Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full
AAPT certainly were running SS7 over various SDH technologies when I was last working on their call centre platform a few years back. From: AusNOG on behalf of Mark Delany Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 15:20 To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full > Yes. With Telstra, it's an EXTRAORDINARLY big deal. You still have to > use specific hardware, and SS7 signaling over ISDN Oh. My bad. I was basing my assumptions on how I've seen voice delivered in the US. Even big ol' bad boy and recalcitrant Telco, AT provides SIP over a PNI. At my $DayJob we have a 10G PNI to them. Easily provisioned and managed as just-another-IP-network. I was also under the impression, tho I could be wrong, that voice interconnects in the US are increasingly over private IP networks with SIP. I assumed Australia was doing the same. You are clearly saying "not so". But ISDN? I still have nightmares over Telstra-variant LAPD state-machines from the dark ages. I thought all that stuff was archaeological by now. Next thing you'll be telling me is that Telstra still carry voice over an ATM transport or some archaic plesiochronous network. Mark. ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full
> Yes. With Telstra, it's an EXTRAORDINARLY big deal. You still have to > use specific hardware, and SS7 signaling over ISDN Oh. My bad. I was basing my assumptions on how I've seen voice delivered in the US. Even big ol' bad boy and recalcitrant Telco, AT provides SIP over a PNI. At my $DayJob we have a 10G PNI to them. Easily provisioned and managed as just-another-IP-network. I was also under the impression, tho I could be wrong, that voice interconnects in the US are increasingly over private IP networks with SIP. I assumed Australia was doing the same. You are clearly saying "not so". But ISDN? I still have nightmares over Telstra-variant LAPD state-machines from the dark ages. I thought all that stuff was archaeological by now. Next thing you'll be telling me is that Telstra still carry voice over an ATM transport or some archaic plesiochronous network. Mark. ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full
Hi Brad, Not too sure I agree with your sentiments; people still get call failures and congestion occurs during the NYE event. Additionally, calls during the NYE event are quite short in nature and therefore channels are constantly cycled through at a higher rate. This event is not remotely close and considering it is affecting Landline to Landline, Mobile to Landline etc. from various carriers, I don’t think it’s relevant who is providing the endpoints for the hotline(s) being called during this time. Myself with Telstra could only make calls to someone else on the Optus network (Mobile to Mobile), one in ~eight attempts. All others either immediately failed or advised that I was restricted. Once again, all carriers are experiencing this congestion, some more than others. Regards, Sean Agius Senior Engineer [cid:image003.jpg@01D60122.66240200] Suite 114, 189 South Center Road, Tullamarine 3043 Phone: +61 3 8592 8866 Email: sag...@pingco.com.au<mailto:sag...@pingco.com.au> Mobile: +61 431 236 571 Website: http://www.pingco.com.au<http://www.pingco.com.au/> This communication is intended only for use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that any transmission, distribution or replication of this message is strictly prohibited. The legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waivered, lost or destroyed by reason of a mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message in error, we would appreciate immediate notification by telephone or return email and ask that the message be permanently deleted from your system. From: Bradley Amm Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 2:39 PM To: Sean Agius Cc: Jay Dixon ; Mark Delany ; Subject: Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full We seem to manage on New Years Eve with no issues.. Who is providing the SIP endpoints for the hotline. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:35 AM Sean Agius mailto:sag...@pingco.com.au>> wrote: It’s not SIP channel issue unfortunately. Rob is on the money. I am led to believe that line orders are being provisioned with urgency to increase capacity, so definitely not a BW or SIP issue per-se. All congestion is stemming from the COVID-19 Hotline and affecting multiple Tier 1 providers nationally at present. Regards, Sean Agius Senior Engineer [cid:image002.jpg@01D60122.66118B70] Suite 114, 189 South Center Road, Tullamarine 3043 Phone: +61 3 8592 8866 Email: sag...@pingco.com.au<mailto:sag...@pingco.com.au> Mobile: +61 431 236 571 Website: http://www.pingco.com.au<http://www.pingco.com.au/> This communication is intended only for use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that any transmission, distribution or replication of this message is strictly prohibited. The legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waivered, lost or destroyed by reason of a mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message in error, we would appreciate immediate notification by telephone or return email and ask that the message be permanently deleted from your system. From: AusNOG mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Jay Dixon Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 2:30 PM To: Mark Delany mailto:g...@juliet.emu.st>> Cc: mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net>> mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full it sounds to me more like a finite number of SIP channels, rather than bandwidth. could quite easily be a licenced capacity on an SBC type deal On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 2:28 PM Mark Delany mailto:g...@juliet.emu.st>> wrote: On 23Mar20, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > If you've got customers complaining about not being able to make calls > from Telstra (landlines or mobiles) there's a good chance it's because > Telstra don't have enough interconnect channels to other carriers. > > It's a known issue, and people above my pay grade are caring about it. I don't doubt that you're right Rob, but help me out here. Surely voice traffic is such a tiny drop in the networking-traffic bucket that any sort of increase is still largely insignificant. Are you saying that voice interconnects are big, fat, pipes and that ramping them up is a big deal? If so, I'm a little surprised (as well as depressed about the lack of forethought). Mark. ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- Bradley Amm 0420 501 801 _
Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full
> > I don't doubt that you're right Rob, but help me out here. Surely > voice traffic is such a tiny drop in the networking-traffic bucket > that any sort of increase is still largely insignificant. > > Are you saying that voice interconnects are big, fat, pipes and that > ramping them up is a big deal? Yes. With Telstra, it's an EXTRAORDINARLY big deal. You still have to use specific hardware, and SS7 signaling over ISDN Note: This may be out of date, but I was previously told I *had* to use a Dialogic gateway, and buy a craptonne of ISDN from them.before the'd even think about it. I may be slandering them, and if I am incorrect, please accept my apologies, and BTW Hey, Telstra, I want 500 channels of interconnect over SIP please 8) --Rob ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full
