Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Dims, Which vote you are talking about? I can't see any voting thread there. With Mettha, Eran Chinthaka Health is the greatest gift; contentment is the greatest wealth; trusting is the best relationship; nirvana is the highest joy. - Dhammapada On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right. Hopefully the PMC members will take a look at the VOTE happening on commons-dev@ when they get a minute off the axis-dev mailing list. -- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote: So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these projects? What say you? No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply. That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on some new people.It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately, that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not. Dan -- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Kulp wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote: Glen, Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom? Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with Axis 2? Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as Web Services components with a shared committer-base working on them. Thanks, --Glen -- Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dankulp.com/blog -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Eran, You are falling behind :) Yes, please see latest TLP proposal on wiki. Yes, Axiom is not moving. -- dims On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Eran Chinthaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Kulp wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote: Glen, Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom? Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with Axis 2? This is not a good argument, at least for me. We are using lots of components, like mail implementation from Geronimo project. But are they on Geronimo commons? Aren't we accessing them, even when they are within Geronimo? Is it a must to have them separate? So whats the problem of moving Axiom, Neethi also in to Axis2 project. As one said, a change in Axiom might most probably affect Axis2 as well. There are two more reasons I have *for* moving Axiom also in to Axis2 project *if* Axis2 becomes a TLP. 1. Axiom has a SOAP implementation which was done because of Axis2. If one needs to leave Axiom inside WS, during this movement, then some one please move the SOAP part out of Axiom. If the argument is Axiom is a pure XML object model so that others can use it, then please move out the SOAP part from Axiom. Please note that I'm not saying anything bad about Axiom having a SOAP implementation. We did it because we targeted Axiom for Axis2. 2. In another thread, it was suggested to make POLOKA a sub-project of Axis2, because i) it *will* have Axis2 compatible eventing implementation ii) and (may be) it is Web service based implementation. (please correct me if I'm wrong) If the argument for leaving some projects within WS project, and taking with Axis2 is about Axis2 dependencies, then why should we move Poloka (when it is graduated) in to Axis2. Its just another project, which has a *plugin* (as I think) to work with Axis2. if this is the case, then I will argue that Synapse also should come under Axis2. Abdera should come in to Axiom. I am seriously missing something somewhere. Thanks, Chinthaka -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eran, You are falling behind :) Yes, please see latest TLP proposal on wiki. Yes, Axiom is not moving. thanks Dims :). My point is Axiom *should* move, if we are moving. Thanks, Chinthaka
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
VOTE for Benson as a committer. thanks, dims On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Eran Chinthaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dims, Which vote you are talking about? I can't see any voting thread there. With Mettha, Eran Chinthaka Health is the greatest gift; contentment is the greatest wealth; trusting is the best relationship; nirvana is the highest joy. - Dhammapada On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right. Hopefully the PMC members will take a look at the VOTE happening on commons-dev@ when they get a minute off the axis-dev mailing list. -- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote: So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these projects? What say you? No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply. That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on some new people.It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately, that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not. Dan -- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Kulp wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote: Glen, Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom? Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with Axis 2? Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as Web Services components with a shared committer-base working on them. Thanks, --Glen -- Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dankulp.com/blog -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Kulp wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote: Glen, Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom? Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with Axis 2? This is not a good argument, at least for me. We are using lots of components, like mail implementation from Geronimo project. But are they on Geronimo commons? Aren't we accessing them, even when they are within Geronimo? Is it a must to have them separate? So whats the problem of moving Axiom, Neethi also in to Axis2 project. As one said, a change in Axiom might most probably affect Axis2 as well. There are two more reasons I have *for* moving Axiom also in to Axis2 project *if* Axis2 becomes a TLP. 1. Axiom has a SOAP implementation which was done because of Axis2. If one needs to leave Axiom inside WS, during this movement, then some one please move the SOAP part out of Axiom. If the argument is Axiom is a pure XML object model so that others can use it, then please move out the SOAP part from Axiom. Please note that I'm not saying anything bad about Axiom having a SOAP implementation. We did it because we targeted Axiom for Axis2. 2. In another thread, it was suggested to make POLOKA a sub-project of Axis2, because i) it *will* have Axis2 compatible eventing implementation ii) and (may be) it is Web service based implementation. (please correct me if I'm wrong) If the argument for leaving some projects within WS project, and taking with Axis2 is about Axis2 dependencies, then why should we move Poloka (when it is graduated) in to Axis2. Its just another project, which has a *plugin* (as I think) to work with Axis2. if this is the case, then I will argue that Synapse also should come under Axis2. Abdera should come in to Axiom. I am seriously missing something somewhere. Thanks, Chinthaka
