Re: [Aus-soaring] Early X/C pilots
for road retrieves. What a load of rot! A good trailer is a great asset, but it is by no means essential. What IS ESSENTIAL is that the pilot intending to go X/C is totally familiar with the workings of the trailer that IS available. Quite simply, if the pilot is not familiar with the trailer, then NO X/C for that pilot until this exercise is done. Just possibly, said pilot might get off his a*se, and make a few improvements to said trailer, if the trailer is a bit marginal (almost always!), but in my experience, this is a rare occurrence indeed. Gary -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2015 7:54 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Two Seater Nationals You don't need a DG1000: take the K13! (but don't go as far :) ) -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of DMcD Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2015 6:02 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Two Seater Nationals the GFA pilot training programme for more cross-country exposure during the ab-initio stage. Who said that! If only that happened more during training. IMHO, that's the single most important thing for a club to do when trying to make the conversion from student pilot to addicted and committed flyer. Having done enough HG flying to know what I was up for, the endless circuit training did not kill my enthusiasm but it can. My son said at one point that he was wondering what it was all about until he got to cloud base on day... and I don't think anyone ever took him XC during training. I have tried to persuade our club to stop the clock and some point and say to students at some point, this is not being charged for... we're going to fly somewhere for an hour to show you why we all do it. I'm sure it would make a big difference to the number of pilots who drop out after going solo. But then we don't have something like the DG which would make getting home more likely than in a Grob or K21 :-) D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/9029 - Release Date: 01/31/15 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Dave Boulter m: 0417 705 997 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Urinary crystals
Hi Ron, I use nappies, just break them open it has the same stuff inside. /daveb On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone out there know where i can buy those crystals which when urinated upon turn everything into an easily manageable gel??? Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Want to be an air traffic controller?
*Enough to bring John Welsh back out of retirement..$463,000 salary SPAIN'S ATC MESS BOILS OVER (AGAIN)http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1786-full.html#203740 * Friday, air traffic controllers in Spain staged a massive sickout just three months since they last voted to strike, nearly one year since reports of their sometimes $1 million-plus salaries, and amidst economists' musings that the country may require a financial bailout. Roughly 90 percent of controllers abandoned their posts Friday, resulting in a massive shutdown of airports and airspace, affecting thousands of flights. Three controllers did arrive to Madrid's Barajas airport to aid arrivals there. The controllers have been involved in contract negotiations over work conditions, wages and privileges. The talks intensified early in 2010 when the government proposed restricted overtime. That alone effectively reduced the average salary of Spanish controllers from about $463,000 to $264,000 annually, according to the WashingtonExaminerhttp://washingtonexaminer.com/news/world/2010/12/spain-air-traffic-authority-closes-madrid-airport. The controllers union now says the country's 2,300 controllers are overworked and have already put in their maximum number of hours for 2010. They also timed their strike for increased impact. -- Sent from my Mosquito VH-FQD Try Gliding www.gliding.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] There goes the neighbourhood :-)
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/10/subaru-powered-flying-car-gets-faa-approval/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+GizmodoAustralia+%28Gizmodo+Australia%29 -- Sent from my Mosquito VH-FQD Try Gliding www.gliding.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Website - Can't Find anything !!!
It is being looked at. It effects a bunch of people (like myself) who go to site almost daily for stuff now. I believe the iMIS developers will fix it shortly. The GFA knows it is a problem. /daveb On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Kevin Roden ea...@rdds.com.au wrote: Using google chrome there is no menu, or I should say it is there but not readable or usable. A menu that says t Expand About http://www.gfa.org.au/iMIS15/GFA/ New To Gliding Expand New To Gliding http://www.gfa.org.au/iMIS15/GFA/ Member Services Expand Member Services http://www.gfa.org.au/iMIS15/GFA/ News Expand News http://www.gfa.org.au/iMIS15/GFA/ Airworthiness Expand Airworthiness http://www.gfa.org.au/iMIS15/GFA/ Development Expand Development http://www.gfa.org.au/iMIS15/GFA/ doesn't mean much. Doesn't matter what is clicked on I end up at the home page. However, IE FireFox seem to work OK. Kevin Roden On 21 October 2010 10:57, Brian w...@squirrel.com.au wrote: Just click on “Documents and scroll down to the Sports section. But I agree, the new site is bloody hard to navigate. Brian *From:* Dave Shorter d...@shorter.net *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:31 AM *To:* Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] New Website - Can't Find anything !!! I don’t like criticizing the efforts of people to make improvements, but I must say that the latest website for GFA is absolutely impossible. I can’t find anything I need. Can someone point the way for me – where are the current National Competition Rules? Dave Shorter 11 Lighthouse Crescent Emerald Beach, NSW 2456 email d...@shorter.net Ph 02 6656 1979, Mob 0429 429 539 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Sent from my Mosquito VH-FQD Try Gliding www.gliding.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Fwd: First Human-Powered, Wing-Flapping Aircraft Successfully Flown
http://feeds.gizmodo.com.au/~r/GizmodoAustralia/~3/0QgQyeJ_a0k/http://feeds.gizmodo.com.au/%7Er/GizmodoAustralia/%7E3/0QgQyeJ_a0k/ -- Sent from my Mosquito VH-FQD Try Gliding www.gliding.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement
The AAFC are pretty active around the Sydney area and other parts of NSW. The organisers are members of gliding clubs as well and there are courses run at Bathurst, for example and elsewhere. The result of the courses is some cadets joining clubs. NSW Gliding started a program this year giving GFA members under 18 that have gone solo $200 to their home club to be applied against fees or flying. We have almost twenty signed up now. That is obviously not the answer but it is step in the right direction. Getting back on the topic. To reverse the trend, things have to happen at club level more than waiting for a State Association or GFA to do something about it. Each Club should have a look at themselves more like a business trying to attract customers who come back and continually purchase the service that is provided. If it was your own business and it was the way you make your living, what would you do differently from a customer service, customer retention and marketing your small perspective? If each Club did that, IMHO you would see change. /daveb On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Nelson Handcock nelson.handc...@gmail.com wrote: What opportunity might there be to join forces with Air Force Cadets? They are a group of kids who have obviously shown a ganuine interest in aviation as a career. I believe they do get some flying exposure during their training, but I get the impression they are limited to what the RAAF can afford to sponsor (which right now would be very little - same as the general Army Reserves, etc) I'd be surprised if it hasn't been tried before - so what experiences have people had with the RAAF Air Cadets? -- Nelson Handcock 0409 149919 http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Sent from my Mosquito VH-FQD Try Gliding www.gliding.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Fwd: Sailplane Launches Itself With Retractable Jet
Sailplane Launches Itself With Retractable Jethttp://feeds.gizmodo.com.au/%7Er/GizmodoAustralia/%7E3/dKMENh7Vzyk/ Gizmodo Australia http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/08/sailplane-retractable-jet.jpgA creative bunch of tinkerers think the recent trend of self-launching gliders needs a bit of a boost. So instead of outfitting their high performance sailplane with an electric or small piston motor, they’ve attached a jet engine that folds neatly into the fuselage. (more…)http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/08/sailplane-launches-itself-with-retractable-jet/#more-411300 Sent with Reeder http://reederapp.com Sent from my iPad -- Sent from my Mosquito VH-FQD Try Gliding www.gliding.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Passenger Flying
I flew with a commercial organisation near Hollister in California while I was working in Silicon Valley circa 1990-2000. Had a great flight and spent the time afterwards chatting with the instructor and comparing instructing differences between our Countrieswe spoke for around 30 mins after the flight, as an Instructor to another Instructor. On my invoice came a line item 30 mins Instructor debriefI learned another lesson. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Terry Neumann tfneum...@internode.on.netwrote: It's also part of the system in Canada. Pity really, it's a very nice place but everyone wants a damn gratuity for doing their job. On a conducted tour in Western Canada mid last year, we were briefed by our charming Canadian tour director on the first the evening about the etiquette of tipping. Aussies and Kiwis just don't get this he warned but what we do over here and when in Rome etc As the bus tour around Vancouver the next day came to it's close, the same director thanked our driver Steve for his care in getting us around the city and suggested that we might like to show our appreciation to him ..Aussies and Kiwis immediately broke out in a spontaneous and generous round of applause :-[ Eventually it dawned on us that this was almost certainly NOT what he was alluding to.In time we caught on, but it was recurring conversation point at the meal tables, and was regarded by all those from south of the equator with about the same affection as a moderate dose of food poisoning. Tipping the tuggie? Well I guess the winch driver is equally entitled to a consideration also. Then there is the person hooking on, the wingtip runner, the bat swinger There's no end to it. Bah! humbug I say! Long may we resist this insidious form of taxation in these here parts. Terry Pam Kurstjens wrote: Tipping is endemic in the States. If you don’t tip in a restaurant, servers can get upset (it may be their main income, especially in fast food places). But tipping the tuggie? Hmm… *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Mc Donnell *Sent:* Friday, 12 February 2010 11:50 AM *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Passenger Flying *From a couple of United States (of America) club websites.* Does this happen here? *Q. Should we Tip the Pilot and/or Crew?* A. Money is not the reason our pilots are here, however if you feel they did a great job and would like to tip, then by all means please do. Tips are not expected *but they are very appreciated. It feels very good when someone gives us a tip! * The line crew (most are high school kids) and desk personnel are paid minimum wage and any tip makes them feel on top of the world and they talk about it for days! They use a Schweizer SGS 2-32, but I cannot figure out why a second passenger should cost more. For anyone interested in taking a flight with Angelou, the cost is $109 for one person or $198 for two, and gift certificates are available. -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Director | Boulter Associates Pty Ltd t: (02)4626 7595 | m: 0417 705 997 | e: daveboul...@boulterassociates.com.au w: www.boulterassociates.com.au Member of Informgroup - www.informgroup.com.au Member of ConsultGroup - www.consultgroup.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Weighing scales
Hi, Contact Beryl Hartley, she is keeping track of the NSW Gliding Assets /daveb On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Stuart Welsby sswel...@smartchat.net.auwrote: Thanks Tom, I'm told that the NSW Ass set that was at Richmond also went to Keepit. Does anybody know where they ended up? Stuart - Original Message - *From:* tom claffey to...@yahoo.com *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:05 PM *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Weighing scales Keepit used Bruce Taylor's, NSW RTO/AIR should know. Tom --- On *Tue, 15/12/09, Stuart Welsby sswel...@smartchat.net.au* wrote: From: Stuart Welsby sswel...@smartchat.net.au Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Weighing scales To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Received: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 3:25 PM I'm hoping someone can help me with the location of the NSW Ass glider weighing scales. Central Coast GC is in need of them to get our Puchatek flying after recovering the wings. Apprently they went to Keepit for the Nationals. Any info appreciated. Replies offgroup to sswel...@smartchat.net.auhttp://mc/compose?to=sswel...@smartchat.net.au Thanks in advance Stuart Welsby ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.nethttp://mc/compose?to=aus-soar...@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Email slow, clunky, unreliable? Switch to Yahoo!Xtra Mailhttp://au.rd.yahoo.com/nz/mail/tagline/2009/mailsignup/*http://yahoo.co.nz/mail, New Zealand's new email address. -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Director | Boulter Associates Pty Ltd t: (02)4626 7595 | m: 0417 705 997 | e: daveboul...@boulterassociates.com.au w: www.boulterassociates.com.au Member of Informgroup - www.informgroup.com.au Member of ConsultGroup - www.consultgroup.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] I want one !
