Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection

2017-10-12 Thread Philip Loenneker 
Damian,

I think it's a way to prevent network loops. Imagine if a customer plugged a 
cable into 2x UNI-D ports that are from the same provider. The way they have 
done it means that even the provider who is has this done to their services is 
not negatively impacted. If they allowed it, it could negatively impact all 
providers going through the same equipment.

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From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Damian 
Ivereigh
Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2017 4:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection

Has anyone ever figured out why NBN will not allow direct L2 communication 
between 2 AVC's? The only reason I have just now thought of is they want to 
sell that as a different product (as in the below).

The worst thing about it that they don't just block it, they say they will 
shutdown the whole CVC. We have to do a fair amount of monkeying around to make 
sure everything goes via L3.

Damian

On 12/10/17 15:41, John Lindsay wrote:
> Didn’t they recently announce that they are going to announce them?
>
> Surely you can sit tight until 2018 or perhaps 2019, certainly by 2020?
>
> Cheers,
>
> John Lindsay
>
>> On 12 Oct 2017, at 2:56 pm, Nathan Brookfield 
>> <nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> S 2020 Still waiting for the business grade products due 
>> in 2016 
>>
>> Kindest Regards,
>> Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of 
>> Terry Sweetser
>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:18 PM
>> To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point 
>> connection
>>
>> NBNCo also have a point to point fibre product in development for enterprise 
>> grade networking ... due on market in 2018.
>>
>> http://about.me/terry.sweetser
>>
>> On 12/10/17 05:35, Joseph Goldman wrote:
>>> ISP's like Skymesh offer 100/100, 200/100 and 200/200 over NBN FTTP 
>>> by using bigger plans such as 500/200 and limiting them down to 
>>> speed, but I havent seen many else advertising the use of the larger 
>>> speed tiers, as for most it'd come under business connections and 
>>> would be quoted on a per-user basis.
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Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection

2017-10-11 Thread Damian Ivereigh 
Has anyone ever figured out why NBN will not allow direct L2 
communication between 2 AVC's? The only reason I have just now thought 
of is they want to sell that as a different product (as in the below).


The worst thing about it that they don't just block it, they say they 
will shutdown the whole CVC. We have to do a fair amount of monkeying 
around to make sure everything goes via L3.


Damian

On 12/10/17 15:41, John Lindsay wrote:

Didn’t they recently announce that they are going to announce them?

Surely you can sit tight until 2018 or perhaps 2019, certainly by 2020?

Cheers,

John Lindsay


On 12 Oct 2017, at 2:56 pm, Nathan Brookfield 
<nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> wrote:

S 2020 Still waiting for the business grade products due in 2016 

Kindest Regards,
Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)

-Original Message-
From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Terry 
Sweetser
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:18 PM
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection

NBNCo also have a point to point fibre product in development for enterprise 
grade networking ... due on market in 2018.

http://about.me/terry.sweetser

On 12/10/17 05:35, Joseph Goldman wrote:

ISP's like Skymesh offer 100/100, 200/100 and 200/200 over NBN FTTP by
using bigger plans such as 500/200 and limiting them down to speed,
but I havent seen many else advertising the use of the larger speed
tiers, as for most it'd come under business connections and would be
quoted on a per-user basis.

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Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection

2017-10-11 Thread John Lindsay 
Didn’t they recently announce that they are going to announce them?

Surely you can sit tight until 2018 or perhaps 2019, certainly by 2020?

Cheers,

John Lindsay

> On 12 Oct 2017, at 2:56 pm, Nathan Brookfield 
> <nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> wrote:
> 
> S 2020 Still waiting for the business grade products due in 2016 
> 
> Kindest Regards,
> Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Terry 
> Sweetser
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:18 PM
> To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection
> 
> NBNCo also have a point to point fibre product in development for enterprise 
> grade networking ... due on market in 2018.
> 
> http://about.me/terry.sweetser
> 
> On 12/10/17 05:35, Joseph Goldman wrote:
>> ISP's like Skymesh offer 100/100, 200/100 and 200/200 over NBN FTTP by 
>> using bigger plans such as 500/200 and limiting them down to speed, 
>> but I havent seen many else advertising the use of the larger speed 
>> tiers, as for most it'd come under business connections and would be 
>> quoted on a per-user basis.
> 
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Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection

2017-10-11 Thread Terry Sweetser 
NBNCo also have a point to point fibre product in development for
enterprise grade networking ... due on market in 2018.

http://about.me/terry.sweetser

On 12/10/17 05:35, Joseph Goldman wrote:
> ISP's like Skymesh offer 100/100, 200/100 and 200/200 over NBN FTTP by
> using bigger plans such as 500/200 and limiting them down to speed,
> but I havent seen many else advertising the use of the larger speed
> tiers, as for most it'd come under business connections and would be
> quoted on a per-user basis.

