[aus-soaring] A treat for all glider pilots in South Australia
Hello Friends, We have the great pleasure of calling the famous glider designer Gerhard Waibel our guest while he is on a private tour through Australia and NZ. Gerhard has kindly agreed to present his paper “Gliders of the future” at Adelaide University at 7-30 pm on Thursday 30.10.2003. Andrew Wright has already organised lecture room N 218 in the “Engineering North Building” for Gerhard’s presentation. Please bring drinks or nibbles to share. This should be a great night enabling glider pilots of this state to get a glimpse into the future of glider design. Gerhard and I really look forward to seeing all of you there. Bernard Eckey
[Aus-soaring] Gerhard Waibel's presentation
Dear Friends, I have good news and bad news for you. The good news is that Gerhard Waibel is presenting his paper “GLIDERS OF THE FUTURE” as planned at Adelaide Uni at 7.30 pm on Thursday 30th of October. The bad news is that due to time constraints he was thinking of cancelling his visit to SA. However, I asked former World Champion Brad Edwards to fly Gerhard to Adelaide in his private aircraft. Brad has agreed and although he regards this service as a contribution to the gliding movement he has suggested that at least a modest part of the costs is refunded to him. As a result you will be asked to make a small donation. Looking forward to seeing you all at 7.30 pm on 30.10. in front of the Engineering North building at Adelaide Uni. (if you are late or if you can’t find us feel free to ring me on 0412 981 204) Regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] What a day??
Hello Leigh Yours truly did 1100km in the ASH25 but only made it because of a final glide climb on the approaching front. By the way, the cumulus clouds were more like 13000ft in the mid north of the state. Bernard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leigh Bunting Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2003 9:40 PM To: Soaring List Subject: [Aus-soaring] What a day?? Hi All, It was a stinker in Melbourne and even hotter in Adelaide. From Melbourne there appeared to be Cu from horizon to horizon. As we climbed out of Tullamarine on the 1745 to Adelaide, we passed through the base of the Cu at 12000 abeam Bacchus Marsh. We were tooling along at 400kts ground speed at FL390 in the tops of the cirrus. Through the gaps in the cirrus, I could see the Cu continuing all the way to at least abeam Bordertown. Sitting on the left side, I couldn't see what was happening in the northern sector as we approached the coastal area of the Coorong. Turning towards Adelaide, we descended through the Cu at FL150 to FL160. Walking across the Adelaide tarmac, the Cu was still active at 1830 local, all the way north. A day you seem to have been able to have gone anywhere in a glider. As it wasn't me, did anyone have the chance to use what appeared to be the best soaring day in years? If so, let's hear about it. Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] C201 Marianne
Hello Anthony I'm not sure but I think the Gympie gliding club placed an order for the aircraft but changed to an ASK 21 after being told that the A/C is no longer in production. Bernard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 26 February 2004 10:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Aus-soaring] C201 Marianne Hi all, I recall a recent message (circa Christmas -New Year) where someone brought a C201 Marianne into Oz. I am interested to find out what they think of the aircraft (or from anyone else with experience on the type). Regards Anthony ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] SAGA winter lecture
Just a quick reminder that the next SAGA winter lecture will be presented by, Frank Johann And Sid Nankevill tomorrow night. ( Wednesday 25.8.2004) The topic is “Navigation for glider pilots” but on top of that we have a little surprise for you. As usual we will meet at 19:30 in room N123 (first floor) at the Engineering North Building of Adelaide University. If you attend for the first time and have difficulties finding us please feel free to ring Andrew Wright on 0427 976779 or 83034648. It should be a very interesting night - don’t miss it!!! Bernard Eckey RTO Sports for SA & NT ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] SAGA Winter lecture series
Just a quick reminder that the next SAGA winter lecture will be presented by Bernard Eckey on Wednesday night. (22.9.2004) The topic is “Thermals and thermalling”. As usual we will meet at 19:30 in room N123 (first floor) at the Engineering North Building of Adelaide University. If you attend for the first time and have difficulties finding us please feel free to ring Andrew Wright on 0427 976779 or 83034648. It should be a very interesting night - don’t miss it!!! Bernard Eckey RTO Sports for SA & NT Bernard & Christel Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