http://www.revell.de/3d-view/galery.php?objID=04266〈=enhttp://www.revell.de/3d-view/galery.php?objID=04266lang=en -- Director | Boulter Associates Pty Ltd t: (02)4626 7595 | m: 0417 705 997 | e: daveboul...@boulterassociates.com.au w: www.boulterassociates.com.au Member of Informgroup - www.informgroup.com.au Member of ConsultGroup - www.consultgroup.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA weighing scales
No, but we will certainly welcome the help. /daveb On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Christopher Mc Donnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com wrote: Sheesh! Does NSWGA have a property/equipment officer ? Yeah! An on list reply is embarrasing. - Original Message - *From:* Glenn McLean g...@zeta.org.au *To:* d...@shorter.net ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:31 PM *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA weighing scales Hi dave, We've got the old scales at Richmond, but I think the modern ones are still at Temora. Try tom. 2. Just back from Narooma,. and will talk to our committee about MPL for Keepit. Will advise asap. Cheers Glenn - Original Message - *From:* Dave Shorter d...@shorter.net *To:* Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:10 AM *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] NSWGA weighing scales Can anyone tell me who has the NSWGA weighing scales – required for National ClbSports comp at Lake Keepit in a few weeks. Reply off list please Dave Shorter - Competition Organiser Lake Keepit Soaring Club Inc 11 Lighthouse Crescent Emerald Beach, NSW 2456 Ph (02)6656 1979 Mob (0429)429 539 email treasu...@keepitsoaring.com __ NOD32 4489 (20091008) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 4489 (20091008) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Director | Boulter Associates Pty Ltd t: (02)4626 7595 | m: 0417 705 997 | e: daveboul...@boulterassociates.com.au w: www.boulterassociates.com.au Member of Informgroup - www.informgroup.com.au Member of ConsultGroup - www.consultgroup.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] NSW Gliding Website
Hi, Just a quick note to say NSW Gliding website is up and running. www.nswgliding.org.au Thanks go out for the original design work by Serge Lauriou and Chris Bennett There have been others involved in the project and I fear leaving somebody out if I try to mention them all. Well done anyway ! As time goes on we will add more information, events and links back to Clubs in NSW. If anybody from NSW wants to add something to the site please contact me. You will be able to watch for changes on the site via the RSS feeds as well. -- Director | Boulter Associates Pty Ltd t: (02)4626 7595 | m: 0417 705 997 | e: daveboul...@boulterassociates.com.au w: www.boulterassociates.com.au Member of Informgroup - www.informgroup.com.au Member of ConsultGroup - www.consultgroup.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years
Well I am part of the new lot. I am probably the newest member of the Board. I did not go out seeking the role. Some people asked me to help work with NSW Gliding. I did that and circumstances ended up that I was the delegate to the Board for NSW. Give me a list of the things that you ALL are not happy with and I will start to work through them to resolution. I cannot guarantee you will like the resolution, but I can guarantee that I will try my best to make sure there is a fair hearing. /daveb On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Well Sean, The GFA has put lots of things in place to limit or restrict our ability to fly. The whole concept of supervision. The dual control check after rigging is another. Annual flight reviews when everyone else in recreational aviation in this country only requires them every 2 years and at gliding clubs you get to see everyone take off and land all the time anyway. Not that there seems to be any evidence that they have the slightest effect on stopping people killing themselves. The ridiculous minimum hours for a Level 2 independent operator rating (you can get a CPL with fewer hours than that in the real world). Why not just call it a PPL and have people add the rating to the power one? Might even get some new glider pilots. High membership fees that are spent on what exactly? High Airworthiness administration fees for what exactly? The maintenance release must be the most expensive useless book in existence. You may not know it but the GFA didn't want to let gliders with Experimental certificates into contests when CASA changed the regs to provide for these. Emilis makes a good point in his post. Just how much worse could a new mob do? The current mob have halved the membership numbers while the population of Australia has gone up by 25%. Amongst other things this has caused a collapse in older used glider prices. Still happy with the GFA? Mike At 08:22 PM 22/04/2009, you wrote: Robert, You may find that like many other members we simply don't really mind what the GFA does as long as we are allowed to continue flying and soaring in piece. If heaven forbid the GFA put in place something else that stops or limits our ability to fly. Say another rule that (and this is toungue in cheek) requires a second Level 2 instructor to always be on the ground to supervise us. Then yes we might just get a little upset. If the only feed back is that we don't want the new rules then please feel free to fight the good fight to make sure the new rule does not happen. Your in appathy (and I have served on the board so I understand your commitment) Sean Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Director | Boulter Associates Pty Ltd t: (02)4626 7595 | m: 0417 705 997 | e: daveboul...@boulterassociates.com.au w: www.boulterassociates.com.au Member of Informgroup - www.informgroup.com.au Member of ConsultGroup - www.consultgroup.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: I was in WA recently and was told at one club that if people aren't prepared to drive 3 hours each way they aren't dedicated enough to go gliding. Makes a mockery of attempts to provide cheaper to run towplanes to make training cheaper. I Surely that is a Club issue. We have somewhat changed that attitude at SCGC and we did that regardless of what the GFA would say/do /daveb -- Director | Boulter Associates Pty Ltd t: (02)4626 7595 | m: 0417 705 997 | e: daveboul...@boulterassociates.com.au w: www.boulterassociates.com.au Member of Informgroup - www.informgroup.com.au Member of ConsultGroup - www.consultgroup.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Anybody know where to get Airsick bags from?
