Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
Hi Derek, you're right, that is a problem as Mequiars tech support state that all their wax finishes contain silicones. Still looking! As the glider is about 35 years old and could have been polished with who knows what by previous owners I'm not going to get too precious about it though... BB. BTW, I also contacted the CarLack tech support who advised: In answer to your question - yes, CarLack does have a small percentage of silicone. It makes the product so much easier to apply. A formula was tried without silicone, but was discontinued due to the fact it was more difficult to apply. Let us know if you require any further information. Regards eXtraShine - Perfection and Protection ABN: 18 837 102 355 www.extrashine.com.au i...@extrashine.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
I've always assumed that CarLack is silicone free based on the Airplan Flight Equipment website: http://www.afeonline.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1989 which states: Carlack 68 Systemic Care is a silicone-free cleaner/polish which offers a high-quality surface finish and UV protection. The silicone-free formulation makes Carlack 68 suitable for both metal and composite construction. Furthermore, CarLack is endorsed on the DG site: http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/gelcoat-e.html as silicone free. ...it is much better to use a 'green' solvent such as De-Solvit or a good silicone free polish such as Car lack or Lesonal. If used regularly, these latter polishes will also provide some protection against UV. Avoid the use of any polish containing silicones as it makes it very difficult to re-finish a scarfed repair on the structure should it ever be necessary. Who can you trust? Regards Jarek bb...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Derek, you're right, that is a problem as Mequiars tech support state that all their wax finishes contain silicones. Still looking! As the glider is about 35 years old and could have been polished with who knows what by previous owners I'm not going to get too precious about it though... BB. BTW, I also contacted the CarLack tech support who advised: In answer to your question - yes, CarLack does have a small percentage of silicone. It makes the product so much easier to apply. A formula was tried without silicone, but was discontinued due to the fact it was more difficult to apply. Let us know if you require any further information. Regards eXtraShine - Perfection and Protection ABN: 18 837 102 355 www.extrashine.com.au i...@extrashine.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
I've just visited the German Car-lack website: http://www.carlack.de/carlack/home_eng.htm. They have a product called poly-lack which is supposed to be formulated for aeroplane-care premium surface protection... [] ...cleaner sealant developed especially for aeroplanes (plastic). It features a nice glider picture on the label. Perhaps this is the one without silicone? Regards Jarek bb...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Derek, you're right, that is a problem as Mequiars tech support state that all their wax finishes contain silicones. Still looking! As the glider is about 35 years old and could have been polished with who knows what by previous owners I'm not going to get too precious about it though... BB. BTW, I also contacted the CarLack tech support who advised: In answer to your question - yes, CarLack does have a small percentage of silicone. It makes the product so much easier to apply. A formula was tried without silicone, but was discontinued due to the fact it was more difficult to apply. Let us know if you require any further information. Regards eXtraShine - Perfection and Protection ABN: 18 837 102 355 www.extrashine.com.au i...@extrashine.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
Yes, it is hard to know who to trust! I just spoke to a tech support gentleman at Stork AWD ( http://www.storkawd.com.au/marine/restorers-and-waxers.php [1] ) and he firstly assured me that NONE of the Feracla products contain silicone. However he then qualified that by saying that the waxes like the Marine Ultimate UV Wax contain a VERY tiny amount of silicone . He assured me they are sold into professional paint shops and would pose no problem when refinishing a glider. He seemed quite informed, more so than others I've spoken to (for what that's worth) and was up front about the silicone saying he always mentioned it to customers despite Feracla generally stating 'no silicones'. He advised the Feracla G3 is about the same as the Marine Gel Coat Restorer in terms of cutting abrasiveness. Hope this helps someone besides me, Regards, BB. On Wed 30/09/09 11:50 AM , Jarek Mosiejewski jar...@optushome.com.au sent: I've always assumed that CarLack is silicone free based on the Airplan Flight Equipment website: http://www.afeonline.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1989 [2] which states: Carlack 68 Systemic Care is a silicone-free cleaner/polish which offers a high-quality surface finish and UV protection. The silicone-free formulation makes Carlack 68 suitable for both metal and composite construction. Furthermore, CarLack is endorsed on the DG site: http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/gelcoat-e.html [3] as silicone free. ...it is much better to use a 'green' solvent such as De-Solvit or a good silicone free polish such as Car lack or Lesonal. If used regularly, these latter polishes will also provide some protection against UV. Avoid the use of any polish containing silicones as it makes it very difficult to re-finish a scarfed repair on the structure should it ever be necessary. Who can you trust? Regards Jarek bb...