Today I will break from tradition and stick my beak in fully expecting to be shot down in flames because of my background as SCHLEICHER agent in Australia, NZ and Japan. The sad track record of the Puchacz is an ever growing list of approx. 40 dead glider pilots with the same number of grieving spouses/mothers. To me it is very difficult to understand why there are still pilots on this list who in all seriousness defend this aircraft and call it a "trainer". In some overseas countries the A/C got the name "Widow maker" GA aircraft with such an appalling loss ratio would get their C of A withdrawn. Apart from the technical shortcomings there is also the commercial aspect. A well known Australian gliding club purchased a Puchacz only about 6 years ago. Although hardly winch-launched the A/C was taken out of service well before reaching its 3000 hr limit due to an ever growing number of loose rivets. At the time the club dismissed the ASK 21 "because it is too expensive". A Polish 2-seater was purchased instead for half price but with a 3000 hrs service limit. Today - a mere 6 years later - the value of the A/C is down to scrap metal. For twice the money the club could have got an ASK 21 with 18000 hours, twice as nice to fly, much better performance and handling, no nasty spin habits, aerobatic capabilities and a maintenance record second to none. Now, you work that out!!! Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 9:41 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun) Polish gliders seem to require correct spin recovery rather than allowing you to get away with just using one control. I wonder if this has something to do with the Puchacz problem. I met someone in a wheelchair in Germany who was there because of a spin accident. -Cath -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Parncutt Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 7:53 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun) Yes Harry I agree, accidental spinning at low altitude is the real danger and we must never lose focus that the reason for its training is to ensure that pilots can recover quickly in an emergency. I also believe the real emphasis should be the training of recognising and recovering from the incipient stages. I well remember one most horrific things I have ever seen was watching (from above) a Cirrus entering an accidental spin on joining downwind. he did a full orbit and from my vantage point I was sure he was going to crash, thank god he managed to recover and then in an obviously very shocked and disorientated state proceeded to stretch out his circuit to make it back to the flight line and nearly came to grief doing that! I personally don't enjoy extended spinning practice, I don't think it serves much purpose, I'd rather be climbing in a thermal than wasting all that height! I must confess to being rather puzzled by the bad record of the Puchaz in regard to spin accidents especially overseas. As I mentioned before I have found it to be the most docile and predictable in its characteristics of any two seat glider I have ever flown. Perhaps there may lay the problem, a false sense of security causing pilots to experiment with spinning at lower altitudes than they would have in less forgiving aircraft. John Parncutt VMFG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harry Medlicott Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:51 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun) John, You are right, spins in an IS 28 can be unpleasant and not willingly practised without a lot of air underneath you. I have not flown a Puchaz but the statistics say it all. If anyone has precise figures, then let us all know but I understand it is about the worst of any current training glider. Spinning accidents don't normally happen at altitude, it is the ones close to the ground that cause the accidents. Training at altitude undertaking a number of turns might be fun but I doubt if it saves many lives. What is needed is plenty of practice at instantly taking the appropriate recovery action when a spin is developing and, yes, preferably when and if the real thing happens, you are flying a docile glider. Why make life harder than we need to? Harry Medlicott - Original Message - From: "John Parncutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, Sept
RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)
John, you are right. In the second paragraph of my posting it should have read Puchatek and not Puchacz. My sincere apologies. Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Parncutt Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 4:59 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun) Bernard, I think there may be some confusion in your mind regaring the Puchacz Quote the A/C was taken out of service well before reaching its 3000 hr limit due to an ever growing number of loose rivets. Today - a mere 6 years later - the value of the A/C is down to scrap metal. Unquote The SZD-50-3 Puchacz is a Glass aircraft with not much metal! Are you perhaps thinking of a Puchatek, which is an all metal machine and not (as far as I am aware part of this discussion thread regarding spin problems) John Parncutt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of B&C Eckey Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:42 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun) Today I will break from tradition and stick my beak in fully expecting to be shot down in flames because of my background as SCHLEICHER agent in Australia, NZ and Japan. The sad track record of the Puchacz is an ever growing list of approx. 