Yeah I know, too many AEFs and pretty rough pilots ! -- Director | Boulter Associates Pty Ltd t: (02)4626 7595 | m: 0417 705 997 | e: daveboul...@boulterassociates.com.au w: www.boulterassociates.com.au Member of Informgroup - www.informgroup.com.au Member of ConsultGroup - www.consultgroup.net.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Good start Zulu Romeo
I know it is a "classic" but it is really crap. I have a VHS version if you want it /daveb Michael Henry wrote: Ron Sanders wrote: And where can I get a list of all the gliders currently registered in Australia? http://www.casa.gov.au/casadata/regsearch/findairs.asp Just set "Aircraft type" to "Glider". ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring begin:vcard fn:Dave Boulter n:Boulter;Dave email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:+61-2-4626-7595 tel;fax:+61-2-4626-7595 tel;home:+61-2-4626-8165 tel;cell:+61-417-705-997 note;quoted-printable:www.boulterassociates.com.au=0D=0A= www.informgroup.com.au version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Good start Zulu Romeo
Contact me off list Ron and i will organise with you. Glad to see it in a good home. :-) /daveb Ron Sanders wrote: Believe it or not some German guys my vintage who were there want it. Nostalgia overlooks a lot of crap so I do want it. Thanks ron From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Boulter Sent: Friday, 24 October 2008 11:17 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Good start Zulu Romeo I know it is a "classic" but it is really crap. I have a VHS version if you want it /daveb Michael Henry wrote: Ron Sanders wrote: And where can I get a list of all the gliders currently registered in Australia? http://www.casa.gov.au/casadata/regsearch/findairs.asp Just set "Aircraft type" to "Glider". ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring begin:vcard fn:Dave Boulter n:Boulter;Dave email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:+61-2-4626-7595 tel;fax:+61-2-4626-7595 tel;home:+61-2-4626-8165 tel;cell:+61-417-705-997 note;quoted-printable:www.boulterassociates.com.au=0D=0A= www.informgroup.com.au version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA
$180 at SCGC. We get enough. /daveb Kevin McGowan wrote: Lets get real here, it is a well known fact, and stated on this forum many times previously that AEF's result in few new members to gliding, in fact often they just clog up the day but we do them in the hope that maybe this one will join. At my club we have a fairly simple way of charging for these flights, work out what it will cost "worst case" for the launch, add the cost of the glider, add a bit for the fudge factor, add a bit for profit, then add the GFA fee whether it be $1 or $20. Any club that says that the $20 GFA fee is taken from the club needs to look at its administration as they are not doing their job properly as an AEF should not cost the members but should profit them. Most people who take an AEF do so for the experience only and will pay whatever is asked, I have seen flights charged at $150 and the club is still kept busy doing flights. K From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:02:40 +1000 Subject: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA AEF’s are a main source of revenue for some clubs in both dollars and attracting new members. This is a blatant grab for club dollars by GFA, taking revenue straight out of the clubs. In small clubs the cost of operating will most likely be in the red and are being propped up by donations from members (buying fuel for winch, food for fund raising BQ, etc out of their own pocket). Now their revenue is cut more even more. I thought that GFA was here to support it’s members and encourage gliding, not to make a profit out of our sport. In today’s economy every organisation has to reduce cost, yes even GFA, if we are to survive. So what is going to happen in the future? Fees are going up, therefore membership will decline, cost per member will go up, thus fees go up, more members leave and the vicious circle has begun. The answer is to keep reducing costs per member to attract growth this is simple business logic. Don’t get me wrong, I think that GFA staff and board members are helpful and doing a job which many of us could not do (or would not do). And a lot of it at their cost. But we still need turn around spending by GFA. The answer is definitely not to keep slugging the members and clubs. Barry Kruyssen ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring begin:vcard fn:Dave Boulter n:Boulter;Dave email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:+61-2-4626-7595 tel;fax:+61-2-4626-7595 tel;home:+61-2-4626-8165 tel;cell:+61-417-705-997 note;quoted-printable:www.boulterassociates.com.au=0D=0A= www.informgroup.com.au version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA
That did happen to SCGC for a period of time. We used to have too many AEFs and not enough trg or private flying. I still remember the meetings where people would say that we will never get an AEF again. Well we do. Enough, to have bought quite a few new gliders till recently. AEFs have dropped off, even in a place like Sydney there are highs and lows /daveb D S Baker wrote: Bit fo a side note, I remember hearing of a club who were getting too many AEF's, and so put up the price, and instead of getting less AEFs, they ended up getting more =S 2008/10/16 Kevin McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lets get real here, it is a well known fact, and statedon this forummany times previously that AEF's result infew new members to gliding, in fact often they just clog up the day but we do them in the hope that maybe this one will join. At my club we have a fairly simple way of charging for these flights, work out what it will cost "worst case"for the launch, add the cost of the glider, add a bit for the fudge factor, add a bit for profit, then add the GFA fee whether it be $1 or $20. Any club that says that the $20 GFA fee is taken from the club needs to look at its administration as they are not doing their job properly as an AEF should not cost themembers but should profit them. Most people who take an AEFdo so for the experience only and will pay whatever is asked,I have seen flights charged at $150 and the club is still kept busy doing flights. K From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:02:40 +1000 Subject: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA AEF's are a main source of revenue for some clubs in both dollars and attracting new members. This is a blatant grab for club dollars by GFA, taking revenue straight out of the clubs. In small clubs the cost of operating will most likely be in the red and are being propped up by donations from members (buying fuel for winch, food for fund raising BQ, etc out of their own pocket). Now their revenue is cut more even more. I thought that GFA was here to support it's members and encourage gliding, not to make a profit out of our sport. In today's economy every organisation has to reduce cost, yes even GFA, if we are to survive. So what is going to happen in the future? Fees are going up, therefore membership will decline, cost per member will go up, thus fees go up, more members leave and the vicious circle has begun. The answer is to keep reducing costs per member to attract growth this is simple business logic. Don't get me wrong, I think that GFA staff and board members are helpful and doing a job which many of us could not do (or would not do). And a lot of it at their cost. But we still need turn around spending by GFA. The answer is definitely not to keep slugging the members and clubs. Barry Kruyssen ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- timmo you know what i hate timmo errors that wont go away Guilty So you dislike children too ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring begin:vcard fn:Dave Boulter n:Boulter;Dave email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:+61-2-4626-7595 tel;fax:+61-2-4626-7595 tel;home:+61-2-4626-8165 tel;cell:+61-417-705-997 note;quoted-printable:www.boulterassociates.com.au=0D=0A= www.informgroup.com.au version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA
At SCGC we have success with 5 and 10 flight packages. We find some AEFs take the 5 flight package as they see better value. I agree, in regards to the target market problem. There are "samplers" who will never join anything. I also find it funny reading Golf Australia where they are complaining about the reduced numbers in Golf and declining memberships /daveb Mark Newton wrote: On 16/10/2008, at 4:24 PM, harry medlicott wrote: Our experience at Lake Keepit is that with a bit of an effort on the part of instructors we get a quite reasonable conversion rate from AEFs. We also need the money. Also where would our new members come from if it wasn't through introductory flights? Anyone with any bright ideas? That's an excellent question, and it's a shame that we're in to 2008 and hardly anyone has a clear idea. The GFA has done stats with its own corpus of AEFs, and published an article in the Mag earlier this year about the woeful conversion rate of AEFs to full GFA members. The take-home message was confirmation of the fact that gliding doesn't have a recruitmentproblem, it has a retentionproblem. The typical AEF fronts-up for a joyflight then goes home. A small but significant percentage of them have enough fun to join the club and commence training, and almost all of them drop-out before first-solo. Of the ones that proceed to first-solo, most of themdrop out between solo and C certificate. Compared to the number of AEFs flown nationally, the number of Silver badges issued in Australia is almost statistically insignificant. That's why it's a mistake to view AEFs as a source of members. They just aren't. They're a source of money, which a club can use to improve its services and reduce its prices for its members. (which, incidentally, appears to be the same way the GFA has seen them, by hiking the price to $20 and dumping concession discounts -- meaning they get to keep the money instead of the clubs!) In my experience, long-term members are people who always wanted to learn how to fly, but never knew they could do it as accessibly as gliding. Kids, sailors and motorcycle riders tend to be disproportionately represented. If you can find a person like that, you don't need to give them an AEF, you just sign them up, get them straight onto the syllabus, train them, and enjoy their presence as a long-term member. If you're confronted by a person who isn't like that, you'd be right 99% of the time if you simply wrote them off as someone whose only value was to be exploited for cash. Remember: We don't need to be all things to all people. We'd double our membership base overnight if we looked at Australia's 21 million population and decided that we'd just be somethings to about 4000 people. That shouldn't be hard, but we spend so much time distracting ourselves with marketing efforts to people who'll never give a damn that we completely miss the 4000 people who'd take our membership numbers back to the levels they enjoyed in the 1980's. I don't think any club in Australia knows how to effectively identify and market to those 4000 people. I don't know. Maybe that's something the GFA should be prioritizing, because it seems to me that a 100% increase in long-term membershipwould be somewhat beneficial... How many trainees just rock up at the airfield and sign up for a training course? At my club: Almost no general walk-in joy-flighters. Almost all people who our (limited) marketing efforts have identified as someonewho is likely to seriously enjoy the experience of flight. The previous $5 charge covered an insurance component. If therehas been a change would be pleased to hear about it. The GFA's justification for the change was that the amount of money yielded by selling 3-day memberships didn't adequately compensate the organization for the amount of administrative effort involved in processing them. My response to that is pretty simple: The GFA is the only organization I deal with in 2008 which actually requires pieces of paper in order to do things. Literally every single other organization I have day to day dealings withhas worked out that administrative overheads can be largely automated out of existenceif they're replaced with well-designed automatic systems. Can you imagine what'd happen if someone like amazon.com or eBay decided to put their prices up due to administrative overheads? They'd lose all their customers. That simply isn't an acceptable outcome for a business in 2008. Administrative overheads are things you eliminate, not things you bump up prices to accommodate. In my ideal world, there'd be a web form on GFA's website which would ask an AEF candidate for
[Aus-soaring] NSW Pilots please respond- Do you think NSW would use a Gliding Simulator?
