Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info

2011-11-08 Thread Rob Moore 
Mike I certainly hope they do not restrict the GFA AEF system. It is expensive 
enough now. 

You would be more familiar than I am as to the number of incidents GFA has had 
under the above system

Rob Moore


On 09/11/2011, at 10:06 AM, Mike Cleaver  wrote:

> When it was first mooted ten years or so ago, the NZ Part 115 rule 
> potentially would have allowed customers to purchase a ride in a net slung 
> under a helicopter, among other weird ideas. They have toned it down a lot 
> and basically applied it to selling a sport aviation experience to people off 
> the street who are not capable of giving the "informed consent" that is an 
> inherent part in participating in an aviation sport.
> 
> Australia has had CAO 95.4.1 for glider charter flights for over 15 years, 
> though nowadays most clubs use the air experience provisions to introduce 
> people to gliding.
> 
> And it is over 25 years since Australia followed the UK and a lot of European 
> countries with normalised rules for passenger rides in hot air balloons, with 
> proper rules for commercial pilot licences and certified operators. We would 
> not call these balloon flights "high risk" as they are properly regulated - 
> unlike NZ until now. However, there are still some countries and some balloon 
> operators that do not apply safe operating rules, and they are the ones where 
> accidents have happened and passengers killed by totally avoidable 
> occurrences that have been improperly managed.
> 
> From the latest information available, it seems my former employer has 
> started to move forward with our proposed new rules, which will be coming 
> from a quite different direction from our Pacific neighbours.
> 
> Wombat
> 
> At 10:02 9/11/2011, you wrote:
>> Maybe it is all about Australia NZ rivalry, Australia is first with such 
>> widely based the carbon tax, so NZ ups the ante with being first with this 
>> regulation, and proud of it obviously, given this “We are to my knowledge is 
>> the only regulator in the world to introduce an adventure aviation rule."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 November 2011 08:38, Mike Borgelt 
>> <mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> 
>> wrote:
>> At 06:28 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:
>>> At 05:41 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:
 http://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.page
  
 ___
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "The seminar was held to explain how to complete the reams of paperwork 
>>> needed to comply with CAA rule part 115 – Adventure Aviation – 
>>> Certification and Operations.
>>> 
>>> The CAA anticipates it will issue about 50 certificates, costing about 
>>> $7,600 each, within the first year."
>>> 
>>> Wonderful, not how to operate safely but how to fill in the extensive 
>>> paperwork and be charged for it. If the Mafia did this it would be called a 
>>> protection racket.
>>> Eventually the parasite class will find that the corpse of the productive 
>>> class doesn't have any more blood in it.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>> 
>> What's really funny though is that this is the country that invented 
>> commercial bungee jumping!
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978
>> phone Int'l + 61 746 355784
>> fax   Int'l + 61 746 358796
>> cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784
>> 
>> email: 
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>> website: www.borgeltinstruments.com
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Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info

2011-11-08 Thread Mike Cleaver 
When it was first mooted ten years or so ago, the 
NZ Part 115 rule potentially would have allowed 
customers to purchase a ride in a net slung under 
a helicopter, among other weird ideas. They have 
toned it down a lot and basically applied it to 
selling a sport aviation experience to people off 
the street who are not capable of giving the 
"informed consent" that is an inherent part in 
participating in an aviation sport.


Australia has had CAO 95.4.1 for glider charter 
flights for over 15 years, though nowadays most 
clubs use the air experience provisions to introduce people to gliding.


And it is over 25 years since Australia followed 
the UK and a lot of European countries with 
normalised rules for passenger rides in hot air 
balloons, with proper rules for commercial pilot 
licences and certified operators. We would not 
call these balloon flights "high risk" as they 
are properly regulated - unlike NZ until now. 
However, there are still some countries and some 
balloon operators that do not apply safe 
operating rules, and they are the ones where 
accidents have happened and passengers killed by 
totally avoidable occurrences that have been improperly managed.


From the latest information available, it seems 
my former employer has started to move forward 
with our proposed new rules, which will be coming 
from a quite different direction from our Pacific neighbours.


Wombat

At 10:02 9/11/2011, you wrote:
Maybe it is all about Australia NZ rivalry, 
Australia is first with such widely based the 
carbon tax, so NZ ups the ante with being first 
with this regulation, and proud of it obviously, 
given this “We are to my knowledge is the only 
regulator in the world to introduce an adventure aviation rule."




Cheers

Paul


On 9 November 2011 08:38, Mike Borgelt 
<mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> 
wrote:

At 06:28 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:

At 05:41 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:
http://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.page 


___



"The seminar was held to explain how to 
complete the reams of paperwork needed to 
comply with CAA rule part 115 – Adventure 
Aviation – Certification and Operations.