40 dead glider pilots with the same number of grieving spouses/mothers. To me it is very difficult to understand why there are still pilots on this list who in all seriousness defend this aircraft and call it a "trainer". In some overseas countries the A/C got the name "Widow maker" GA aircraft with such an appalling loss ratio would get their C of A withdrawn. Apart from the technical shortcomings there is also the commercial aspect. A well known Australian gliding club purchased a Puchacz only about 6 years ago. Although hardly winch-launched the A/C was taken out of service well before reaching its 3000 hr limit due to an ever growing number of loose rivets. At the time the club dismissed the ASK 21 "because it is too expensive". A Polish 2-seater was purchased instead for half price but with a 3000 hrs service limit. Today - a mere 6 years later - the value of the A/C is down to scrap metal. For twice the money the club could have got an ASK 21 with 18000 hours, twice as nice to fly, much better performance and handling, no nasty spin habits, aerobatic capabilities and a maintenance record second to none. Now, you work that out!!! Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 9:41 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun) Polish gliders seem to require correct spin recovery rather than allowing you to get away with just using one control. I wonder if this has something to do with the Puchacz problem. I met someone in a wheelchair in Germany who was there because of a spin accident. -Cath -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Parncutt Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 7:53 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun) Yes Harry I agree, accidental spinning at low altitude is the real danger and we must never lose focus that the reason for its training is to ensure that pilots can recover quickly in an emergency. I also believe the real emphasis should be the training of recognising and recovering from the incipient stages. I well remember one most horrific things I have ever seen was watching (from above) a Cirrus entering an accidental spin on joining downwind. he did a full orbit and from my vantage point I was sure he was going to crash, thank god he managed to recover and then in an obviously very shocked and disorientated state proceeded to stretch out his circuit to make it back to the flight line and nearly came to grief doing that! I personally don't enjoy extended spinning practice, I don't think it serves much purpose, I'd rather be climbing in a thermal than wasting all that height! I must confess to being rather puzzled by the bad record of the Puchaz in regard to spin accidents especially overseas. As I mentioned before I have found it to be the most docile and predictable in its characteristics of any two seat glider I
RE: [Aus-soaring] Martin Simons' Book
Hello Grant We have been asked to handle the distributorship for Australia and NZ and are pleased to advise that the book is available for $108.90 plus $10.00 postage and handling from the address below. Bernard & Christel Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 11 October 2004 9:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Aus-soaring] Martin Simons' Book gidday can anyone tell me where / how I can obtain a copy of Martin Simons' book "Sailplanes 1965-2000"? Grant Harper ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] SAGA Lectures
Dear Friends Just a quick reminder that the next SAGA winter lecture will be presented by Assoc. Prof. Dr. Jorg Hacker on Wednesday night. (27.10.2004) The topic is “20 years of atmospheric research using motorised gliders - examples and outlook”. As usual we will meet at 19:30 in room N123 (first floor) at the Engineering North Building of Adelaide University. If you attend for the first time and have difficulties finding us please feel free to ring Andrew Wright on 0427 976779 or 83034648. It should be a very interesting night - don’t miss it!!! Bernard Eckey RTO Sports for SA & NT ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Gawler Week
Dear Friends Andrew Wright has asked me to post the following advertisement: GAWLER WEEK – A week of fun cross-country flying, coaching and training. December 26th to 30th 2004. At the Gawler Airfield. FEATURING: Great fun flying ! Excellent Weather ( I promise! ) Morning Briefings. Afternoon debriefs in the BAR. Lunches available form the best bakery on planet earth. Evening meals at a pub in Gawler is sufficient interest. Your choice of a short fun task, a longer more challenging task or do your own thing. Contact Andrew Wright on 08 8303 4648 or 0427 976 779 or by return email for more information. ANDREW WRIGHT Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] got it wrong
Emilis I was ready to pay you a visit on Sunday. When I was told that the show was off I went for a 500km out and return instead. Total time airborne was under 4 hours. I'm just mentioning it to show how good the soaring conditions were. Bernard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emilis Prelgauskas Sent: Saturday, 6 November 2004 7:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Aus-soaring] got it wrong My thanks to all the people who offered support for the gathering planned for Pallamana over the weekend. The weather on the weekend days was great. The reason the sign said - 'deferred due to bad weather' included - - the Thursday and Friday when we wanted to move gear in was persistently wet and windy and we couldn't get tug or sailplanes in - the hangar we were previously offered ended up being full of palettes which were late exiting out for similar reason, so were still there, and it did rain Sat night - for the same weather reasons, the geosurvey plane (a Furgo) was intended to be gone but was still there, and along with its fuel dump was taking up the area hoped for the flightline display. Friday afternoon the decision was to precautionarily cancel. I got it wrong. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] Nationals at Waikerie Jan 2005 - gliders for hire