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Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection

2017-10-11 Thread Bradley Amm 
Wouldn’t a Telstra or Vocus/amcom fibre connection be cheaper and provide
more flexibility and a better SLA

Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Oct 2017, at 3:36 am, Joseph Goldman  wrote:

Yes, speed tiers extend up to 1000/400 I believe, on a single port (let
alone bonding say 2 cheaper 100/40's)

ISP's like Skymesh offer 100/100, 200/100 and 200/200 over NBN FTTP by
using bigger plans such as 500/200 and limiting them down to speed, but I
havent seen many else advertising the use of the larger speed tiers, as for
most it'd come under business connections and would be quoted on a per-user
basis.

On 11/10/17 21:06, Abraham Treadwell wrote:

I’m looking to understand if anyone is able to offer point-to-point
connections faster than 100mbps over the nbn. (fibre all the way to the
premises of course). Unfortunately i’m not up to speed on the current
changes with nbn speed tiers and what’s possible/ what’s not anymore.


In this case, both ends located in Sydney area, but, generally speaking, is
it even a ‘thing’ to have a link speed greater than 100mbps?


many tia!


abraham


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Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection

2017-10-11 Thread Phill Groom 
Launtel are selling 1000/400 in Tassie, POA.

https://launtel.net.au/gigastate-project-gigabit-nbn-tasmania/

On 12 October 2017 at 06:35, Joseph Goldman  wrote:

> Yes, speed tiers extend up to 1000/400 I believe, on a single port (let
> alone bonding say 2 cheaper 100/40's)
>
> ISP's like Skymesh offer 100/100, 200/100 and 200/200 over NBN FTTP by
> using bigger plans such as 500/200 and limiting them down to speed, but I
> havent seen many else advertising the use of the larger speed tiers, as for
> most it'd come under business connections and would be quoted on a per-user
> basis.
>
>
> On 11/10/17 21:06, Abraham Treadwell wrote:
>
>> I’m looking to understand if anyone is able to offer point-to-point
>> connections faster than 100mbps over the nbn. (fibre all the way to the
>> premises of course). Unfortunately i’m not up to speed on the current
>> changes with nbn speed tiers and what’s possible/ what’s not anymore.
>>
>> In this case, both ends located in Sydney area, but, generally speaking,
>> is it even a ‘thing’ to have a link speed greater than 100mbps?
>>
>> many tia!
>>
>> abraham
>>
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Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection

2017-10-11 Thread Joseph Goldman 
Yes, speed tiers extend up to 1000/400 I believe, on a single port (let 
alone bonding say 2 cheaper 100/40's)


ISP's like Skymesh offer 100/100, 200/100 and 200/200 over NBN FTTP by 
using bigger plans such as 500/200 and limiting them down to speed, but 
I havent seen many else advertising the use of the larger speed tiers, 
as for most it'd come under business connections and would be quoted on 
a per-user basis.


On 11/10/17 21:06, Abraham Treadwell wrote:

I’m looking to understand if anyone is able to offer point-to-point connections 
faster than 100mbps over the nbn. (fibre all the way to the premises of 
course). Unfortunately i’m not up to speed on the current changes with nbn 
speed tiers and what’s possible/ what’s not anymore.

In this case, both ends located in Sydney area, but, generally speaking, is it 
even a ‘thing’ to have a link speed greater than 100mbps?

many tia!

abraham

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[AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection

2017-10-11 Thread Abraham Treadwell 
I’m looking to understand if anyone is able to offer point-to-point connections 
faster than 100mbps over the nbn. (fibre all the way to the premises of 
course). Unfortunately i’m not up to speed on the current changes with nbn 
speed tiers and what’s possible/ what’s not anymore. 

In this case, both ends located in Sydney area, but, generally speaking, is it 
even a ‘thing’ to have a link speed greater than 100mbps?

many tia!

abraham

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