane) 3. Re: Pre season offer (Mike Borgelt) 4. Re: Pre season offer (Mike Borgelt) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:17:08 +1000 From: Mal Bruce m...@mals.net javascript:; Subject: [Aus-soaring] part 61 Pilot licence To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net javascript:; Message-ID: 412D6E39615B4164967920309DBC597A@MalPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Gliding has always been CBA Just because your book smart does not make you a good pilot. Derek I am at TAFE at the moment the pass mark is 80% for ACMA Open Rule licence. http://swsi.edu.au/tafe-courses/find-a-course/courses/19486/Telecommunications/8378 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20130820/29785a32/attachment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:43:58 +0930 From: john.mcfarlane john.mcfarl...@mcfarlane.net.au javascript:; Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] part 61 Pilot licence To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net javascript:; Message-ID: 009b01ce9d9e$c12abc00$43803400$@mcfarlane.net.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CBT at its absolute minimum is Acceptable Mediocrity Is this what we really want.. Then wait until the J Curve assert's itself and Insurance isn't possible, at anything like an acceptable rate, and all training organisations cant training people cause the CBT syllabus costs 400% more(Due to insurance coverage) and Trainee's aren't covered during training and neither is your training assett From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net javascript:; [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net javascript:;] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 11:06 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] part 61 Pilot licence I have recent experience in both Tafe Diploma and Cert IV level courses. It appears it is politically incorrect to fail people, so they are assessed as 'competent', or 'not yet competent' with the cutoff being 50%. As a high failure rate will reflect badly on the teaching of the course, there appears to be an emphasis on passing people. It just leads to a dumbing down of the qualifications in my opinion. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net javascript:; [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net javascript:;] On Behalf Of emilis prelgauskas Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 8:56 AM To: Mal Bruce; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] part 61 Pilot licence The 'whole world' is moving toward 'CertIV' style accredited training. I have experience with this in both my working and 'not-for-profit' worlds. The problem arises when the 'competency based training' doesn't draw in superior academic standards existing (ie graduate degree and above)
[Aus-soaring] ScratchBuild
Where can one find Plans build gliders i.e. build from scratch not a kit All Google seems to return is Models i.e.radio control Is there a list of suppliers somewhere that supplies Glider Avionics etc? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ScratchBuild
Neville, The old saying goes that you have to learn walk before you can run. In your case you need to first of all learn how to crawl! My guess is that you haven't the slightest idea on WHAT modern gliders are made of, let alone HOW? I suggest that you become a LOT more familiar about the sport itself, before even THINKING about trying to build a glider. If you want to gain some experience with working on wooden gliders, I suggest that you contact the Vintage Gliding Association, and volunteer you services, say 1 or 2 days per week. After you have done that for a year or two you will have a better idea of the magnitude of the task, the skills that are needed, and -let's face it - the plain stupidity of your idea! If you are not convinced, here is another tip: Google Concordia Project and follow the links. You will note that the first requirement is to be a multi-millionaire! Gary -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Neville Sutton Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2013 2:08 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] ScratchBuild Where can one find Plans build gliders i.e. build from scratch not a kit All Google seems to return is Models i.e.radio control Is there a list of suppliers somewhere that supplies Glider Avionics etc? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6603 - Release Date: 08/23/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ScratchBuild
Hi Neville, You might find some value on this site http://www.hpaircraft.com/plans/ But as acknowledged on the page, not enough to build from scratch. On the same site you'll find kits for the much more modern hp24. The creator is an active poster on the US equivalent of this list, rec.aviation.soaring and you might find more advice there. As for avionics, swiftavionics and Borgelt instruments come to mind as local suppliers. I've seen complete plans for vintage aircraft show up on wingsandwheels before too, may be worth keeping your eyes out there. -matthew On Aug 24, 2013 1:39 PM, Neville Sutton nevs...@wideband.net.au wrote: Where can one find Plans build gliders i.e. build from scratch not a kit All Google seems to return is Models i.e.radio control Is there a list of suppliers somewhere that supplies Glider Avionics etc? __**_ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.**on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/**mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