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Derek, you're right, that is a problem as Mequiars tech support state that all their wax finishes contain silicones. Still looking! As the glider is about 35 years old and could have been polished with who knows what by previous owners I'm not going to get too precious about it though... BB. BTW, I also contacted the CarLack tech support who advised: In answer to your question - yes, CarLack does have a small percentage of silicone. It makes the product so much easier to apply. A formula was tried without silicone, but was discontinued due to the fact it was more difficult to apply. Let us know if you require any further information. Regards eXtraShine - Perfection and Protection ABN: 18 837 102 355 http://www.extrashine.com.au [4]www.extrashine.com.au i...@extrashine.com.au Links: -- [1] http://www.storkawd.com.au/marine/restorers-and-waxers.phpnbsp; [2] http://webmail.internode.on.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.afeonline.com%2Fshop%2Fproduct_info.php%3Fproducts_id%3D1989 [3] http://webmail.internode.on.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dg-flugzeugbau.de%2Fgelcoat-e.html [4] http://www.extrashine.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
Thanks to all for the very useful information. I did contact Meguiars tech support who advised the following products are silicon free (many of their products are not); however i will certainly check out the Farecla as well. M4916 Oxidisation Remover: http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=5category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Surface%20Prepshow=3 [1] M4516 High Gloss Polish http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=9category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Polish%20and%20Protectshow=3 [2] Have also been told that Plexus, which we have already used to clean the canopy, is full of silicon! Hard to get away from this stuff! In any case, Prepsol seems to be the answer for any future problems. Thanks again for the advice, Bernie. Links: -- [1] http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=5amp;category=SPECIALTYamp;subcat=Marine%20Careamp;subsubcat=Surface%20Prepamp;show=3 [2] http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=9amp;category=SPECIALTYamp;subcat=Marine%20Careamp;subsubcat=Polish%20and%20Protectamp;show=3 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
Hi Bernie You can use the polish to get the shine, but then to protect the finish, which of their waxes are silicone free? Cheers Derek -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of bb...@internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 29 September 2009 10:46 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? Thanks to all for the very useful information. I did contact Meguiars tech support who advised the following products are silicon free (many of their products are not); however i will certainly check out the Farecla as well. M4916 Oxidisation Remover: http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=5category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Surface%20Prepshow=3 M4516 High Gloss Polish http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=9category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Polish%20and%20Protectshow=3 Have also been told that Plexus, which we have already used to clean the canopy, is full of silicon! Hard to get away from this stuff! In any case, Prepsol seems to be the answer for any future problems. Thanks again for the advice, Bernie. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
I have not read a glider manual which advocated anything other than keeping very well away from silicone polishes. Why not use a proper silicone free product like Farola (?) and not take the risk? There are a number of these polishes which can be got from the more professional car parts and crash repairers which state on the pack that they are silicone free. I'm not sure about the name, but the packs are all yellow and there's a range from straight polish to swirl remover and cutting polish. I saw Andrew Maddocks polish a wing with some of this stuff, and it is the only thing I would use on my glider. Meguiars do make some silicone free polishes. You can normally read the can and see if they advocate something like Paint-shop use but I think it is really important to have something that states silicone free. These Farola (or whatever the name is) products do state that. HTH DMcD ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
Farecla -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of DMcD Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2009 4:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? I have not read a glider manual which advocated anything other than keeping very well away from silicone polishes. Why not use a proper silicone free product like Farola (?) and not take the risk? There are a number of these polishes which can be got from the more professional car parts and crash repairers which state on the pack that they are silicone free. I'm not sure about the name, but the packs are all yellow and there's a range from straight polish to swirl remover and cutting polish. I saw Andrew Maddocks polish a wing with some of this stuff, and it is the only thing I would use on my glider. Meguiars do make some silicone free polishes. You can normally read the can and see if they advocate something like Paint-shop use but I think it is really important to have something that states silicone free. These Farola (or whatever the name is) products do state that. HTH DMcD ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