Hi, At The GFA Meeting in Adelaide two simulators were shown. The GFA is exploring the possibilities of these being used by Clubs in the future. QLD is interested in buying one for use amongst the QLD clubs. Would the Clubs in NSW be interested? As you can see by the attached message the GFA is keen to help but NSW Gliding would also have to chip in. All State Presidents, It is believed that all State Presidents were present at the GFA Seminar in Adelaide on the 6th September to witness the informative presentations of Tom Wilksch and Ian Linke on Gliding Simulation. The GFA Board considered the question of GFA's further involvement in the issue at their meeting on the following day and are investigating the scope of functionality of the projects underway in Australia, obtaining overseas advice on similar projects and researching local demand for such equipment. The GFA President has asked for the State Association Presidents to indicate to the GFA Board what demand they see for such equipment in their Regions, in terms of: .An Instructional/Coaching tool .Promotional support at displays, advertising in shopping centres etc. .Arcade game to promote gliding .Any other uses seen In particular, please indicate interest in working with the current project engineer(s) to bring a project to conclusion and implementation. The amount of State Association support proposed (or not) should also be indicated. The GFA Board is expected to be sympathetic to further funding the project given positive Regional support. Specialists in Business Performance Improvement Boulter Associates Pty Ltd Dave Boulter Director www.boulterassociates.com.au Tel: (02)4626 7595 Fax: (02)4626 7595 Mob: 0417 705 997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member InFormGroup www.informgroup.com.au http://www.informgroup.com.au/ Member ConsultGroup www.consultgroup.net.au http://www.consultgroup.net.au/ For fun I fly with www.gliding.com.au http://www.gliding.com.au/ I fly aircraft from www.silentwingsaviation.com http://www.silentwingsaviation.com/ http://www.informgroup.com.au/ http://www.consultgroup.net.au/ http://www.gliding.com.au/ Boulter Associates Logo 2.0cm.jpg___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Anybody seen a free web based Gliding logbook?
Hi, After logbook on web...of course free. Practical Advice That Works ... Dave Boulter Director Boulter Associates Pty Ltd 120 Heritage Way Glen Alpine NSW 2560 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: daveboulter42 mobile: Skype ID: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signatureTo=%2B61-417-705-997Em [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61-417-705-997 daveboulter https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=4295584851v0=1229730k0=-632833170src=clie nt_sig_212_1_banner_joininvite=1 Want to always have my latest info? Member of www.informgroup.com.au http://www.informgroup.com.au/ Member of www.consultgroup.net.au http://www.consultgroup.net.au/ For fun I fly gliders at www.gliding.com.au http://www.gliding.com.au/ image001.gif___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 302 Cambridge for sale?
Hi, Anybody got a 302 for sale? Thanks Practical Advice That Works ... Dave Boulter Director Boulter Associates Pty Ltd 120 Heritage Way Glen Alpine NSW 2560 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: daveboulter42 mobile: Skype ID: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signatureTo=%2B61-417-705-997Em [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61-417-705-997 daveboulter https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=4295584851v0=1229730k0=-632833170src=clie nt_sig_212_1_banner_joininvite=1 Want to always have my latest info? image001.gif___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] IS 28
Hi Simon, Southern Cross Gliding Club has a very good well maintained IS28 that we are looking at selling. Please contact me so we can discuss. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /daveb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of simon holding Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2007 10:49 AM To: Aus Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] IS 28 Alice Springs Gliding Club is looking to replace our IS 28, with something similar. Any of the fine Brasov product out there for sale? Regards, Simon Holding ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Wanted: Cambridge 302 303 - second hand
Hi, I am in the market for the above. Anybody know of any unwanted ones? /daveb Specialists in Business Performance Improvement Boulter Associates Pty Ltd Dave Boulter Director www.boulterassociates.com.au Tel: (02)4626 7595 Fax: (02)4626 7595 Mob: 0417 705 997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boulter Associates Logo 2.0cm.jpg___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Club Paid Staff
Keen to know how you go on this Phil. We are similar size (less at around 160 members) at SCGC in Sydney. We pay part time Ops person for mid week and a part time back-office, relying on more mature people who have a bit of time and would like to keep in touch with the Club. We do not fly Thur-Fri but every other day and would like to extend to 7 days. Keen to know what responses you get on/off list and maybe share experiences. Dave Boulter Southern Cross -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2007 6:59 PM To: Aus-soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Club Paid Staff Hi all There has been some discussion at our club about our paid staff and if there are viable alternatives to our current arrangements (i.e. volunteer club members). We have one full time maintenance /instructor /tug pilot person and one office person who works about 20 hours. Our membership is around 140 glider pilots, 30 ultralight pilots and another 30 something members who operate various types other types of aircraft who are club members. What are other clubs of similar sizes doing? As I see it we can either continue paying a premium for having the staff (about $60K/year) or fly cheaper but at the cost of doing the work ourselves though possibly in a less professional manner. Phil Ritchie ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: Condor Soaring Simualtor was Re: [Aus-soaring] Male v Female In gliding: is it sexist?
I find the more red u have the better it gets ! -Original Message- From: Nick Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: 15/02/07 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Condor Soaring Simualtor was Re: [Aus-soaring] Male v Female In gliding: is it sexist? Jeez Peter, I don't know what to say - it not easy (I would say harder than the real thing), but it can be done... If you are struggling with it, try a bit more airbrake. Nick. On 2/15/07, Peter Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On using the Condor flight simulator, I have not been able to properly perform an aero tow to any great height but can winch launch, fly, thermal, land etc. satisfactorily. With the aero-tow, I keep catching up to the tug. I have tried launching with the air-brakes cracked to no avail. How do others do it? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] Concealing Aircraft Registration
I came home one evening after work, watched the news to hear them say that the person that was taken from the water near the Gap (Sydney)this morning was xyz. This was my cousin, who I was very close to. My mother knew but wanted to tell me face-face. This was a long time ago before mobile phones etc. Nothing has changed in the many years. I had to face the press with a member of my club passing away in tragic circumstances last year. There are good press people and there are bad. I have seen them all in the space of that week. I think the GFA needs to prepare clubs better with Press Kits and facts so they can speak to the media. I know from experience that the objective is to keep the press away from the family. If you give them something they will be more happy and less harrassing of the family for the story. They have deadlines. /daveb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Jones Sent: Friday, 29 December 2006 6:35 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Concealing Aircraft Registration Scott, not having a go at you but. Legal reasons or not is pile of B.S, What legal reason would that be ?? Just because a reg of a aircraft is open to any one who can punch in a CASA or GFA web page and search for a particular rego and get the particular details of the owner and most likely the pilot at the time of reporting of the accident, doesn't mean its a right to publish the rego of the aircraft in a photo. Lets assume I have a uncle who flew aircraft and this aircraft went in and was published no later than 1 hour after the incident as a news flash across my computer screen while looking at the ABC website, I click on the headline out of interest and see a pic of my uncles aircraft on the ground and caption pilot dies in crash Because of the crap reasons why they dont blank out rego's ( and with todays digital gear it aint that hard!! ) Now i just have been informed of my uncles death, via computer . gee dont you think this type of news should be delivered by friend and family not via the press. The above is only a example . My thought go out to the family of a fellow pilot. Ben - Original Message - From: Scott Penrose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Concealing Aircraft Registration Your comment about privacy and sensitivity is taken a set further in the fact that anyone can source the aircraft register on line while motor vehicle registrations details are not available even on request due to Privacy Legislation in the ACT at least, and probably other states too. The potential for Road Rage revenge attacks has been used as one reason to justify this position. I am passing no judgement on if it should or should not be, but this is the reason they do not cover it up. Unlike car registration, aircraft registration is open and public. The press do not cover things up for sensitivity reasons, but for legal ones. Again, this is no judgement on if they should or not. Scott ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo /aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] THE AGM SEMINAR
Quick answer is of course it is possible. It could be recorded and saved and played back. It could be a live event. Somebody has to pay for the bandwidth at the serving end of the video getting out to users who pay at receiving end for download as well. Technology is possible :-) /daveb Geoff Kidd wrote: Will one of our computer buffs please advise if it is technically easy and economically justifiable for the GFA to perhaps consider web-streaming the Seminar . and the AGM for that matter for those members that can't get to Brisbane. Would it be easily possible to set it up so that members only can access that using their name membership number as a password maybe similar to the way members can access into the SSA's website. Is there a chance that this could be possible in time for this year ... or at least 2007? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring begin:vcard fn:Dave Boulter n:Boulter;Dave email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:+61-2-4626-7595 tel;fax:+61-2-4626-7595 tel;home:+61-2-4626-8165 tel;cell:+61-417-705-997 x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Anybody got a glider trailer to sell?
