Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License
Adam, that you can, beware if push comes to shove as I understand it the blue licence you get from the BGA is still not assured by the UK CAA to be ICAO compliant. Why don't you chase around and get a proper EU licence from say the Dutch or somewherewhere they are not going to push the local language issue and let you do it in english. Ron On 28/03/2013, at 15:23, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: Great Question Ron, I got what you were chasing straight up. I'm in the same boat for many of my future championships around the glove. For the others that haven't figured out the Question: Can I go to a Lithuanian competition and compete in a German registered glider; or Can I go to a Polish competition with a Slovakian registered glider; or Can I go to a Slovakian competition with a French registered glider: or etc One thing I can answer, when I obtain a BGA license I'll be able to fly a Finnish glider at the Finland Pre-WGC this year. Cheers, WPP On 28/03/2013, at 5:36 PM, steph...@internode.on.net wrote: Ron, This is my understanding from digging into it a few years ago (and getting a French recognition of my PPL**). Hope it make sense to you. 1. To fly an aircraft registered to a particular country you need a matching license* issued by the country of aircraft registration. 2. The license can be one normally issued by the particular country or there can be some hoops to jump through where they will recognise a foreign license and and deem that equivalent (to some or all of the national license). 3. If you are legally flying a partcular countries registered aircraft, you may legally fly it into, out of, or inside a foriegn country provided that you meet the customs/border controls etc between the two. 4. There are effectively no controls between most (all?) European states due to an agreement in place for some years (Schengen treaty) So the real answer. Yes, you can fly an Italian glider in a German competition _if_ you have your license accepted by the Italians. *The big issue that we have (had) is that glider pilots in Australia (and UK and NZ) _dont_ (didn't) have a license. At least not one recognised by most foreign countries. **My French endorsement said something along the lines of can excercise all the priviledges of his license and as my PPL only had single engine below 5700kg and didn't have any glider endorsement I couldn't fly French gliders even though I have much more time in gliders than power. Regards SWK - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:58:32 +0800 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License Guys , I have question regards this new license - if i get one and just say the selectors went stark raving mad and i got to represent Australia to attend an international competition in say Germany, And the only glider I could rent or hire was an Itialian one, can i fly it in German airspace?? Interested. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License
All true I guess but the insurance is the real issue at the end of the day, they don't have to pay up unless you are TOTLLY within the law! On 28/03/2013, at 17:41, Terry Home terrycub...@bigpond.com wrote: Sounds like you have too many licenses Ron! Just put them all on the table and you should be right. Lucky for you, most Italian gliders are registered in Germany as the taxes etc are lower. My experience has been that you need to get an equivalence in the country of registration. Italian, French Norwegian. My Gfa white card plus a BGA 'licence' plus any other bit of paper and some patience resulted in the approval. Norway was easiest, basically a check flight. The more international your license the less patience you need. The ICAO language on the new Australian GPL should make it easier. Comments indicate that flying a German registered glider is the hardest. Terry Sent from my iPhone On 28/03/2013, at 5:40 PM, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Stephen, I am pretty sure that you have got the right answer. The issue for Aussies who go there in the future with the new GPC will be to get that endorsement or validation on their licence from the authority that registered the glider they are going to fly, you are right and that is the key. The present Blue license that the BGA issues is the same kind of con that we do (or used to) in that it is not ICAO compliant. What they are presently doing i guess is to get it so and then EASA compliant but at the mo it is not. Bureaucracy dontcha love it?? I rang the CASA the other day to ask why the endorsement self launching Glider was taken off my ATPL years ago. They said oh you can still fly your Nimbus 3 DM on your ATPL, just don't turn the motor off!! LOL CRY CRY Another one for you all, Do I need a bi-annual check in order to fly little aeroplanes, if I have six monthly tests and licence renewals renewals at work on my Aus ATPL?? R On 28 March 2013 14:36, steph...@internode.on.net wrote: Ron, This is my understanding from digging into it a few years ago (and getting a French recognition of my PPL**). Hope it make sense to you. 1. To fly an aircraft registered to a particular country you need a matching license* issued by the country of aircraft registration. 2. The license can be one normally issued by the particular country or there can be some hoops to jump through where they will recognise a foreign license and and deem that equivalent (to some or all of the national license). 3. If you are legally flying a partcular countries registered aircraft, you may legally fly it into, out of, or inside a foriegn country provided that you meet the customs/border controls etc between the two. 4. There are effectively no controls between most (all?) European states due to an agreement in place for some years (Schengen treaty) So the real answer. Yes, you can fly an Italian glider in a German competition _if_ you have your license accepted by the Italians. *The big issue that we have (had) is that glider pilots in Australia (and UK and NZ) _dont_ (didn't) have a license. At least not one recognised by most foreign countries. **My French endorsement said something along the lines of can excercise all the priviledges of his license and as my PPL only had single engine below 5700kg and didn't have any glider endorsement I couldn't fly French gliders even though I have much more time in gliders than power. Regards SWK - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:58:32 +0800 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License Guys , I have question regards this new license - if i get one and just say the selectors went stark raving mad and i got to represent Australia to attend an international competition in say Germany, And the only glider I could rent or hire was an Itialian one, can i fly it in German airspace?? Interested. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License
