Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
Why do we have the competition licence? It used to be the Silver badge was the necessary qualification. What does the competition licence add to safety or anything else? Yours Peter Champness On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Ross, This is an FAI document not a GFA one, and the requirements may therefore be set by someone else. However, I will talk to Beryl and see what may be done. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 12:16 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal When are we going to automate this process? Why does Beryl have to personally sign everyone's competition licence renewal? It is a process embedded in 1960's thinking. Surely there is a way that these renewals can be completed online now? ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 10:39 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; crispin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Hi Robert, In a bit more detail, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well – belts and braces. Here is the address: GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. Good luck. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matt Gage Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM To: crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Go to the GFA online shop and look under FAI - not Sport ! On 09/09/2013, at 7:01 , Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've spent a frustrating time trying to find information on the GFA web site on how to renew my competition licence - to no avail. Please can someone point me to the web reference to this - or otherwise tell me how to do this? Tks -- Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
20 years ago SSA when you joined as a member they would renew your comp licence automatically on your SSA membership card. I think you had to have silver C to be eligible. Jim Staniforth what happens in USA these days?Ian M On 9 September 2013 18:56, Plchampness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: Why do we have the competition licence? It used to be the Silver badge was the necessary qualification. What does the competition licence add to safety or anything else? Yours Peter Champness On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Ross, ** ** This is an FAI document not a GFA one, and the requirements may therefore be set by someone else. ** ** However, I will talk to Beryl and see what may be done. ** ** Cheers ** ** *Tim* *Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare* ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Ross McLean *Sent:* Monday, 9 September 2013 12:16 *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal ** ** When are we going to automate this process? Why does Beryl have to personally sign everyone's competition licence renewal? It is a process embedded in 1960's thinking. Surely there is a way that these renewals can be completed online now? ROSS ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Gary Stevenson *Sent:* Monday, 9 September 2013 10:39 AM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; crispin...@gmail.com *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal ** ** Hi Robert, *In a bit more detail*, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well – belts and braces. Here is the address: ** ** GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 ** ** As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. ** ** Good luck. Gary ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Matt Gage *Sent:* Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM *To:* crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal ** ** Go to the GFA online shop and look under FAI - not Sport ! ** ** ** ** ** ** On 09/09/2013, at 7:01 , Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com wrote: ** ** Hi I've spent a frustrating time trying to find information on the GFA web site on how to renew my competition licence - to no avail. Please can someone point me to the web reference to this - or otherwise tell me how to do this? Tks -- *Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! * *Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 * ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ** ** -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
Hi all, The FAI Competition Licence is a requirement for claiming FAI records, and badges and certificates above a certain level. This is not a GFA decision and there is nothing GFA can do about it. The competition licence – in this respect - is not a GFA matter. The decision to require a Competition Licence for entry into endorsed competitions was a question of insurance. In order to obtain insurance cover for competition officials, the insurers said that a Competition Licence would be a requirement. The Application for a new Competition Licence requires a CFI signature, which indicates that in the CFI’s opinion that person is sufficiently skilled to fly in a competition. That may or may not enhance safety, but it is at least an independent assessment by someone who ought to know. The result of changing this rule would be that competition officials would not be covered by GFA insurance. And so, there would be no competition officials, at least none who had a family, or owned a house. J Which might fall into your “anything else” category. Or maybe not. It is possible that some other requirement could be negotiated with the insurer – for example that every competitor holds a GPC – but that might be seen to be even more onerous, and limiting on entry-level competitors. You can be sure that I would not be a competition official without the benefit of insurance cover. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Plchampness Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 18:57 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Why do we have the competition licence? It used to be the Silver badge was the necessary qualification. What does the competition licence add to safety or anything else? Yours Peter Champness On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Ross, This is an FAI document not a GFA one, and the requirements may therefore be set by someone else. However, I will talk to Beryl and see what may be done. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 12:16 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal When are we going to automate this process? Why does Beryl have to personally sign everyone's competition licence renewal? It is a process embedded in 1960's thinking. Surely there is a way that these renewals can be completed online now? ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 10:39 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; crispin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Hi Robert, In a bit more detail, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well – belts and braces. Here is the address: GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. Good luck. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matt Gage Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM To: crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Go to the GFA online shop and look under FAI - not Sport ! On 09/09/2013, at 7:01 , Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've spent a frustrating time trying to find information on the GFA web site on how to renew my competition licence - to no avail. Please can someone point me to the web reference to this - or otherwise tell me how to do this? Tks -- Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