Thanks Peter. To be more specific we are after a single seater trailer suitable for an Astir maybe /daveb - Original Message - From: plchampness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Dave Boulter -Internode Acct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Anybody got a glider trailer to sell? Beaufort Gliding Club has a open trailer suitable for a two seater. Yours Peter Champness Dave Boulter -Internode Acct [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, SCGC is looking to replace one of it's trailers. Anybody got a trailer for sale? /daveb ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Anybody got a glider trailer to sell?
Hi, SCGC is looking to replace one of it's trailers. Anybody got a trailer for sale? /daveb ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Fw: One man rigging devices?
- Original Message - From: Dave Boulter -Internode Acct To: Aus-Soaring Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: One man rigging devices? Hi, I have seen some devices around that allow one person to move a wing into position and rotate the wind so that it can be inserted into the fuselage. Anybody know where to get these? Are they only available overseas? Thanks ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Glider booking systems
Hi, Any experience with Glider booking systems for members and the usual single seater fleet? Thanks ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Polar for Mosquito?
Hi, Does anybody have a Polar diagram for a Mosquito? Thanks ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Dumb question - where do you download ADs and ANs ?
Hi, I cant seem to find the actual documents on GFA, where do you get them? I have a Mosquito and want to make all the records up top date Thanks ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Dumb question - where do you download ADs and ANs ?
Thanks Cath, I looked up say AD585, it says details on RHS and I click that. It then mentions a file name in a table (gfa ad 585 issue 1.PDF) but there are no bits to click on no highlighted areas etc. Maybe that AD is not loaded? Thanks Catherine Conway wrote: http://www.gfa.org.au/airworth/adreglist.php and http://www.gfa.org.au/airworth/anreglist.php You need to hit the download button on the right -Cath -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Boulter Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 10:04 PM To: Aus-Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Dumb question - where do you download ADs and ANs ? Hi, I cant seem to find the actual documents on GFA, where do you get them? I have a Mosquito and want to make all the records up top date Thanks ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Dumb question - where do you download ADs and ANs ?
Windows 2000 IE 6 and also tried with Netscape 7.1 Lets see what Nick has to say..strange stuff Thanks for helping but guys Catherine Conway wrote: That's interesting - I get a download and a details button and they look the same. I'm running Windows XP pro SP2 and IE6. Maybe try a different browser? Firefox is good http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ (not that it excuses it not working with XP, although as far as I can tell, the only difference between your config and mine is that I run XP pro. - and my software updates from MS are up to date) Im not a web expert. -Cath -Original Message- Cath, Dave may be suffering from the same problem as me. When I go to that URL, I can see the AD register (or AN register), but there are no Download buttons. There are Details buttons, which bring up a short table of info about the particular AD, and there is a line in the table entitled Download, but there is nothing in the space beside it on which to click, nor does clicking on the word Download have any effect. Maybe some web guru could suggest where I could look for something in my setup which is censoring the download links. I use XP Home SP2, and IE v6 I can download stuff from other sites without any difficulty, so I am at a bit of a loss. Cheers, John G. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Does anybody have Dave Shorter's email address?
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[Aus-soaring] How do I subscribe to the Club Class news email alias?
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Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Marketing Committee
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Re: Fwd: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Marketing Committee
activity are/is only as vibrant as the peoplewho drive the activity and some clubs will be advantaged or disadvantaged bycircumstances including geographical location. paid advertising we havedone rarely gives a profitable return (the adelaide uni scenario is dead setscary!!) word of mouth and membership activity win hands downanyday. rob - Original Message From:"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Discussion of issuesrelating to Soaring in Australia."[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFAMarketing Committee Date: 31/07/04 13:18 The direction of thisproject is of some concern; it suggests that we've learnt little fromprevious adventures in this area. GFA Executive and Council has beendown this road before in the past. I know - I was there. Theone thing I recall from previous promotional ventures was that glidingpeople, even dedicated gliding people are not very good at it, especially inthe selection and development of promotional material - movies, videos,brochures and the like. Most of us who were still around at thattime will remember the saga of the "two brochures". We approach thechallenge from our background and experience, not understanding thatthe people we are trying to reach usually see "gliding" in a totallydifferent perspective. Quite a few people in this listhave already come in enthusiastically with what we think would be "goodstuff". While it is - for us - it probably won't succeed inmaking the sport sufficiently attractive to the outsider to want to have aflight with the view of "taking it up". This exerciseneeds to be undertaken by a professional public relations outfit, and wehave to be prepared to sit on our hands and believe and implement what theycome up with. We also have to be prepared to pay what they askand it ain't cheap. These are two reasons why we will almostcertainly not go down that road. Thus history will berepeated. I wish the GFA committee well. However, unless theydraw on significant expertise in the advertising and promotional game fromwithin their own ranks, or are prepared to seek same from elsewhere if theyare short in that area, I have to be just a little bit sceptical of anyspectacular or even significant results. Whatever they decide to do,it won't be easy. We all know that gliding is a fantastic sport. However the huge majority of the general population will never be convinced. Sorry to be so gloomy, but that's how it is. - ___ Aus-soaringmailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Messagesent using Dodo Internet Webmail Server ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Message sent using Dodo Internet Webmail Server ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM ------- |"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground, andmiss." | --- Ford Prefect | Dave Boulter | Technology Solutions | Director of Customer Services | ICON | Silicon Graphics | Sydney Australia |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 |Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Insurance alternatives
Hi, I remember a post by I think Dave Shorter ref alternate places to get insurance from, could whoever please repost or if anybody still has the email repost please Thanks -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- |Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground, andmiss. | --- Ford Prefect | Dave Boulter | Technology Solutions | Director of Customer Services | ICON | Silicon Graphics | Sydney Australia |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 |Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Using Band Aids to cover static and pitot vents
Hi, At SCGC we use a piece of grass and some electrical tape to seal holes on gliders overnight when pegged down at airfields etc. I got an idea from one member that Band-Aids would be better as there is breathing space and there is no hole formed by the piece of tape. What do other people do? Thanks -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- |Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground, andmiss. | --- Ford Prefect | Dave Boulter | Technology Solutions | Director of Customer Services | ICON | Silicon Graphics | Sydney Australia |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 |Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: AG
You got it in one Mark!!! Try being the President of the largest Gliding Club in Australia (arguably) Not many volunteers :-( /daveb Mark Newton wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 05:53:48PM +1030, Dav wrote: As to Marks question re gliding only it is self evident that should the mag be sailplanes only then people who edit would at least know which glider is which-and lets face it over half the mag no longer relates to gliding BUT IT IS NO BIGGER therefore has much less sailplane content. If the mag was 100% gliding, why do you think the people who edit would be any different from the people who edit it now? I doubt the GFA is exactly innundated with volunteers, after all. Lets propose a thought experiment: If an edict came down tomorrow which said that all the HGFA and AUF stuff had to completely disappear, and the mag would become sailplanes only... ... who would step forward to replace the current editors? - mark I tried an internal modem,[EMAIL PROTECTED] but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton - Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 - Fax: +61-8-82231777 - ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- |Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground, andmiss. | --- Ford Prefect | Dave Boulter | Technology Solutions | Director of Customer Services | ICON | Silicon Graphics | Sydney Australia |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 |Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Development (was: Youth in soaring)
Message - From: Mike Cleaver To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Youth in soaring At 19:39 02-09-03 +1000, Ian (Macka) wrote: I could name many ex RAF Aircadets who are now in Oz and are in gliding here. I think if GFA were to throw a few dollars towards the air cadets would be money well spent. I personally learnt while a university student Roger wrote in reply to Leigh When you come to comment on the British gliding scene and youth involvment, another factor is present. This is the English Air Training Corps. Whether this factor has in reality been important to UK youth involvement in mainstream gliding I have no idea. I can blame the UK Air Cadet movement for my start in gliding, and aviation in general - I then administered a UK University gliding club for 3 years - and if Mr B wants a scapegoat for my being in Australia that is it, as I came here to watch the 1974 Waikerie Worlds, and am still here! Hopefully the results of 600+ hours of instructing, a few comps I have helped organise, and some of the administration (and the dreaded bureaucracy) things that make life easier or less regulated by non-glider-pilots - and others yet to see the light of day - will justify my existence as a contributor to our sphere of activity. We could always either pretend the rest of aviation didn't exist ( in which it would most likely pretend we did not exist, with a far greater predictive validity likelihood in 10 years' time), or go off and fly where there was nobody else to bother us and where it didn't matter if we had any rules or not - but I think we are more likely to have a positive influence on the rest of aviation by being part of the mainstream and administering ourselves so as to earn some respect from the other people who also use the sky, whether for mass transportation, national infrastructure, defence or their own pleasure. Turning to the UK competition scene, it is worthy of note that a vast majority of those gaining success in international soaring sport are at least second-generation soaring pilots. I'm sure this isn't lost on young Mr Woolley - all strength to his arm. Wombat ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- |"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground, andmiss." | --- Ford Prefect | Dave Boulter | Technology Solutions | Director of Customer Services | ICON | Silicon Graphics | Sydney Australia |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 |Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Re: [aus-soaring] A big thanks to GFA in helping Gliding at Camden
Mike Borgelt wrote: At 02:12 PM 22/09/03 +1000, you wrote: So don't keep us all in suspense. What sort of deal did you achieve? Slow.we wanted a covenant in sale process to protect the runways. At this stage that is not going to happen. There is a Master Plan review process that is supposed to protect us and the Minister noted that he could step in if required. The best we could get was an admission that the airport uses are the same as they are today and that is the intention. This now requires follow up and further in your face type meetings. We faced just being ignored and told to head on our way, we got much better result than that and Minchin showed he understood the issues etc. This is a daily battle and will be after the sale has concluded with the new owner. -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- |"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground, andmiss." | --- Ford Prefect | Dave Boulter | Technology Solutions | Director of Operations | ICON | Silicon Graphics | Sydney Australia |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 |Fax: +61.2.8875.9484
[aus-soaring] A big thanks to GFA in helping Gliding at Camden
Hi, I would like to say a big thanks to GFA for their help in assisting Gliding in Camden, NSW. At present Camden Airport is in the process of being sold. Hoxton Park, Camden and Bankstown Airports are being sold in a group to private industry. Camden Airport will still remain an Airport, but the definition of an Airport is not clear. The gliding community at Camden has great concerns that we may lose our grass runways. This affects SCGC, Sydney Gliding, the Scouts Gliding, Air League and Independent operators in motor gliders located at Camden. Bob Hall and Hank Meertens have been very helpful in working with us on lobbying the Federal Government. The local Liberal member, Pat Farmer, has been very supportive as well. We had a meeting with the Minister for Finance and Administration, Nick Minchin at Parliament House, last week. It is obvious that Hank and Bob have worked these corridors before, many times. It is a frustrating and thankless task with extremely long decision and process times. On behalf of Gliding at Camden, I want to thank these guys for their help. I know on this email alias that there are times when GFA's worth is questioned. Getting help like this is very valuable and I am thankful to have Bob and Hank's experience on our side. Regards Dave Boulter -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- |Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground, andmiss. | --- Ford Prefect | Dave Boulter | Technology Solutions | Director of Operations | ICON | Silicon Graphics | Sydney Australia |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 |Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
[aus-soaring] Members that leave - has anybody doen a study on the reasons why?