I use Car-Lack 68: http://www.extrashine.com.au/product_info.html#carlack68 It contains no silicone and provides UV protection. Regards Jarek From: Future Aviation Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:22 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? Hello Bernie I use NUFINISH myself and provided you clean the area properly with a product called PREPSOL there is no problem at all with later Gelcoat or PU applications. The cleaning needs to be very thorough and should be done repeatedly using clean rags all the time. I hope this helps. Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Baer Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2009 10:37 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? Hello folks, it's Form 2 time and we plan to give our LS1-f a bit of a buff and polish. A product called NuFinish was recommended, however a quick Google search finds that it contains silicon and I understand that this is not a good thing should any future repairs be required. Is this correct, or is silicon getting a bad rap? Our club has used a Meguiars marine product called M4516 High Gloss Polish, I am led to believe that this contains no silicon but have yet to confirm that. See http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=9category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Polish%20and%20Protectshow=3 Can anyone speak with authority on this subject? Any other products that I should know about? The gel coat is in good condition, it was machine buffed last year and shows little if any oxidisation to my untrained eye. I imagine a quick polish followed by a wax would be sufficient, so the Meguiars marine products are looking good: http://www.meguiars.com.au/product_2006.php?category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine Caresubsubcat=Polish Thanks, Bernie. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
Ever since I watched Shane McCaffery polish his wings with Mr Sheen (!) on the grid each day at the Dalby nationals I have figured it doesn't much matter so long as your repairer has some Prepsol to wash it off with prior to any repairs, which they will always do as a matter of course anyway. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2009 9:34 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? I use Car-Lack 68: http://www.extrashine.com.au/product_info.html#carlack68 It contains no silicone and provides UV protection. Regards Jarek From: Future mailto:ec...@internode.on.net Aviation Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:22 AM To: 'Discussion mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? Hello Bernie I use NUFINISH myself and provided you clean the area properly with a product called PREPSOL there is no problem at all with later Gelcoat or PU applications. The cleaning needs to be very thorough and should be done repeatedly using clean rags all the time. I hope this helps. Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Baer Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2009 10:37 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? Hello folks, it's Form 2 time and we plan to give our LS1-f a bit of a buff and polish. A product called NuFinish was recommended, however a quick Google search finds that it contains silicon and I understand that this is not a good thing should any future repairs be required. Is this correct, or is silicon getting a bad rap? Our club has used a Meguiars marine product called M4516 High Gloss Polish, I am led to believe that this contains no silicon but have yet to confirm that. See http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=9 http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=9category=SPECIALTY; subcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Polish%20and%20Protectshow=3 category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Polish%20and%20Protectsh ow=3 Can anyone speak with authority on this subject? Any other products that I should know about? The gel coat is in good condition, it was machine buffed last year and shows little if any oxidisation to my untrained eye. I imagine a quick polish followed by a wax would be sufficient, so the Meguiars marine products are looking good: http://www.meguiars.com.au/product_2006.php?category=SPECIALTY http://www.meguiars.com.au/product_2006.php?category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marin e subcat=Marine Caresubsubcat=Polish Thanks, Bernie. _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