Hi Peter Just make sure the Schleicher people in Germany don’t see this e-mail. They agreed to just $150 a day for the almost brand new ASW 28-18E factory demonstrator that arrived in Brisbane last week. Bernard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robinson, Peter B Sent: Monday, 8 November 2004 3:51 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Aus-soaring] Nationals at Waikerie Jan 2005 - gliders for hire Anyone looking for a glider for the club class Nationals at Waikerie in January, the following gliders are available: Discus 2T - $220 per day Hornet - $165 per day Astir CS - $150 per day Astir 77 - $150 per day Duo Discus - $225 per day Some of the above gliders are still available for Performance Week (the week prior to the comps). For further details please contact Peter Robinson Waikerie Gliding Club [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model
Hi Mike For just over Euro 70k you can have one. This price is even firm for a delivery in 2006. This amount of money gets you a COMPLETE aircraft ex works. It includes 3400 Euro (approx $6000) worth of goodies that you need to add to the list price of other manufacturers when conducting a price comparison. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, 8 November 2004 4:06 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model At 01:32 PM 8/11/04 +1030, you wrote: >Dear all Although the latest Schleicher model was only >announced a week ago we have already sold the first ASG 29 for delivery in >2006. For those of you wanting to know a bit more I have enclosed some >info. So what is the price? All up with the optional extras like wings and tailplanes. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model
Yes Chris, but the price for the ASG 29 is firm for a delivery in 2006. When you add in two Ventus price increases for 2005 and 2006 plus 3400 Euro worth of "options" that come as standard with a Schleicher glider you finish up with the same price. (perhaps even better) When a 15m ASW 27 can keep up with an 18m Ventus2cx just imagine what a 18m ASG 29 can do. After all, the ASG 29 basically retains all the great features of the ASW 27 but offers the option of 18m wings and an engine. Happy Soaring Bernard & Christel Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 8 November 2004 9:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model Seeing we are comparing gliders, I might add that for about Euro 10,000 less than Schleichers price for the ASG29, you can buy a brand new Ventus 2Cx (base model ex factory), which has proven itself quite dominantly at the latest Aussie nationals. Chris Ohh PS. For those that don't know, there is now also a new Discus 2 out in an 18m version. (The price has not been set for that yet though, just in case you ask, Mike. ;-) ) - check out www.schempp-hirth.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B&C Eckey Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:08 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model Hi Mike For just over Euro 70k you can have one. This price is even firm for a delivery in 2006. This amount of money gets you a COMPLETE aircraft ex works. It includes 3400 Euro (approx $6000) worth of goodies that you need to add to the list price of other manufacturers when conducting a price comparison. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, 8 November 2004 4:06 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model At 01:32 PM 8/11/04 +1030, you wrote: >Dear all Although the latest Schleicher model was only >announced a week ago we have already sold the first ASG 29 for delivery in >2006. For those of you wanting to know a bit more I have enclosed some >info. So what is the price? All up with the optional extras like wings and tailplanes. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model
Hi Chris In view of the fact that some people on this list are objecting to our exchange of opinions I will keep my answer as short as possible. Please contact me off line for more detailed information. To start with, you are right. The Schleicher website doesn't make it clear that the ASG 29 is available with or without engine. Schleicher is definitely not replacing the ASH26 with the ASG29. The ASH 26 was designed for the ever growing market of pilots who do not care about the widest possible range of wing loadings and similar matters mainly of interest to competition pilots. Instead they look for a comfortable self launching glider that offers them ample cockpit space, a quiet and vibration free engine as well as a long list of other advantages. For further details please refer to www.alexander-schleicher.de then go to "Your Sailplane" and select ASH 26. In contrast the ASG 29 is aimed at the competitive pilot and was primarily designed with competition scores in mind. Therefore it is