The CAA anticipates it will issue about 50 
certificates, costing about $7,600 each, within the first year."


Wonderful, not how to operate safely but how to 
fill in the extensive paperwork and be charged 
for it. If the Mafia did this it would be called a protection racket.
Eventually the parasite class will find that 
the corpse of the productive class doesn't have any more blood in it.


Mike


What's really funny though is that this is the 
country that invented commercial bungee jumping!


Mike

Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978
phone Int'l + 61 746 355784
fax   Int'l + 61 746 358796
cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784

email: 
mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com

website: www.borgeltinstruments.com

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Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info

2011-11-08 Thread Paul Bart 
Maybe it is all about Australia NZ rivalry, Australia is first with such
widely based the carbon tax, so NZ ups the ante with being first with this
regulation, and proud of it obviously, given this “We are to my knowledge
is the only regulator in the world to introduce an adventure aviation rule."



Cheers

Paul


On 9 November 2011 08:38, Mike Borgelt wrote:

>  At 06:28 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:
>
> At 05:41 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:
>
>  http://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.page
> ___
>
>
>
> "The seminar was held to explain how to complete the reams of paperwork
> needed to comply with CAA rule part 115 – *Adventure Aviation –
> Certification and Operations*.
>
> The CAA anticipates it will issue about 50 certificates, costing about
> $7,600 each, within the first year."
>
> Wonderful, not how to operate safely but how to fill in the extensive
> paperwork and be charged for it. If the Mafia did this it would be called a
> protection racket.
> Eventually the parasite class will find that the corpse of the productive
> class doesn't have any more blood in it.
>
> Mike
>
> *
> What's really funny though is that this is the country that invented
> commercial bungee jumping!
>
> Mike*
>
>  *Borgelt Instruments* - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments
> since 1978
> phone Int'l + 61 746 355784
> fax   Int'l + 61 746 358796
> cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784
>
> email:   mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> website: www.borgeltinstruments.com
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info

2011-11-08 Thread Christopher Mc Donnell 
Don't worry! The NZ Govt. Dept. that handles lifts and cranes probably already 
has the commercial Bungee Companies licenced.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Borgelt 
  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 8:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info


  At 06:28 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:

At 05:41 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:

  http://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.page 
  ___


"The seminar was held to explain how to complete the reams of paperwork 
needed to comply with CAA rule part 115 - Adventure Aviation - Certification 
and Operations.
 
The CAA anticipates it will issue about 50 certificates, costing about 
$7,600 each, within the first year."

Wonderful, not how to operate safely but how to fill in the extensive 
paperwork and be charged for it. If the Mafia did this it would be called a 
protection racket.
Eventually the parasite class will find that the corpse of the productive 
class doesn't have any more blood in it.

Mike 

  What's really funny though is that this is the country that invented 
commercial bungee jumping!

  Mike 
  Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978
  phone Int'l + 61 746 355784
  fax   Int'l + 61 746 358796
  cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784

  email:   mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
  website: www.borgeltinstruments.com 


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Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info

2011-11-08 Thread Mike Borgelt 

At 06:28 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:

At 05:41 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:
http://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.page 


___



"The seminar was held to explain how to complete 
the reams of paperwork needed to comply with CAA 
rule part 115 – Adventure Aviation – Certification and Operations.


The CAA anticipates it will issue about 50 
certificates, costing about $7,600 each, within the first year."


Wonderful, not how to operate safely but how to 
fill in the extensive paperwork and be charged 
for it. If the Mafia did this it would be called a protection racket.
Eventually the parasite class will find that the 
corpse of the productive class doesn't have any more blood in it.


Mike


What's really funny though is that this is the 
country that invented commercial bungee jumping!


Mike
Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978
phone Int'l + 61 746 355784
fax   Int'l + 61 746 358796
cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784

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Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info

2011-11-08 Thread Mike Borgelt 

At 05:41 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:

http://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.page
___



"The seminar was held to explain how to complete 
the reams of paperwork needed to comply with CAA 
rule part 115 – Adventure Aviation – Certification and Operations.


The CAA anticipates it will issue about 50 
certificates, costing about $7,600 each, within the first year."


Wonderful, not how to operate safely but how to 
fill in the extensive paperwork and be charged 
for it. If the Mafia did this it would be called a protection racket.
Eventually the parasite class will find that the 
corpse of the productive class doesn't have any more blood in it.


Mike
Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978
phone Int'l + 61 746 355784
fax   Int'l + 61 746 358796
cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784

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[Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info

2011-11-07 Thread Christopher Mc Donnell 
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