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
ok. i agree now. thanks, dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote: Glen, Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom? Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with Axis 2? Reasons why: - Very few people are working on these 3 projects - Any changes to these 3 projects needs almost immediate changes in Axis2 As well as CXF, ServiceMix, etc...Maybe they should go into CXF or ServiceMix instead? (that was just to make a point, not a serious question) - We have almost always synced up the releases of these 3 projects lock step with Axis2 releases. - IMHO, they can't survive as a TLP right at this moment. No, but keeping them in ws commons makes sense since they are used by projects other than Axis2. -- Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dankulp.com/blog -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Daniel Kulp wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote: Glen, Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom? Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with Axis 2? Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as Web Services components with a shared committer-base working on them. Thanks, --Glen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these projects? What say you? -- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Kulp wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote: Glen, Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom? Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with Axis 2? Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as Web Services components with a shared committer-base working on them. Thanks, --Glen -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every Synapse/CXF (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no. But I do think the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot lower (pretty much if they ask - but I do think there should be a formal separation). What do you think? --Glen Davanum Srinivas wrote: So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these projects? What say you? -- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Kulp wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote: Glen, Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom? Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with Axis 2? Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as Web Services components with a shared committer-base working on them. Thanks, --Glen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
hDaniel Kulp wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote: So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these projects? What say you? No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply. That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on some new people.It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately, that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not. +1 to both points. Dan, what's your suggestion? What do you think is the right answer? Glen, why do you think Axiom as a TLP is not a good idea? Sanjiva. -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/ Founder, Chairman CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/ Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: Glen, why do you think Axiom as a TLP is not a good idea? Not big enough project, not enough of a community around just that, fits very tightly with Neethi/XmlSchema, etc... I think you can go too far with factoring, and for me this trips that sensor. --Glen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Right. Hopefully the PMC members will take a look at the VOTE happening on commons-dev@ when they get a minute off the axis-dev mailing list. -- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote: So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these projects? What say you? No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply. That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on some new people.It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately, that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not. Dan -- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Kulp wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote: Glen, Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom? Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with Axis 2? Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as Web Services components with a shared committer-base working on them. Thanks, --Glen -- Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dankulp.com/blog -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
As simple as Just send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will get it... +100 thanks, dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Glen Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every Synapse/CXF (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no. But I do think the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot lower (pretty much if they ask - but I do think there should be a formal separation). What do you think? --Glen Davanum Srinivas wrote: So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these projects? What say you? -- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Kulp wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote: Glen, Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom? Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with Axis 2? Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as Web Services components with a shared committer-base working on them. Thanks, --Glen -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Glen Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every Synapse/CXF (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no. But I do think +1 the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot lower (pretty much if they ask - but I do think there should be a formal separation). Yeah ... if someone really needs to do a lot of work on these we can handle those appropriately at that point right? Otherwise anyway our usual way of getting changes in still works! Thanks, Ruchith What do you think? --Glen Davanum Srinivas wrote: So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these projects? What say you? -- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Kulp wrote: On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote: Glen, Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom? Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with Axis 2? Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as Web Services components with a shared committer-base working on them. Thanks, --Glen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://blog.ruchith.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