Hi, At SCGC we will be going down the path of a formal research into why member are not renewing. It is renewal time and we can see what we have now the dust settles. Has anybody else down this? If we know the most common serious reasons on a National basis then we can start trying to fix it /daveb -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Reminder: Back to Camden Week
Hi Jason, Can we point to Mals' off our web page, does not have to members part I suggest but open to non-members as well. /daveb Jason Jemima Armistead wrote: Attention all past members of Southern Cross Gliding Club and members of Clubs who might know of the whereabouts of any Southern Cross old boys (and gals) from the last 55 years that our club has been operating. Our Back to Camden week of activities will take place from Saturday 20th to Sautrday 27th September 2003. Details have been published in the July 2003 Australian Soaring magazine (pg 21) and will be repeated again in the September edition. This is an opportunity for past and present members of the Club to get back together, go for a fly in the Club's current fleet (including the DG-1000), and swap tales and share photos from the past history of the Club. On the final Saturday, there will be a BBQ in our clubhouse as well as guest speakers from the club's past - the perfect opportunity to socialise and reminisce. If you, or any members of your club are former Southern Cross Gliding Club members, you are invited to attend. Please pass this message on to those without e-mail or those who are perhaps no longer GFA members (and won't see the Australian Soaring magazine) We are also looking for any memorabilia relating to the good old days - photographs, copies of club journals, etc. and to collect and put together a broader document expanding on the history of the Club (any short or long stories or anecdotes are welcome). Already one of our members, Ron Berney, has scanned his personal photo and slide collection from the 60s and 70s (plus a few more modern day shots), and we hope to be able to present copies of this and other contributed scanned photos and documents to attendees during the week (or send it to them shortly thereafter) For those interested in some of Ron Barney's photos of the way we were, please visit Malcolm Bruce's web site http://www.mals.net/scgc/ (thanks to Mal for offering to host these for us) If you happen to know the whereabouts of any former Southern Cross members, or are one yourself, I would greatly appreciate being put in contact with you/them by e-mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or phone (02) 4647-5904 (ah) / (02) 9827-3742( bh) / (0418) 499 568 (mobile). Ditto for those with any historical documents they are able to scan for us to include in our CD-ROM production. More news and information as the date draws closer. Best regards Jason Armistead Membership Secretary Webmaster Southern Cross Gliding Club Inc Camden NSW Visit http://www.gliding.com.au/ ! -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Youth in Gliding
Right On Andrew. At SCGC I have started discussions with the AAFC people in our Club. We have the idea of putting together a group of instructors in SCGC who are familiar with the AAFC trg that happens a few times per year at Bathurst. This way we get the student converted to the SCGC trg system. We can also figure out transport arrangements and also figure out how our existing scholarships could be utilised etc. As you say this market segment already likes aircraft- much easier sell ANDREW WRIGHT wrote: Just a little extra on the youth in gliding thread from last week. (Flame suit ON and zipped up tight!) Research into our club, The Adelaide Soaring Club, indicates that we have about twenty current flying members who's membership originates from or has been associated with the Australian Airforce Air Cadets. At this time we have five AAFC cadets flying gliders. When you consider that we have 131 flying members in total that means that at present 15% of the ASCs membership is connected with the AAFC. This figure can be compared with the fact that less than 1% of our passengers and AEI flights result in a club member. All of these members are good, safe pilots, are excellent airmen and women (airpersons) and all contribute extensively to the club. That's a dam good return for no dollars invested into the AAFC. Perhaps we really could rethink where we spend our recruitment dollars. PS Non of our AAFC members have ever attempted suicide or wrecked club equipment. We leave this to the other, non AAFC members. (Joke !! )ANDREW WRIGHT -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Fwd: Winners - 3rd FAI World Junior Gliding Championship
Hi Tom, Lets talk off line about a possible way to get SCGC younger members together. I have an idea. /daveb Tom Mountford wrote: On the flip side I am (very proudly) associated with the airforce aircadets in Adelaide. My role is that of auxiliary instructor. The Adelaide flights of the RAAF ATC are overflowing with young, enthusiastic, talented and very aviation minded young people. The RAAF ATC Gliding Club based at Gawler has six or seven young boys and girls learning to fly gliders. It is a similar story with the Australian Airforce Cadets (AAFC) here in NSW. Here there are eight, one week courses a year with between 12-25 Cadets on each of varying levels, and also the oppertunity to attend the Interservice comp at Leeton. That adds up to alot of people between the ages of 12.5 and 20 being exposed to gliding each year. I think one of the main reasons most do not belong to another clubs is the cost and transport factors (which Jason outlined very well for the Syndey, senario). In NSW for AAFC Cadets it is $380 for a 10 flight course, that includes travel, accomodation and very good food. As far as getting more youth into gliding, I belive those interested in a flying career or who want to start powered flying are a good target. The fact the the solo age is a year younger for gliding than it is for powered flying is a good selling point for those in thier early teens who aprise to fly. I know its probly the only reason I started gliding, but certainly not why I have kept at it. I certainly do belive that if more people younger people really knew what gliding is like and what it actually is, membership would increase. I know everyone of the Cadets I flew with during the previous two weeks at Bathurst, were interested, eager and enjoyed themselves and most money permitting said they would be back. As far as youunger members of the club discontinuing flying or not starting it in the first place due to the environment of the older member, I honestly cant comment as it has never been an issue for me and I started when I was 14 and am now 18. From T. Cubley To my surprise, the main ATC clubs use aerotow or self launching, none use winch - surely this must be a problem in light of the comments below about youth flying in the UK? I think the main reason most AAFC clubs use aerotow is due to accomodation issues. Iam fairly certain the the CFI or 327flt (the NSW, AAFC gliding club) would rather use winch, however the accomodation and facilities we use are at Raglan Airfield at Bathurst and thus cant use winch there. Just like to say though I think it is great that people are trying to get this Junior soaring movement going. However it seems most who have been posting are in Queensland, which would make is very difficult for those interstate to attend weekends or social nights and am curious if anyone was considering doing the same thing in NSW? _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=174referral=Hotmail_taglines_plainURL=http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
[aus-soaring] Club Booking software for members?
I am begging around for software that can be used in Club environ where members can indicate that they are coming out on a particular day to fly, we are trying to move from 5 days a week to 7 days a week and I need to know who wants to fly. Second phase is to have some booking software for our Trial Flights so we can tell customers to turn up at 11:00am or whatever time. Because we are a club the bookings roster is not on line for all the club parties involved in bookings. So I am looking for two web solutions Thanks -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] TIFs etc (COMBO CLUB?)