We seem to manage on New Years Eve with no issues.. Who is providing the SIP endpoints for the hotline. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:35 AM Sean Agius wrote: > It’s not SIP channel issue unfortunately. Rob is on the money. > > > > I am led to believe that line orders are being provisioned with urgency to > increase capacity, so definitely not a BW or SIP issue per-se. > > > > All congestion is stemming from the COVID-19 Hotline and affecting > multiple Tier 1 providers nationally at present. > > > > > > *Regards,* > > > *Sean Agius *Senior Engineer > > > Suite 114, 189 South Center Road, Tullamarine 3043 > > *Phone:* > > +61 3 8592 8866 > > *Email:* > > *sag...@pingco.com.au * > > *Mobile:* > > +61 431 236 571 > > *Website:* > > *http://www.pingco.com.au <http://www.pingco.com.au/>* > > > > > This communication is intended only for use of the addressee and may > contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the > addressee, you are notified that any transmission, distribution or > replication of this message is strictly prohibited. The legal privilege and > confidentiality attached to this email is not waivered, lost or destroyed > by reason of a mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message > in error, we would appreciate immediate notification by telephone or return > email and ask that the message be permanently deleted from your system. > > *From:* AusNOG *On Behalf Of *Jay Dixon > *Sent:* Monday, 23 March 2020 2:30 PM > *To:* Mark Delany > *Cc:* > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full > > > > it sounds to me more like a finite number of SIP channels, rather than > bandwidth. > > > > could quite easily be a licenced capacity on an SBC type deal > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 2:28 PM Mark Delany wrote: > > On 23Mar20, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > > If you've got customers complaining about not being able to make calls > > from Telstra (landlines or mobiles) there's a good chance it's because > > Telstra don't have enough interconnect channels to other carriers. > > > > It's a known issue, and people above my pay grade are caring about it. > > I don't doubt that you're right Rob, but help me out here. Surely > voice traffic is such a tiny drop in the networking-traffic bucket > that any sort of increase is still largely insignificant. > > Are you saying that voice interconnects are big, fat, pipes and that > ramping them up is a big deal? > > If so, I'm a little surprised (as well as depressed about the lack of > forethought). > > > Mark. > ___ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > ___ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- Bradley Amm 0420 501 801 ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full
It’s not SIP channel issue unfortunately. Rob is on the money. I am led to believe that line orders are being provisioned with urgency to increase capacity, so definitely not a BW or SIP issue per-se. All congestion is stemming from the COVID-19 Hotline and affecting multiple Tier 1 providers nationally at present. Regards, Sean Agius Senior Engineer [cid:image002.jpg@01D60120.45EC65B0] Suite 114, 189 South Center Road, Tullamarine 3043 Phone: +61 3 8592 8866 Email: sag...@pingco.com.au<mailto:sag...@pingco.com.au> Mobile: +61 431 236 571 Website: http://www.pingco.com.au<http://www.pingco.com.au/> This communication is intended only for use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that any transmission, distribution or replication of this message is strictly prohibited. The legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waivered, lost or destroyed by reason of a mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message in error, we would appreciate immediate notification by telephone or return email and ask that the message be permanently deleted from your system. From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Jay Dixon Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 2:30 PM To: Mark Delany Cc: Subject: Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full it sounds to me more like a finite number of SIP channels, rather than bandwidth. could quite easily be a licenced capacity on an SBC type deal On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 2:28 PM Mark Delany mailto:g...@juliet.emu.st>> wrote: On 23Mar20, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > If you've got customers complaining about not being able to make calls > from Telstra (landlines or mobiles) there's a good chance it's because > Telstra don't have enough interconnect channels to other carriers. > > It's a known issue, and people above my pay grade are caring about it. I don't doubt that you're right Rob, but help me out here. Surely voice traffic is such a tiny drop in the networking-traffic bucket that any sort of increase is still largely insignificant. Are you saying that voice interconnects are big, fat, pipes and that ramping them up is a big deal? If so, I'm a little surprised (as well as depressed about the lack of forethought). Mark. ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full
it sounds to me more like a finite number of SIP channels, rather than bandwidth. could quite easily be a licenced capacity on an SBC type deal On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 2:28 PM Mark Delany wrote: > On 23Mar20, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > > If you've got customers complaining about not being able to make calls > > from Telstra (landlines or mobiles) there's a good chance it's because > > Telstra don't have enough interconnect channels to other carriers. > > > > It's a known issue, and people above my pay grade are caring about it. > > I don't doubt that you're right Rob, but help me out here. Surely > voice traffic is such a tiny drop in the networking-traffic bucket > that any sort of increase is still largely insignificant. > > Are you saying that voice interconnects are big, fat, pipes and that > ramping them up is a big deal? > > If so, I'm a little surprised (as well as depressed about the lack of > forethought). > > > Mark. > ___ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full
On 23Mar20, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > If you've got customers complaining about not being able to make calls > from Telstra (landlines or mobiles) there's a good chance it's because > Telstra don't have enough interconnect channels to other carriers. > > It's a known issue, and people above my pay grade are caring about it. I don't doubt that you're right Rob, but help me out here. Surely voice traffic is such a tiny drop in the networking-traffic bucket that any sort of increase is still largely insignificant. Are you saying that voice interconnects are big, fat, pipes and that ramping them up is a big deal? If so, I'm a little surprised (as well as depressed about the lack of forethought). Mark. ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