I thought the issue with silicone based polishes is the perception that the silicones migrate through the gel coat into the underlying structure, making future repairs problematical. Whether this is actually occurs or not I don't know and am not qualified to comment. Cheers Derek -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 28 September 2009 8:37 AM To: 'Jarek Mosiejewski'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? Ever since I watched Shane McCaffery polish his wings with Mr Sheen (!) on the grid each day at the Dalby nationals I have figured it doesn't much matter so long as your repairer has some Prepsol to wash it off with prior to any repairs, which they will always do as a matter of course anyway. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2009 9:34 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? I use Car-Lack 68: http://www.extrashine.com.au/product_info.html#carlack68 It contains no silicone and provides UV protection. Regards Jarek From: Future Aviationmailto:ec...@internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:22 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? Hello Bernie I use NUFINISH myself and provided you clean the area properly with a product called PREPSOL there is no problem at all with later Gelcoat or PU applications. The cleaning needs to be very thorough and should be done repeatedly using clean rags all the time. I hope this helps. Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netmailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Baer Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2009 10:37 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? Hello folks, it's Form 2 time and we plan to give our LS1-f a bit of a buff and polish. A product called NuFinish was recommended, however a quick Google search finds that it contains silicon and I understand that this is not a good thing should any future repairs be required. Is this correct, or is silicon getting a bad rap? Our club has used a Meguiars marine product called M4516 High Gloss Polish, I am led to believe that this contains no silicon but have yet to confirm that. See http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=9category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Polish%20and%20Protectshow=3 Can anyone speak with authority on this subject? Any other products that I should know about? The gel coat is in good condition, it was machine buffed last year and shows little if any oxidisation to my untrained eye. I imagine a quick polish followed by a wax would be sufficient, so the Meguiars marine products are looking good: http://www.meguiars.com.au/product_2006.php?category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine Caresubsubcat=Polish Thanks, Bernie. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
Hello folks, it's Form 2 time and we plan to give our LS1-f a bit of a buff and polish. A product called NuFinish was recommended, however a quick Google search finds that it contains silicon and I understand that this is not a good thing should any future repairs be required. Is this correct, or is silicon getting a bad rap? Our club has used a Meguiars marine product called M4516 High Gloss Polish, I am led to believe that this contains no silicon but have yet to confirm that. See http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=9category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Polish%20and%20Protectshow=3 Can anyone speak with authority on this subject? Any other products that I should know about? The gel coat is in good condition, it was machine buffed last year and shows little if any oxidisation to my untrained eye. I imagine a quick polish followed by a wax would be sufficient, so the Meguiars marine products are looking good: http://www.meguiars.com.au/product_2006.php?category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine Caresubsubcat=Polish Thanks, Bernie. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
Hello Bernie I use NUFINISH myself and provided you clean the area properly with a product called PREPSOL there is no problem at all with later Gelcoat or PU applications. The cleaning needs to be very thorough and should be done repeatedly using clean rags all the time. I hope this helps. Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Baer Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2009 10:37 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? Hello folks, it's Form 2 time and we plan to give our LS1-f a bit of a buff and polish. A product called NuFinish was recommended, however a quick Google search finds that it contains silicon and I understand that this is not a good thing should any future repairs be required. Is this correct, or is silicon getting a bad rap? Our club has used a Meguiars marine product called M4516 High Gloss Polish, I am led to believe that this contains no silicon but have yet to confirm that. See http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=9 http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=9category=SPECIALTY; subcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Polish%20and%20Protectshow=3 category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Polish%20and%20Protectsh ow=3 Can anyone speak with authority on this subject? Any other products that I should know about? The gel coat is in good condition, it was machine buffed last year and shows little if any oxidisation to my untrained eye. I imagine a quick polish followed by a wax would be sufficient, so the Meguiars marine products are looking good: http://www.meguiars.com.au/product_2006.php?category=SPECIALTY http://www.meguiars.com.au/product_2006.php?category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marin e subcat=Marine Caresubsubcat=Polish Thanks, Bernie. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