The vision we are working to at SCGC is one where the AEFs dont interfere with the regular flying to do this: 1) We have and will maintain a dedicated two seater for the AEF jobs 2) We will end up with two AEI/Instructors assigned on weekends to AEFS. One will be flying an AEF, while the other will be preparing/briefing the next person they take up. The flying jobs are rotated AEF for AEF. So role would be meet/greet the AEF, sign paperwork, collect money of AEF prepaid ticket, write out the AEF certificate, take photo of AEF in cockpit, retrieve the AEF glider as it comes back. 3) Booking of AEFs on a hourly basis, so we fit around 6 in each day at least Lastly the grand view is AEF turns up at Clubhouse and is greeted by "their" AEI/Instructor, they see a video, fill in paperwork pay money, move to the airfield and are slotted into the dedicated AEF glider, photo taken, flight happens, certificate given and off they go.Sydney style...this will take 3 people dedicated. What do they get out of it? the chance to improve instruction skills in early stages and also flying for free..sounds good to me. What does customer get? A first rate experience that means they come back for more tell their friends to do it as well. Will they become members? maybe? but does it matter? Yes/No. yes we need more members, no, we need more money. So reality: 1) SCGC has one AEI/Instructor dedicated to the task. 2) We have a two seater dedicated 3) we dont do bookings, turn up around 11:00am and see what happens 4) we do the photo/certificate things I know which customer I would rather be!!! /daveb Phil Behnke wrote: Is there a good model within the Aussie club scene for a "combo club" which caters for both ends of the time/money spectrum - and those in the middle? The AEF's at our club are an important cross-subsidy element and has funded our fleet establishment from zero to useful in five years. (Upgrade next we hope.) They also provide members in the former category with both "free flying" and exposure to basic instruction. The balancing act must pre-occupy many of us who have contributed to club management and it would be interesting to hear of a model that is already working - or perhaps even being dreamed of. --- Regards, Phil Behnke Phone: 0419 024 783 Fax: 07 3878 7554 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SnailMail: 138 Kenmore Road, Kenmore, QLD 4069 AUSTRALIA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Deborah Fanning Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] TIFs etc Dave I agree with you totally I am at present on the GA merry go- round, lining up for my PPL course, the time, effort and not to mention money is considerable. I believe today people are cash rich, time poor, and there is no time to absorb learning to fly at a fair pace. I know of many Pilots were I fly, who do crash (Pardon the pun) courses as they don't have the time to do an hour a week for a year or two. Yesterday whilst at my flying school a chap had just passed his flight test, my instructor told me the two of them had flown 5 hours per day for the last week, and after passing his flight test he was boarding a commercial flight back to WA to start work as commercial pilot the next morning at 8.00 AM. This kind of situation seems to be the norm and the GA organisation would starve to death if they depended on Sunday fliers through the door !. Hey why drive to the field, study, pass tests,pay a fortune, and work like a dog to get the right to operate an aircraft, when you can go down to the local computer shop and pick up a gee wizz copy of flight Sim !! ( I think WE know the answer why ! but others might not) Deborah Fanning - Original Message - From: "Dave Boulter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] TIFs etc Interestingly, I have spent two weeks at Uni with a person who runs the Qld Royal Aero Club at Archerfield. She said the biggest problem they face is that people dont want to put the time in to learn to fly.instant gratification..so even GA has the same issues. They rely on pilots coming from overseas like Taiwan for training. The GA off the street person does not make them money. At SCGC we have talked at times of being like a feeder club for other clubs around NSW. This way as people progress in flying they may migrate to other parts of the country for their weekends away. This requires a macro view of the Gliding movement. I dont think we are ready for that sort of co-operation amongst Clubs. At SCGC we have affiliations with Forbes Lake Keepit. This means their members can fly with us at Club Rates we can fly there at Club Rates. We are now looking at how we can station a glider in the country full time or at least for the whole soaring season. That
Re: [aus-soaring] + BOLD STATEMENTS
I agree Mark, money is not the issue. It is time, generally. Even more flame suit on: I suggest that Clubs will be dead within a period of time, replaced by private trg and syndicates. I have suggested in our club SCGC, where members can join at a fee do ":work" around the club, like we do today. Others can join at a higher fee or pay higher rental rates. They come and go when they have bookings, much like power flying. Maybe this is a compromise.but it gets howled down all the time. It may create a "us" and "them".but it may just keep gliding going. Or another way, use AEFs as the revenue engine for your club, milk it to death work out how to give incentive to people to market operate an AEF organisation within the club. Use that to subsidise the "true members" I like the second way better that is what we are undertaking at SCGC. /daveb Mark Fisher wrote: Hi All, The following statement bears some level headed consideration. The fact is most gliding clubs own all their non flying assets apart from the airfield and they were paid off in the 60s and 70s a fact always ignored by those who write trite analysies on how expensive Passenger flights and aircraft hire should be. I think I read in an earlier post the fact that the cost isn't driving people from our sport, and this was justified by the fact that "our ski fields would be going broke " if this was a factor There are two attractions for Skiingsnow and equipment. You have all seen the yearly birth and death of Ski shops selling all things "Snow" to a public that doesn't need them. People love shiny new gear. For a club to sit back with its 30 and 40 y.o aircraft and expect to attract new members that CAN afford to fly is a fruitless exercise. Kingaroy have proven this with their Duo Discus, with club membership increasing significantly AFTER the Duo was purchased. Could it be that people appreciate the latest technologies, and this makes a club more attractive ??? I think so!! Put two clubs on one airfield. ClubA with a tidy Hornet and an ASK21, and clubB with a Blanik and a K6. Even with price of flying at 30-50% cheaper ClubB, which one would you join ? In regard to the comment about regulating the cost of AEF's, I must say I disagree. In my limited experience, very few people who actually arrive at the field for an AEF leave without having a flight due to cost. People expect to pay $100 or so for an AEF. On the other hand , almost all AEF's do is prolong the dying process of many of our clubs as our coffers are on drip feed to keep the bills paid. I know we see far less than 1% of AEF flights being converted to Full Membership, and this is with people in our club doing a great job at welcome prospective members and make them feel relaxed and involved. The days of the clapped out land-rover, and dilapidated pie cart are gone. If you have either of these you are sending the public the wrong message. Agreed it is not an easy task to keep a fleet and equipment upgraded, but it must be done. Many people buy a new car every few years, keep their home looking good, replace their golf clubs regularly , buy new clothes, upgrade to a new Flatscreen TV, etc etc. Not because they have to, but because they LIKE to. Of course, many of you are thinking "Our club can't afford to upgrade the fleet". You are probably correct. Perhaps your members can ? Cheers Mark (Flame-suit On) Incidentally I am strongly of the opinion all GFA sanctioned gliding clubs should be required to provide passenger flights to the public at reasonable, if neccassary regulated cost to not do so is an abrigation of responsibilty to promote our dying sport. Mark Fisher School of Exercise Science and Sport Management Southern Cross University Lismore, NSW, 2480 Australia Ph: +61 2 66203655 Fax +61 2 66203880 -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- | Dave Boulter |"Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss."--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484
Re: [aus-soaring] Xtreme
Maybe one way is to have more media appeal on the flying we do. The pencil cameras also timed slope soaring races would work. Last year I posted about a Hang Gliding competition I watched on TV in Singapore. The competition was held in Australia and they had people flying up down a slope timing them with various technical devices. The cameras were also on board on the ground at turn points on the slope. There was the usual extreme commentary, but the flying was safe controlled. Emilis Prelgauskas wrote: Thanks to Michael Texler for the statistical summary on the accident risk in gliding. And others for thoughts on the thread. My 2c: - Xtreme sports are indeed popular, they have a large viewing audience. But I believe participation numbers are small. And for some (eg skiboard acrobatics) quite sophisticated indoor venues (artificial wave machines) are built to get the audience close enough to the action (yo).(dusch,dusch) Parachuting already have such an Xtreme off-shoot - the people who dive down to chute at lake surface level, with one toe on the water surface, and so on. - Xtreme gliding does indeed have a place in the sport's repetoire of activities. Mainly I expect for the public as a one time experience. In comparison, formal aerobatics will also in the public arena be seen as 'boring'. Similarly self launch gliders have a place to offer the 'hire fly' option which we currrently lose to GA AUF. - The public perception of gliding as 'boring' I suspect is inevitable: we are whether we like it or not the senior aviation sport (75th anniversary of gliding in Australia in 2004), the main population are OFTTH, and we are seen as a safe activity in comparison to other sport aviation; while not seen as safe in relation to mass activities (driving, boating, horse riding, lacrosse) who kill many people each year without being Xtreme. - we OFTTH are indeed a barrier to young people joining. A note from a Canadian peer tells of his son quitting their gliding club 'cause everyone is dad's age. - When I talk about gliding participation, I don't include all the fair weather participants the above attracts. I'm focussed on the plight of getting retaining long term committed (or ought to be) type glider pilots. And I can see nothing attractive about the sport for them. South Australia has 'limitation of liability legislation for recreation providers' but I suspect the complex paper trail, cost and lack of legal precedent makes it difficult to know if this takes some burden off the sport's volunteers, or just nails their hides to the wall even more effectively. And my views about the sport's hierachy and its effect on volunteer motivation and effectiveness are well enough known for me not to need to go on about that. Hence my view that we now don't any longer have the people numbers needed to underpin all these varied types of gliding. Potentially the financially attractive parts may be hived off to businesses. Part 149 may mean GA AUF undertaking gliding AEF, Xtreme, holiday courses, pre-solo training, aerobatic courses. With public risk (from kiosk sales to flight accident) divested as well. This then leaves the remnant volunteer gliding core to get on with flying. Because whenever it has previously been suggested to the traditional sport to take on one of these off shoot forms of gliding, the suggestion is met with deafening silence. -- Emilis Prelgauskas B.ARCH ARAIA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- --- http://www.sgi-extremelinux.com The source of innovation and discoveryTM --- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
[aus-soaring] Comparison of EW vs Colibri vs VolksLogger?