only available with a lightweight "turbo" engine. (Optional extra) You are most certainly right, we have to see what the ASG 29 can do but the figures look very good indeed. The really good news for the consumer is that the intense competition between manufacturers has produced a new generation of 18 meter gliders. Sorry, my reply got a bit longer than intended. All the best Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model Well Bernard, its lucky then that I have a slot for a ventus2 available for 2005. :-) Would you care to elaborate on what extra 'goodies' one gets for 3400 Euros which are not part of the standard equipment included? Also, I am a little confused by the advertising on Schleichers website about the 29. In the second paragraph it says "Later self launching versions were ruled out right from the start, allowing our design team to avoid the numerous design compromises which have plagued previous 18m flapped gliders." Yet, in the PDF brochure there is a 3D view of the glider with an engine and they also specify a SOLO 2350 engine in the specifications. Will it or wont it have an engine? Just curious. As for the 27 keeping up with an 18m Ventus2 ..., I will leave that up to the pilots to argue that one out. I obviously have my own biased opinion on that, as do you. I know which one I would rather fly though. As for the ASG29, we will have to wait and see what it can do. Is the factory replacing the ASH26 with the ASG29? I mean, if they stick an engine into the 29, it will make the 26 obsolete. Luke, as for the LAK with trailer and everything included, I raise my hand and admit, can't keep up with that. In the end it comes down to individual choice. :-) Chris Yes Chris, but the price for the ASG 29 is firm for a delivery in 2006. When you add in two Ventus price increases for 2005 and 2006 plus 3400 Euro worth of "options" that come as standard with a Schleicher glider you finish up with the same price. (perhaps even better) When a 15m ASW 27 can keep up with an 18m Ventus2cx just imagine what a 18m ASG 29 can do. After all, the ASG 29 basically retains all the great features of the ASW 27 but offers the option of 18m wings and an engine. Happy Soaring Bernard & Christel Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 8 November 2004 9:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model Seeing we are comparing gliders, I might add that for about Euro 10,000 less than Schleichers price for the ASG29, you can buy a brand new Ventus 2Cx (base model ex factory), which has proven itself quite dominantly at the latest Aussie nationals. Chris Ohh PS. For those that don't know, there is now also a new Discus 2 out in an 18m version. (The price has not been set for that yet though, just in case you ask, Mike. ;-) ) - check out www.schempp-hirth.com -Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B&C Eckey Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:08 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model Hi Mike For just over Euro 70k you can have one. This price is even firm for a delivery in 2006. This amount of money gets you a COMPLETE aircraft ex works. It i
RE: [Aus-soaring] Magazine front cover photos
Title: Magazine front cover photos Hi David I can see nothing wrong with the proposed article. For some time I have been thinking about an article for “Soaring Australia”. Perhaps we should talk about it when we meet at Temora. With kind regards Bernard & Christel Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Conway Sent: Monday, 22 November 2004 6:46 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Magazine front cover photos Any of you photo buffs, I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions on the article below appearing in the January issue Cheers David SOARING AUSTRALIA FRONT COVER PHOTOGRAPHS At the GFA AGM/ACM held over the weekend of the 11/12th September, the new GFA Marketing and Development committee identified improving the quality and consistency of the front cover photographs of the Soaring Australia magazine as a worthwhile exercise. In addition it was recognised that the actual cost and time associated with setting up for and getting that one great shot was quite significant. Accordingly the GFA will now pay $150 for any photographs published on the front cover. There is also an award presented at the AGM/ACM each year for the best SA cover photograph, and to provide incentive for members a cash prize of $250 for the best photograph will also be presented. Please consult your club’s airworthiness or operations personnel regarding camera mounts and any other issues associated with setting up for the session. All issues must be carefully considered and pre-organised beforehand. The quality of the photographs is vital. Slides or negatives will be preferred over a 5x4 print for example which will not reproduce satisfactorily. The front cover requires a resolution of at least 3000x2000, so if you are using a digital camera that means at least a 5 Mega pixel camera, although with some processing good results can be achieved with lower resolutions. Digital photographs should be provided, in order of preference, in RAW, TIFF or JPEG format with minimal compression. Note that the front cover is a portrait so digital photos taken in landscape will need to be cropped which significantly reduces their resolution and quality. Ideally, frame the photo as a portrait to avoid this. Details including the date, location, names of photographer and pilots, aircraft and a description of the equipment used to take the photo must be provided. Digital images on CD and slides or negatives can be posted to me at the address below. Reduced size digital images can be emailed to me at the address below for preview or comment. All photographs provided may be published on the GFA website photo gallery or in future GFA calendars with acknowledgment of course. So, get those cameras out and let’s see if we can’t smarten up the front cover of our magazine! David Conway GFA Executive Vice President [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 1513 Mt Barker SA 5251 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