Ron, This is my understanding from digging into it a few years ago (and getting a French recognition of my PPL**). Hope it make sense to you. 1. To fly an aircraft registered to a particular country you need a matching license* issued by the country of aircraft registration. 2. The license can be one normally issued by the particular country or there can be some hoops to jump through where they will recognise a foreign license and and deem that equivalent (to some or all of the national license). 3. If you are legally flying a partcular countries registered aircraft, you may legally fly it into, out of, or inside a foriegn country provided that you meet the customs/border controls etc between the two. 4. There are effectively no controls between most (all?) European states due to an agreement in place for some years (Schengen treaty) So the real answer. Yes, you can fly an Italian glider in a German competition _if_ you have your license accepted by the Italians. *The big issue that we have (had) is that glider pilots in Australia (and UK and NZ) _dont_ (didn't) have a license. At least not one recognised by most foreign countries. **My French endorsement said something along the lines of can excercise all the priviledges of his license and as my PPL only had single engine below 5700kg and didn't have any glider endorsement I couldn't fly French gliders even though I have much more time in gliders than power. Regards SWK - Original Message - From:Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:58:32 +0800 Subject:[Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License Guys , I have question regards this new license - if i get one and just say the selectors went stark raving mad and i got to represent Australia to attend an international competition in say Germany, And the only glider I could rent or hire was an Itialian one, can i fly it in German airspace?? Interested. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License
Thanks Stephen, I am pretty sure that you have got the right answer. The issue for Aussies who go there in the future with the new GPC will be to get that endorsement or validation on their licence from the authority that registered the glider they are going to fly, you are right and that is the key. The present Blue license that the BGA issues is the same kind of con that we do (or used to) in that it is not ICAO compliant. What they are presently doing i guess is to get it so and then EASA compliant but at the mo it is not. Bureaucracy dontcha love it?? I rang the CASA the other day to ask why the endorsement self launching Glider was taken off my ATPL years ago. They said oh you can still fly your Nimbus 3 DM on your ATPL, just don't turn the motor off!! LOL CRY CRY Another one for you all, Do I need a bi-annual check in order to fly little aeroplanes, if I have six monthly tests and licence renewals renewals at work on my Aus ATPL?? R On 28 March 2013 14:36, steph...@internode.on.net wrote: Ron, This is my understanding from digging into it a few years ago (and getting a French recognition of my PPL**). Hope it make sense to you. 1. To fly an aircraft registered to a particular country you need a matching license* issued by the country of aircraft registration. 2. The license can be one normally issued by the particular country or there can be some hoops to jump through where they will recognise a foreign license and and deem that equivalent (to some or all of the national license). 3. If you are legally flying a partcular countries registered aircraft, you may legally fly it into, out of, or inside a foriegn country provided that you meet the customs/border controls etc between the two. 4. There are effectively no controls between most (all?) European states due to an agreement in place for some years (Schengen treaty) So the real answer. Yes, you can fly an Italian glider in a German competition _if_ you have your license accepted by the Italians. *The big issue that we have (had) is that glider pilots in Australia (and UK and NZ) _dont_ (didn't) have a license. At least not one recognised by most foreign countries. **My French endorsement said something along the lines of can excercise all the priviledges of his license and as my PPL only had single engine below 5700kg and didn't have any glider endorsement I couldn't fly French gliders even though I have much more time in gliders than power. Regards SWK - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:58:32 +0800 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License Guys , I have question regards this new license - if i get one and just say the selectors went stark raving mad and i got to represent Australia to attend an international competition in say Germany, And the only glider I could rent or hire was an Itialian one, can i fly it in German airspace?? Interested. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License
Great Question Ron, I got what you were chasing straight up. I'm in the same boat for many of my future championships around the glove. For the others that haven't figured out the Question: Can I go to a Lithuanian competition and compete in a German registered glider; or Can I go to a Polish competition with a Slovakian registered glider; or Can I go to a Slovakian competition with a French registered glider: or etc One thing I can answer, when I obtain a BGA license I'll be able to fly a Finnish glider at the Finland Pre-WGC this year. Cheers, WPP On 28/03/2013, at 5:36 PM, steph...@internode.on.net wrote: Ron, This is my understanding from digging into it a few years ago (and getting a French recognition of my PPL**). Hope it make sense to you. 1. To fly an aircraft registered to a particular country you need a matching license* issued by the country of aircraft registration. 2. The license can be one normally issued by the particular country or there can be some hoops to jump through where they will recognise a foreign license and and deem that equivalent (to some or all of the national license). 