Hi, I am after thoughts on all these units as I am going to buy one of these soon. What are the good points? Bad points? Would you buy one again? Thanks -- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Accident/incident analysis links (Gliders)
Simon, Can you tell us if any GFA Head quarters people are subscribed to aus-soaring? We already know of Nick Gilbert but anybody else who is part of the GFA HQ organisation? /daveb Mike Borgelt wrote: At 11:09 PM 26/05/03 +1000, you wrote: All I think what Michael Texler has pointed out from the links below is what many of us here really want GFA to address, and that is the lack of ONGOING information relating to accidents and incidents in our sport. The flow of information from GFA seems to suddenly dry up after 1998 (what happened then ?), and even though Kevin Olerhead has put on a series of safety seminars (the last in Sydney was November 17th 2001 if my e-mail records are correct), but very little made it into the GFA Magazine, so if you weren't there, you missed out, or you got the "distilled" version via your club newsletter / e-mail / noticeboard if you were lucky. The combined HGFA / GFA magazine has proven one thing to me, and that is that even though may of us might often consider the HGFA pilots "cowboys" from their often-times cavalier attitudes expressed in the magazine, their operations officer is not afraid to write about it in the magazine, which has a MONTHLY list of accidents and incidents. I think we should all petition our local state associations and GFA representatives to DEMAND the same thing happens for the gliding fraternity. I actually came across a USHGA (United States Hang Gliding Association) streaming Windows Media video called "Discover Hang Gliding" which indicated that they consider hang gliding safer than flying sailplanes. In light of the discussions on this list and the "head in the sand" approach to safety that is creeping in, and I just might have to concede that USHGA might actually be right. An organisation which has (or espouses to have) a foundation based on operational safety needs to constantly bring safety to the forefront of ALL its members. Regards Jason At 04:30 PM 26/05/2003 +0930, Michael Texler wrote: I am sure that there have been more accidents and incidents since, but that information is not easily found. Exactly. How about emailing Bob Hall and posting the reply here Jason? Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. -- | Dave Boulter |"Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss."--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484
[aus-soaring] Need to speak to anybody with experience in Airfield Closures Tower Closures
Hi, I need to speak with anybody who has experience in dealing with Air Services on Tower closures also anybody involved in situations where Gliding is not encouraged (price wise or operationally) within Australia. Please reply to my personal email not the soaring group so we can get in touch. Thanks -- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Fw: Gliding Logbook
Hi Jason, Why dont you put on our SCGC website in Members section for members to download at least? /daveb Jason Armistead wrote: For those who are interested, I have an Excel-based spreadsheet that allows a reasonable amount of statistical information to be gleaned from the cells, which are basically organised as log-book entries in each row. It can count flights on type, P1/P2 flight count, total and average durations, front/rear seat flying, passenger flights and is easily customisable by changing a few formulae. Totally FREE (except you need to have Excel 97 or above installed) with no warranty or suitability for your particular purposes ! Though I will try and assist with debugging or modifying the formulae to suit your purposes. Drop me an e-mail if you're interested. Jason At 08:21 PM 12/02/2003 +1000, Peter Stephenson wrote: FYI, I have no financial interest in it. PeterS - Original Message - From: Graham Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Stephensons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Gliding Logbook Thanks Peter, It looks ideal and a good price too. Graham. - Original Message - From: The Stephensons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Graham Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:31 PM Subject: Gliding Logbook www.IDEALmicrosystems.com Well worth it and so much better if you start early. PeterS -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Tugs of the future
test Mike Borgelt wrote: At 12:11 PM 4/02/03 +1100, you wrote: GFA only want certified engines although I do believe the later Rotaxs and their replacement parts are not certified but they are used in motorgliders. These motorgliders seem to maintain their CofA via the GFA system Who is this GFA that only wants certified engines? When was this policy decision made? Was it ever really made or is this just someone's pet belief imposed on glider pilots without real consultation or justification? Will anyone ever get an answer to this by those who must know? Don't hold your breath. Demanding certification ensures you will be stuck with obsolete systems and engineering particularly with a consumer base as small as we have. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
[aus-soaring] [Fwd: Hang Gliding Competitions on TV]
Original Message Subject: Hang Gliding Competitions on TV Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:14:14 +1100 From: Dave Boulter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a Channel in Shanghai I saw Hang Gliding Competitions at Stanwell Park Australia. It involved Slalom Ridge Racing, they used pencil cams, air to air from another glider ground cams. All was real professional. It makes me wonder whether we could do a similar thing on ridges where one glider at a time makes a timed run the fastest wins, with handicaps etc I guess. The main thing is we could actually get TV interested in something like this. Slalom not real practical for sailplanes I think. Ridge racingyes. -- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
[aus-soaring] [Fwd: Escape from New York IS28]
Original Message Subject: Escape from New York IS28 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:31:28 +1100 From: Dave Boulter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Just watching an oldie on HBO at Hotel in Shanghai. Kurt Russell has just flown an IS28 into New York to save the President. Nice aerotow, instruments included ADF reall advanced 3D display etc. Had his head in the cockpit all the , turns down streets in New York then climbs over the Empire State buidling to land on the roof. Good bit where the airbrakes come out he ejects a cool harpoon to pull up just in time from falling off the edge (maybe good for those outlandings near wires/fences etcno ground loops :-)) -- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Technology Solutions | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss.--- Ford Prefect | | ICON | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] GFA Chat Site
Hi Nick, I get the site up it says things like connecting to Milwaulke, connecting to Illanois etc then says cannot connect. maybe because I am behind a firewall, but I dont think so as I can do many things over our firewall. /daveb Nick Gilbert wrote: Hi All,I am toying with the idea of setting up a live chat site as a part of the GFA Website. For testing purposes I have temporarily set one up. I am not sure how long I will leave it there for but if you feel like helping me test it tonight (ie. Now) , go to:http://www.gfa.org.au/webchat.htmAnd I'll see you there.NickBTW - If you come across any problems, please let me know. -- | Dave Boulter |"Flying is learning to throw | | Customer Services | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations | miss."--- Ford Prefect | | Asia Pacific | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484
[aus-soaring] Club positive stuff
Hi, I for one am pretty happy with the way my time in gliding has gone. I am only looking back over a 11 year period from start to now. In summary I feel that Southern Cross Gliding Club has improved greatly from a satisfaction point of view, equipment point of view group of friends. I feel that my training has been good I feel safe in the sky. Things are never perfect but they are a lot better than 11 years ago. 1) When I started I was there all day was lucky to get 2 flights. I pushed gliders around all day so AEFs could be churned through the system. 2) I got involved have been on the Committee for 7 years. Other like minded people wanted to improve things got involved. New blood, new ideas, new enthusiasm always helps. I see it now as new people join the Committee they bring their own brand of enthusiasm. 3) Today we dont push as much we have a tractor to do retrieves improve turnaround. 4) Today we dont have as many AEFs but we charge $120 still get the same revenue. More time for training. 5) We have improved our facilities with a new easy access hangar. Painted our Club House. 6) We have improved our fleet: Purchased a new IS28, a Jantar II, another Pawnee have a DG1000 on order. 7) We have had 3 year improvement plans are now working on our first comprehensive Marketing Plan/Business plan to ensure the money for the DG increase membership. We do have our problems, we would like involvement from *all members*, we dont have perfect instructors or students, we have the odd ground handling incident.we are not perfect. But the key has been a positive group of people ( the people change sometimes but the +ve stays there) who want to improve the Club, the experience for members attract new members. Getting involved is the key, whether it is a little or a lot. I would like to see the end of discussion on GFA/Gliding/Gliding Clubs/PPL is better topics. I would like to see discussion that presents a problem/issue also suggests a solution. /daveb -- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Customer Services | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations| miss.--- Ford Prefect | | Asia Pacific | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
[aus-soaring] Joeys for Badge Flights?
Hi, there has been some discussion in our club about Joeys not being valid for Badge Flights - Silver C type stuff...anybody? -- | Dave Boulter |Flying is learning to throw| | Customer Services | yourself at the ground, and| | Director of Operations| miss.--- Ford Prefect | | Asia Pacific | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Silicon Graphics | Tel: +61.2.8875.9541 | Sydney Australia | Fax: +61.2.8875.9484 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