Hi all It has only just come to my attention that Schleicher pilots won three out of four titles at the recent NSW State comps at Temora. 18m Class – ASW 28-18E (Malcom Bruce) 15m Class – ASW 27 (Graham Parker) Open Class – ASH 25 (Paul Mander) with Malcom Bruce in ASW 28-18E in second place. On top of that, Graham Parker was awarded the trophy for the fastest flight of the competition. I believe he did a speed of 145kph on one day. Congratulations to all of you. With kind regards Bernard & Christel Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
Hi Nick I guess there is no title for coming last but that doesn’t alter the fact that Schleicher pilots won three out of four titles at the recent NSW State comps at Temora. And while I have your attention let me add that in some cases the margins were quite considerable. The new ASW 28-18E, for example, finished almost 10% ahead, despite of the fact that it was flown by a relatively unexperienced competition pilot who flew the aircraft for the very first time. To put these results into context, the new ASW 28-18E is an unflapped glider but it still beat a fleet of predominantly flapped gliders including a number of Ventus 2cx. No wonder people are already queuing for the ASG 29. For further information visit: http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/englisch/e_main.htm Bernard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gilbert Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2005 1:54 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps 3 out of 4 Titles?? Are you forgetting Club Class where schleicher gliders came last & second last? Nick. - Original Message - From: B & C Eckey To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Hi all It has only just come to my attention that Schleicher pilots won three out of four titles at the recent NSW State comps at Temora. 18m Class – ASW 28-18E (Malcom Bruce) 15m Class – ASW 27 (Graham Parker) Open Class – ASH 25 (Paul Mander) with Malcom Bruce in ASW 28-18E in second place. On top of that, Graham Parker was awarded the trophy for the fastest flight of the competition. I believe he did a speed of 145kph on one day. Congratulations to all of you. With kind regards Bernard & Christel Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
Yes, Nick – you were too subtle for me. Sorry for getting the impression that you were trying to have a go at me. With kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gilbert Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2005 4:10 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Maybe I was too subtle. There were 5 titles at Temora : Std - 15m/Std - 18m - Open/18m - Club. Nick. - Original Message - From: B & C Eckey To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Hi Nick I guess there is no title for coming last but that doesn’t alter the fact that Schleicher pilots won three out of four titles at the recent NSW State comps at Temora. And while I have your attention let me add that in some cases the margins were quite considerable. The new ASW 28-18E, for example, finished almost 10% ahead, despite of the fact that it was flown by a relatively unexperienced competition pilot who flew the aircraft for the very first time. To put these results into context, the new ASW 28-18E is an unflapped glider but it still beat a fleet of predominantly flapped gliders including a number of Ventus 2cx. No wonder people are already queuing for the ASG 29. For further information visit: http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/englisch/e_main.htm Bernard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gilbert Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2005 1:54 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps 3 out of 4 Titles?? Are you forgetting Club Class where schleicher gliders came last & second last? Nick. - Original Message ----- From: B & C Eckey To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Hi all It has only just come to my attention that Schleicher pilots won three out of four titles at the recent NSW State comps at Temora. 18m Class – ASW 28-18E (Malcom Bruce) 15m Class – ASW 27 (Graham Parker) Open Class – ASH 25 (Paul Mander) with Malcom Bruce in ASW 28-18E in second place. On top of that, Graham Parker was awarded the trophy for the fastest flight of the competition. I believe he did a speed of 145kph on one day. Congratulations to all of you. With kind regards Bernard & Christel Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gliders.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