3. If you are legally flying a partcular countries registered aircraft, you may legally fly it into, out of, or inside a foriegn country provided that you meet the customs/border controls etc between the two. 4. There are effectively no controls between most (all?) European states due to an agreement in place for some years (Schengen treaty) So the real answer. Yes, you can fly an Italian glider in a German competition _if_ you have your license accepted by the Italians. *The big issue that we have (had) is that glider pilots in Australia (and UK and NZ) _dont_ (didn't) have a license. At least not one recognised by most foreign countries. **My French endorsement said something along the lines of can excercise all the priviledges of his license and as my PPL only had single engine below 5700kg and didn't have any glider endorsement I couldn't fly French gliders even though I have much more time in gliders than power. Regards SWK - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:58:32 +0800 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License Guys , I have question regards this new license - if i get one and just say the selectors went stark raving mad and i got to represent Australia to attend an international competition in say Germany, And the only glider I could rent or hire was an Itialian one, can i fly it in German airspace?? Interested. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License
A friend of mine can fly a B747 in any country Qantas still goes to but when it came to gliding he got the BGA licence which got him out of trouble and could fly in various countries Ian M On 28 March 2013 18:23, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: Great Question Ron, I got what you were chasing straight up. I'm in the same boat for many of my future championships around the glove. For the others that haven't figured out the Question: Can I go to a Lithuanian competition and compete in a German registered glider; or Can I go to a Polish competition with a Slovakian registered glider; or Can I go to a Slovakian competition with a French registered glider: or etc One thing I can answer, when I obtain a BGA license I'll be able to fly a Finnish glider at the Finland Pre-WGC this year. Cheers, WPP On 28/03/2013, at 5:36 PM, steph...@internode.on.net wrote: Ron, This is my understanding from digging into it a few years ago (and getting a French recognition of my PPL**). Hope it make sense to you. 1. To fly an aircraft registered to a particular country you need a matching license* issued by the country of aircraft registration. 2. The license can be one normally issued by the particular country or there can be some hoops to jump through where they will recognise a foreign license and and deem that equivalent (to some or all of the national license). 3. If you are legally flying a partcular countries registered aircraft, you may legally fly it into, out of, or inside a foriegn country provided that you meet the customs/border controls etc between the two. 4. There are effectively no controls between most (all?) European states due to an agreement in place for some years (Schengen treaty) So the real answer. Yes, you can fly an Italian glider in a German competition _if_ you have your license accepted by the Italians. *The big issue that we have (had) is that glider pilots in Australia (and UK and NZ) _dont_ (didn't) have a license. At least not one recognised by most foreign countries. **My French endorsement said something along the lines of can excercise all the priviledges of his license and as my PPL only had single engine below 5700kg and didn't have any glider endorsement I couldn't fly French gliders even though I have much more time in gliders than power. Regards SWK - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:58:32 +0800 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License Guys , I have question regards this new license - if i get one and just say the selectors went stark raving mad and i got to represent Australia to attend an international competition in say Germany, And the only glider I could rent or hire was an Itialian one, can i fly it in German airspace?? Interested. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License
On 28/03/13 23:55, Mark Newton wrote: If you already have a new ICAO-compliant PPL or CPL (issued by CASA towards the end of this year), you can have a glider class endorsement added to it instead of having two licenses. It sounds like CASA will accept the GPC as a proof of entitlement, so if you have one it'll probably make the issue of the CASA license simple. If you don't, you'll probably have to jump through some more hoops (or just get a GPC). So how do get my 2004 issued PPL upgraded to an ICAO compliant one? Or does it happen automatically? Jenny ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License
Jenny, The new PPLs will be issued automatically at your next medical after the end of this year, or if you have a need can be requested earlier than your medical (but not before about December as they don't start issuing them till then and will be targetting airline pilots, who must fly overseas, first). And I must clarify my answer to Ron which Mark highlighted. When Ron said this new license I assumed he was talking the coming CAR license not the existing GPC. As I sort of indicated in my original reply the GPC being a glider pilot _Certificate_ is not (to my knowledge) recognised as a license. So it won't get you recognition in other countries. In fact I consider it a pretty useless bit of paper, that's why I don't have one. Lack of one doesn't (at this stage) stop me flying in Australia. I may get one in future, but only so I can then get my Part 61 license endorsed with glider flying to allow me to fly overseas in future (obviously once I had the PPL endorsement the GPC returns to being valueless). Regards SWK On 29/03/2013 7:15 AM, Jenny Ganderton wrote: On 28/03/13 23:55, Mark Newton wrote: If you already have a new ICAO-compliant PPL or CPL (issued by CASA towards the end of this year), you can have a glider class endorsement added to it instead of having two licenses. It sounds like CASA will accept the GPC as a proof of entitlement, so if you have one it'll probably make the issue of the CASA license simple. If you don't, you'll probably have to jump through some more hoops (or just get a GPC). So how do get my 2004 issued PPL upgraded to an ICAO compliant one? Or does it happen automatically? Jenny ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