Peter, I am amazed that you again raise this hoary old topic. In fact it is an “old whore” topic. I worked in the gold mining industry (exploration), for some time and the big question then was” how do you tell the real thing from the common (wh)ore? Groan. Given that I claim no expertise at all on this subject, (unlike other postees on this site who would like you to believe they represent God Almighty on any given topic), I think I can make a whole series of totally unproven claims, with total aplomb. Apropos of nothing, let me remind you (just in case you may have forgotten - a couple of days have after all passed), that we have VERY recently concluded an election, the outcome of which is that this country now has a new g’ment. Hooray, Hooray!! ?? Did you take careful note of all the pre-election “promises”, especially those made by the party which is now set to govern Australia for the next few years? Let me propose (I am after all very naive), that the FAI exists to do something that (among many other (possibly conflicting interests), involves supporting and advancing the gliding movement on a worldwide basis. You might have to go to the FAI website and do a bit of basic research to find out what they actually claim is their “mission”. Then you might like to also have a look at their outcomes record. Regardless of outcomes, all this requires large (??), amounts of funds to support an underlying bureaucracy: QED, we have the FAI Competitors Licence, and in Australia, the $ 5 pa fee. Do any of you read books these days? Maybe not, or maybe not very often. Regardless, most of you have probably at least heard of Bernie Ecclestone. A (possibly ex) friend of Bernie’s named Susan Watkins wrote a biography of the man. Here are the title details “Bernie: The Biography of Bernie Ecclestone”. Last I heard, Bernie was a top 10, or better, contender for the “World’s Richest” title. Bernie was always into cars, and he became ”involved” with Formula One racing. Read his story, and then ask yourself was BE good for F1 motor racing.? There is no doubt that F1 was good for Bernie! Here are a couple of questions to ponder: · Does gliding need someone like Bernie? · Do you think that there are (any) parallels between top level gliding, and F1 motor racing as shaped by BE? Cheers, Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Plchampness Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 6:57 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Why do we have the competition licence? It used to be the Silver badge was the necessary qualification. What does the competition licence add to safety or anything else? Yours Peter Champness On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Ross, This is an FAI document not a GFA one, and the requirements may therefore be set by someone else. However, I will talk to Beryl and see what may be done. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 12:16 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal When are we going to automate this process? Why does Beryl have to personally sign everyone's competition licence renewal? It is a process embedded in 1960's thinking. Surely there is a way that these renewals can be completed online now? ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 10:39 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; crispin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Hi Robert, In a bit more detail, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well – belts and braces. Here is the address: GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. Good luck. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matt Gage Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM To: crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
Go to the GFA online shop and look under FAI - not Sport ! On 09/09/2013, at 7:01 , Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've spent a frustrating time trying to find information on the GFA web site on how to renew my competition licence - to no avail. Please can someone point me to the web reference to this - or otherwise tell me how to do this? Tks -- Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
Hi Robert, In a bit more detail, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well - belts and braces. Here is the address: GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. Good luck. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matt Gage Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM To: crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Go to the GFA online shop and look under FAI - not Sport ! On 09/09/2013, at 7:01 , Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've spent a frustrating time trying to find information on the GFA web site on how to renew my competition licence - to no avail. Please can someone point me to the web reference to this - or otherwise tell me how to do this? Tks -- Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
Hi Ross, This is an FAI document not a GFA one, and the requirements may therefore be set by someone else. However, I will talk to Beryl and see what may be done. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 12:16 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal When are we going to automate this process? Why does Beryl have to personally sign everyone's competition licence renewal? It is a process embedded in 1960's thinking. Surely there is a way that these renewals can be completed online now? ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 10:39 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; crispin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Hi Robert, In a bit more detail, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well belts and braces. Here is the address: GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. Good luck. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matt Gage Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM To: crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Go to the GFA online shop and look under FAI - not Sport ! On 09/09/2013, at 7:01 , Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've spent a frustrating time trying to find information on the GFA web site on how to renew my competition licence - to no avail. Please can someone point me to the web reference to this - or otherwise tell me how to do this? Tks -- Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
